Hi Michael, I purchased a 14060M earlier this month after much research and consideration of other models. I'm happy with my decision and never really a fan of the cyclops. The 2 liner has the simple dial I like. Best of luck with your evaluation. Regards, John
Yes, the 14060/M has the identical proportions (dial to bezel) as the classic 5513 and 1680 models whereas the 16610 has a narrower bezel frame, what you noticed as "more aggressive nurling" on the 14060. yes, it's amazing how many people overlook that. I made both of them more comfortable by swapping the thicker Sub caseback with a flatter GMT caseback (you can see that in my Rolex mods video).
I prefer hollow end links. Not sure if this is true for Subs, but on Explorers the lug holes were brought inwards when they moved to SELs. This makes straps much more difficult to use on SEL models, since the sharp edge of the case will damage thicker straps. It's crazy how much of a difference these small changes can make.
So good. Been having the same issue and eventually settled on the 16610 year 2000 with lug holes. Just love it. My ceramic no date 41mm is in the safe, and always feel clunky in comparison. Love the pre ceramic 100%. My advice, keep both.
You can justify a dive watch with a helium escape valve having a date complication, like the Seamaster, Sea-Dweller, Planet Ocean, or Deepsea. Those are saturation diving watches, so keeping track of the date is useful. The only other reason for a date complication is if you're not wearing it for diving.
When I graduated uni I was given a watch with a date function. Two months later I missed a training course and almost lost my job because of the date window. Ever since then watches have been for time, calendars have been for dates and scheduling. Love your channel, go with the 14060m and wear it until you die. Don’t let Rolex take any more of your time or money… pardon the pun.
No date watches are so much easier to live with. You never have to worry about the date being wrong because you just came from a 30 day month, and the time can be set without having to worry about when the date turns over. A date watch has a 24 hour movement and a date that needs to be set 5 times a year. A no date watch has a 12 hour movement. Also, generally, they are more symmetrical.
Truly entertaining. Thank you for sharing the journey. FWIW - I bought my first no date ceramic sub back in 2018 in part because of your rave review and it's still my favourite watch! 🤣
Love the channel Michael, easiest solution is to keep them both. I have the same date & no date subs and I’ve though of selling one or the other from time to time, but when it comes down to it I can’t. They each feel and wear different and I really enjoy rotating both. If you can afford to keep them both do it, I know I would regret selling either one of them and would end up buying it back later and would probably end up paying a higher price. Good luck on what you decide 👍🏽
In real life, I find the sub date to be less formal, but that’s not a bad thing. Recently I saw a man in a black suit sporting the date model pre-ceramic, and it brought his outfit down a notch. It wasn’t formal enough, it looked cliche. The sub no date would not have this problem. The sub date is a watch you throw on for the SUV ride to the office-a good thing in its own right.
I’ve had both the 14060m and the 16610, and I agree the no date wears better but the watch I have now trumps them both, the 16600 sd4k, but I really agree 5 digits are Rolex’s prime era.
I totally get your love for the pre-ceramic stuff. These watches are way more elegant. But for me it's the other way round. I always preferred the pre ceramic sub for years, but now i own a 11 series ceramic sub. It's just a tiny bit more exciting for me. I prefer the date sub over the no date, but i hate the cyclops. In the near future i will mod my sub with a crystal from a no date sub. Best of both worlds for me. Maybe i will even put AR coating on the new crystal, gives the sub a whole different vibe.
I will soon have the best of both worlds as well: 14060M - Two line - Flat four. No cyclops, aluminum bezel, 3130 movement, COSC certified (even if doesn't say so on the dial) 116600: Date complication, no cyclops, ceramic bezel, 1220m depth rating, 3135 movement, COSC certified.
Interesting quest you're on here Michael. I love your descriptions of the 14060 it really gives us the feelings of the watch truly. Did the 2 liner never cross your mind? I think I prefer the busy-ness of the 4 but not seen in person side by side.
You've said it yourself with the possible solution - 16610 with hollow endlinks. Then it is a 'fairer' comparison to the 14060. And no, you are not going down the rabbit hole with this move, cos you've already at the end of that hole. There's no going deeper. Take the extra step so you have no regrets which way you go.
Asking for hollow end links is like asking Mercedes to remove power-steering from the new S-class. On that point, I’ll have to disagree with you. As for the date or no date, I’m definitely in the no-date group. The symmetry is unmatched, not to mention that it’s true to the original. It’s in it’s pure form.
@@SteelmoonWatches I've been going back and forth between the 16600 and the 116600 lately, but then I remember that the 116600 has those solid end and center links, and that glidelock clasp. The 16600 is more elegant than the 116600, but if you want elegance, the 14060(m) is the way to go.
Michael, even though I offered to buy the no date off you, seeing your are a true enthusiast I recommend you keep it. You will regret if you ever sell the 14060M and I'll refuse to sell it back to you. :)
My advice would be to keep the 14060M and the SD4000. I think we all go though phases and return to some almost periodically. These 2 Rolexes would make the combo for life. Just keep these and be done with it.
Question regarding bezel action of pre-ceramic Subs, are they prone to become hard to turn? A coworker has one relatively fresh from a service an the bezel needs quite a bit of force in order to turn.
I came across one at the pre-owned department of a local Rolex AD that had a bezel that was hard to turn. They sent it back to the service center to get fixed. The bezel should turn easily.
The heart is still saying ND. But I do really like the date- that’s prob my head speaking then. In theory I was sure the sub date would replace my no date - but its all come undone.
@Michael Steelmoon Do you really have to decide which one? can you not keep both? I remember when you sold your first hulk, you never bonded quite the same with the second. That has happened to me 3× I have promised myself never again. 1st with a Sub 2001 date 2nd with a Sub 2012 and 3rd a Gmt pepsi 1997. Once you sell the original, you never get the feeling back. I can only equate this to ppl seeking their first adrenaline rush they will forever be chasing that same feeling (high) for a lack of a better word. Good luck with your trial period, loll.
Thanks mate. I could keep both but I feel it would be a waste of budget to have two watches that are so similar. I’d rather add a pre ceramic gmt in place of one
@@SteelmoonWatches Hi Michael, I totally get your conundrum and a five digit GMT was what I was going to suggest. Keep the 14060 for days off when you want the purist experience. Then use a 16710 for work when you need more functionality; black bezel insert has the monochrome Sub look but the watch is different enough from your 14060 to justify owning. You can also get the Pepsi and Coke bezel inserts to really mix things up. A 40mm black dial Explorer II would be another good date option different to your 14060, and you might find it can also handle more formal situations thanks to the all steel bezel. Thanks for the content, it's nice to know I'm not the only one who agonises over such things!
Go for the date if it would actually help you to know the date. It's just the more practical choice--especially if you plan to wear that watch consistently. But from a beauty, aesthetics and timelessness perspective, the 14060 wins. Also consider they'll never make a 14060 again and as the years pass, they may be harder and harder to find in good condition or at a good price.
You really need to keep both watches... If you sell either, you will miss it, I fear... And what about the Bluesy? I am getting warm for one... but I wonder if I would get tired of it after a few months... Any thoughts?
