HE Shells Rebalance. Sandbox 2021 

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Can you put me in the game?

Well, that way I see a better chance for players to shoot even more gold. As well as the HESH ammunition we have to modnahtni also shatter.

STOP IT TYPE 5 HEAVY IS ALREADY DEAD

for now he are too op on some tanks its stupid when u are playing for example tank who have good armor on turet and something like 60tp or e100 load he and do 300 to u every time no matter what also on tier 10 games literaly every game must be at least 1 fridge and he also do always somethink about 600 700 dmg to u no matter what he rebalance its something what i want to see

In the test server you can send feedback.

Preach!!!!

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That´s the idea. Please check the video for our proposal :) -DelhRoh

@@WorldOfTanksOfficialChannel I dont like ur ideeas to be onest. :))

Actually in this case he gets buffed bcs bis u do dmg with every shot if u hit the armor

@@mrcorn4581 If you call doing 40 dmg doing damage..

@@sonson8877 ye its dogshit. Its also a buff and a nerf for both one-shot machines (FV4005 and FV215b 183) cause they can FCKING pen you THROUGH TRACKS if you hit flush but you wont deal like 800 dmg anymore to maus if you shoot in cheeks bc the splash is gone. Why do need more pay to win in this game?

@@spysmocking4536 I agree why so much negative comments and so few dislikes

KV-2 will butcher low tiers as it does now, as it penetrates them. It will just ensure that you will pay for trolling tier Vs and IVs by VIIs and VIIIs doing the same to you. To be honest, 107mm could get a beefy DPM buff, so that the two guns are in balance and not "107mm => T-150, 152mm => KV-2" we have now.

They just killed type 5

They are referring to the 705A cupola, which obviously doesn't exist.

Thats the thing, hts with strong turret now will be able to play hulldown and wont get spammed by HE kings at jp e100.

@@farariri cool go utilise la heat alors !

Great question XD

And deal 300dmg

@@-moominremix-3280 And deal 1700. HE will be able to shoot thr tracks, watch the video first before commenting fella.

@@farariri it doesnt work like that but okay buddy

@@-moominremix-3280 no hes right it literally works like that

Killing tanks spamming he is annoying, dumb and should not be a thing.

While I agree the 279e has retarded broken armor. It’s not impossible to kill not even close.

Granted killing tanks by spamming HE is rather silly, and something practiced mostly by stupid people, that have not understood the concept of aiming. However I don't see WG adding weakspots to any of the hull-down monsters in the near future, or are you in possession of insider information that they are going to nerf essentially all the Russian heavies? So until such time that they do that, this will make sitting hull-down just holding, even better than it already is. Which does not exactly promote "fun" gameplay. It also skews the already lackluster matchmaker, since this will further increase the value of the armor-heavy heavies, and thus relatively lessen the value of "support"-heavies, you know that type of heavy that is quite common outside the Russian tech-tree. Should this change go through, there is even less incentive for an armor-heavy to move, and no feasible way for the opposition to force them to. You can be pretty sure the arty re-work will not improve their already lackluster capacity to do so, and seeing as they already nerfed one of the few tanks that could force such tanks to move (the Type 5 heavy) into the ground, that is also no longer available. What remains are mostly TDs with large caliber guns, that are not nearly armored enough to hold up for any length of engagement with a proper heavy, and that will then now do mediocre damage at best anyway with their HE. But I guess if people enjoy sitting hull down bouncing shells off each others turrets, then they will be very happy.

@@MakMak02 Adding thing that dont have any reasonable weakspot for 255 mm AP pen should not be a thing, and that is 279 E. And dont talk about small cupols, who have time to aim at them, if you get hit in face with 340 heat. And Is 7 for exampke have 301 apcr, which is not a lot to pen that monster.

@@MakMak02 try killing hull down 279e or chientain driven by good or above players with any tech tree tank

Not enough ammo

7u7

Lol

might as well give it a nuke launcher

They've been saying it since 2014 to string old players along. It's never going to happen. They are going to keep a "pay more to pen more" mechanic for as long as it is profitable.

Shooting well sloped sections of chieftain armor without much nominal armor thickness will not really change, the biggest buff will be for dusty German heavies with flat armor.

If you are shooting HE to those 2 tanks you are doing something horribly wrong pal, i have both of them, IMO 279e is only OP against tier 8 tanks and Chief is OP only in hulldown positions but penetretable by tier 8 tanks in the hull also the thing is strong(good) players have them and to be honest they are well deserved rewards.

@@matejkolar9909 yes, now side that has one of those has got much bigger chance to win, goodbye balance, great job WG

@@joebykerxmax They won't feel it. Their slopes on turrets protect their hull roofs from splash. It's the poor, rusty Axis superheavies that will get some fresh blood in.

Yah

and the E100 and the FV4005.

@@stivenstivensson4542 only when you Full gold

Why? Lots of nominal armor thickness with little sloping and lots of exposed roofs - in the past vulnerable to HE, after the rebalance only matched by Germans in resistance to them!

it was fun yes but there are incidences where people just splash HE round corners not even hitting the tank but A. dealing more damage than they should and B. not even hitting the tank. For a few tanks it makes sense yes but at points it is very frustrating to play against. Say a 60TP in ranked just spamming HE round corners not even hitting but still dealing between 200-300 dmg

But you can finally pen ebrs with he 😍

@@gustavelapierre7131 well hello there

@@ikai640 to me that is ok, splash damage is a mechanic I enjoy about HE

@@jwj8444 sure you can enjoy it. But in some situations (especially ranked) HE has just too high of a RNG factor, I think that for me is an issue.

Russians with tons of slopes and few cupolas with thin roofs near will barely get stronger. It's the Type 5 Heavy that will get strongly beefed up now, because it has tons of exposed roofs to HE shrapnel from shot cupolas, little sloping, and lots of actual armor thickness. And don't forget you have 14cm gun option!

The KV-2... Do I need to say anything else?

But its not the problem of the mechanic, actually the new HE logic is more realistic, those tanks are just hilarious.

...Or they could nerf those tanks because they are special tanks, not premium tanks. (But if they do that to the Chieftain, clan tryharders will cry :'( and those who got the 279e will feel betrayed so wargaming might not do that unfortunatly)

279E is easy AF to deal with, what are you even talking about

shooting HE into chieftain and 279e is already bad option, because usually they spam gold, so you do 200 to 300 with every hit and they roll 400 to 500, you are just stupid if you spam HE into them...

@@downhillfriday4118 Using game mechanic that is available for EVERYBODY is p2w? Wow, just... Wow

Pretty sure WT involves less suffering that WOT (zero arty, machine guns can kill wheelies).

@@Rubberduckzillas but do you know how painfull the grind is. Thankfully I finished the ones that I love but the grind is enormous

@@radonsider9692 Strongly disagree. WT's grind is less painful than the WOT grind by far. Comparing tanks, WT's MM is like +/-1 for *every* tank, tech tree or not. A Pershing will never see the Maus in WT, but it will in WOT. What does it hope to be able to do? Premiums are frequently rebalanced in terms of performance, battle rating. Thanks to no B.S. Hitpoint system, even the aforementioned pershing can kill and disable a maus in 1-2 shots from the side, as opposed to the (looking it up roughly) 12 SHOTS??? in WOT. You can even take tier 1 trucks and reliably kill modern MBTs thanks to this. I've personally one shot an M1 Abrams by putting a 50mm panzer's shell through the turret ring, because at least if my skill with aiming is good enough, RNG isn't going to punch me in the face. Ammunition is already balanced as physics dictates an APCR round will do less post pen damage than APHE. My biggest points would be: You can grind the main tech trees by using premiums, and/or you can premium-ify *any* main tech tree tank you want, and you can grind the entire rest of the tech tree using it! I've met guys who only ever loved one particular vehicle or tier, and ground out entire nations because they didn't feel like playing anything higher. You have zero choice in WOT to grind higher things by playing the tanks you want unless you convert xp by throwing your bank account at wargaming. To put it into perspective, if I wanted to premiumify something like the T-90 for whatever reason, I could do so on sale for less than $7.

@@Rubberduckzillas you are kinda correct. It changes by point of view. And it seems like WoT is painful.

@@radonsider9692 The WoT grind is way bigger than WT’s.

Barely. They have lots of slope that protects hull roof from splash. It's the German heavies that will feel it the most. Also, EBRs will be more shot at with HE with effect, and at the same time less effective against armor with their own HE.

@@anonim-8572 True. Several wot players are just cry babies.

@@qwerty.760 Judging from the poll on QB's channel it's not that rare, however. I'd restrain from calling people crybabies at least in that topic.

It just seems more realistic, but will it be good for balance? It should just buffs the strong hulldown monsters you just could kill by spammin HE.

@Mata5 did you watch the video tho?

@@hendider876.4 certain tanks are made for hulldown situations and being smart enough to use that to your advantage will reward you and it forces people to TRY and be creative in their strats to outflank those hull down tank knowing that their hull armour might be weaker than their turret armour. Nobody is entiled to be able to pen a tank regardless how they're positioned. People who use their armour smartly should be rewarded.

True, but there are to many hulldown meta tanks in the game right now. I hope they won't add many more of them.

Because the change actually makes sense... I can't believe it either!

Type4-5 derp gun is already worse than the one that kv2 has right now

Start by killing other tanks, then use teamplay to flank it and/or hit it's back. OFC this could succeed only if your team achieved a better teamplay than the opposite... This is true for every heavily armored tank you're facing and can't penetrate... Can't do it alone ? Don't play WoT...

@@Cadadadry the teamwork cannot be acheive, i play on asian server

@@Cadadadry lol teamplay in wot, good joke

Shoot cupolas. The biggest strength of Object is lack of lower plate, not monster turret or monster gun. IS-7 has a way better turret with no weakspots there whatsoever and it's no meta.

I really want to know how did he did that,since you know,I was 100 ton

Using their logic there will be no more arty splash.

That was cancelled any anyone who thought it was going to be implemented has very little understanding of how the WoT economy works.

@@_gungrave_6802 finnaly someone who speaks the truth i love you sir

@@_gungrave_6802 wargaming wanted the prem nerf. why would they introduced it then? the p2w community cried about it and thats why it was cancelled.

im sad that they cancelled it, I would love to have more AP damage

completely agree except for the arties (I don't hate them)

well you see the russian hulldown tenks were getting forked with he, so we nerfed HE, good day

When will people finally understand that hull down position is supposed to be superior? What's the point of going hull down if I'm going to get hit for 300-400 dmg by HE anyway?

jpz e200 confirmed

Double 170mm 😳😳

I agree, as someone who enjoys playing the 60TP it is both annoying and sad to see HE only players on it. Honestly playing like that limits its potential. I always try to avoid HE on it and carry only 8 rounds of it. P. S. I think that you exagarated the HE nonpen damage a bit... 600 is way to much, more like 470-500 max and still not against hulldown peekers.

It is hard to play 60tp with no hesh because of the bad gun handling and bad armour. You don't have much time to aim in 60tp. Plus you have shitty reload

But having OPtain or OP object(e) and spamming PREMIUM pay to win ammo its okay? They should rebalance premium ammo.

@@Skogdust Why are you assuming that wanting to balance HE means that we don't want to balance gold ammo?

@@sorinancuta3934 Not every ammo is equal!? That his problem. 279 E heat have 340 pen, Obj 705A have 315, IS 7 301 apcr. That make a difference, in pen or no pen.

@@melaniejason3912 they were the perfect counter for the 252U and then wg nerfed them.

Oh yes! Once i shoot HE on lynx with foch 155 and i did 0 dmg cos i hit the wheel. That was a really sad moment... but soon never happen again xd

Its really not a nerf. I have nearly 1000 battles in my EBR 105, and can tell you that its pretty rare that someone even hits me with and HE round(because of their slow shell velocity), and when the do frankly I'd rather it pen and just suck up the damage than have it not pen and destroy my entire side of wheels. Biggest thing that causes no-damage shots on my wheels is idiots shooting AP and APCR under the tank.

Not really cuz and ebr can auto aim even if there are objects around him.. try to use your brain, I know that you are probably a 50 wr player but try to turn your brain ON

@@windowsxpwallpaper5851 Then either you are an exceptionally good shot or EBRs are dumb enough to drive at point blank in front of a loaded ISU. Either way, I suppose it depends on how stupid the EBRs are and how good the enemy is at shooting when considering it a nerf or not.

@@ossiosric6283 lol

Look at the armor model of 50B somewhere, there is an armor plate above the tracks that goes lower to the back of the tank, so if you shoot top of the track, you will hit that

SU-100Y is a good example. It's gold ammo does more damage but less penetration. They should implement this to all vehicles where if the penetration increases less damage or more damage less penetration.

The problem is that it would buff all heavily armored tanks, making the obj279e and the cheiftan even stronger. I like the idea to limit gold spam, but we dont need to make op tanks even more op :/

@@markezz_z9629 wargaming should hire a balancing artist to fix their game

Gold isn't a problem you Pepega

Take steel hunter for example. AP has less penetration, but does more damage than APCR.

Well yes. But pepole are angry about he? Let premium rounds cost gold again, problem solved i say

Not really, it s better to shoot gold at those tanks

Tanks with slopes will get only a slight buff. Tanks with flat armor, all of the German thicc bricc tanks will get the biggest share of buffing.

they will untouch kv2 like in the previous test.

Not dead but probably they will cut it's "balls" a little along other derp gun tanks.

No it’s not, except you actually have to aim now instead of locking on and firing. All round good change

Hesh can at least splash so this is not even hesh anymore.

1. Artilery will be rebalanced on its own (they said it around the end). 2. To do damage when shoting tracks you need to pen them, then the shell either explodes if it can't pen the hull and does some damage or pens the hull and does full damage (if you can't pen the tracks you do 0 damage, if you can then they lower the penetration of the shell before it hits the hull resulting in nonpen damage or pen damage. 3. HEAT worse than HE?.... Excuse me? Those are 2 different shell types designed to do 2 different things! It's like trying to compare a dagger and a baseball bat. 4. When it comes to splashing 2 tanks at once, They don't explain it here, but I think it is going to stay. How it is going to work? I don't know. From what I understand WG is trying to make the HE more predictible and fair to use and play against. Also it is going to be a tiny touch more realistic now.

​@@Tom_K 1. I know, but that sounds like it's going to work completely different form normal tank HE, not sure how intuitive that is... 2+3. Yes, but HEAT gets completely absorbed by spaced armor (including tracks). HE from what it sounds here passes through completely and then act like it never hit the tracks.

In the game Hesh has the same mechanics as normal HE. New HE mechanics are different from the Heat mechanics

nope, they will keep old HESH ....

@@lohi2609 ...and said HESH will penetrate tracks...

@@anonim-8572 yep, didnt know that week ago

yea!

Quick baby played today with derp guns at test server. It's death for derp gun ITS OVER.

Amen

no, you can still destroy the tracks. if you hit a part of the tracks (or wheel) that have not some armor behind, like the part that touch the ground, you don't do damage. On the other side if there is armor behind it, you will pass throught the track/whells and do some damage...... in my opinion this means also that whells cannot absorb HE anymore, since they will pass throught them instead of detonating immediately

To make it even better you can pen the wheel AND the wheeled tank itself that way! Basicaly an indirect nerf to the pepegacarts! I LOVE IT.

Overdue...