@@Sloimer I don’t think so, but I’ve never heard any of their other subs and I don’t know your space requirements. But I also wouldn’t look at it as regret if you want more bass, it would just be the first step in a good multi-sub setup. 3 or 4 subs is much better than 1 big one. Have fun!
@@mwrightinsurance thanks buddy - yeah I’m not super worried about tons and tons of bass. I just want good tactile chest impact. And even then it doesn’t have to bring the whole house down. Thanks for the response.
Well said, and sound quality has a great deal to do with proper implementation. I’ve not heard the Rythmik F25HP, but I would guess it sounds more similar to other brands sealed subs than ported, particularly with the servo tech.
@@healthynutster Thank you. I’m assuming meant my FV(vented)15hp. And yes, I believe it has the ability to exhibit the desired characteristics of sealed and/or vented enclosures with the servo and the tuning options that it has. My only gripe is the port noise, but that’s pretty tricky to combat when you achieve great sound quality above 20 Hz and high SPL down to 10 Hz.
This year I picked up two sealed Rythmik E15s replacing my SVSs and absolutely no regrets - impressed on how well they blend with my other speakers - like you said the quality of the bass is great for music and movies - no fancy app but that’s the anthem processor’s job - love these Rythmik subs
Welcome to the World of sealed subs. I can't tell you how many times salespeople try and talk me into a ported sub and I'm like not today, not today dear sir.
@@agentemah5670 lol, I bought mine 10 years ago and it's still going strong. I have 4 Definitive Technology Supercube subwoofers: Home Theater room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-X3700H receiver Family Room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-S760H receiver
Smaller in cabinet volume BUT dual 15" vs one 13.5". The rythmik has tons more cone surface area. Also sealed subs benefit from room gain more than ported, especially in smaller to medium sized sealed rooms. They'll dig wayyyyyyyy deeper because of that :) I wouldn't be surprised if you getting near 100db around 8-10hz.
Now your talking,by far one of your best video i paid 5999 each for my seal sub...all the subs i have own were ported..my subs i have tune down to 10hz....love them worth the money...glad you finally saw the light....i have 4 18inch inche dual opposing. Thats 2 sub 4300watts each....great job
@@pokerbarloahavia i the psa S3612 2 of them seal ..each sub has 2 18inch ipal woofers dual opposing. Dangerous little creatures....they go down to 7hz but i tune them to 10 with the mini dsp 2x4 hd....
In theory the dual 15" Rythmik is the equivalent of the SVS PB16-Ultra in terms of output so it's definitely an apple to apple comparison. My preference has always been for flatter more transient bass and I'm a happy camper that Rythmik decided to introduce the dual opposed design. Although for my space two of the dual 12" Rythmik (G22) is more practical.
Rythmiks ported 15” is like their sealed 15” in medium damping mode, per Rythmik. I didn’t get their ported because of size and port chuffing, which I understand all ports do at some point. Sealing a ported sub makes is slightly tighter, but not like a sealed sub, because of the size of the box, per Rythmik.
I stayed ported but I'm pushing Rythmik now, FV15HPs and FV18s and I think it's the servo technology used in Rythmik. Plus the plethora of settings on the Rythmik amps. I also owned PB-4000s before!
I’ve got a pair of Emotiva Airmotiv S8 subs. Don’t judge, I have a smol condo and neighbors attached on both sides. They’re downward firing with a front facing passive radiator. I’m quite happy with them. An improvement over my ported Pioneer Andrew Jones subs. Blind listening tests, and I think most people would be surprised they’re *only* 8” subs.
I have this problem right now! I can't listen to them to compare, since Arendal and SVS are not being sold in my country. And I can order blindly only. So, I'm choosing between SVS PB-2000/Arendal 1961 1v vs SVS SB-3000/Arendal 1723 1s right now. I'm leaning towards Arendal. But can't choose between almost same priced ported 1961 1v or sealed 1723 1s🥺
YES!!! Love my dual REL HT1205's, tight and very low frequentie respons ! Never go back to ported subs, i listen 50/50 music/movie, sealed subs have so more tight sound quality 👌
@@jglaserbot hate to break it to you my friend but you're only halfway there... ever since I got another rel ti series high performance subwoofer I can now tweak each individual stereo speaker to my hearts content and not only that the integration is a whole lot smoother/easier by having two of them. There's not many reasons why I love the red dragon on my flag but surely this is got to be one of them! 😁
I would like for you to touch on the tactile response and the Room Pressurization obviously you have a smaller Room than most home theatres so I hope people understand that for most people at least in a large Room they would need more sealed subwoofers for tactile response and Room pressurisation then if they had a Ported subwoofer at least that has been my experience
Nice video. I already run the sealed system with Klipsch & SVS. Love the sealed, but have appreciation for my SVS System. I think proper calibration is the only way to getting excellent performance from the subwoofers.
Nice intro. 🤣 I just got my dual SVS PB-1000 Pros and they also shipped me the port plugs. I’ll be testing them with and without the port plugs this weekend with movie 🍿 and with music. Nice to have that option. 👍🏼🔊✌🏼
Well, you have to take into account that this subwoofer has about a almost 2000W RMS power and dual opposed 15" driver. Smaller drivers won't be able to do what this can do. Yes, they will sound tight, but in the end "there is no replacement for displacement"
Sealed subs actually dig deeper than ported. Sealed drop at -12db/octave, ported drop at -18-24db/octave. Super low bass = sealed. Mid to low bass = ported.
I have two of their FV18 ported paper cones variants, despite being ported they are so quick and accurate given their servo system I’m constantly blown away, how they can have such great output, and still stop on a dime. Brian over at Rythmik really is a wizard.
Just wondering, although you have deeper extension in the lower frequency range, did you drop a bit of tactile response moving away from ported? General consensus seems to be higher particle output on ported gives that extra TR
I just ordered dual pb2000 Pro's yesterday.... Lol there's no way I'll ever be satisfied with my setup with so many different options and "experiences" out there like you said. I did want to try out the sb3000 pro's for space reasons and for the way sealed subs sound with music but i thought I'd be able to make these subs fit in my space and DID want to finally experience the deep bass everyone's been talking about. Needless to say, I'm excited about the purchase and hope it's not too overpowering for the room.
@@demonreturns4336 I've commented on some of his newer videos about them. I suppose my expectations were too high for these subs. They were cleaner than my two cheapo subs and dug deeper but I wasn't feeling what everyone described. Even got a minidsp and umik1 to calibrate them more finely. I probably should've returned them but the window passed me as I kept trying to mess with them and make them sound as best I could. Now, I've moved recently and I'm about to set them up in the new place. I'm hoping that maybe it was just the room I was in before that affected the performance. Just to clarify, they're not bad by any means. I just expected to experience things people described. For example, in an action film being able to feel bullets ring out into your chest almost as if you're the one being hit. I got these from their outlet sale and got a little more off for going dual. Even for the reduced price I don't think it was truly worth it for me. I should probably also remember that this is only tier 2 of the SVS sub line up so maybe the higher ones have more to offer... Anyway, in the next few weeks, hopefully I'll remember to let you know how they sound in the new location. My advice for you so far is to go out and find a place to test different subs. Who knows, you might find one better suited for you around the same price or cheaper.
@@thelonestranger777 thank you for that detailed account of your experience with them I appreciate it and it helps because I was considering getting the pb 2000 pros myself
@@Kpaceguy got it. G22 is what I was looking at for music thinking a 12 would be faster than your 15. But I’m very curious to see what your review will look like. Very excited to see what you think!
As long as it's been designed for a sealed enclosure like velodynes dd series with their push pull voice coiles and servo can move heaps of air without a port
It's funny you asked that! I'm looking at the SVS SB16 and almost bought it yesterday but I Love the PB sound and now I'm torn between the SB16 or the PB-4000. I presently own the SVS PB12-NSD & the SB13 Ultra subwoofer. To me the NSD sounds better than my SB13 even though the SB has a more powerful Amp. Now "YOU" throw the Rythmic into the mix and now I'm totally confused as to what I want!! Good Videos!! The Old Man
I recommend stepping down a model and getting 2 if you can. 2 will be better especially in a large room. If you can get 2 g25hp it's night and day difference
Just wanted to know if you have used the rule of bringing rear subs out 6 to 12" away from the walls? How difficult is the dual woofer sub to place for the right sound? Still thinking about the sealed subs .
I've never heard of that rule. The dual sub seems to be the same difficulties with sound as a Ported sub. The challenge for me is having 1 sub in general. It's been hard with one sub
Hey Kyle, I have a couple questions hopefully you can answer. My receiver has volume levels below and above 0. I can either choose to have the volume displayed in negative decibels, or positive numbers. If I use positive numbers, is "reference" level considered the highest volume level? The same would be for negative decibels, is "refrence" level 0? Another question, while watching movies, is it common, or even safe to watch movies at reference level? Thanks for your help!
It's safe to watch movies at reference so long as your speakers and ears cam handle it. Set your receiver to negative and turn it up to 0db "reference". Then switch it and to positive. That number is your reference level
Interesting. I just bought a PB2000 several months ago and I was debating between that and the SB2000 and even the PB2000 Pro. I really like it and will go dual eventually, but I’m considering going with a PB2000 Pro for my secondary. Was I better off with 2 SB2000’s? I know not to mix sealed with ported. I normally use my home theater for gaming, TV, movies and a little music. I always thought sealed were more musical and ported were more impactful. What added to my confusion is why do ported almost always cost more than sealed? Maybe I’ll try a sealed one day just to experience it.
Cost more than sealed because it costs more to make. Your paying for a bigger sub with louder output and typically lower extension than its equivalent counterpart
@@Kpaceguy I see. Thanks. I assumed since it cost more, it was automatically better. Seems like sealed different and can even better in certain situations. Keep it up.
Hummm what sealed subs to get🤔 the struggle is real my friend!! Rel and Rythmik intrigued me the most Kef's are pretty cool too But I gotta try out dual sb-3000. I might just have to get them all and send back whichever ones I like the least.
@@Kpaceguy Starting from scratch in my vacation house great room for HT+Music. I'm having a tough time pulling the trigger on everything. Decisions Decisions
Yo we’ve all done that at some point when playing a game or enjoying the HT 😆 Tell my girl I just got stung by a scorpion and have to get a leech to suck out the poison so I can’t see her for 3 weeks 😌
Great sub, congrats! But it's not really a fair comparison to your previous PB-4000. The Rythmik G25hp has dual 15's with 1800 watts and a MSRP of $2450. The SVS PB-4000 has a single 13.5" with 1200 watts and a MSRP of $1899.99.
Congrats on thinking outside the box and not staying with mainstream perception. Next look into a properly tuned aperiodic enclosure which is still sealed basically, However there is a restive membrane that can be tuned to eliminate the impedance curve that is inherent to sealed enclosures. I run a couple 12" Morel Ultimo's in my car with a couple membranes and I've hit down to 12hz with them.
Placement is a MAJOR part of it. My RSL speedwoofer destroys my sealed 18” in the same location (not corner loaded). Due to room layout ported wins in my domain. Not always the case though!
Don't waste your time figuring where to place 1 subwoofer, just get 2 subs (place one by the screen and the other behind your seat) and you'll get 3 db louder and better sound.
@@mrpmj00 Seating is up against wall, and the sub in the corner on the seating side that has a closed wall/corner... sounds most blended and as if it is not there. So 1 works well, but 2 would be better, if need be. I hear no need.
@@mrpmj00 Sadly I have no space behind the couch. I am running one ported (monolith 16) and two sealed 12’s up front. Sounds weird but it works well. However, I am now bored of the setup and ordered dual G25HP’s. The monolith is incredible, but it is ugly as sin and messing with my decor vibe.
I think a lot of it also has to do with which sound you prefer, one not necessarily being better than the other. I went from a pb 1000 to a sub 2000. Let’s just say I wasn’t a fan of the sb for movies. Music was great but I felt the sb was lacking that impact I got from the pb, even though I went up a level. Needless to say, I ended up getting a pb 2000, and now I have a pb 3000. I just prefer how ported subs sound for movies. I love my pb 3000 for music too, but I’m sure a good sealed sub would sound better.
How much power did your sealed sub have? I'm thinking maybe your sealed was underpowered. I have 4 Definitive Technology Supercube subwoofers: Home Theater room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC4000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-X3700H receiver Family Room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC4000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-S760H receiver
I have 4 Definitive Technology Supercube subwoofers: Home Theater room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-X3700H receiver Family Room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-S760H receiver
It'll never go anywhere. A part of my channel. It happens once every like 3 months. If you can't have fun with what you're doing Why are you doing it. Thanks for watching
lol, maybe the sealed subs that youl istened to had underpowered amps or not enough speakers. I have 4 Definitive Technology Supercube subwoofers, each comes with 1 speaker+2 bas radiators: Home Theater room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-X3700H receiver Family Room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-S760H receiver
Depends on the room in my opinion, any sealed sub is going to sound anemic in a large room (20x20feet or larger) for movies when compared to an equally priced ported one. However in smaller closed off rooms I would definitely be more open to either design.
lol, maybe the sealed subs that youl istened to had underpowered amps or not enough speakers. I have 4 Definitive Technology Supercube subwoofers, each comes with 1 speaker+2 bas radiators: Home Theater room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-X3700H receiver Family Room opens to the kitchen: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-S760H receiver
@@mrpmj00 the passive radiator subwoofer is equal to a ported subwoofer assuming you have 2x the surface area of the main woofer. Passive radiator subs are always more expensive than ported due to the fact that passive radiators are more expensive than plastic tubes and a bit extra wood to account for the loss air volume of the port taken up. Good ported subs will have low enough port velocity to not get chuffing. Personally I have 2x HSU vtf2-mk5 ported subs with 1300w peak with a 12" woofer. They came with port plugs but they just don't have the same kind of feel with them plugged up compared to the 1 port tune that gets me decent output down to 15/16hz. However the main reason I say sealed subs in a large room will sound anemic (in comparison to ported) is due to room gain which is extra output that is added based on the largest dimensions of your room. Pretty much all sealed subs will start to roll off at a certain frequencies and the hope is that the room gain starts where your subwoofer rolls off. Whereas ported (or passive radiator) naturally have the output and don't rely on room gain to make it work.
As far as subwoofers are concerned there is REL and there is RYTHMIK and if one has got good ears then one will be able to forgive me for getting everyone else. 😁
lol, I bought mine 10 years ago and it's still going strong. Maybe the sealed sub that you l istened to had underpowered amp or not enough speakers. I have 4 Definitive Technology Supercube subwoofers, each comes with 1 speaker+2 bass radiators: Home Theater room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-X3700H receiver Family Room: Supercube SC6000 (by the screen) has 1500 watts and 3 speakers, Supercube SC2000 (behind my seats) has 650 watts and 3 speakers, driven by Denon AVR-S760H receiver
