Hawkeye 1x03: Echoes - Reaction 

I love that she does it unprompted

Her reactions to the conversation also show her learning what Clint is giving up to help her.

And his emotion when he hangs up and becomes sad knowing some day he may never hear his son's voice again. Oh man. Right in the feels

Was definitely one of the moments that made me tear up. 🥺

@@MarshallLeeA A fellow Marshall Lee. *tips hat*

Ding ding ding

Clint isn't my favourite, but I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Like it does NOTHING except negate Nat's sacrifice (as you said) and Clint's death would suck for Kate as well. The whole point of this show (for me) is to juxtapose Maya and Kate and their experiences with different sides of Clint and how they are reconciled at the end. Just my two cents.

Thank God. Finally someone who understands that.

And then Kate looks at Laura in shock (just like she did with Clint at the end of Ep 1) and says “You’re Mockingbird!”

Yeah. I think, by the end of this, he’s finally going to be free from his past life, bestow the mantle of Hawkeye onto Kate, and live happily in peace with his wife and kids.

I hope so!!!!

Full on Planes Trains and Automobiles ending. It would be perfect

Yeah, I definitely think this is gonna have a good ol' Christmas movie ending.

@@donkeydarko77 🤣🤣🤣 I apologize for my rudeness.

Dude, Frank Castle WATCHED his family get murdered, then they damn near murdered him. He had every reason to do what he did, it was revenge. None of that happened to Clint, the blip is not justification to just kill people. If that's the case, then every person who was left after the blip, has the right to go on a murdering spree.

@@jroo272011 I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm 100% sure that's not even what I wrote. I'm also 100% sure every person Frank murders wasn't involved in the murder of his family so once he got his revenge, by your logic, he should have stopped. But he didn't, which brings me back to my point of why is Clint so different? At least he stopped. It's not a black and white situation is all I'm saying. I'm not shitting on Frank, I love that character, I'm just pointing out that it's a muddy conversation to have.

Thats the thing though, we don't give Frank Castle a pass, we understand why he's doing what he's doing but there is no justification for it. Frank knows this, he knows what he is doing is wrong but Frank views it as necessary. Frank stopped Daredevil from taking that path because Frank Knows he is a criminal. Once Clint became an Avenger things changed for him, he became a hero that people looked up to as Steve Rogers states regularly the Avengers are different, Clint wasn't some random veteran that went on a spree, he was an Avenger. That is the difference. Clint was an avenger, 1 of the worlds mightest heroes that people looked up to, that became a murderer,. Frank was just a random victim of Gang violence who went after criminals. Clint is trying to live a normal life after being Ronin where Frank knows damn well that his mission ends with his death. 1 is just, and accepts that they are just, a murderer. The other is a hero that became a murderer. The same reason we didn't give John Walker a pass for his murder isn't because of the murder its because it happened while he was aspiring to be a hero. The reason Clint was and is held to a higher standard is because the Avengers should be better, his actions reflect bad on the group as well as himself. So Clint must atone. More than this is that Clint unlike Frank cant live with what he's done, he needs to atone for his save as well.

@@christopherwills6976 I get what you're saying, but the fact that Clint lives in his guilt and hates what he did, feels like atonement. Clint's whole family disappeared for five years and he saw criminals living their best lives and it drove him mad. It's not a justification, it just is what it is. Clint's also just as human as Frank, his Avenger status or not. He's not an Avenger first and a human second. It's the other way around. I'm not saying he shouldn't atone or take full responsibility for his actions, but the fact that he knows he was wrong and was willing to die for his actions, gives him some grace for me. We also have to consider the danger that could come from Clint atoning publicly. Not just for him, but his family and I'd be devastated if anything happened to his wife or children because of Clint. It's a complicated situation is all.

Lol I was looking for the comment on the rights

Oh nice catch! I had to go back and watch it. I'm not fast enough to see the W but I definitely see the F sign in the uncle motion. Very cool. That was us as the audience being too reliant on hearing :) Echo warned us

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I'm not as confident as you are about this. He does make the letter F and move his hand in an upward motion, which means "find out / discover", *right* when he whispers "find out". I didn't see him sign a W either. It would make sense to sign an F after signing "uncle" but we didn't see him sign "uncle" because the camera was on her then. I'm just learning a bit of ASL, so I welcome any correction by someone fluent in the language if I'm wrong. ;)

And the echo series most likely will also feature daredevil before he gets his own series again as charlie cox will briefly appear as peter parkers lawyer in spiderman no way home

It's so bizarre lol

I feel kinda awkward seeing him react. 😂

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This is so cool!!!

Yes, I agree. My son is special needs and the representation is just wonderful!💕

@@susanwitkowski5802 I love it!! It feels extra meaningful that it’s marvel doing it, and it’s being done in a way that’s not either surface level or shoehorned in. Makes me happy that our kids are growing up with this as the norm in mainstream entertainment.

Yessssss 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

They technically don't have to acknowledge the netflix show as canon but just keep the same acters and can soft reboot this kingpin and daredevil to more suit the mcu as i am sure kingpin and daredevil will both be in a future spiderman movie

I agree... He can atone and still live

The situation is different , Loki started as a villain and I’m not saying he became a hero , he is sorta an egocentric antihero while Clint is a Hero and losing your family isn’t an excuse to kill other people ( even bad ) cause these are the consequences ( even bad people have families ) , I mean if everyone did what Hawkeye did after the blip , even Cap should have become a killer , since he lost both his best friends ( Bucky and Falcon ) , but he didn’t , he stayed calm and tried to help other people and so should have done Hawkeye , he should’ve reunite with the Avengers that didn’t blipped and stay with them ( especially black widow who is his best friend) . So at the end , I’m not saying that Clint deserves to die , but I wouldn’t be that surprised if that happens cause I also thought about Clint having a bad ending , I mean there are two people chasing for his head ( Echo and Yelena Belova and maybe also kingpin ) so he is in a difficult situation , let’s see what happens , but also since the show ends 3 days before Christmas , I would like to see a happy ending , with Clint finally retiring and Kate taking his spot .

Tracksuit Mafia

@@lahirugardhihewage7921 so do we use the same "bad people have families" logic to wish death on other avengers???... Including kate who definitely killed a car full of people this episode with an explosive arrow?. Lets not be selective in terms of hatred...natasha killed ppl too, in some case even good ppl

@@lahirugardhihewage7921 also I can assure u there's no way yelena is going to kill clint...that's completely outside the realm of possibility... That arc is gonna be used for just some tension and drama...not gonna end with yelena being the murderer of her sister's best friend

Yup! It was like a second but that was the tell for me knowing it was Vinnie D

That was 100% his voice.

@@kimm6589 That dude's hand was also too big to be anyone's other than Kingpin (I mean it's not huge but still)

Yeah, I’m with you. Clint is not a punk. Hector needs to calm down.

I agree with Hector, because clint killed all those five years not because he was fighting crime, but stupidly because it was his way of dealing with grief, which I absolutely do not understand because instead he could actually come to Natasha and help clean up the mess that was left after Thanos, not create a new one. Mayas's father certainly wasn't a saint, but he wasn't the worst of the bunch either, and if it really was a clint then he's just a coward because he didn't go to kill Fisk, he went for the smaller fish because he knew he was sure to win which kind of doesn't play in his favor either. Also, I so "love" that those fans who are now defending Clint's crimes(if that's definitely him), who did it all consciously and willingly, can't accept the redemption arc of Bucky who committed his crimes while brainwashed, but still considered a villain. Well, that's kind of cool. And about agustin not liking jeremy, i don't really like him either, but i honestly don't care for him, and clint wasn't a very important character for me either, i liked him more in animation than in movies, he only became important after the vormir situation, in my opinion. So the fact that there's a TV series based on a certain character doesn't mean that you have to love and admire that character/actor right away.

@@catfrozen3757 how do you know how bad Maya father was or wasn't? Most shows involving someone trying to take down a mob moss shows them starting with the grunts and working their way through them to find the top men. In daredevil it showed how secret Wilson Fisks identity was. I doubt Clint knows his address or even knows who he is to just show up to him directly.

@@catfrozen3757 I never said anything about "defending his crimes." My only point was that you gotta remember that Maya's father was a member of the tracksuits. Therefore; as nice as father he may be, he was still a criminal. Clint's vengeance spree on organized crime as Ronin put the tracksuits, and Maya's father by association, in his crosshairs. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't look at her father as necessarily a "good guy" and Clint as a "bad guy." They are both obviously more complicated characters than that. Two sides of the same coin so to speak.

@@FullMetalB How do you know for sure if it was a clint or not but you defend it de facto anyway?And to the second part of the comment, that's the point, clint wasn't trying to get to the fisks and the big shots of the underworld that were left, he was just killing everyone in a row.Although if he really wanted to get rid of criminals, then yes he would have done what you described, started digging for the remaining bosses and killed from the bottom to the top, but he did not. But all these murders don't count because "well, his family was torn apart before his eyes, so let's turn a blind eye to all this and more", when other characters don't get that kind of indulgence. And really, instead of being an executioner and deciding who lives and who doesn't, he could have really helped Natasha, like I wrote above, and gone to survivor meetings with Steve, which would have been much more helpful for everyone. Of course one might wonder why natasha didn't track him down earlier, especially if they were best friends, but then again, tony and steve didn't connect until the end either, so there's that.

I think they all atoned or are atoning for it in their own ways. Maybe it's not overt or direct, but a lot of them do work for the good and well-being of people, in part to wipe all that red in their ledger. I think whether or not they make up for the harm they've done is up to the individual, but they definitely do atone and that has to count for something. I mean that's life in general, right? If you got things you're guilty about, beating yourself up about it isn't gonna do anything (even though we still do do that). The best thing to do is to move forward and do better.

I mean, yeah. I've heard people make all of those arguments. The only one I'd give a pass to is Valkyrie, not because of the immorality of her actions, but because Ragnarok took nothing seriously so I'm not picky about consequences from it. Personally, I would love if all those characters paid for their crimes. I think Tony and Nat paid because they both died saving the world and that's not perfect but it's the best we're gonna get.

Dude, if every heroes had to atone for their crimes, there wouldn't be any superheroes left.

Even in this episode, are pretending Kate didn't kill anyone with thise explosive arrows?

@@FullMetalB what was she going to do?? Blowkiss them away??

Exactly!!! I like Loki but dude killed 1000s of people in the NY attack alone. But Clint is getting shit for killing some criminals.

BRUH remember when "those" people calling Ronin racist for murdering all bad people in tokyo 💀💀

@@lyacherry1096 hector is those people 🤣

I mean he was doing plenty of killing before becoming ronin too 😂😂😂

I very much agree, bro.

Clint shouldn't atone for anything he did the right thing

I mean valid, and I do empathize with Clint. He's always been my favorite Avenger, but I can't deny that he kinda went full Punisher and that's not okay. There's a reason Steve Rodgers would rather lose than work with that man. Also, he did that after losing his family and while his grief is understandable, it doesn't excuse his actions for me.

@@legendswarble2845 I think that the problem is that it’s ok for others to do that type of thing. I mean not the EXACT same thing. But Iron Man went on a terrorist killing spree. Black widow has murdered countless, I think because people don’t like Clint as much as other characters so they’re less forgiving of his actions

@@legendswarble2845 The Winter Soldier is proof Steve Rodgers is a hypocrite.

@@mobiusbelts3607 The Winter Soldier wasn't in control of his actions. It's actually comic Steve's inability to accept X-23 that makes him a hypocrite.

@@antuanlemon484 Perhaps, but Tony and Nat are dead and spent years saving people and trying to make up for what they did, so it does feel a little different. Clint spent five years hunting people for sport and then saved the world, but only for his family, and then retired. While I still love Clint as a character and tbh he's still one of my favorites, you gotta admit, he's a messy bitch lol.

Definitely

Really isn’t much of a limb lol

@@ChrisLamia LOL... I never said it was a huge limb... but there's still a small chance it isn't him...

@@thomasalexander9978 I don’t think there’s any chance at all it’s not him.

@@ChrisLamia ::: shrug :::

I mean, guilt isn't atonement. He has yet to answer for any of his crimes. The Sokovia Accords were *supposed* to be about the Avengers being help culpable for their actions. But Hawkeye was literally out there murdering people in the streets. That's not any form of justice. He SHOULD answer for that.

I think the major difference is that the Avengers went on world saving missions where preserving the lives of the people fighting them wasn’t the priority, they didn’t intentionally go out of their way to kill anyone but if one of their enemies died in a heated battle they weren’t going to cry over it Whereas Clint specifically went out of his way to hunt down regular criminals that could have been arrested and tried and murdered them because he’d decided they deserved it

Yeah and it's also the fact that Clint's actions as Ronin were only seen as him killing nonwhite criminals in Mexico (unseen but described) and Japan (seen), so that's pretty terrible. They come across as being racially motivated, on top of his motivation that he wanted to kill criminals for surviving the snap. But if there's more to this story, then this show is the perfect place to explore that. And for the record, I have also seen online discourse about Tony Stark and Steve Rogers and Black Widow and other superheroes needing to face justice for murdering enemy combatants instead of capturing them or taking a different approach. It's just that Clint's is fresh and he got to go back to his family. Tony and Nat are dead. But Steve got a happy ending.

@@qjinx1 Well, don't be dismissive and say it was a "few dozen", we don't know how many people Clint Barton killed and we don't know what they did to deserve it. I never said him being an Avenger doesn't count for anything, either. Of course it does. But that doesn't take away from how bad it looked when Clint killed a bunch of Mexicans offscreen (and pretty brutally) and a bunch of Japanese people onscreen (pretty brutally).

Guys, I think youre forgetting who he killed, all the people that we know he killed are part of organized crime/mafia. The Japanese people were from the Yakuza and the tracksuit mafia is literally a mafia, potentially run by Kingpin? They werent just random people or regular criminals

And it’s the one from Netflix series

Well according to Hector in another thread. The reason he is harsh towards Clint is because in Endgame he apparently says Clints actions as Ronin had a "racial killing undertone". Even though that was not the case. So because of that questionable reasoning Clint apparently needs to die.

Yeah and knowing that we're now in ep 3 and they still have that energy, makes it hard to watch their reactions. Idk.

That episode was absolutely incredible.

Such a phenomenal episode. Absolutely love him as an actor. He was great in fargo and reservation dogs too.

He was also in Doctor Sleep

Besides Hector Navarro (who did his research, he was spot on), i suggest you watch other RU-vid reactors who loved and appreciated Kate Bishop and Clint Barton, like The Reel Rejects, Holden Hardman, Tessa Smith from Mama's Geeky, Perri Nemiroff, StruggleNation, pReview'd, Blind Wave. I don't about Tyrone Magnus if he saw the series

If anything it seems pretty damn obvious he’s making it hime for Christmas with how much they’re playing it up

Bruh, what a detail!

I'm wondering. We don't if Maya was erased by the Snap or not, right? If so, the "Ronin encounter" had to be before that and it can't be Clint.

​@@axlm.808 Maya is what, 6 or 7 in 2007 right ? So the snap was 2019 which would make her 18 or 19 when it happened. She looks older than that to me. If she wasn't snapped then she'd be 24ish in the current timeline & that looks about right tbh. I mean, I guess she'd be 24 regardless but I'm talking about physical age :D

​@@ShadowHazard93 Been thinking on this and the best I can come up with is that they knew people would suspect Jack was Ronin so they made sure Jack was a leftie same as Clint.

I’d go as far to say that it’s quite literally impossible to atone if you’re dead.

I would argue it’s one of the worst ways, especially when it would negate a different character’s sacrifice lol

It’s amazing how that intro worked so well and was more effective than 2 hour films introducing characters

I love that marvel searches for unique and unknown/lesser known ppl to take on these roles, rather than already famous people. Especially with the casting post Avengers 1. They’ve really gone for skill and who embodies the characters best rather than star power. I really like when movies do this. Pixar and Disney have done it for movies relating to specific cultures as well, which I love

@@DP-nl4uq Not really. I'm convinced that you didn't watch Iron Man or Cap America where Yensin and Erskin died. Or Raimi's Spiderman with Uncle Ben. The only reason this opening works so well because we know "Ronin" on the other end. If it's just some random unknown killer, it won't be as effective.

@@zeroskaterz92 I have multiple times and just Bc someone died doesn’t mean that’s what made it effective. Yensin and erskin are largely insignificant in their roles.

@@DP-nl4uq Largely insignificant? lmao Yeah, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Funny, because I can say the same shit too, just because Maya's dad died doesn't mean that's what made it effective. He's largely insignificant in his role.

Thanks so much, Arrian! Really appreciate the kind words. = )

It's the continuity about Kingpin in Daredevil, last we saw him he was in prison because of his and Matt Murdock's deal. To bring him in Hawkeye it's a ret-con. But like Adam said, Feige doesn't care about continuity, just money.

The irony too given that Widow spent the blip trying to hold the world together while Clint went on an emo murder spree...

Never.

12:20 Hyperventilating lmao

@@funnerz *LOL*

Same, this was a great reaction

To be fair, there is a high chance that he didn’t have access till after endgame. He’d only met antman even in passing once or twice till that point!

@@hylianhaxorus9689 Right and they BARELY had enough Pym Particles to use for the Time Heist.

I also hate using the word disability because I find people with special needs to be so fucking able.

thats quite an interesting guess, if they mentioned or show or tell us that the murder of Maya's dad was during the five yrs of the Blip, then i guess it would definitely Clint maybe but since they didnt tell us, like ur guess, maybe its the Swordsman or someone else did it between the event after the Blip and before the stuff went to the auction.. and if it is someone else than Clint, they are doing quite a good job at hiding their mess or something, cuz it would be all over the news already about Ronin being back, just like when Kate wore the suit

@@arifkarim4184 Well if there's one thing Marvel loves doing in these shows and movies, it's misdirecting us for a big OH SHIT moment lol. Also, I have a feeling that Maya (or maybe her cousin or someone else) will end up killing then one who killed her father. And I highly doubt Hawkeye dies by the end of this show because with everything he's lost thus far, killing him off on top of all that would be worse than cruel. At least that's how I would feel about it, having to see his wife and kids being told he died would crush me lol. The only other way this could go with Clint being the guilty one, is if Maya decides not to kill him upon learning about his family. Whattaya think??

In regards to live action (I know little about comics), I don’t think he trained to specifically be ronin since he took the mantle during the blip years, immediately after his Hawkeye days. It would be interesting if the show adapted some of his circus days as a kid and showed his training with a sword, which explains his proficiency.

@@ignatiusartistry yes I would rather much prefer a past of Clint in the circus along with swordsman. I don’t know why I didn’t think of that but yes that’s true.