Hearthstone Player Rates Magic The Gathering Legendary Cards w/ MagicTheNoah 

12:20 Unless they recently changed it, the 21 commander damage rule only applies to combat damage, meaning the ping damage from nekusar wouldn't count.

For anyone that didn’t get the Colossal Dreadmaw joke. Colossal Dreadmaw is the Boulderfist Ogre of MTG. There are way worse cards but they kept reprinting this card in every set for a while and people started to meme the card.

It makes me smile every time someone asks if there is mill in MtG. The archetype is called mill from a a MtG card

I feel like the thing that threw him about Emrakul is that annihilator 6 was not adequately explained. Annihilator 6 means the player you're attacking has to sacrifice six permanents immediately when you attack them. "What if they don't have enough things to sacrifice?" _Lands are permanents. If you don't have six other things, this monster jellyfish from hell obliterates your mana._

Emrakul is NOT banned because of the extra turn clause. A 15 mana colorless commander is not a good card, and would probably be mediocre in the command zone. Emrakul is banned in EDH because it is the most powerful "cheat" target ever printed. There are so many ways to put Emrakul into play for significantly less than 15 mana, and getting to attack for 15 and trigger annihilator 6 on say turn 5 when your opponent might have barely more than 6 permanents is backbreaking and not a good pattern for gameplay. It is extremely rare for any deck that has Emrakul in it to try and hard cast it, it is nearly always cheated.

I love how both Noah and Rarran pronounced "Emrakul" perfectly first time and then they both agreed that neither of them could pronounce it properly 😂

34:25 "not a lot of goblins you can play with this"... I'm sorry what???? I think the real problem here is that, as it was stated, the viability of any given commander is subjective. That said Krenko is a kill on sight commander, you don't let him tap, not once, not ever.

The "Rating Cards" series is so entertaining and and Magic is my favorite one.

Edgar is basically the equivalent of your hero having the ability to summon a Patches every time you played a pirate, and patches was one of the best cards in hearthstone

Nekusar does not make your opponents draw like 15 cards, it tries to stick multiple pain effects and then wheel like two times to kill everyone at once

Kozilek is in no way a Voltron commander. He is there as a big ramp target and so you can stop opponents doing things while pumping out other Eldrazi. The only thing he has going for him with voltron is a big stat line and Menace, which is simply not good enough.

I love that when he gets to sheoldres, Noah goes "its not that strong" and proceeds to explain that is so strong you become the archenemy.

Krenko is insane, what are you talking about? Isn't only a snowball card, is a combo card. Goblins can give haste very easilly, have tons of lords to pump the tokens and have decent tutors and infinite combos. Don't underestimate the Gobos.

Great video, lots of fun! Some incorrect details unfortunately. For example, commander damage only gets applied by the commander doing combat damage, non-combat damage does not count.

BTW Nekusar doesnt kill players with commander damage as it's only based by combat damage

I know Magic Noah is a meme channel but I kinda wish he didn’t have as many mistakes in the Commander video. Don’t really blame him tho MTG and especially Commander is very complicated. Hope Rarran gets to do one of these with other Commander creators as well like Tomer from MTG Goldfish Commander, Any of the hosts from GameKnights, or Mitch from Commanders Quarters.

No offense to Noah but hes more known for his memeing shit posting as opposed to his magic the gathering card knowledge.

Fun concept for a vid, would maybe suggest getting someone from the mtg goldfish crew if you try this again? Tomer would be a great pick especially. He's been playing and making accessible commander focused content for years.

Hard disagree on Kaalia. Not that she has fallen out of favor, but the reason for that. The real problema od kaalia is that nowadays everyone is running a lot of removal and as a 4 mana 2/2 she dies to EVERYTHING. She also doesn't have haste, which means, you usually have to wait a turncycle to trigger her.

"I would imagine in Magic there is a mill archetype..." Dude Mill is called Mill from the card Millstone in Magic lol

Is Rarran a Starbucks barrista? Feel like he'd pronounce my name Fea-laixy when reading my cup

This is a good follow-up from when PVDDR was doing this because he doesn't play a lot of commander so the only way he evaluates cards is through the lens of someone who's used to playing 60/4 formats (60 card main deck, 4 copies per card) and drafting. With this one, though Noah only has the general view and knowledge of most formats, at least he has played other more "casual" formats and knows to evaluate for those as well. Correction on annihilator: you still sacrifice as many permanents as you can even if you have less than the number indicated. So if a player has 4 permanents and another one is attacking with a creature that has annihilator 5, they still sacrifice their 4 remaining permanents. Correction on the 21 damage: You only lose if you take 21 **COMBAT** damage from a commander. So a commander that deals damage via an ability does not count towards this. Opinion on Krenko: Hard disagree. I think playing the card as a goblin commander is the first thought whenever you see it for the first time, but most of the time, you're playing it in a red combo deck with something like Impact Tremors or other cards that say "Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, deal 1 damage to each opponent.". There are also cards like Anger that just give all creatures you control haste.

Aside from the obvious mistake on commander damage which has already been pointed out, a lot of this video just seems like Noah's opinions and not proper card evaluation which is a real shame as I think Rarran analysed plenty of the cards pretty correctly and was told he was off the mark. No hate, it just seems like Noah's takes on commander are very insular to his playgroup maybe? Perhaps just a miss in terms of the topic also as it's very hard to analyse 'commanders' in a vacuum. There are plenty terrible legendary creatures but as it's an 100 card format - the other 99 cards are often way more important than the commander itself. An individual decks strength lies not in just the commander at the helm but in the deck's strategy as a whole.

Dear Noah, comander damage only aplies yo combat damage

Krenko is an extremely powerful and popular commander. Noah has clearly not gone against a quality Krenko deck before. The player does some stuff, resolves Krenko, then combos out. He's a huge target and the enabler for so many otk's. Krenko players love to punish people like Noah that do not respect this card. Whenever Krenko hits the board you absolutely need to deal with it.

12:20 "I imagine that in Magic there is a mill archetype." *eye twitch* It killed me that Noah didn't show him Millstone, the card where the concept of milling as a game mechanic game from.

I was shaky on the opinions untill he said kozilek was a voltron commander, thats when he completely lost me. No one in there right mind would make him a voltron commander outside of a meme deck

Kenrith is a 10 out of 10 comander. CHAIR TRIBAL REPRESENT

40:34 Rarran read this one as a Brann but also with "Your opponent battle cries don't trigger"

Would be amazing if you could do this with Day9 sometime

i am a seasoned commander player, have been playing at card shops and tournaments for over a decade, and i have to say, i disagreed with noah more than i agreed with him this video. i know haha he said ppl would get mad, but im more upset that the videos quality was lessened by him not understanding how anything above casual commander works. at multiple points he led rarran astray for seemingly no reason, and i dont even think it was on purpose. i simply think he doesnt know what hes talking about fully. no shade, but if ur gonna do another commander video in the future, this is not the dude to bring back. he didnt even know how to pronounce multiple of these commanders names properly.

A few things to help fix it up: There are a LOT of powerful mana rocks. There are constant discussions to ban mana of the 0 mana mana rocks as well as Sol Ring, because they're that good. Getting mana is not an issue as long as you have the budget. To go with this, color is not a restricting cost. Between mana rocks and the "fetchlands" that can search for basic land _types_ (ie, it doesnt have to be a Basic Forest. it can be one of the cycles that are two or even three land types.) You can very easily build a 5 color deck that will practically never run into mana problems simply by tuning the land base well. Because of this, there's a HUGE disparity in the power level between decks simply because of their mana bases... And cost is a big factor of that. If I hadn't proxied my last mana base, it'd have cost $400 by itself. And two, most "strong" commanders are defined by their game plans. Not by how impactful they are when they hit the board. Thrasios, Tymna, and Kraum are all partner commanders and it's extremely hard to deny they're among the best commanders in the game. They're versatile because you can pair either of the other two with Tymna to have 4 of the 5 colors, they all draw you cards, and they usually try to combo out and win the game with counterspell backup. All these three do is draw you cards. Thrasios lets you pay mana for it, Tymna wants you to swing in and deal damage, and Kraum wants your opponents to cast multiple spells in a turn. Typically, if your commander draws you cards consistently and they're relatively cheap... They're probably REALLY good. If they don't, they probably are a combo piece (if a one of 2 combo that wins you the game is in your command zone, it's really hard to interact with,) or generate SO much value that you can take over a game with it. So I'd actually put Kenrith the Returned King from this list, at a 5 out of 5 flamingos. He is the most versatile 5 color commander, he is a mana outlet to infinite combos that wins you the game, he draws you cards, and he strengthens the resilience of any deck he helms because of that reanimation ability. He can pair with a "companion" card called Zirda the Dawnbringer, who reduces the cost of all activated abilities of cards you activate by 2. So this greatly increases the power of Kenrith (3 mana for 5 life is kinda meh, but 1 mana for 5 life adds up over the game if you're just dumping excess mana at the end of your opponent's turn.) Kenrith is just kinda the King of "Good Stuff" and fits at all power levels in the game.

Theres a lot of misinformation in this video and I'll give a list whenever I get off work but to start. 1. If you have less than 6 things for Annihilator you just sacrifice everything 2. Commander damage is only combat damage not other sources.

notably Kenrith also states target player. Meaning if you have an infinite mana source you can force your opponents to draw their entire library+1 so they lose the game, or you can use his various abilities to entice other players as commander is a social format and deals can be made with one another.

First of all, only combat damage dealt by a commander counts as Commander Damage to win the game, which means that Nekusar pinging when an opponent draws a card doesn't do much. Secondly, despite this, Nekusar is one of the scarier kill on sight commanders out there. This is primarily because the best things to do with him are A), wheel, and B), give him Infect, and suddenly he's freaking terrifying

rarran laughing out loud when Noah explains rule zero to him is pretty on point

btw Magic Arena does have Commander! Its called "brawl" there, it basically has all the Commander Rules, except its a 1v1 format.

He doesn't understand the game does he?

I think the magic evaluation I have the most issue issue with is calling Kozilek a Voltron commander. When every build I see of him is usually ramp into big colorless spells with the commander as a control piece on thr top end.

I like Noah and his content, but I feel like he's not the best person to be both explaining this format to people and not letting his personal bias get in the way of card evaluation as a whole. The video feels pretty medium as a person who brews and plays the format regularly.

Having played vs Krenko a few times at my lgs? You got the Krenko play pattern very wrong. It doesn't matter that they are trash, goblin have access to a lot of support and lords to buff each others and being trash mean they are cheap and easy to flood the board with. Then you just sack them all and kill everyone.

I couldn’t disagree more about Kalia, she is an example of an agro strategy that works really well in commander. In Noah’s example he says oh in the early game players should be ramping to set up for later game strategies, but you can’t ignore a Kalia that comes down in the early game and just ramp, you will almost certainly lose that game. Kalia is kill on sight, it only takes a couple of triggers before players start getting knocked off the table

The Krenko goblin is a combo deck. OTK style. Also Colossal Dreadmaw is the Ultrasuar of MTG

With all the respect to noa in the world for his fun content. his card analysis is beyond awful. You can generate resources and be fast at the same time, fast commanders like kaalia and krenko begin considered weak baffles me. Sure we may no longer be in 2015 but cheating mana or create a million tokens for free is still incredibly powerful. How can joda mana cheating be ban worthy and kaalia be weak baffles me. Sure there may be more powerful commanders nowdays but there are also a ton of more powerful dragons demons and angels that werent available before that kept her relevant. I really enjoyed the video you did with Paulo Vitor beacause he knew his stuff very well and presented intresting cards. Noa was really subpar to the task, he was way more funny at evaluating heartstone cards. From an MTG player perspective this was painful

With Nekusar Noah got s/t very important wrong: commander damage (the 21 damage thing) is ONLY on combat damage, the draw trigger on Nekusar does not cause commander damage.

13:00 Commander damage counts only as combat damage not through abilities. Great video.

The person choosing the cards should rate them before hand to prevent biased nit picking, this is my favorite series on your channel though

This was a great watch, keep it up Rarran, especially love the MTG content as well

Strongly disagree with many of Noah's opinions here. To be fair, commander is generally a casual format where power is subjective and fun is primary. However, I'm not playing a commander like Nekusar to slowly deal 1-2 damage a turn my opponents, I'm playing Nekusar to immediately cast multiple wheel of fortune effects that will kill the whole table very quickly. Saying Nekusar is just bad without mentioning how many Wheel effects there are in the game is just sloppy imo.

So something about annihilator is that you have to sacrifice the permanents even if you don't have enough. That means if someone has 5 permanents, and emrakul attacks you, you lose everything.

I always love seeing you talk about other card games, its my favorite genre of youtube video! I would love to see a series where you document yourself playing these games in person and getting a feel for the community!

RARRAN AND COMMANDER? YES PLEASE 😭😭😭

Commander is the only format in Magic I've played, so I really liked this episode! Though I think Noah should have explained the rules a bit better at the start for Rarran. At least telling him you have 100 cards, no duplicates except lands and how the Commander works in general. It's like playing a Reno highlander deck in Wild, with Giga Prince Renethal and vs 3 other opponents :P

The thing with kenrith is that the strongest form of the deck is just a grindy control shell with a combo finish. if you use one of the fifty combos in magic that generates infinite mana, it just wins the game. You draw your whole deck, you play every spell and criature,you give them +infinite/+infinite, haste and trample and swing for lethal. And IF you don't draw one of the 3-4 infinite combos you are running, kenrith can grind value by himself, while also being a beefy beater..You leave all the mana open to counter or kill stuff, and if you don't need to use the mana with anything else, you just draw more cards.

The Kaalia-Master of Cruelties oneshot is the very first commander combo I ever played against and boy did that set the tone for exactly what I built decks to prevent for years afterwards.

This is the content i'm subbed for, good stuff! Shadowverse has a mini-expansion dropping in 2 days, would be awesome if you could do another comp with Ignideus to garner some hype for the mini and some sweet content! cheers bud

Colossal dreadmaw is the boulder-fist ogre meme

The problem is that Noah rates the cards from a casual perspective witch doesn't make sense if you wan't to know which cards are strongest. Because the value of cards changes from power level to power level. Like Noah says casual commander is about making alot of value and building up to one big turn. But with high power or cedh this is not the case. So if you want to know what the strongest commander is you need to take it into the highest power level like cedh, and in cedh edgar markor is shit but cards like kenrith are way better and even kaalia are more playable than edgar

Comments got me mostly covered but one thing I want to point out is that the Commander banlist isn't really made with power level in mind but other, more nebulous reasons. A card being banned doesn't necessarily mean it was overpowered and a lot of very busted cards are still and will probably forever be legal (Sol Ring, Mana Crypt for example).

I didn't care about the accuracy of ratings (given EDH is a casual format), but my god the explanations and rulings were just awful. 1) Emrakul as a commander is complete dogshit. Imagine playing a pure colorless deck where your goal is to take a single extra turn for 15 mana. In Hearthstone, you have a quest that gives you this cool card called "Time warp". Guess what? In Magic, we literally have the exact same card, it costs 5 mana, and you don't need to go on a quest. Emrakul is banned because it gets cheated (either through cast which is rare), but more likely to get annihilator 6. (Also honestly because it feels horrible to be selected for the attack, a lot of cards on EDH banlist are less about power and more about unfun game mechanics). 2) Kaalia of the vast. "Doesn't generate value". Huh? What? We're talking about tutoring cards into your hand, make your board indestructible, getting a billion treasures, or outright gives you combos to win the game. Even in CEDH she's quite strong (like A-tier). The only she's not giga-broken is because in EDH everyone knows they have to kill her the nano-second she enters the battlefield. 3) Nekusar. Not sure how you mess up the 21 damage rule, but okay. I'd say he's closer to 3/5 largely because your plan is to set up a board state where one or two wheels ends the game, but I don't disagree that he's meh. 4) Edgar from a cedh/high power standpoint I'd argue is fine to be rated 3.5/5. Is emininence terrible card design? Yes. Is he that degenerate in modern EDH? No. 5) Terrible explanation for why Evra is shit. First things first, is Rarran thinks in Hearthstone, so the idea that you play this 6 mana card (does nothing) and it dies immediately/is counterspelled is very real. It also forces you to have 8 mana open at all times, because if you ever swap with less than that, someone can kill it in response, so you end up with 4 hp, and you lose the game. Also good luck re-casting your commander for 8 mana in mono white. 6) For Kenrith, probably good to mind Rarran here you can use multiple abilities multiple times. Kenrith is a 5/5 (one of the best commanders in CEDH, very very good in casual). His 3 Blue ability for "target player draws a card", means if you get infinite mana you just outright win the game. Also worth noting the idea that having access to 5 colors means by nature it lets you play all of the best cards in Magic, something Rarran clearly didn't understand. 7) Jodah is okay at 4/5, hard to evaluate cards in a more fine-grained way given how EDH is as a format. Unplayable in CEDH, and even in high power pods has the problem of getting blown out a little bit by counterspells (which doesn't help, because your strategy is very much based around your commander). The emphasis on colors is mostly a bait, most players use land tutors to get The World Tree to never give a shit about the WUBRG, but yeah. 8) Sheoldred.... is just bad. Cards like Dictate of Erebos and Grave Pact are infinitely stronger, both clearing immediately and also harder to remove. Two rotations of this card isn't devastating, or at least if it is it's worth pointing out you can just play cards like Victimize and do the same thing but immediately. It's a 7 mana card that at this point is just generally outright worse than a lot of 4 mana cards. It's a fun card to reanimate, but not very good at all. 9) Elesh norn as a commander is good but not great? The problem is that being in mono white both restricts your ability to generate a lot of mana (which matters if your commander costs 5 and really likes getting killed), and more importantly play a lot of other broken ETB effects. 10) It seems like the entire reason why Kodama of the East Tree is great got completely ignored here which is a little wild. It's because you just put lands into play, so the moment this lives you are just so ahead in mana. For example, with something like Scute Swarm, with a bounce land you can create infinite scute swarms, and play every land from your hand.

Hey Rarran! I enjoy the content you guys make together alot. I honestly have to say tho, Noah is not the right guy for this type of content. He made ALOT of rule mistakes and has shown a huge lack of knowledge on multiple of these cards. Please keep collaborating with each other, but not if its based on Noah's Rule or Meta knowledge.

Rarran is just one of those guys who sees a word he’s never seen before and instead of sounding it out just grabs the letters at random

Noah going: “I could nerf my Jodah deck, but I don’t want to” is kinda me with every commander deck that I’ve upgraded to the point of no return

Emrakul isn't banned because it gives you a turn on a creature (Lighthouse Chronologist, Wormfang Manta, and Timestream Navigator are all legal creatures that take extra turns - plus the manta can flicker combo and Emrakul can't [and ETB is easier to abuse over "when cast"]). Emrakul also isn't banned because it is a commander (Narset turns would be infinitely better). Emrakul is banned because it warps the entire game around it. Emrakul invalidates the entire gamestate prior to it touching the stack 90% of the time by starting a "subgame". Whoever can manipulate the zone that Emrakul is in the best gets the advantage, all other gameplans have to warp around that player and what the Emrakul is doing. Tokens and more control oriented decks care less (tokens for chumping and sacrifice fodder, control with boardwipes), but if they can't deal with the Emrakul or the consequences of the Emrakul, they just loose (taking 15 to the face and dying is still relevant even with 100 1/1 soldiers in play, sacrificing 6 lands stops your interaction so your health effectively doesn't matter [any commander capable of doing commander damage will kill you given enough time and you having no way to deal with it even if your health is arbitrarily high]). The major ways to "beat" an Emrakul once it touches the stack is to combo out from under it, or abuse it better than everyone else. The game ends real fast once you see it. Attacking your resources AND life at the same time with evasion and protection is just a real hard ask of any player at many times throughout the game, but especially the early turns (since it isn't all that hard to cheat from the 99 on turns 1-4). If you do manage to cheat it in AND cast it (there's ways to do it but all I'm thinking of at the moment is: cheat out Omniscience into casting Emrakul for 0), bang, extra bonkers that kinda isn't needed at all (bonus, it can't be countered). (Not to mention it forces your opponent to exile-mill you since it's a Shuffle Titan. Plus decks built to tutor it out of your deck reliably, like a Prismatic Bridge deck, just get to loop it forever each turn if you can only get rid of it by killing [delaying] it.) There's also the consideration that just about any deck can feasibly slot it in as it has no colour restrictions, but that's not really the issue here. That's not to say that there aren't a plethora of other insane creatures to cheat into play super fast, MANY creatures fit that description, Emrakul is just too difficult to interact with and does too much. Interaction with it basically has to be an exile (non-spell) effect, specifically Scour from Existence (a bad card), a Mindslaver effect (force your opponent to use it as you want), or a (non-spell) MInd-Control effect (IDk, flicker a Agent of Treachery or something). A ton of decks can't do that at all. Also there's good reason Annihilator "#" is on like 10 cards (and Bane of Bala Ged kinda*) TOTAL (its kinda nuts and real not fun to lose to). ---------------------------------------------------------------- To give an example of what I'm talking about with the "creates a subgame" thing, here's a paraphrasing from the Rules Committee making use of another banned card, good 'ol Prime Time: Primeval Titan is a powerful effect, but it is not unique. There are several cards that let you find specific, nonbasic lands, but they do not do what Titan does. Because Titan is repeatable, as soon as it is cast / revealed / resolved, the focus of the game shifts. Every player at the table is acutely aware that the person who controls and attacks with the titan the most is *HEAVILY* favored to win the game. The war to see who can control, attack with, clone, or blink the titan the most breaks out, and continues until the game ends. This player pattern is what is described as the “subgame” that PrimeTime starts. All other cards played before it become mostly inconsequential, and very few cards played after it matter if they aren’t directed at the Titan, or stopping the player who controls it. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Emrakul makes the entire game of 400 cards revolve around just 1. Stop the Emrakul. Control the Emrakul. Or die to the Emrakul. That is why Emrakul is banned. The game stops being a commander game and starts being an Emrakul game.

Kenrith is an amazing commander. The more color identities in your commander the better, we're going to assume you have good enough lands to where it's no problem. Also generating infinite, or just a boatload of mana in commander is easy peasy. So infinite mana = auto win, draw your whole deck. 5/5

the fact he didn't understand the value of colossal dreadmaw is amazing to me

12:24 "I would imagine, in magic, that there is a mill archetype" oh my sweet summer child... The mill archetype derives its name from the magic card "millstone"!

I feel Noah and I play very different commander games, commander can be grindy, yes, but the extent he is talking about can only be found in the most kitchen table lvls, if we go by true competitive lvls, commander becomes a game of pure speed and tactics, not a grind fest

I haven’t seen the video yet, but I’m curious as to what will count as a “good” commander if it’s not in the context of cEDH, which I’m guessing it won’t be. There are many commanders that are naturally powerful in casual pods that don’t translate well to how cEDH is played.

commander, in simple hearthstone terms, is a super op heropower that is a mix of classes, and you build a 100 card reno deck with the classes you have from that commander (this, as an mtg player, and hearthstone player in the past)

Seeing Edgar Bad on the thumbnail damn near gave me a stroke

Would love to see ranran play commander sometime, I feel like he would thrive in the chaos

Honestly most of the things he said are plain wrong. - Emrakul is not banned due to the extra turn, it's the fact that it takes out a player from the game even if ot doesn't outright kill the player, it was banned due to "fun" reasons, it slowed games down to a grind or outright ended them right on the spot. - Kaalia is one of the most popular Commanders for a good reason it's one of the most played Commanders in the format, mana cheating is absolutely broken in magic, and there are both angels and dragons that let you attack multiple times. - Nekusar ruling is wrong it was changed years ago (around 8 years ago with the printing of Purphoros, God of the Forge) so that pretty much proved he doesn't know what he's talking about. Failed to mention that Historic is not just artifact matters, Legendary things are VERY VERY important, and check the historic box. Very very basic shit that he got wrong... Please get someone else next time since he's so bad at explaining the damn game.

Its always funny hearing him say stuff like "I assume theres a mill archetype in magic" when the very term came from a card from magic in the first place.

When he kept giving bad information I thought it couldn't possibly get worse but than he talked about Krenko like that.

I think this video would be better with Competitive Commanders

I am genuinely surprised that this MTG player doesn't really seem to know a whole lot about the format he is promoting. Evaluations wrong on cards, rules and mechanics wrong, and doesn't know how to pronounce the cards, just seems like a poor choice of guest.

Kaalia is a classic commander. She might not be the best anymore (or ever), but she'll always hold a special place in our hearts. Whether that place will be one of love or hate, it will depend on the person.

This was awsome, would love to see both more Noah and Mtg on the channel if it interests you Rarran.

Yeah km sorry to say but I think Noah did quite a bad job explaining what commander is. Like he got some rules wrong but things like explaining how commanders. Colours etc work probably made it quite difficult to play. Not trying to hate. Just gonna make it difficult for you rarran

There's plenty of mill in Commander. Maybe not CEDH, but that's like saying they aren't top legend viable. Milling can be a bad strategy, as there are graveyard recursion decks that treat their graveyard as basically a second hand. Self-milling is a lot more common, as said graveyard recursion decks often do that to have more resources. Also, the term "mill" _came_ from Magic. The original card that established the archetype is called Millstone, an artifact with the ability: "(2), tap: Target player puts the top two cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard." They even recently made "mill" into a keyword, so the most recent iteration says "Target player mills two cards".

Rarran I swear to god, do a "Hearthstone player rates Uno cards" video as a meme

Nekusar's ability damage DOES NOT count as commander damage for the purposes of that rule. It's only combat damage from commanders that counts. No excuses for Noah not knowing that. These are basic rules.

i love that format, but can we next time have someone in it, that actually knows magic?

12:28 Ability damage is not commander damage. Only combat damage.

Very entertaining video love the collab hope to see more in the future

Never would have expected to see these two boyos in one video. Excellent

Goblins? Not good? No good goblins? They are one of the most supported tribes in magic that all work off each other in an amazing way, there are goblin combos people run in not goblin decks how are goblins not good?

Emrakul is banned but probably could be unbanned because the format is a lot stronger, Kaalia doesn't need to generate resources because you need very few powerful cards off of her to win, Nekusar doesn't work with commander damage because commander damage is only combat damage, for the 5 color commanders you should have explained better that it's not that card to have all 5 colors, with Kenrith should have mentioned that there are multiple cards that discount his abilities and almost nobody plays him with less than 5 colors, Krenko is an amazing commander because goblins are one of the most supported tribes and because of that he is the most popular mono red commander, Kozilek is not used for voltron instead you play a lot of artifacts that add mana than refill your hand and next turn play your actually finishers and use him for protection, shouldn't have shown 2 partners of the same color, Sheoldred is a lot worse than you made her seem and you way overhyped Elesh Norn she is only average because most good cards for her are in other colors.

One aspect not mentioned about Kenrith and commander in general is the possibility of table politics. Because commander is a 4-player format, typically players will make deals with each each other to deal with a common enemy/threat, to get resources, or to stem damage. Kenrith allows you to help all players on the battlefield using his abilities, which enables the possibility of easily making deals. For example, you could make a deal like “I’ll buff your commander with +1/+1 counters if you don’t attack me with it for 5 turns.” Or “I can resurrect your creature if you use its ability to destroy that artifact.”

commander is the social contract mode of just getting cool cards and decks and people showing off their cool brews to each other.

Mill in magic is not the same as hearthstone unless you have graveyard removal. Some decks want to mill themselves. Also you can have more than seven in hand when it’s not your turn. You only discard on your turn

Important parts, Protection also lets it not be blocked by things. Creatures are also spells when cast. Not all creatures that are amazing in the deck is good as commanders. Everyone sees your commander, they can target/prepare for your Sheoldred.

Imagine having your guest describing OG Sheoldered perfectly, then trying to humble him by expressing its solely bad as a commander. Couldn't be me

These videos almost always let me down, noah did like a C- job providing context and evaluating cards.

Give him some actually bad commanders. Most of these are played at an above 20% play rate. Come on. Also this list is biased AF

As a commander player, this video has been kind of disappointing to me. Commander is extremely complicated and what is "good" is not obvious given the card pool and different styles of play. Commander is mainly a casual format, and most commanders shown here can be objectively good in the right circumstances. There are non-casual commander decks that win on turn 2 if left unchecked with a combo (these kind of decks are often called competitive commander, cEDH for short). This style of play is not very popular though, and surly is not something Noah plays. Also in my opinion explanation what commander is, rules around it and similar was not great. I think the video idea itself has potential though, and would love to see it with an expert in the field who can reference every aspect of what commander is

I absolutely love this video and the Colossal Dreadmaw part was fantastic!

"There is nothing your opponents can do about eminence..." Only a sith deals in absolutes *Stifles eminence trigger*

gotta hop in the comments as a magic player to say that while Noah seems like a super nice and enthusiastic dude, his analysis and understanding of EDH/Commander is really not that deep or insightful. His understanding of Kenrith and talking about "playing him as just the colors you want" shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how deck construction works. If you want to play White-Black Reanimator and use the graveyard as a resource, there are already 2-color commanders that fit that archetype and will be better than 10 mana reanimate (5 for Kenrith + 5 for ability cost). In other words, the whole point of Kenrith is that he IS a toolbox where you are SUPPOSED to run all 5 colors. tl;dr Playing Kenrith and not running 5 colors is either the sign of a total amateur or the sign of a super-enfranchised player trying to play around a bizarro theme/gimmick for personal satisfaction, and Noah doesn't seem good enough to be the second type of player