Agreed, absolute waste of the premise. We should have seen 20 different universes in detail, met alternative actors in as iconic characters (a universe with anthropological entities nominatively arranged, like Howard the duck, Rocket, cosmo, maybe wolverine playing Wolverine complete with yellow spandex) or just gender swaps or robots or Lego.
whilst i agree, this served the story better. plus ya know marvel ahs a plan, and that plan is we're gonna hold you back on some of your creative decisions because of continuity stuff.
@Yeehaw yea so why you care if it isn't the same mordo, literally makes no sense. that's why i was so baffled that i thought you were just referencing that he's not the same as the comics, but instead you talking about sth irrelevant like it's not the mordo from the og dr strange, like he probably gonna come up later, he's not important to this story .
I found it so hilarious how John Krazinski has been getting hounded by MCU fans for years now to play Mr. Fantastic, and he kept saying he had no interest in doing it. So when he FINALLY gave in, they killed him after like not even 5 minutes of screen time. I literally burst out laughing in the theater.
From a comic book fan on RU-vid, it's a norm to kill off characters from alternate universes, due to them actually getting the chance to kill characters off and there's no way they'd be able to make stories out of them.
Exactly, my thoughts as soon as this was posted. I was sure this movie wouldn't be talked about for at least a few more weeks by them...but then again Raimi
My major gripe with the multiverse is that it makes everything disposable. "Here's a brand new version of something, or some fan service - now watch us kill it off almost instantly with no over arching consequences"
That's a big concern of mine, too, but they started on this path with Infinity War. The MCU's strength was having long-term consequences, an advantage over comic books. Now it's just like comic books, disposable continuities to be endlessly rehashed until people stop caring.
I've never liked multiverse or time travel stories tbh. Just the idea that anything that can be accomplished can be effortlessly undone is not very satisfying in a plot.
@@sickofit1574 It's awful. What's the point when there's take backsies on everything, they just bring back whoever the audience likes. So freaking lame and cowardly. 3 Spidermans... ughh... boooooooo....
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Informative... seems like total and utter BS to go from evidenced factoid that there WERE easter eggs in Rocky Horror, and then go to a whole different context of video games where one thing one time was CALLED "an easter egg hunt", like that's the first thing in history where that ever happened. OBVIOUSLY Rocky Horror was also CALLED an easter egg hunt if there WERE easter eggs. Sounds like some obtuse wikimedia "citation needed" standard being used, where an obvious fact isn't admitted because you couldn't name a guy who said the obviously true thing. Slightly parallels how Marvel used to have compelling, if bland, conflicted villains, that you could tell are evil because you understand their ethics, but now with Wanda she's just "influenced" by a corruptive force. Just listen and believe the reliable sources, mang, no need for a show and tell or thinking for yourself.
Not to me. He may have a daft opinion on what makes a show but he's still a sweet old man and I hate that this is probably the last image we'll ever see of him as Professor X.
I like how Jay is happy about Raimi using his usual editor one moment and then complains about the pacing and cross-cutting in the final act a few minutes later
@@blank-vj1mc they may have been pre-viz years ago (which is basically just digital storyboarding), the final product is usually only completed at the last minute and there's no telling how much it resembles initial pre-viz
One can appreciate a director's loyalty to a coworker/friend, or an editor's general body of work, while still finding room to reasonably critique a new film they worked on.
I love the part where Doctor Strange started traveling from one universe to another to acquire dozens of NFT’s and then selling them in different universes so he could raise more money for the set of the next Avengers film.
There’s a multiverse version of Jay and Rich where they’re unironically doing the Nerd Crew And another one where they’re the actors in Star Trek Picard having to work with Alex Kurtzmann
There's a Universe where RLM is the Definitive Source of All Information on Earth. They're ruled by Supreme Leader Plinkett. It's the universe where everyone's worse at everything than Deadpool. Buncha functional idiots...
Now I gotta fact-check you. They literally showed the text of the 'Mac Tonight' on screen 17 seconds later while Mike says "The Night". Jay fact-checked himself already.
Their super hero reviews are always their worst content. These movies are just soulless and not interesting but they know this crap gets the clicks. So they just blandly sit there and review with zero enthusiasm lol.
@@LumpyAdamsdon’t necessarily agree, they can be pretty funny ripping into the worse ones and also if they were only doing superhero movie reviews for the clicks wouldn’t they have reviewed The Batman by now?
Who can after 9 yrs without anything at the cinema from the man? Hell I haven't watched a Marvel movie since the original Avengers movie but I have IMAX tickets to this cause it's Sam Raimi's visual aptitude on a gigantic screen. Even through the prism of a very corporate IP that has to be worth a watch.
@@jmnyc212 it is worth it. As a Raimi fan, the parts that were clearly his doing were incredible and made the movie worth it. Ultimately the movie wasnt good, but there we so many glimmers in there that I had fun.
The fun creative aspects from Raimi carried the movie a ton. Elizabeth also did a fantastic job with her slasher villain character. She stole the show for me. What the most grating aspect of the movie was marvels input. All the non stop exposition that was required, just so they fit into the larger puzzle.
Yeah anytime Raimi was just getting to do his thing and do wacky horror bullshit the enjoyment of the movie would spike significantly. And she definitely seemed to have fun playing those horror scenes.
Proving Mike wrong on the Easter eggs was the best edit in a RU-vid video ever. The factual captions, the slow wrong symbol on to mikes face and a lil fade at the end so beautiful.
Mike had a previous instance like this before and had a similar edit, so aside from it being beautiful it also had its start from a previous episode. It's starting to become a running gag
Watching a RLM video where they review a superhero movie fills me with warmth and comfort, because it reminds me of a time when my life wasn’t in shambles.
The biggest problem I have with this movie is that there are no rules at all about what the protagonist and antagonist are capable of. Whenever a rule is established it’s promptly broken. There is no tension at all because either of them can just do some random unimaginable shit to pull themselves out of any situation whatsoever. Then, the one time, the only time in the whole movie where it seemed like something had consequences, when the book was destroyed, a new book is revealed 10 seconds later
@@dereksbooks he probably means the shots, the cinematography, visuals, raimi-ness, and brutal deaths and all Otherwise, the story is still the same old "save the world from an evil monster" bs
Completely agree. It feels like there is a much better movie here rather than something that felt rushed especially after seeing the recent superior multiverse film. I also think they are completely right that they needed to show Wanda descent in the film and exploring the multiverse as Wanda/Strange try to train America (hate that name). It would have been better if it was a Scarlet Witch from another universe, but then Wanda turns into the Scarlet Witch in order to protect her family across the multiverse.
I imagine a bunch of Disney/Marvel executives being like "Aw man, audiences are gonna lose it over our multiverse movie, there's gonna be nothing else like it this year" and then EEAAO came out and everyone loved it and all those execs were just like ".....Fuck."
Mike has resorted to watching MCU movies because Star Trek is dead to him. Now Jay is making the Star Trek references because someone has to carry that torch.
I'm curious about his reaction to ST Strange New Worlds, but I know in my heart he will despise it because of course he will. I doubt they will review it, but maybe they will for the masochistic thrill
Imagine the universe where Jay says "I can't believe Sam Raimi based this movie on the famous TNG episode...", and Mike starts to have a seizure because he just wants to go home watch Twin Peaks again...
The Strange vs Strange musical fight was the highlight of the movie for me. He basically did a class change from a mage to a bard. Am surprised no one mentioned the score during that fight, it was pretty creative with moments of silence and orchestral crescendos.
Anytime I see Mike and Rich make a mistake, I have faith Jay will highlight their error with the utmost pettiness. He did not disappoint when he edited this video. Bravo.
There are several videos where editor Mike does it to himself, like the baseball bat in Halloween Kills. He knows not to let pride get in the way of a good joke.
Darkman also had that piratey sound to his voice as well as the exposed teeth to the jaw. I honestly couldn't tell if Zombie Strange was more an homage to Darkman or Deadite Ash from Army of Darkness.
No Way Home's spider dudes being really interested in the fact that Spider-Man went to space and fought Thanos was amazing I thought. No matter how self referencing.
Well, now I'm not sure if I should see the movie. I've only been on the Disney World Mansion ride. I'm not sure how much the subtle differences will translate into a jarring film experience.
Throw in some terrible puns. "What's the measure of _this_ man? Is it a deep nine in your space? What do mean I'm attempting an incursion into your neutral zone? I'm just trying to put this borg implant in you then fill you with reverse-engineered nanoprobes to blast your wormhole all the way back to the delta quadrant."
@@vituperation Where no man has gone before, the naked time, Friday's child, is there in truth no beauty when I use my turnabout intruder on your undiscovered country?
I was hoping that half way through this review there'd be a "universe swap" where Mike and Jay were in different outfits and were reviewing Everything Everywhere All At Once.
@@gsesquire3441 don't blame Garfield for that. That movie was released around the time being emo was in. But he did a good job of being the smart Peter
Despite having seen this movie only a few months ago, I've forgotten 80% of it. Although I haven't seen the original Doctor Strange for a few years, I still remember 80% of it. The Marvel movies are simply an assembly line of cookie cutter product now and have been for years.
I can't believe they haven't watched Everything, Everywhere, All at Once. I would've loved to hear them compare the two very different multiverse films.
The music note battle was an interesting idea, but probably executed too on the nose. A musician and a concept artist I think could hash out some really interesting ideas if they thought about the sound and shape of the notes more.
My working theory is that the exchange of notes, and the duel in general, was inspired by the campiness from the wizard duel from The Raven, which is an old Vincent Price movie, which is the person after whom Dr. Strange's appearance was inspired in the comics. I think a lot of the campier elements from this whole movie were a Vincent Price tribute.
The fact the score barely reflects was real wasted potential. Personally, they didn't commit to the camp enough. They should've been launching full symphonies at each other and have their interpretations of the notes merging to make something really chaotic and interesting
If Mike hadn't pompously added "look it up, bitch!" after his Easter egg 'factoid' he wouldn't have been proven wrong. Twice the pride, double the fall.
What makes it even more funny to me is the fact they watched Ready Player One which has the origin of Easter eggs as part of the climax. Classic Mike though nonetheless
I haven’t even seen the movie yet. I just wanted to see their take on it. Even when I see them flip-flop on stuff, I’m still always entertained by them
@@ninjaboy191 Yeah I don't get it, the stuff that they were complaining about was what I loved because it wasn't the overused usual marvel stuff, and they want more of the overused boring stuff back, what?! I am so done with the quips, the cameos, the usual plot of hero vs bad guy. I wish there was even more horror, this is supposed to be dark and bizarre. At least we can both agree on Rachel McAdams' character being pointless and with no chemistry, I wish she wasn't included at all. I like Dr Strange best as a teacher/father figure to someone like Spiderman or America. The romantic plot is really boring and we've seen it a thousand times already.
Doctor Strange was into music since the beginning of the first movie. While performing a surgery, the other doctors were testing Strange's musical knowledge.
I really enjoyed the musical notes fight. I always wanted the magic people to use their environment in their finger waggling & it’s always just orange beams & circles. The notes were great.
@@melonhead2477 that was the best part. they actually tried to explore a theme in the effects instead of just throwing a "music notes" skin on their standard magic missile spell. the reactive music was very fitting and the conclusion of the sequence actually followed very loose principles of acoustics. to me it was honestly the best scene in the movie.
I really enjoyed this as a low stakes, much more violent take on a Marvel film with some really fun sequences. The first section was really underwhelming, but see Raimi going full Evil Dead at the end was a really fun Twist! Also I feel like originally, the Villain was going to be Wanda from another Dimension who'd never gotten a chance at redemption, but maybe that plot got chopped for time?
@@NEWFIExGAMING yeah and we're never going to interact with those aspects again, even with the sequel bait. That alternate universe was for exposition and fanservice
@@fenrirlives2226 While I enjoyed the movie. I do feel like the point of this film was just set up the multiverse/incursions/Avengers Secret Wars film. You get that Sam Rami vibe and feel but it lacks like his full creative vision over the project (mostly in relation to the plot and events). The visuals are fantastic, especially with the camera work and presentation of weird magic stuff. Just wished they added 10-20 minutes, it could add to the pacing and character development
She never got redeemed anyway. She enslaved and entire town to the point that they wished they were dead and then got off Scott free. She's more villainous than Thanos 🤣
For years now I've been trying to articulate my thoughts about fantasy adventure movies and here's what I have so far. To make an effective fantasy story, there needs to be more of the mundane than of magic, mystery, and might. Less is more. But the MCU has for the most part become one cgi fest after another. The charm of Iron Man and the very first Spider-man was the real set pieces, the vulnerability of the characters, and the fact that they had JOBS. They ate food, drove cars, worried about money, watched the news, interacted with regular people, etc. I think the slow and novel emergence of a transcendent being and their antithesis rival in an otherwise mundane world is the most fascinating story of all, while going past that will always be less astonishing. I mean FFS, this movie kicks off with Strange casually battling a giant tentacle monster in a city street while Christine is practically rolling her eyes at it instead of having any kind of normal reaction like I dunno screaming in insane terror. Mordo said it best... "there's too many sorcerers". All the Thors, Captains, Animalmen, and cookie cutter rogues they face don't do it for me anymore. These all feel like Pixar movies to me now, formulaic and forgettable :( I hate being old. HOWEVER THERE IS HOPE. I watched The Batman and it was so refreshing! If you told me (arguably) the best Batman movie ever would star the Twilight guy and John Turturro and Colin Farrel as fucking Penguin, I never would have believed you.
I think you encapsulated my thoughts on this exactly. I was just thinking about the first Marvel movies. Iron Man was fairly grounded. People don't probably remember, but it was refreshing because other superhero movies at the time were a bit over the top. Hell even the first Thor has him lose his power for a majority of the film, in an effort to gradually introduce the concept of an alien race of "gods". Marvel has completely ditched the concept of keeping the conflicts toned down, to heighten the stakes for the character's personal lives. It was more enjoyable, IMO.
I like how the first 10 minutes were mostly about how they thought the last 2 Spiderman movies were ok/enjoyable, and then the next five minutes were Evil Dead/Army of Darkness references. . .and then they never said whether they would recommend watching the movie or not lol Jay started to say he would recommend it if you got to see it for free or like on Disney+ and then Mike asked if he could please leave now XD
Wanda wiping out the Illuminati and the Temple were the two biggest kick ass action scenes that made Zombie Strange final battle feel anticlimactic. Felt like WandaVision: The Movie Introducing America Chavez and... also staring dr strange.
And that is what Disney/Marvel have been doing for years now with their male characters. Tear down the male character making him dumb and/or evil and building up a female character. Kevin Feige said a few years ago going forward they would focus only on female characters. Just wait for Thor Love and Thunder to do the same thing to Thor.
@@thepsychomagus They ruined Wanda, though. Raimi is awful at handling female characters and clearly had no interest in Wanda as a character. She's a comedy cartoon character here. If Raimi is directing a movie, don't have any women characters in the movie. He should stick to what he is goof at, male character movies.
I feel like you have to talk about "Everything, Everywhere, All At Once" now since Mike's wish list for the multiverse stuff in Dr. Strange would be fulfilled above and beyond what he wanted.
Yesss! The wild creativity in that film makes Doctor Strange look like a big commercial, corporate joke. Let alone how they somehow managed to shove in a beautifully emotional story on top of all the insanity
@@whiteganserwere the marvel comics use of the multiverse ever as wacky and chaotic as everything everywhere all at once? You wanted Wolverine to rock up with dildos coming out of his hands instead of blades and try to shove butt plugs up his arse?
Jay got worried for Mike after the last re:View and is trying to rekindle the fire, like when Jay caught Rich by surprise by saying he had a Star Trek reference to make.
I think this story was nearly great for Wanda, but like Mike said it needed just a few moments more to show that Wanda did not overcome her grief and need for family. An after credits scene should not be the foundation of a character's motivation and corruption in a separate film. I also think Wanda's morality could have been preserved if it was revealed another Scarlet Witch was using or cooperating with the Wanda we know. It would explicitly show there are multiple versions of her willing to tear the multiverse apart and that would be the character motivation for Wanda destroying not only her own darkhold but every darkhold in the multiverse.
Ooh that would've been good! If there was a darker Wanda talking with our Wanda throughout some of this like you say, leading to her darkhold destruction decision at the end. As it stands though, this movie I think is legitimately the worst MCU movie and might actually be worse than some of those terrible DC movies as well. To take a well established and written character, suddenly turn her into a one note murderous rampaging villain and give us no exploration of how that happened beyond telling us a couple times that "uh, this book is bad" is beyond stupid. The only part of me that felt like the plot was acceptableish was the part of me that had seen Agents of Shield, a non-canon tv show a decade old that actually showed the corrupting influence of the Darkhold in marginally acceptable detail. I can't imagine what the creators of WandaVision must've thought seeing this film. Absolutely terrible lol. Just from a story perspective mind you, the directing was good for the most part I felt (though the gore of the illuminati deaths was definitely too much for me personally lol, but I appreciate others are into that kind of thing).
WandaVision sets Wanda on the path to self-discovery learning about Chthon and chaos magic, this movie destroys all of that potential and progress. Wanda became their most popular female character because of WandaVision. MoM was Marvel shooting their own limbs off.
I liked the part when he turned to face the camera and said "Please watch the new hit film Morbius in theatres now," before masturbating into the camera for twelve minutes.
Jay, remember that in the first Dr. Strange movie an intern quizzes him on the years songs were released. And nails every single one of them. So he knows about music. Hence the musical notes battle.
I enjoyed the movie! But I am sort of peeved that it was sold to me through ‘No Way Home’ as sort of a Strange-focused sequel to the events of that movie, where Strange has to account for almost breaking the multi/uni/verse with his magic. Then they just sort of hand-waved that whole thing away in the first conversation about the multiverse.
I liked the fact that Dr. Strange is trying to fight against the fact that the rest of his selfs are evil, but I think that needed to be fleshed out more as his motivation.
Can’t believe Jay didn’t think differently of the movie, as a Raimi fan I was laughing through most of the third act!!! Doctor Strange Zombie Man literally winked at the audience 😉🤣 and they didn’t mention the lovely cameo from Bruce Campbell either….
Ya I'm surprised he didn't mention it either since Raimi loves to have his Bruce Campbell cameos in his movies. The cameo was quite funny in this one too.
Yeah the fact that the zombie character with souls for a cloak turned out to not be a bad guy, but rather the protagonist possessing an alternate self's dead body was a pretty neat subversion of expectation. And it's Sam Raimi, of course he recognizes how goofy the effect looks, he's banking on you laughing at the close ups and the zombie speaking normally while not having lips. Campbell cameo was great of course. I dunno if it's a spoiler really but the "end" of his cameo was excellent. Also another Raimi easter egg was a floating '73 Oldsmobile in the destroyed universe.
How does Mike not realize that Wanda’s motivation is the dark hold showed her Mikes least favourite episode of TNG Parallels where there are infinite versions of Worf?
