HDZero Whoop Collab with HappyModel $180 // Winter Whoop Time Has Arrived // FPV Fun in Comfort 

This is basically what I've been waiting for all along. I think it's actually priced really well considering the cost of the components.

I would think it should be capable of running 3s as it is?

Do you think we can expect an Elrs analog mobula 7 soon?

I think 180 dollars is a fair price 100 for the HD zero and 80 for the rest of the drone.

150$ - 160$ will be the tiny killer 😁😁

For all the hate Happymodel gets they are easily one of my favorite companies, by far the best performing and cheapest whoops they were the first adopters of ELRS and first to release HDzero bnf's. Who ever is making decisions there I hope they continue.

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May i know set which device?or BF?

@@annofpv899 just BF

Yep. DJI VTXes should shave half of weight and size to compete with this.

You do realize naked Vista is only like 0.2g heavier than this Sharkbyte board? See my latest video, that's a DJI whoop.

@@FilipRadelic I actually didn't! I'm really impressed with your build, I might have to copy it. You should post a breakdown of it on RotorBuilds! :)

@@Lozoot2 I want to but I keep making it lighter all the time 😅 so it’s always “next week”.

Thank you. Appreciate the kind words

And yes. 2S is the way to go. Less voltage sag, FC/ESC has better control over motors, more torque and so on. You could always tame it down with max motor output and rates in general.

I was running at 200mw. I wanted to ensure I was stressing the quad as much as I reasonably could 😁

That was a really good sale. I would be curious to know how many units were sold

Thank you. Sure nice to be comfortable and enjoy fpv this time of year

Yes I think it’s good for our fpv business to work together. I don’t suspect the market is large enough to try to act like islands for very long

Is that a good thing?

@@NickBurnsFPV Think about it. Analog and digital all look the same no difference.

The part that is noticeable, is the packet rate control isn’t an issue with either inside

I built a custom moblite 7 with the newish Happymodel ELRS AIO. Flies great inside and outside (if not too windy).

No HDMI on DJI goggles so need a compatible ‘analog goggles’ with HDMI in or HD scout goggles.

Chris is correct. We have to have hdmi input on the googles

My rates are actually kind of high. P R 1.20 and .8, yaw is 1.3 and .8. Betaflight rates

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks Nick, 1.3 yaw omg. I thought it's a rule that for yaw to be lower than P&R😂

I was a 1s only guy. Went up to 2s because of hdzero. Worth it. But it is inevitable to go up further to 3s and 4s

well it could be what we call board orientation, motor rotation or props on wrong. Look at the image of the quad in the betaflight app, does it move 100% like the image? if not we need to adjust board orientation. Next would be the motor rotation. again in the betaflight app look at the configuration page to see which way betaflight expects the props/motors to rotate. If all four motors don't match the betaflight image use blheli to change the motors to rotate as epected. Last is the props. The high edge of the prop need to lead the way of the rotation. If all those things are 100% we should be able to fly normally.

Wait until you try 3s on a 75mm build.

Nice. I think there is a lot of unexplored room in 2s micro quads.

Lol thank you. Yes I have been working on reducing my weight

The scout HD goggles have a very nice image, its hard to describe the difference. For me I think the difference comes down to our own vision and ability to adjust, the scout hd cannot adjust but is friendly to various eye sight and ipd. On goggles with more adjustment we can focus the image, possibly, more than on the scout hd and thus the image may appear more sharp/clear. With all things being equal how to image appears to me in the different goggles is very minor, if i only look at the image and don't actually fly I think the scout hd image looks slightly better. But in flight I enjoy the smaller goggle form factor.

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks Nick, bought one

That does it huh? 😄

With HDZero?

Unfortunately the dji googles do not have hdmi in port. We would have to add the hdzero vrx to goggles that do have hdmi input.

If the space is pretty small, say total flight space around 1200 sq ft, I would go mobula 6. If larger than 1800sq ft I would go mobula7. Hope that helps.

@@NickBurnsFPV ok great! Thank you 🙏🏼

Since getting home from work I have been told the antenna will be routed down the back of the canopy "wings" and possibly zip tied down

No, we need the hdzero vrx as well as goggles with hdmi input.

We need goggles with hdmi in and the hdzero vrx to receive the signal. No it doesn't work with dji goggles. The dji system doesn't support hdmi in and isn't compatible with hdzero.

I really can't say. not because I know, but rather I don't know. I don't expect upgrade kits though.

No the hdzero system isn’t analog compatible

Wow that is pretty cool. I didn’t get that email. If you don’t mind could you forward a copy to me? Nickburnsrc@gmail.com thank you

And a 1s board is coming

This is an issue most don’t have. Typically people have problems getting the props off to change them. We could use a bit of dental floss in the prop hole to tighten them if needed

@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks, that's a good suggestion, I'll give it a try. I was thinking of trying to wrap tape around the motor stalk but it's impossibly small

ah shucks. I like to fly and know the house pretty well. I am sure if I were on a neutral track I would pull up a very neat last :)

I agreed on bulky ceramic antenna for tight build. But didn't really see the point on external antenna on ELRS, betafpv micro immortal is nearly twice the weight of an ep2 rx... You rather just ditch that ceramic antenna and replace it with a 31.2mm wire.

It does have the square antenna between the boards. And yes it does impact the range. I have other builds similar and find the remarkable range of elrs while impacted in this build the range it still well more than I would typically fly. I have taken a build like this as far as I could see video on a 400mw vtx. The take away for me, is we will still lose video before we lose elrs control link

FYI: Now I feel stupid. GetFPV shows a bay capable of 13mm x 17mm. Still on Pre-Order, though

Thank you. I fly a lot. Its super fun.

My crystal ball isn’t so clear but I expect the the vrx price to drop if the new hdzero goggles this summer catch on.

@@NickBurnsFPV yeah I saw a video on some that have 1080p Oled with a built in hdzero vrx. Are you talking about those ?

@@jeffro1005 Possibly. But I don't think an image of the googles has been publicly released.

@@NickBurnsFPV yeah seems to be alittle ways off. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cUVfRXmVF2o.html

@@jeffro1005 Yes, I think we will see more or have more this spring/summer.

I suspect this could also push other manufacturers to jump on board or do something about dji whoop weight

My 75mm DJI whoop is 35.8g now with Nebula Pro Nano, and I am still not done reducing its weight, got a custom shorter camera cable on the way from RunCam next... Why no one makes a good BNF DJI whoop, I don't know. See how mine flies in my latest video.

I hope we continue to see great change and improvement. Maybe it will even push other manufacturers to start innovating again.

Thats all goggle dvr ;)

Yes, it only records on the goggle vrx(video receiver) module I do get good image clarity in my house. If we live in a concrete structure or metal studd structure the image quality through rooms won't be as good.

Do you have any googles radio etc?

@Nick Burns i have the dji fpv combo but i also bought the giant fpv remote and i fly the dji fpv drone manual no problem. Babyhawk 2 hd, well lets just say, How do i put this. I SUCK

I am however getting discouraged because i really cant afford to start over and i realize my mistake on how much more expensive everything is with dji in it. Coupled with not being good enough for the real fpv drone. Been flying for almost 1 year and realize i am terrible in acro mode.

@@NickBurnsFPV wait i just found 3 screws missing from 2 motors wait wait maybe i dont suck maybe it was the drone...... find out tommorow.

@@richardmcguigan1382 were the motors loose?

lol I hope you enjoy it as much as I have.

What looks great? The image quality is still so damn poor! He could barely fly around a house just two doors down and the snow was a screen full of a BLIZZARD! Barely flyable. JB and Blunty played back Nick's video in their weekly news update, and JB remarked at how Nick wasn't really very far away from his house at all. Flying a Caddx Vista equipped quad I'm positive I could fly that same flight path Nick took and get nearly no break up at all. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if it did that same flight crystal clear the entire way. I just don't get the excitement of HDZero! Sure, the camera gives a better image than the original ones, but there's still ZERO PENETRATION and soooooo much snow! :(

@@KOrnhOliO1 Ummm, are we watching the same video? Because I didn't see any snow on here, only a great HD image on a lightweight 2s whoop. If you're referring to his 1W vtx test he did clarify that the construction of houses in the area impedes radio signal, so I guess unless you were willing to go test a DJI system in that exact neighborhood you'd be purely guessing as far as that assumption goes. I'm sure you'd get a little better penetration, but I'd be curious to see how much blurring and latency spikes you'd be getting at the same time, no doubt at least a little. I'm going to stick with my lightweight Skyzone goggles with OLED screens and diopter adjustment on the wonderful HDZero system rather than those big clunky LCD DJI goggles that somehow still manage to give a decent picture. Too bad no one else can watch while you're flying without buying their own expensive setup!

@@wilmesz1992 Man, is that old news! Ha! We've had Digiview for about a year! We can have anyone download that app, or hand them our phone, and they plug right into their phone and watch the FPV directly. Super simple and awesome! I was referring to when he flew around the neighbors house, a couple of houses down. Barely even get around it and he wouldn't have if he weren't an experienced pilot. Almost lost the entire picture. He knew it would possibly come back around, and it did. But, HDZero has so much snow it's crazy, even at 1000mw! Terrible when compared to the best. No penetration at all!!! I'll be he could fly a DJI equipped quad with the 1200mw mod which is close to 1000mw and he'd barely get ANY breakup at all. Heck, use 700 mw! Use a 120fps camera and get low latency and have a gorgeous picture the entire way. Remember, he's only maybe 150 - 200 feet away! Not far at all. Even JB remarked how he wasn't far away at all. HDZero just isn't impressive in the least bit when you've flown and got used to using the DJI FPV system. Plus, now your VTX / camera combo costs about the same as DJI does, and it doesn't have a receiver! If one owns the DJI radio, you don't need a receiver, cuz that too is built in. way, Way, WAY TOO MUCH HYPE about an HD FPV system, HDZero, that is about 10 - 20% better than analog. Biggest problem is, it's just not a good value for your dollar! Paying that much for such little improvement isn't a good deal. Where as upgrading to the DJI FPV system gives you the very best, by a long, Long ways, that FPV had ever seen. Nothing is even remotely close.

@@KOrnhOliO1 Ok bud have fun flying your overweight digital system in these tiny whoops. 19g for DJI vs 6g for HDZero. You can't tell me that 13g doesn't make a performance difference in something that small. Anyways I'm glad you have something you enjoy to fly, as do I. I remember a couple months ago how you were telling me that digital was the future and I needed to scrap my analog equipment stat, well I did move on to digital, but I guess that's invalidated because it wasn't to your digital system of choice lol. Hopefully DJI continue to support that system even though they've used it for their purposes and moved on to Occusync 3 now.

@@wilmesz1992 Naked Vista = 9.2g ... Polar Nano = 2.7g ... total = 11.9g HDZero 20x20 board = 5.9g ... latest camera = 5g w/mipi cable ... total = 10.9g HDZero whoop board drops weight by 0.5 grams. Now, everything is only 60fps, with almost ZERO penetration - Ha! That must be what HD"ZERO" stands for! LOL ;) I think it's more like 1 gram difference, A N D that's with up to 1200mw for DJI, where HDZero is only 200 mw max. That new MASSIVE 1000mw board won't even fit in many 5" drones, so that's out. P L U S , DJI's system can go for a 120fps camera which only adds 0.8g (Nebula Pro Nano). Kicking ASS and taking names! LOL So far we are only talking about weight, which is very similar. The BIGGEST difference is obviously in performance, in which there is absolutely NO COMPARISON! Crystal Clear image quality with DJI and super blizzard like conditions with HDZero - Zero Penetration too ... Where DJI really, REALLY kicks it's butt from here to the M00N! Come on Man, be real! DJI is the best FPV has ever seen in picture quality by a long ways. Let's call it a 10 out of 10 because nothing has ever been close to as good. So, accordingly, let's call HDZero (penetration ... LOL) a 5 out of 10, with analog at the very best ever, a 4 out of 10. I can't logically and honestly give HDZero any more than a 5 because it is so far inferior to DJI that it can't possibly rate even a 6 out of 10 because they are not in the same world, let alone ballpark! Please be honest with yourself - there is absolutely no comparison in image quality and penetration. Heck, Nick Burns could just barely make it around a house "maybe" 150 - 200 FEET away (200 FEET is a stretch too because that wasn't far at all), and then he had TOTAL WHITEOUT Blizzard conditions in snowy picture. That was testing the new 1000mw VTX too! You and I both know that DJI can get around that house with barely any degradation in image quality from crystal clear. I'd jump all over HDZero if it was good. I'd be a huge fan, simply because I want the ENTIRE hobby to go to digital FPV ... and the sooner the better. But, with the Consumer Electronics Show opening TODAY in Vegas, and Orqa supposedly showing their digital FPV system, hopefully it is great! That might cause HDZero to be so far inferior to both DJi and Orqa that it can't compete and it may be last in a 3 horse race and people stop supporting it. Orqa wouldn't have to be up to DJI's system, but half way between DJI and HDZero and competitively priced and then people would have to really think about going with the last place digital FPV system. What if Orqa's digital system is BETTER than DJI's? That really spells trouble for HDZero!!! I was in the electronics industry for 35 years. If this happens, it is very possible HDZero would slowly fade to oblivion. Not saying that's gonna happen, but I've seen a distant 3rd place system die because it was borderline good. HDZero is exactly that - ANALOG2, and not a good value for the slight upgrade in quality vs. analog ... not a good way to invest a person's money with that little return. :(

There are but the thin mipi might not get squeezed much if at all depending on the stiffness of the zip tie

yes it is. I show a few 3s batteries that will fit in the battery tray. I focused on 2s for inside flight. The day I had weather for outside flight I only had 2s batteries charged :(

I could. I have yet, those sort of builds or custom changes will likely happen as the weather gets better

My guess is future features will depend on community outreach

Is that the 12amp that has two versions the 1s and 2s? I would surely think the AIO will be out 2 or so weeks after the whoop launches.

@@NickBurnsFPV yes, the v2 is supposed to be capable of 2s. I’ve heard that people have issues on 2s though. I’ll keep my eyes peeled for the new HM board.

The flags are for a construction project that was to start in November. A pool 🤷🏻‍♂️

Lines under ground marked for work that probably going to be done in the backyard

@@NickBurnsFPV uh oh, a pool right where you rip?....could make for some fun videos, lol!

I foresee a video, or two, on applying conformal coatings 🐠

@@pacificnorthwestpilots6050 yes, but it will have a mechanical cover. That was a feature I would let go of. two reasons, safety and to be sure I can easily and quickly close it up to fly. :)

We would likely need to see dvr and know the size/weight of battery. If the battery isn’t of good health or quality and weighs a lot washout is going to be very difficult to overcome

@@NickBurnsFPV DVR is coming tomorrow! :-)

@@NickBurnsFPV Here is my DVR Video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EnBKPmU2xrs.html Read description for more info. Thanks!🙂

I suspect the price point is based on the mobula 7 HD that did onboard "HD" recording.

SD card slot is dead center where the goggles rest on our forehead. The foam should have a cutout or it.

@@NickBurnsFPV wow.. I'm blind. Thanks Nick!

Yes when we start getting better weather 😄

I am not away of any plans for happymodel to make one, but they have been known to surprise me.

I couldn’t say. I haven’t used 6s and hdzero. Being a micro flyer it outside my wheel house

Its carrying more weight, yea it won't have the same agility, but it also has a much nicer view in the goggles.

I think its pretty good but I an see how some might feel its a bit on the tight side. The pid/cli should be available on the happymodel.cn website.

I have it and have been using it. I hope to have the video out next week. I am pretty slow :)

Maybe the partnership with hdzero and happymodel ended? We can find a number of micros with hdzero now days. Like the mobilte7

Happymodel ES24TX will work. And a lot of other brands too i believe

Yes, i believe most of the "standard" ELRS modules size will work on the qx7.

Thanks for the help.

only if you have the video receiver module to use with it. I think the direct answer to your question is no.

So good. Love the creativity