When I was a kid diesel trucks were a great value; good power, most were reliable, diesel fuel was really cheap, and the trucks lasted forever. A lot of those factors have changed now, so I'm kind of surprised by this trend. It's getting pretty expensive to buy/maintain a diesel truck.
Yea I agree but still a great value if you get a base model diesel from any brand, they go for a decent price but no bells and whistles. The 6.7 PS, 6.7 Cummins and the 6.6 Durmax have been good and last a while. There also more comfortable and can pull a hell ton more.
I'm not surprised one bit. It's called fuel economy regulation. And don't think we're solving problems with these reuglations. In the real world, the bottom line isn't MPG, but to government regulators around the world, it is. With that, manufacturers must employ all different kinds of tricks to game regulators. The priority isn't always satisfying the market, they sometimes have do things just because government forces them to. Without government interference, the market would determine what engines we'd see under our hoods of our vehicles.
I'm definitely looking forward to the Ike gauntlet shootout with these trucks. I love how you guys do the empirical breakdowns like this and follow it up with the road testing. Keep it up!
Nissan has a better deal, better price, better warranty but too many sheep will go with the others just because smh. And for all the haters who will comment negatively, it’s made in the USA and no truck is without issues. My 19 ram hasn’t stopped having issues since I bout it. And I’ve owned many Ford F-150 and gmcs and rams. But that’s just my opinion everyone has one.
The mpg is terrible on titan. A major benefit of buying the half ton is getting 30 mpg around town. If I wanted 15 mpg and a stiff ride with better numbers why not buy a heavy duty truck? Ofc that is where Nissan fills that niche. Best and worst of both worlds
Love my Titan XD. Towed 8,000+ lbs travel trailer this weekend with 30+ mph winds and I didn't get thrown around at all. Relaxing trip to the campground. I drove and love the Ram 1500 - it is a beautiful truck but for towing and the warranty (100,000 bumper to bumper!) I'm very happy with my Titan and Cummins engine. Also it's cool to talk to people who are surprised to see Cummins in Nissan.
I own a 2016 Nissan Titan XD crew cab 4X4 Platinum Reserve with the Cummins 5.0 Diesel and I am completely satisfied and constantly impressed and surprised by this truck. It has been a wonderful truck and very reliable bar a few problems up front ie. transmission reprogramming (which just made it shift better) and a small air leak in one of the door seals which all was taken care of by my dealer and no problems since. I have towed a 27 foot Jayco camper fully loaded with four people in the truck and it was like there was no trailer behind me. I have even pulled the camper during one of our Texas heavy rain and wind storms which never phased it, The truck just effortlessly pulls and tracks confidently for a half ton or heavy half ton whatever you want to call it; I am impressed with it. I also believe that the XD's combination of the Cummins 5.0 V8, Aisin 6 speed transmission and Nissan heavy duty frame from their NV 3500 in the Titan XD is completely under rated and under tuned from Nissan. It just seems like it moves and pulls effortlessly with no drama or white knuckle experiences. If you test drive a Titan XD you will see what I mean it does not drive like a half ton pickup it drives more like a 3/4 ton pickup truck. In the end, people can laugh all they want at this truck but even after being out two years sooner than any of these other new half ton trucks coming out; the Titan XD is more powerful and more capable with no white knuckle experiences trying to achieve its spec'd limits. That's my experience anyways and I get the last laugh since I spent a lot less money on my Titan XD diesel and got it two years sooner with a much better warranty and powertrain to boot then any of these new diesel half ton trucks coming out.
Exactly!! I love my 16 xd platinum reserve. Towed our food trailer with a half ton and with the xd and there is no comparison when it comes to stability!
You know it. Too bad other people dont gove the XD a chance they might be pleasantly surprised and save quite a bit of money compared to the big three.
I've been thinking about the Titan XD Cummins for a long time. There is a local dealer here in San Antonio that offers lifetime powertrain warranties on all their new cars and trucks. The idea of a cummins/aisin truck that fits the whole family and has a lifetime powertrain warranty is extremely attractive. Is there any way that you guys could explore the idea of companies out there that do tuning for them that doesn't void warranty, and maybe also just for the entertainment value maybe those that go all out on tuning the Titan XD?
The Titan XD, especially the lower end trim models (S and SV) equipped with the Cummins are actually a great value. I think Nissan got screwed by Renault in reference to the Titan. The Titan was mis-marketed and under refined when it hit the market a few years ago.
I think it should be in the comparison! Along with tfls feal would fuel economy numbers then it's right there in black and white what are you getting and what you have to give up to get it!
It should, it has same type of axles, non-floating, has slightly more payload and towing capacity, but what sets the xd apart is how much better it handles the weight. Nissan really could have marketed this better because it's a great truck for those who tow heavier weight regularly and want better stability and handle the weight better like a 3/4 ton but dont want the harsh ride of a 3/4 ton. It's actually a great compromise. I own one and love it. I've towed with half tons and the xd, and there is a pretty significant difference in how it handles the weight vs a half ton. Feels alot more stable and isnt affected as much as a half ton is towing 8,000+ lbs, and that's what really sets it apart, and for the price it's great.
I worked in the Cummins plant getting it ready to gear up to build the 5.0 engine. It sat nearly empty for years because Dodge wouldn't commit and they only put it in generators and a few delivery trucks.
If I was buying the diesel for towing, then this is an easy choice; the Titan XD. Then throw in the price and warranty and it’s an even easier choice. It just needs a little better MPG though.
Guys...f***ing love your channel and look forward to all upcoming reviews in this segment...exiting times indeed for the 1/2 ton American truck market. Yes, prices are crazy, maintenance cost through the roof, DPF/DEF/EGR/SCR systems suck (but I do like the environmental benefits:). Diesel fuel lacks lubricity, we're pouring all kinds of additives in our tanks, running Amsoil, adding filtration systems to get the soot down to 5 microns, options are Range Rover like (crazy right), but WE LOVE IT. I can't imagine getting into my new Superduty and starting it up with a key😁
Southern Nevada offroading and back country word on the street thag the streets in Mexico are pretty bumpy and theres stories of of the emissions stuff falling off in mexico
Mine is stock but apparently deleting turns it into another animal. BUT, you run the risk of screwing with your warranty. If you live in a state like NY, class 2B trucks aren’t emissions tested. Maintenance is more than gas though you’re right. Every 10k miles I change the oil, filter, both diesel filters. Costs about $175 or so if done yourself. Easy to do. But if you don’t need the diesel grunt, the gasser is kickass as well.
Southern Nevada offroading and back country when you say emissions crap are you referring to DEF? I have 2 diesels both rams and I spend less than $20 a year per rig on DEF. Expensive-ass oil changes and fuel filter changes is what sucks.
A friend of mine bought a dave smith Nissan xd, s model, crew cab 4x4 last fall for $34k out the door price. It's a beast too! Ok, their is no soft touch materials, but who gives a rip!
Just a year ago, everyone was still laughing at the Nissan XD. Now it seems like it just might be the best truck out of the bunch. Not just for value, but for overall towing confidence when you have that heavier trailer on there.
I'm still laughing at it. It'll never pull what my F-550 or Ram 5500 will. Until Nissan does a bigger better truck they can stick every truck they make right back up their slant eyed asses
They seem to be good trucks, however they wont ever get the mileage of a 1500 and that's why ram passed on the 5.0 Cummins. Great engine I'm sure, just can't get the mileage they want or need to stay competitive
@@hemiaddiction yeah, that was the only reason that I didnt buy one a few years ago when they first came out. I wonder next year when the updated version comes out if they will tune it a bit better to get that mileage up. It is actually a perfect truck for me. I need somewhat of a daily driver, and the only thing I tow any more is a larger travel trailer that is pushing the limit (tail waging the dog) of a half ton truck.
Robert Richardson obviously you aren’t the intended audience for the Titan XD. The point was to bridge the gap between a ~450 lb ft gas 1/2 ton and a relatively humongous 3/4 ton. Even today it’s the best option torque wise in the 1/2 ton market since it seems the big 3 are going to limit the output on their diesel 1/2 tons.
GM should've put the 3.0L in the 1500 and the Colorado/ Canyon. Put different tunes on them. But seems like a lot of money to develop two engines that are only 0.2L different in displacement.
@@anthonywebber2211 they are still spending the money to purchase the engine. Just stuffing it in wouldn't have been thought on it. It would have been thought of in the design process.
@@mainwayne1352 List of VM Motori engines From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigationJump to search This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it. Italian manufacturer VM Motori S.p.A. has designed and built several different diesel engines for many third-party applications. Fiat is the actual owner, and sells projects to automotive manufacturers like GM, Jeep, and other companies. VM Motori offers different range of engines depending on the applications: automotive, industrial, marine, and power generation. Applications: 2010-2012 Jeep Cherokee power: 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp); torque: Manual transmission: 410 N⋅m (302 lb⋅ft) automatic transmission: 460 N⋅m (339 lb⋅ft) 2010-present Jeep Wrangler power: 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp); torque: Manual transmission: 410 N⋅m (302 lb⋅ft) automatic transmission: 460 N⋅m (339 lb⋅ft) 2011-2013 Chrysler Grand Voyager/Lancia Voyager power: 163 PS (120 kW; 161 hp); torque: 360 N⋅m (266 lb⋅ft) 2013-present Chrysler Grand Voyager/Lancia Voyager power: 178 PS (131 kW; 176 hp); torque: 360 N⋅m (266 lb⋅ft) 2013 Isuzu, Isuzu DMax, Holden Colorado, Holden Colorado 7 power 180 PS (132 kW; 178 hp); 470 N⋅m (347 lb⋅ft) (Updated November 2013) 2014-present Isuzu, Isuzu DMax, General Motors, Holden Colorado, Colorado & Holden Colorado & Nova S10(Brazil) power: 200 PS (147 kW; 197 hp) Torque: 500 N⋅m (369 lb⋅ft)
At Anthony Weber. I checked out Wikipedia it does say 2.8 L diesel is a VM Motori Engine. Then I checked out GM engines on Wikipedia. 2.8 L four-cylinder diesel 2012 to present. After that I checked GM powertrain. Click Products. And then click 2.8 L LWN shows that it is built in Thailand. GM used to own 25% of VM Motori. Maybe they both have the right to build this engine.
Glad you produced this video. I’m in the market this fall or early winter (Christmas gift from my wife) for a new truck. Am looking forward to a real world comparison of mileage, pay load and trailer towing ability which must include all of the camera angles. Seat comfort is important due to how much driving I do but that is pretty subjective and hard to evaluate. Here in New Mexico we have some serious hills so I would like to see real world hill climbing and descending. Bring on the ROAD TESTS!!!
I'm seriously considering the Ram Rebel, however the Eco diesel in the past was NOT one of their best moments to be polite!! This also comes from a friend that is a SERVICE MANAGER for a RAM dealership. So that being said, I really hope this NEW ECO DIESEL PERFORMS OUTSTANDING!!! I JUST MIGHT trade in my beloved JKU RUBICON! The Chevy would probably be a runner up!! Loved your comparison between the half ton gas powered trucks, that dag gone GMC Sierra really caught my eye, and I'm a RAM TRUCK fan!!!! Thank you for your time and dedication to informing us!!! Outstanding Job!
If i didn't allready have a 2016 ram cummins i would definitely would buy the nissan titan. A Cummins with a Toyota made transmission with that low of a price is pretty legit.
Ray Richmond If you haven’t driven the titan diesel I recommend trying it because you might be disappointed in its performance. I really wanted to like it, but it just feels kinda like a turd unless you tramp it lol
I have heard the same about the Nissan. I wish they would have put a smaller I6 instead of the V8. I also hear that the nissan likes to break a lot. Dont know how true that is.
How about a video regarding true total cost per mile including scheduled maintenance, diesel fuel costs, etc. compared to gas versions. For example, I noticed at my Ford dealer, the posted price for a diesel F150 oil change was $80 more than a synthetic oil change for a gas engine.
I know it's been a year now since this video so incase I'm browsing the used market or the 2021 model whats the one to get? My buddy has a hemi rebel dodge but I'd rather skip his 16 highway 8 when towing and go for the ecodiesel but I like the gmc lifted models as well. Have the family mini van but looking at flipping the Honda commuter for a camping trailer hauler instead.
Titan xd's they are pretty sweet. But higher up the trim and cab size that payload number is laughable. 1570 ish, for a platinum reserve xd?!! I almost bought one until i was told through rv dealers id have to sign a waver knowing im illegal. They look great and if they'd ever bump up the axle weight, i bet they'd be a big player in the hd wars!! But as far as 1/2 ton size i think they are far best seats and comfort!!
Nissan is a 2500 with light axles. You should compare gvwr. Like my 16 ram by the vin # says it can tow 10,200 but gvwr is like 14,300. The truck weighs more than 3,900 lbs so it can't really tow 10,200. It's really closer to 9,400 lbs. When you subtract the weight of the truck from actual gvwr. All trucks are like this. I'm just curious. Mine feels great at 14k gross so I'm sure the numbers are on the safe side. 8speed, 3.92 rear, etc. In sure the 1k difference in weight rating on the Ford and dodge aren't noticeable, the gm probably is if your load isn't quite distributed right. One thing you didn't mention, ram will put that motor in any trim level from base tradesman up like the Nissan, but for some reason Ford and gm won't. I think that's nuts but whatever.
Lots of information but you missed even more important details vehicle weight trim level for pricing and truck bed size. I am sure you thought about more details but left it out but that is why I watch your channel!
Rides a heck of alot better than an f250. Sure it doesnt have as much power but it has enough for what its rated to do, and an ecu tune can easily fix that.
Smart not trying to make Fiat angry with you over explaining the Cummins engine debacle. I think the Nissan never got its day because it is Nissan. They are plagued with that cvt problem, but they has a much better transmission in the truck that is not made by their cvt provider. Would like to see you guy but all four of those trucks to a test and see which is best.
Ross Bowman they had a titan long term tester and roman hated it. Gave it a very poor review so its not likely nissan will be back to these guys any time soon.
GM is the one I wanna see, the other ones are out or in the ram is just an update. Also, I thought the 10 speed was the same in ford and GM, interesting to hear they are saying they are different. I hope you cover it when you test the new GM
You guys talk about how much weight the diesel can pour on the trucks, which one has the best brakes? All that weight that can be towed is great, but you need to be able to stop. I think stopping is sometimes more important, then how much weight you can tow. Please let me know which truck has the best stopping power. Thank you for all your videos.
Never owned a truck. But my dad and grandfather’s always had fords. Looking forward to the the RAM diesel just for the comfort and the air ride suspension won’t be towing all the time mainly looking for mpg. Hoping to test drive all three by early next year. Before making my decision.
@@maverick5785 Eventually the air ride system is going to start to break down and need replacement parts which is going to be costly. Imagine driving down the road and an air bag pops. You're going to need a tow. Make sure to drive both. If you aren't going to have the truck out of warranty then it's fine, but eventually the air ride is going to go out and cost $2k to fix. I think the diesel can be a really good option but all the emissions crap on them reduces engine life and reliability. The diesel is a lot of money upfront and there have been a lot of quality issues and reliability issues on this engine specifically. Just google the problems people have been having. Getting 30mpg is awesome but a v8 will get you 24 on the highway and be less expensive upfront and in the long run. Just stuff to think about. Get whatever makes you happy
Collin thank you I appreciate the info I will do my homework hopefully by January I will be test driving both of them and consider the costs of those two features. Thanks for taking the time.
@@maverick5785 I just bought a 2019 rebel so I was doing the same research as you. I really wanted the air ride and diesel...but the ride with the steel springs is awesome. The diesel will get much better gas mileage...but it wasn't available yet. I took a gamble on the etorque and I'm crossing my fingers it stays reliable. Good luck on your truck. The new Rams are awesome
If you do excessive milage the half ton diesel is worth it. If your a low mileage driver it will be hard to offset the cost of maintenance. I just got rid of my ecodiesl and went back to gas due to the cost of oil and fuel filter changes, cost of diesel and def.
I'd like to see a real world comparison on how these trucks do everyday . Towing, hauling, acceleration and fuel mileage. Also wondering how long they will hold up.
Maybe you ought to look at the reliability of the Fords before making such bold statements They have been out for a while now while the others are not yet so hold your blanket verdict. In like for like 2018 spec the Ford betters the GM on towing and fuel efficiency. GM has been outsold by Ford in this segment and has more reliability issues so your theory is blown out of the water. Cummins is good but not modern technology they are more suited in Fire engines.. Lol.
I have been waiting for this comparison for the longest time. I want to see two different towing comparison. One with a trailer with all cameras available to that truck. The second is towing up a hill. I’m in the market for a new truck this fall and want to see compatriots.
With MPG being such a large buying factor, when you get the trucks, can you tabulate your real-world unloaded MPG with them? Ford is still investigating their MPG rating method, so a real-world example would definitely be good
The ram vs chevy is what im interested in. Think ram is going to take the cake foe best fuel economy and perfirmance. They have been out the longest and probably have learned a few things on the journey. Of corse thats just what i think, although an in line 6 should be able to hold its own.
My money would be in Nissan or GM if I had to go small diesel, I'd still go Toyota for gas. Ford sharing that motor with land rover questions reliability. Same with ram being it's an Italian diesel. Nissan at least has Cummins name behind it
I had a 2014 Tundra TRD Off-road. It stranded me 4 times and I had 2 transmissions fail. It only had about 51,000 miles when I dumped it for a GMC Canyon Denali Duramax. I loved it but gave it to a family member that needed it more. He just got a job where he has to commute and still needs a truck. I now have an F150 XLT 5.0 FX4 SuperCrew again! My last 2011 F150 was perfect for about 70,000 miles. Yayyyy
I don’t know anything about the integrity of the Nissan chassis and suspension, but if I would be towing 10K or taking 7K across the country, I’m much more secure doing that with Cummins/Aisin than less proven names. AND my wife and I are thinking about doing a long-term RV so this makes me think about what I’d be more secure going out with pulling a 6K+ TT!!
Looking forward to the gauntlet, but regardless I love the chev, That's my pick. Love my 2018 with 5.3L so the 3.0 L Duramax should do all I want and more.
When I was a kid, diesels were super reliable and the fuel was cheap. These days, they're not nearly as reliable due to all of the emissions stuff they stick on them and the price of fuel is higher than gas. 20 years ago, it would have been awesome to have a diesel 1/2 ton, but these days, I'm not so sure from a cost perspective.
With experience with the previous ecodiesel from the previous bodystyle the ecodiesel was easily able to exceed what is listed currently for ford, also I know someone that has the 3 litre powerstoke and it easily exceeds, as a 4wd, the 2wd fuel economy numbers. One thing folks have to realize the titan is what used to be classified as a heavy half. The ford, chev/gmc, and dodge are regular half-tons. The Cummins diesel is a working diesel, while the 3-litres would be classed as a heavy commuter (heavier than a Jetta or Land Rover diesel but lighter than a working diesel).
I’d like to see all of the MPG numbers compared when released and then have you apply the real world numbers (your testing numbers, mpg loop, mpg towing loop & Ike numbers ) next to them in the same format program.
Todd Ullmann I agree inline has always been the best diesel config, why do you think every semi in North America, built in the last 35 or so years, is an in-line 6
Sorry but I would get a titan xd over the other 3 brethrens. Much more heavier truck and you feel the stability towing because of it. Isnt that why we all buy 2500 and 3500 trucks?
I'm a bit concerned with the Dmax having its timing chains, etc on the back of the engine...looks like it will require pulling the motor out to replace them. Also, I trust Ram fixed the slipping timing gear issue(?).
It’s too big because the PW winch doesn’t leave room for the inter cooler. Btw, Pro4X Cummins out tows and out hauls a PW with similar off-road features
I thought that GM just recently put out a press release that stated the 3.0L diesel was being delayed until next year. That’s why they were giving everyone their money back who had gone ahead and placed an advanced order with the deposit. I thought it said the new on sale date was June 2020? Anyone else here anything on this?
Too bad you can't include Kelsey's Ram diesel from TFL Truck. Her review on that truck was great, and with the mild tune she's beating all of these numbers for power and mileage. :D
Glad to see more manufactures finally doing what I said they should do with the eco diesels in half ton trucks for years. Long as we can keep the EPA from restricting diesels more and more. I always here people say diesels are not worth it cause they cost more to maintain. Yes and no. If a diesel is built right I have noticed the cost is about the same except the diesel will last longer then a gas engine (again if built right along with the transmission) Your biggest cost difference will be fuel. Note on the up keep. If you can do most the work your self and know how to shop around the cost will be pretty cheap as anything else.
Depends where you live as well. I'm in British Columbia Canada. And diesel is cheaper almost everywhere you go per liter. And with the better mileage it's an easy answer for me. But yes it has to be reliable. When diesels fail its pricey. But that's what warranty is for. And once warranty is done just tune and delete the truck and it will get even better mileage and power. And reliability
The $38k price for the Titan XD is skewed because it is for the 2-door base model, whereas the prices for the Ford F150 and the Chevy/GMC are for 4-door cabs in a higher trim level. I feel certain that the Titan XD's price will increase significantly if it was quoted on the same option/trim level as the others.
I wanna see the new Chevy 1500 3.0 duramax vs the titan xd diesel in the mpg loop and up the Ike. If the new duramax really gets between 32 & 44 mpg like the earlier video stated then I'm sold.
I find it surprising with the numbers ie hp, torque that the Chev is less capable than the others as far as towing is concerned... I would think the numbers would be more comparable... mpg's will no doubt be similar. hope it lives up to the hype.
Maybe it’s something j2807 dunno but I doubt in reality that it’s any less capable than the other two. I transport TTs to 9k with a tuned ED 268 HP 465 TQ. With 8 speed 3.92 It’s enough torque to accelerate it dead stop to 55 but I would like a lil more HP on Interstate grades. The GM with enough TQ & gearing to move the load might be best here with more HP.
The Nissan is a great truck that was poorly marketed. Had mine since 10/23/16. Truck is rock solid and dam comfortable. Still most folks don't even know what it is and no its the way of the Dodo bird. Pro4x model 14_16 in town combined 17_18 highway 20-22
