Hearthstone & Yugioh Player Tries To Guess How Good MTG Cards Are w/ Angus 

34:00 "but if you're blocking, you're not attacking, so why are you playing red?" Just a few games is enough for some things

In defense of Path to Exile, if it was reprinted into standard, it would absolutely warp the format

ive never heard of angus but now im a huge fan the way he spoke about his thought process always comparing it to something he knows in another game instead. I'm constantly doing this when i play a new game oh banish this is exile ect and it helps me learn alot faster

The classic old legendary was Tularian Academy. Even non-artifact based decks would run a single copy because if you got lucky and drew it you could completely shut down your opponent's entire deck by playing it.

He was really articulate. I hope he comes back for more!

Not a legendary rule per se, but my go-to example to how fun the "one copy on the battlefield" old rule was, is people using Jace v1 as a Jace v2 removal. You put Jace v1 into your deck because it was a decent card, but mostly because if you opponent ever played a Jace v2 you could just play your Jace v1 and "kill" their Jace v2 that way.

When it comes to legendary shenanigans from back in the day: I remember people used to ALWAYS run clone effects in Commander. Because along with it's obvious utility, any clone effect can also be treated as "Kill your opponent's commander."

31:16 I played Death's Shadow in Historic, and one of my favorite things to do was blocking creatures with Trample😂 If Death's Shadow is a 4/4, and you block a 6/6 trampler, you'll take 2 damage and Death's Shadow buffs itself before the state-based action that would kill it. The opponent is allowed to "overkill" the Death's Shadow to still kill it, but I feel a lot of people don't know that is something you can do, even if they have manual damage assignment turned on.

Even if it's a lie, if people try to metagame with the "Well, there hasn't been a bad card in a while...", just say you created a pool of cards and the ones you show were randomly chosen from the pool

"They're not gonna spend a lot of money on artwork for a card that's bad, right?" My guy needs to be introduced to Rebecca Guay.

Skullspore Nexus just makes Colossal Dreadmaw more broken.

6:10 Actually, for ward, it counters the spell unless the ward cost is paid, as such a cant be countered card or effect ignores ward. Honestly, it would be funny to trick someone by showing them ward first, explaining it properly, then showing them a removal spell that can't be countered.

This dude is smart, I love his breakdowns

Dang, you really threw Angus some seriously complex cards! Great job navigating around them!

2:40 This is Wastes erasure :(

My first thought with Death's Shadow was "This is just Kentragena then? Does it come with Death's Rexturm too?"

on the legend rule, I used to play a deck back in the day the put out multiple Kukusho, the evening star at the same time; nuking the opponent for 15 and gaining 15, and leaving a big angry flyer for them to deal with.... but not kill. fun times.

My favorite old legend rule story is Infect decks sideboarding a Melira so they could GSZ for it and kill enemy Meliras that the opponent sideboarded in.

When asked about the targeting effects w/ Path to Exile my brain said: He'd love Bogles 😂

Death Shadow is even played in Legacy, along stuff like Thoughtseize, Reanimate for Grief or Troll of Khazad-Dum, Snuff Out, and usually a Watery Grave among the Fetchtargets just to shock in when you need to.

I remember back when the legend rule was different. I was using vesuva to blow up my opponent's Karakas and Phantasmal Image to kill their creatures 😂

It might be more accurate to say that everything is an open game state in Magic, cause there's no activation windows, but I didn't really sit down to think about. Nice episode, I liked that guy even though he's British. :D

The other main reason you want basic lands is because theres no limit to how many can be in a deck. Non basic lands have to adhere to the playset limit of 4 copies of a card.

My best old rule legend story is probably playing a Kokusho when I already had one on board in CHK sealed. At this time you had to sac BOTH legends when the second was played. So, BOOM 10 to face GG.

My analysis so far: 1:15 this looks pretty good in the late game where removal is really important and lands aren’t as important you can play this to get rid of something big and annoying of your opponents. In the early game you can get rid of something of your own to speed up how fast you hit stages right? 12:14 surely this can be cheated out and protected if it can then it’s probably good. If it can’t then I’m going to say it is bad. But blue is the counter spell deck so probably good. (Damn it’s bad cause better options) 24:56 This looks good cause big extremely cheap body and only the last life matters but could be bad cause it’s bad to get too early… meh probably good. 32:02 I thought this was bad because it sounds unreliable but like if they are printing this and he’s showing it I swear it has to be good cause there’s enough draw power and spells to make it useable in some way. Last card is bad I mean you have to keep it on board and have a big monster and then as a matter of the monster dying you then get to regain what you lost in purely power in token form so unless you are playing token protection games with everything else you’re probably going to want to protect the monster on the field with all its effects and everything rather than the token with just attack values. And if you are playing token protection games it doesn’t synergise cause it doesn’t remake dying tokens.

Back in OG Kamigawa Block, I would play a deck with Kokusho, the Evening Star. Kokusho is a 5/5 flying dragon and with a leaves the battlefield effect where opponent loses 5 life. Basically play a Kokusho, attack next turn for 5 damage then play another Kokusho and, due to old Legend Rule, then both Kokushos die and opponent loses 10 life. A bit slow for Standard or Extended, but was fairly decent in Block Constructed.

Voja, the big cat. lol

I actually can't remember if a Yu-Gi-Oh player was ever looked at a card like brainstorm or anything that's just pure card selection like Opt, Preordain, or Serum Visions. But instead of putting it to the top you just always had to put it to the bottom.

I liked his analysis and how much he thought things out

13:57 Lol - I never realized that Kiora Bests the Sea God tapped enchantments. 😂

40:50 I maindecked two Jace Beleren, because the CawBlade mirror was so common. And since Beleren was only three mana, I got it down first. 😂

Ah, and there I was a believer in the Englishman selfaware enough to main Priest.

I managed to "legend rule" someone in draft before they changed the rules. Back in Scars of Mirroden draft, my opponent played Karn Liberated and I top-decked my own copy to deal with it after they left their creatures back to block.

40:45 Not really "crazy", but the last time I really played Standard was Zendikar/Scars of Mirrodin. Jace The Mind Sculptor was well established at that point (but before CawBlade really took over), and I didn't have the budget to buy any copies. But I did have 4 copies of Jace Beleren which were only a few bucks at the time (with JTMS being ~$50). If I got Beleren down first, it meant the first JTMS my opponent played just destroyed my Beleren, or my Beleren was a Hero's Downfall if they got JTMS down first. I had a kinda janky UR control deck that I only played for a few months, but I was Flawless in matches against JTMS decks that whole run using that "Planeswalker Uniqueness" rule.

As a creature player, it's hard to swallow Skullspore Nexus being bad. I don't doubt it, it's just, I see it as anti-removal: my opponent needs 2 kill cards for everything I summon, which, in most card games I've tried, removal seems very heavy. But I guess, if removal is heavy, then I wait too long with it in hand, as said, when I could have something that would turn it around, Thorn Lieutenent, etc.

dying at 20:40 “it’s in my English heritage”

Ah, i remember the days when i ran a one of Umezeawa's jitte in legacy combo elves just to legend rule death and taxes or stoneblades own jitte, good times

I loved kiora bests the sea god back when the tibalt counterspell was legal, just counter my own 1 drop on turn 3 to play an 8/8 hexproof. Then next turn be guranteed to get in. Then the turn after take my opponents best thing. That whole deck was such a scam. I guess technically the deck is still legal in historic, and even gets throes of chaos as well.

42:28 The Skullspore Nexus, “It costs nothing.” That’s because it does NOTHING. 😂

Over 10 minutes of discussion for each card is crazy. Love these kinds of videos but this pacing is tough for me to digest. Maybe put a 3 minute timer on them until making them guess.

“Not dying is better than dying,” is the motto of every control deck player. 😂

We couldnt afford the mind sculpter so we played jace beleren to awnser it.

27:47 You got a link to that Twitter?

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... Imma take blind guesses as a Yu-Gi-Oh player along with the video... So... Expect this post to get edited like 50 times... Unless this gets pinned. Here I go: 1:15 Uhh... Looks ok. It's probably terrible to play very early, but is a way to delete a creature late in the game. But the free land search is a potential reason this card may be considered somewhat bad. 12:14 Ah, shoot one of these guys. This seems decent, at first... It's highly dependent on facing an opponent with permanents on board. The 8/8 hexproof token is ok. But looking at the mana cost... Seems like a high investment on a situational few effects. Like, I feel like you could use all that mana to summon a creature and put down your own desired permanent rather than worry about taking your opponent's. Imma guess it's not good... Unless this thing like flips over and apparently transforms into Exodia. 24:56 This is funny. It reminds me of Gren Maju... Except I feel like Gren Maju functions better. So, unless there's a way to Skill Drain this card... It's a funny gimmick, but highly vulnerable. (Sounds like I was possibly wrong about this due to how Black just progressively shoots itself.) 32:02 This seems ok, except they've mentioned Fireball like 4 times in the last card... So... It's sorta like a creature 3 mana fireball. Though it comes back each combat. Since you can re-use it each combat, Imma say it's good. 39:56 This card seems insane. If you happen to have a big beat stick you play this for free and if that big beat stick dies you get another. And for 2 mana that first beat stick could be double power and attack for game, which if it dies creates a token of equal power... Unless it only accounts for the creature's original power/tough. But still. It's free on a hypothetical 8+ and for 2 mana doubles that. (Mk, I got the play cost wrong... But still pretty cheap for 2 mana to play and 2 mana for a swing for game attempt. And apparently it's bad. I guess I can see that it's sort of like an equip spell in Yu-Gi-Oh, where even if it's good you need to be sure it's target is safe to be equipped to as well.)

Emergent ultimatum would still play kiora bests the sea god... if it didnt have a literal combo kill thats more consistent, resilient and almost deterministic

Gamble in arclight phoenix makes it so good

people always try to make it more complicated than it it. can you buff a creature, sure i can put ax of despair on apolusa to get 1 extra negate, but thats not how you in any card game ever evaluate cards. if the card itself isn'T saying do that, it probably is good to assume that these effects might as well don#t exist

Tapping is such a weird thing to me, what does it mean? Just "activate" it?

Wastes are also basic lands, btw.

I mean... not to start beef either, and im no expert on YGO because its been decades since ive seriously played. But, does YGO really have more decisions? To me, it seems like you can be a lot more creative in the deckbuilding in Magic, which requires a ton of decisions as to what can accomplish best what you are trying to do. It seems like in YGO you get pushed into a few archetypes which are good at the time, which are pre-built by Konami, so while you could combine a couple archetypes together, for example, you aren't really going to be building a deck from scratch like you would in Magic. Plus with the added number of cards to choose from... it can be really tough to narrow down what cards you need in your deck. Depending on what format youre playing. And im absolutely not saying that people dont just copy a decklist of an archetype in magic because obviously they do. But to me it seems like you are mostly forced into that in YGO where in Magic. You can use a decklist if you want, or you can build a deck from scratch that is totally creative and has strange interactions. Most of the interactions i see in YGO are how to tutor more things. The cards read pretty similar TBH. Again, maybe im way off, Im no expert, thats just my perception. Would be interested to hear from you since you know both games. And of course Im sure it depends on archetype to an extent, im sure both in Magic and YGO there are decks that basically play themselves, and other decks that are hard to pilot. But i will just say... I have built some decks that are so complicated in commander that when i was learning them, it would take me 5 minutes to take my turn, just considering the sheer complexity and number of options available to me, and trying to calculate out which would be better. Not like im taking a million actions but just weighing the pros and cons of a few different options and how they would play out. Not saying its not the case in YGO because i simply dont know. But i think MTG was named by MIT who did a study on games as being mathematically the most complex game in existence. Im definitely not trying to be like MTG cool YGO dumb, the reason i watch these videos is because I am fascinated by YGO and how it compares to Magic. Im just honestly curious as to what you meant about there being more decisions. If you can convince me, maybe ill finally get around to playing it 😂

Going to once again recommend giving someone Doomsday. Fun video. Lots of interesting cards.

skullspore nexus feel like supply squad from yugioh except instead of card draw you get a token. no way its good...also supply squad has no cost cus yugioh

So when are we getting a pokemon tcg player for one of these?? 😂 or did i miss it?

"There wasn't a ygo client" DUELLING BOOK HELLO

How hard is it to send a card from deck to gy? Hard. I feel like the context around the Phoenix was a bit misrepresented

I promise it's not a flame, I love how you said "either pretty good or pretty bad so I don't get flamed in the comments" and you start with the removal spell that's controversial because it used to be great but got kicked out of all the formats that are not commander like come on man 😂

2:05 technilcy alough not super relevant you do need Wight in your commander for commander format to play swords to plow but that's sorta irrelevant 4:13 yes 99 times out of 100 true unless a card says otherwise see omnath (the pyrexain one) otherwise great video

It's so weird seeing stuff like this from the perspective of a commander player lol. Because things like path are just...ubiquitous staples. Basically every white deck runs it, because when games run late like in commander, that land is worthless.

The Skullspore nexus is not "bad" it's kinda unfair. It's just to slow for the actual standard. Maybe in the first Ixalan block that would be played. At least it's average. What makes me think that it's the price. The card worth more than the actual "bad mythics" who sell 1 dollar max ^^

"I do have a bit of history in Hearthstone as well so im familiar with the concept of things like ramp." Like walking into your house and insulting you lol. Should have told him about Rampant Growth being the reason.

Every time I see Jitte i am reminded that the addage my brain still thinks is relevant no longer is true: "the best Jitte removsl is a Jitte". Eh, this was the best of times. Today magic is crap xd

Were about 10 mins into the video and hes still trying to figure out if the first card is good. Pick up the pace my guy.

I'm not a huge fan of the patreon videos, as I always doubt people saying they don't understand the games and whatnot, you should title the videos as patreon videos so that those that share my opinion can avoid them.

"Does the Avatar give it a special ability?" They used to have a creature type with rules text but it was stupid and they always put it in the textbox anyway so they eventually keyworded it so now non-Walls can also not attack I wasn't around for Masques Block but I've always heard Lin-Sivvi is the silliest thing from the original Legend rule and is specifically noted as a reason it got changed. I couldn't remember if Skullspore is a good card or a card I want to play because its cool