Her Modeling Agency Dumped Her, So She Drops the Truth on Them: Charli Howard 

Literally... I want her outfit coz it looks good

Yep...

+Devon Wayne your comment confuses me greatly

+artsylovelylady that's exactly what modelling is all about but nowadays it seems to be focused more on body image than promoting fashion

+DARYUS KOBRA I think body image is just used as a way to attract peoples attention to the clothing items. Like, if someone saw a model with a certain body type they would like to have, they would subconsciously want to wear their outfit, thinking they would look like the model.

She's a cold drink in the middle of the desert!

ha ha, good analogy!

I agree with the girl who complimented her: she is very smart.

yess

exactly my thoughts

Julia Borowicz That's what I've been thinking for the whole video! :)

I was thinking she looked like Emma Watson but now that you mention it I totally see Lily Collin's omg

Julia Borowicz She also looks like Rose McGowan Before she Had all the Surgerys

Vogue models don't get paid shit

+Sergio Perez dis

Veronica Reed vouge models do get paid a lot wtf ru talking about

harryskittyz no they don't...

they do though

*They're

alien no one likes a grammar nazi

shamless b same but I'm just the in between shade 😂

shamless b same they're both so ethereal

Luna how did you get so many views on your videos?

Bella Rodriguez lovely

Words, words, words. Exactly

Sorcell ikr she's so beautifull the way she is

Thin girls can be curvy too. But to say anyone is thinner is a model is insane.

She’s a lot curvier now

@J Dogg I agree and it's so sad that these designers don't even bother designing clothing for actual grown women but instead demand the models look a certain way so they can make 1 shape when they design

They literally want them to be anorexic as long as it gets them the body

I completely agree if I had a modeling agency I would want her just the way she is and if she gained any weight I would still want her just the way she becomes. I've done modeling but I was never forced to lose weight.

+Harriet Kenyon British beauty !!! :)

that´s sad to think she has the most beautiful face, everyone has their own beauty

+Graziela Almeida Yes they do, I don't think she has 'the most' beautiful face literally, because how can anyone be 'the most' beautiful? I was just exaggerating the fact I think her features are stunning, which they are.

I found her mind, strength, and inner character to be vastly more gorgeous.

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Aw, I'm so sorry to hear about that. I'm glad that you're feeling confident again, though! :))

Heartless. What happened states more about the agency, and those who work for them, than anything else. I would have to find another job if asked to do such a thing.

And what does it state about the agency, you socialist? It states what everybody should know - it's a business. Businesses are there to make money. They have the right to take their own decisions about what is profitable for them. The do not OWE anyone anything. If you become a burden for them, they are entitled to let you go. They have no obligations to take care of you. They employ you to make money for them. Everything else is disgusting socialism - making people live and work in the name of others.

healthy and happy employees are ones that are going to be more productive, bringing your business more money.

Ankh Holk You're truly a blind, sad person. I feel so bad for you. You've drank so much bull shit and now shit on others instead of having human traits of compassion and empathy. It's been beaten out of you. I'm so sorry.

+Yasmin is it less sad for a non-beautiful girl to be unsure of herself?

+Stones Jones this may sound fake but i actually think everyone is beautiful in their own way

Anika Aishani I dont think so, i think a lot of people are ugly ..and im talking about their inside. The only part a person can really do something about. I would never look down on a person with less superficial beauty.. Ive known model girls , hot chicks etc..that were beautiful but after a conversation or two..the whole attraction is gone for me. Lotta dudes dont give a fuck.. I dont understand how.. Anyway only shit that lasts is being a real person, sincere, authentic and real. being good and real is beauty to me.

Stones Jones i meant to say i think everyones beautiful on the outside to me....ofc there are people i find ugly on the inside...

Anika Aishani word. yeah I think the word 'beauty' needs to be addressed to the depth of the word, meaning its bigger than being pretty. Thats why I reacted and also wanted to share my opinion. ;)

+Sophia Lin It's a bit of a weird one that, because at uni and in industry the sample size is equivalent about a UK8/10 and 34B, which on women of an average height isn't particularly small, but because they want really tall women it can then become unhealthy (ofc not always). As the purpose of sample garments in sample size is to communicate between factory and designer and create a garment which sells on the average sized market, special 'tall' fitting garments aren't made for the models, so an 8-10 kind of cuts their losses. Because it's such a globalised and unregulated industry changing the sample size would be really 'confusing' for garment manufacturers and everybody's computer system and basically the industry agrees it would be too much hassle. Remember this is the same industry which also thinks its too much hassle to take responsibility for conditions for workers in the factories which produce their clothes and textiles soooo we can't expect much from them. If that sounded like I was defending the way the fashion industry works, I'm 100% not because so much of it is so wrong, but paths were set in motion years ago and now 1 in 6 workers globally are employed by the fashion sector and it almost seems to late to change things

+michelleb96 UK 8-10? O.o .. I would say UK 4-6 -max 8... When I was 6 they still wanted me to lose weight and get smaller hips.. but you are right that it would look normal on women with average height

+michelleb96 A size 8 is pretty slim on an average size woman, or even a smaller woman- but in no way unhealthy or too "thin".

Lara0076 Really? That's awful, I'm doing design at uni so that's what we're taught but maybe because I do underwear/swimwear design we work to slightly larger sizes than fashion

Beraud I think in general, and I'm not saying this applies to everyone, but in my experience shorter women tend to be more likely to have naturally have smaller measurements than taller women, because people's measurements sort of go up in proportion to their height, but again, I'm stressing that it's a really broad generalisation. So In a way, you're more likely to be able to be able to be healthy and have small measurements as a short woman so that problem could be improved, but like Charli said in the video, the main issue is the attitude towards measurements by the designers, agents and so on.

+Nicole It's vintage (she got it from her mom)

+StyleLikeU That's the ugliest effing coat i have ever seen... (I'm actually joking though....mean girls)

+Yummy Sounds bahahahaha

+Nicole I was more thinking: "WHERE IS HER NECKLACE FROM?!" :D

+StyleLikeU Seriously, where is her necklace from?? :D It's beautiful!

+lennie pd plus a little bit like cher lloyd:p

I thought she kind of looked like Helena Bonham Carter too!

She reminds me of Cher Lloyd

Yes!

Aye.

What hit me like a truck about that question was that my answer immediately was "after resisting the will to eat". The only time I feel beautiful is when i'm starving.

+Mime That must be really hard to deal with :( Its so easy to think and then believe that certain things will make you beautiful. You are worth more than gold and more precious than diamonds tbh xxx hope you find some peace with yourself xxx

+Mime me too

***** What's your problem?

That's really beautiful. You are Love. We all are.

Not on the runway they can't though.

+kyle nicholson Retouching takes people, time and money. Plus they can't retouch the runway.

Why do they need to lose 2 inches though when they're already skinny

Sarah Barabe models aren't meant to be pretty body wise- they're meant to have bodies that show off the clothes so the clothes hang off the bodies. That's it. They aren't really looked at as humans in that sense.

@@moonlace1560 That does not make me any happier with the industry. That sounds abusive, to reduce the humanity of a living, breathing being down to that of a clothing hanger.

+The Rice Frame of Mind Same. I weighed 104 and was told I had to drop another 10 to get rid of my "beer gut" or else I'd be dropped from the label. I am truly sorry for what you had to go through.

a top modeling agency employed a sexual predator? That doesn't sound right.

Yep, I know right. They obviously didn't CRB check him, which is just crazy. There needs to be laws that force agencies to check this, if there isn't already!!

+The Rice Frame of Mind Only if you are comfortable with this, you should make a video about this, including the photographer rapist, and what you think needs to be done. You will get your message out there, and influence young girls for the better!!! Durianrider would be all over it, if you do make this video, be sure to reach out to him and let him know, he will def. promote your channel and content, considering your past and your strong message. I love your username by the way - it describes the HCLF plant based eating lifestyle perfectly and simply. It's wonderful that you managed to escape that toxic industry.

+The Rice Frame of Mind please make a story time video of this. it needs to be shared

+Carla Fledelius The industry will never change for the people because it is not supposed to be a reflection of what the norm represents. Skinny (not anorexic) is what is most attractive for fashion since its more flexible and artistically maleable and the modeling industry knows that, and since they want to make profit then what else to expect from fashion companies and modeling agencies to put standards that are above of what most people desire. People have NO right to complain when they know what the requirements are, this girl wouldn't even be "exposing" the fashion industry if she held success and had a relatively better experience than what she had. She's just trying to make up for her failure and the emotions that came from her experience. I know it is a bit uncompassionate to say that, but that is the reality of the situation.

***** It's the same concept; don't enter a job field in which you know you may not handle because of the required standards.

I believe the question is more complex then that Phil McCuckly. Many models are handpicked when they are very young (around 15). That's a age when the societys and the surrounding have a lot of influens in creating opinions and values. I don't think that anybody easily can avoid getting eatingdisorders when constantly getting measured and compared, especially at a young age like that. Therefore we shouldn't blame these young girls and boys for getting mentalproblems when the root of the problems lies within the industry. Ofcourse the industry will change if the people whant it to. The industry only whants to make a great profit by showing what they think we consumers whant to se, so if we all fight and stand up for this problem the industry will have to listen...

Carla Fledelius if you want to change the industry , try to deal with your insecurities first and change the standard. and you will see the industry change their track. industries are just the reflect the society ...

Carla Fledelius why hire a model just to change them?

I don't think its ethical to use human beings when all you're looking for is a clothing rack. Also, I get the point is to see the clothes, but how do you expect those clothes to sell when the consumers who have different and diverse body types can't even see what the clothes will look like on them? How do we even know that the designers are able to design properly fitting clothes for other body types? No wonder nothing ever fits properly 🙄

Exactly !

It's called a job, it's being a professional..... Every doctor starts by wiping his 1st ass..... Every job sucks, the trick is to get 1 you want to do.. Truth is 90% of all Models, think like this girl.. The guys she said with chiseled abs , "CLUE" they work out and try hard... Dont be lazy and give 120% no matter what you do

@@sarahbarabe8470 wow this is a serious 1st world problem

@@thebutler7284 why not 121%? Or 132%? Or 157%?

+libfuzzy OMG, xDDDDDDDD I would find you here. NAOMI

+Mochi wait who is this?? lol

Paola :P Hahahha. Did that freak you out a bit?

+Mochi lol omgsh yeah, i was like "who the heck is mochi!!" xD

libfuzzy q

She's a beautiful, agreed. Yet again & again comments say she "looks like" Emma Watson, Keira Knightley, a young Helena Bonham-Carter, etc, that means she is *a certain type* of beautiful, rather than "most" beautiful.

@@TheEmadia 🧐

voldemort top models actually tend to be quite intelligent because most agencies want to have models with a degree and such, but I understand what you mean. You also usually don't hear their opinions since they don't really speak out :|

I mean will a model be curing cancer, probably not. But there are different kinds of intelligence. Most successful models have to be quite well spoken and business savvy...

then you haven't seen many :)

@@annaflore7098 "most agencies want to have models with a degree" not at all true.

Lindsey Scott who modeled for Victoria's Secret is a software engineer and can code in 5 different languages. A model I know, just did a campaign for H&M, some work in Greece and China, has graduated medical school. There are tons of smart models. People just don't want to see them as smart.

+annarchy actually, I think she is still at a healthy weight, she just has a small frame.

I hate it when people think that just because someone is thinner than the next that they are underweight! I'm sure she eats perfectly healthy , and I'm sure she has a fast metabolism which means she wouldn't put on a lot of weight. Just because someone is thinner it DOES NOT mean they are underweight.

Maybe before she got out of modelling she was less healthy, but now I'm sure she's fine

annarchy i'm skinny too. I eat healthy and i don't have underweight but because i'm very long (1.78 or something) it looks like I have underweight. But just because someone looks skinny doesn't mean theyre underweight damn

She is not underweight and saying her underweight is as bad as saying she is fat/ plus size. You are beautiful no matter what size you are. You are who you are and that is beauty!

So are your hemorrhoids.

spooky dun your profile pic is 👌

+Bibishbiba your English is perfect!

beauty isn't measured by what you look like

cvetko jovcevski Bravooooo!

cvetko jovcevski this makes no sense

+Watch out for Regina George it means that beauty comes from the inside! Not the outside! I mean, how shallow must you be to not understand that..

E Visser lol shut up you don't know me. How ugly must you be to believe that beauty from the inside matters. shallow my ass

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the thing is that models define what young girls think is beautiful. they want to look just like them, which is mostly unrealistic. so if models looked more like the people you see every day on the street - the people who are going to wear all these clothes in the end! - we would all feel much better about our bodies.

+PeepsILoveEllie But models DO look like every day people. You don't really get to define what an "everyday person" is just because they don't look like YOUR personal interpretation. There are just as many girls who are thin and tall as there are girls who are short and voluptuous... and they all have opportunities to model if they choose to in different markets. Also, model's are only one tiny element of what "defines" beautiful to young girls and their representation is decreasing rapidly. It's not 1992 anymore, the super model thing is long dead. Young girls now look to celebrities, singers and youtube personalities for "what is beautiful". Seriously, name me 10 "super models" that have any clout with teens today... I promise you they are too busy idolizing Taylor Swift and Ariana Grande to worry about if they look like runway girl #6. But let's be real, it's not the modeling industries job to help you feel better about yourself. Their job is to make and sell clothes. Fashion shows and photographs are an art display, not a platform for your self image issues. You need to be okay with who you are because YOU love YOURSELF not because someone else has to tell you you are beautiful.

GoreGirlNK of course a lot of people are tall and thin, but that's not what makes you a model. models severely limit their food intake and a lot of them even starve themselves. they do this just so they can be models - just so they can sell clothes to the people of which the majority will never be as skinny as them. doesn't make sense to me! you are right about the fact that celebrities have more influence on young people than models these days. but to them, you can apply the same formula. most of them are doing as much as they can to stay thin so they fit in with the norm of what's beautiful. same as models do, just not that crass. they won't lose their jobs if they weigh more, but their management will urgently recommend to stop gaining weight. yes, it's the modelling industry's job to make and sell clothes. but why do almost all of them display only one body type - tall and skinny? because it's that kind of body that is considered beautiful in our society, therefore labelling all other bodies "not good enough". you're a bit harsh, don't you think? where do you think that self image issues come from? from a society that clearly puts one body type over all others. and the modelling industry plays a big part in promoting that kind of body image. if you cannot see that it's hard to be happy with a body that isn't seen as beautiful by the media and therefore society, then you're kind of oblivious. and while models are no longer personal idols and, like you say, their names aren't even super well known, their images are still everywhere - on TV, in magazines, at the bus stop. the modelling industry - just like Hollywood, youth magazines, the music scene, you name it ... - has a lot of power in what they promote, and instead of promoting diversity, they stick to the same old "white, tall and skinny". I'm tired of the media displaying zero diversity and then yelling "oh please" at everyone who does not love themselves, blaming them for not loving themselves even though the society at large clearly doesn't love them either. and yes, there are great developments that have happened over the past few decades/years - I am aware of that and that is super great! but we are nowhere where we should be, there is a lot of work left and a lot of awareness to be raised.

"of course a lot of people are tall and thin, but that's not what makes you a model." Well, technically that IS what makes you eligible to be a model, then the ability to model the clothes professionally solidifies it. "Models severely limit their food intake and a lot of them even starve themselves. they do this just so they can be models - just so they can sell clothes to the people of which the majority will never be as skinny as them." Yes and no. Some models do this, yes. And that should never be the case, however a majority of models achieve their form either naturally or through healthy diet and exercise. They need to train like athletes and fit models.. the smart ones dedicated to their career do so in a healthy manner. Examples: www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/advice/g3444/9-runway-models-diets/ "Most of them are doing as much as they can to stay thin so they fit in with the norm of what's beautiful." Why is thin and fit not a reasonable goal for a woman? Thin and fit is also healthy. Why is dedication to a body one chooses to be proud of such a threat to other women? That's an unfair judgement and really selfish. A models body and a clothing designed choice of what body type he/she feels best displays the clothing isn't about you. It's about the clothing. "Therefore labelling all other bodies "not good enough"" Hmm, I guess I don't see other peoples aesthetic choices as victimizing me... I am not a victim of society, I have no apologies to make for my body type... should I be mad at sports because I wasn't born as strong as a man and can't play football without injury? No. That's silly... I'm not going to ask the NFL to change their roster requirements to accommodate me because the sport isn't about me. I'm not so entitled as to think the world owes me consideration like that. "Where do you think that self image issues come from? ...from a society that clearly puts one body type over all others." Self image issues.. come from SELF. If you need "society" to validate your worth then you have a bigger problem then the modeling industry. This, "what about me" trend is creating a bunch of very dependent people who have no drive to make their own future. It's not the job of other people to make you a happy healthy minded person, that is your responsibility. You want to see changes, make them for yourself. Stop watching fashion shows, stop buying magazines, stop idolizing celebrities. Ta-da, you've instantly removed "society" from your radar and can carry on enjoying who you are without the negative influence you feel is affecting you so deeply. "If you cannot see that it's hard to be happy with a body that isn't seen as beautiful by the media and therefore society.." Really? You need the media to tell you your pretty. That's about a shallow and vapid as it gets. If you are that concerned with your looks versus who you are and what wonderful things live inside you then you deserve to feel horrible for your idolization of such surface bullshit. You realize that your body and face are only at it's peak for a short while right? That soon enough you'll be full of wrinkles and sagging parts.. and this shallow pursuit of "pretty" will have NO baring on who you were. I mean seriously how can you be this superficial? Beauty by any standards is the least important value to be concerned with... "Instead of promoting diversity, they stick to the same old "white, tall and skinny". I'm tired of the media displaying zero diversity and then yelling "oh please" at everyone who does not love themselves, blaming them for not loving themselves even though the society at large clearly doesn't love them either." That might be the biggest load of bullshit I've ever read. Please review: www.google.com/search?q=models+of+color&espv=2&biw=1343&bih=739&site=webhp&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2gKGwuZvNAhUOVFIKHW4GCiIQsAQIIg I haven't seen a runway show in years that didn't have a rainbow of color representation. I will agree that film needs to catch up with television in terms of A list lead actor talent, but the modeling industry is teaming with women of all colors... in fact they've become the coveted face for quite a few designers. Now in terms of body diversity... do you even follow fashion or film? www.google.com/search?q=plus+size+runway&espv=2&biw=1343&bih=739&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj_lvC4upvNAhUXLlIKHZl0Au4QsAQIGw www.google.com/search?q=plus+size+actresses&espv=2&biw=1343&bih=739&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjZlOrlupvNAhVIK1IKHVbRCIkQ_AUIBigB These women aren't "real" enough for you? The standard of beauty is purely in your head NOT in society. Voluptuous women have been fawned over for decades. Marilyn Monroe, Betty Page, Christina Hendricks, Kim Kardashian, Drew Barrymore, Jennifer Lawrence, Selma Hayek, Kat Dennings, Kate Upton... the list goes on. The boobless buttless girl you seem to THINK society idolizes isn't the standard for beauty my friend... like I said initially, they are COAT HANGERS. Men don't hang pictures of runway model "Romy Schonberger" on their walls they hang photos of Scarlett Johansson or Kate Upton and Emma Watson (who were both listed as in the top 20 most beautiful women of 2015). In fact none of the women on the list were runway models, stick thin or anorexic. So it appears YOUR judgement of societies standards are wrong. And finally, let me explain the purpose of runway/fashion to you. Before retail is even a consideration Fashion is art, the clothes that come from most high end designers are RARELY meant for mass market. This is why they are priced at hundreds to thousands of dollars. Like art, fashion is often an exclusivity.. a thing to be looked at and admired but not necessarily owned by the general public. The design elements and colors are later trickled down to your regular shopper department stores but not directly from the runway so essentially those designs are NOT for you but to inspire your shopping choices at the local Nordstroms. So no YOU are't the audience the designer is hoping will purchase his/her designs. The designer makes clothes for the elite, the wealthy, the magazine editors, the decision makers, and prominent influencers in fashion. YOU are not any of those. A designer doesn't need to show how an outfit looks on a size 12 because you and I are not his demographic. A size 0 model allows the clothing to hang as it would in a store without obstruction.. this is essentially the purpose of runway, to see the clothing on a walking hanger. NOT to see how it fits different body types. ALL that said, size '0' runway isn't the only runway. There are just as many designers that catwalk all sizes. Examples are Mark Fast, Michael Kors, Vera Wang, Calvin Kline, Christian Serriano, Ralph Lauren.. the list goes on. Ashley Grahm is a beautiful girl who's graced the covers of both Elle and Sports Illustrated same with Melissa McCarthy, Adele, Rebel Wilson, Leslie Jones, Gabrielle Sidbe, and more. You are ignoring the diversity for the one niche you don't agree with and that's both unfair and shaming to the girls you call "Not real representations of women". How about you concern yourself with how to be happy in your skin and let them be happy in theirs without all of this "woe is me I'm not considered pretty by a room of people I don't know" muck that is completely irrelevant to who anyone is as a human being.

+GoreGirlNK Models are almost always unhealthy and too thin. Being thin like a model isn't reasonable because it isn't healthy. Athletes have to be very fit and muscular, and we do blame the sports industry for athletes use of steroids, so why wouldn't we blame the modelling industry for models use of starvation?

me too cuz i thought she looked better without it i was like woaaah lol shes so beautiful

+Memo Shmo Exactly. Models are just "living" mannequins!

Yes, of course it's a model's job to look a certain way. They want girls who will look great and sell the product. It's understandable for an agency to only hire very beautiful girls, or to not to hire girls who are over weight- but asking girls who are already thin to lose weight is highly unethical. This model is obviously already underweight (not that I'm saying that's bad. She's clearly just naturally thin, and I've no doubt she's healthy at this weight.) and losing weight could mean very serious health complications for her- especially being asked to lose weight that quickly, something that could only be achieved with unnatural starvation. I understand why agencies feel like they need to make these demands. I know it's a cut throat industry and the industry standard is very thin girls, but just because it's normal doesn't make it any less abhorrent. Modelling is part of big business, but models are still people, and need to be respected as such.

Bronte Calligaro I also think it is highly unethical to require an unhealthy weight in order to get a job. Although there is a lot of publicity on the dark side of modelling, I think I have an obligation to say that this isn't true about a vast majority of agencies, being a model myself. I also would like to add that I know overweight models. Because they have "realistic body types", they get a fair amount of bookings. Which I'm very happy about, because it encourages other overweight people to actually try new things as well. Anyway, just my opinion, do what makes you happy. If you're not happy quit and do something else. yah?

+Ravyn Skye Well that just goes to show why it's a bad idea to do it. Modeling, to me, is basically like a genetic lottery. It can only be enjoyable when you're extraordinarily beautiful, have an extremely thin body with the right composition naturally, but above all have a support system in your family and your agency. When one of those things is missing, modeling is hell on earth

Elin Tilia - I've never seen an agency as a support system. And modeling is no more enjoyable for the extraordinarily beautiful... There's a TEDx talk from Cameron Russel on that. Modeling makes EVERYONE feel like shit sometimes. And yes, I did permanent damage to my heart and kidneys and liver from not eating. 300 calories a day is a lot to me. I only ate every 3 days, and took tons of Topamax to make myself not feel hungry... up to 600mg/day. My agencies had DOCTORS in their pockets they'd send you to if you didn't make weight/measurements.

+Ravyn Skye Wow, that's horrific. I can't even understand how they got away with it. Just goes to show how toxic the industry is. I saw Cameron Russel's TEDx talk and she made good points about how warped it is even for someone like her. But for someone like you and Charlie, every moment spent in the industry is like climbing the mount everest: you're dying the entire time you're there. The key is getting out before you succumb to it. Glad to hear you're an ex model and that you're recovering.

Are you the one who writes amazing inuyasha? ^^

Hanapetals - Yes, that's me. I'm the Sess/Rin writer. ^_^

Natalie Grace Thats deep

AD Vad *thicc

That's for models who do catwalk only.

Lou # this is called knwing what is right and wrong.doind the wrong in favour of money and fame.later repenting it

Not to mention the false sense of reality issue. Telling people they are something they arent just to appease them is unhealthy.

Lou # suck it

Jack Hagan some genuinely are but majority of em keep doing it for achieving fame

I totally get where this comment is coming from. insta models are #goals to young girls, who dream of becoming models. they never talk about the industry until they're past their prime.

Yes! And as great and encouraging as it is to see confident people, she is so much more realistic to some of us. And we can see her beauty; I hope we can see our own sometime