History After the Flood: Clues from World Mythology (w/ Kenneth Griffith) 

How can I get in contact with Ken?

Pretty sure Fr. deYoung has a good bit of antipathy for chronological revisionism.

Thank you for your veracity. This is a fascinating body of work and research that really integrates and echos reality-and even the narrative of Revelation. This leads me to believe it’s true in some/many senses. Your work here would be a good intro to Orthodoxy for our YEC friends in enlightenment Protestant circles. TO repeat another, Fr. Stephen DeYoung may be a good follow up choice for dialogue!

@@Илья́Впрямь I would certainly be open to such a discussion. I am not familiar with Fr. DeYoung.

@@KennethGriffith_International Hi there! In multiple videos on this channel papers written by you where cited, would you be so helpful as to provide me with a link to them?

Would explain Royal Egyptian incest and how Greeks found it abhorrent that a man marry his mother, let alone a mortal king

+Ldad27 Leviticus 20 also mentions how [in the Mosaic age] seeing one's nakedness, for example, between brother and sister, is a incestous relationship. Same word used in Genesis 9. So, it not only has to do with physical nakedness, but an attempt of coup on the part of Ham by raping his own mother. Noah's Sabbatic rest on a mountain (at least the tent of Noah symbolizing the Tent of Meeting, architechtural version of a holy mountain, as Noah's ark lands on the mountains in the same context) is also in contrast with the false Sabbath that Lot experienced by his daughters in a cave of a mountain (under the earth) after the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, another flood-like event.

​@@Joe-sg9ll what the bible teaches and especially in the old Testament things happend literally. If we look at everything as Symbolic and metaphorical then what really happened in the old Testament. There is then not even the fall of Adam then and why did Christ come to this world maybe that is also Symbolic and mtepahorically. This approach of scripture is completely wrong. In my view as the saints saw it was historically and symbolically. Both at the same time. That's one of the many beauties of orthodoxy.

All this reminds me of a short story I recently read by Gene Wolfe, a Roman Catholic writer of speculative fiction. The story is called "The Eyeflash Miracles" and cleverly ties together Christian imagery & themes, Hindu figures & ideas (particularly focusing on Krishna), and - of all things - characters from the Oz books! Interesting parallels between Christ, Krishna, and the protagonist of the story.

The two faces of Janus looked back to the Prediluvian World and forward to the Postdiluvian World.

The polyploidy connection to polydactyly will require a second episode, perhaps just about the Nephilim topic. Also, the Phoenician theogony of Sanchoniathon grafts in Abraham, because it literally says that Kronos sacrificed his own son and then started the practice of circumcision. It appears that the Tyrians had syncretized Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac on Mt. Moriah with Kronos from the Greek pantheon. The Canaanites apparently missed the point of Isaac's sacrifice being substituted by a ram. This led to the Canaanite belief that the sacrifice of the firstborn son was the one the gods were most pleased with.

​@KennethGriffith_International I wonder how the tradition about the Binding of Isaac would reach Sanchianthon around Gideon's time. Also, would it be more likely that if the Binding tradition was syncretized with already existing human sacrifice among the Canaanites instead of it being the origin?

@@patroclus6892 Sanconiathon was a priest of Tyre which was founded circa 1251 BC shortly after Gideon's victory over the Midianites, Amalekites, and Sidonians. The Canaanites had been mostly replaced by then with Israelites who were syncretizing. The Canaanite misinterpretation of Abraham's sacrifice could have dated to the time of Abraham himself. Or it could have been a later fork in Israelite ideology during the period of the Judges.

@@KennethGriffith_International How do we know that Gideon defeats the Sidonians? I was looking at the text and it mentioned the Midianites, Amalekites and the people of the East. Is there a synchronism which links the fall of Sidon and Gideon's victory or is there another text that mentions this. If Sanconiathon is living in an era where the Tyrians are subject to the Judges your point about the syncretism does make sense.

@@patroclus6892 See Judges 10:12. Also, there are two other durations that point to 1252 BC as the Fall of Sidon, and Tyre being founded 2 years later. Herodotus was given a duration of 2300 quadrimestrals before his time, he was born in 485 BC. Plato's Atlantis war is dated 12,000 [lunations] before the death of Amasis who was king when Solon visited. Both come out to ~1252 BC for a war when Sidon was defeated.

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But Eber was where Hebrew came from. Hebrew already has the "ancient linguistic forefather" role

@@JonCrs10 Eber was Abraham's great^6-grandfather, yes. Israelites were called Hebrews, yes. Was the language of Eber Hebrew? Possibly, but not necessarily.

@@JonCrs10 Eber was the father of 16 tribes in Genesis 10. Some of those tribes definitely spoke non-semitic languages. The possibilities are that Eber and Peleg spoke Semitic/Hebrew, or that only Peleg spoke Semitic/Hebrew. The first biblical reference to Hebrew as a language is not until 2 Kings 18:26 near the end of the Divided Kingdom era. I'm not saying Eber didn't speak Hebrew, I'm saying it is not certain. Most of the Semitic languages that we know of were Abrahamic tribes, including the Semitic speaking "Amorites" who have been misnamed.

Eber also means “to cross over” which would make sense since HIS grandfather is Shem and they crossed over into new territories post-flood. Jubilees has an interesting anecdote about Hebrew-being the language of heaven, and it being revealed miraculously to those that were attentive to YHWH, God of gods-so they mentally “crossed over” into understanding by having “ears to hear.”

The Parthenon Code by Robert Johnson.

This is just the problem of evil, I think Seraphim has videos on it and Jay Dyer does too

Nimrod was definitely the generation before Gilgamesh. But Gilgamesh self-consciously tried to be Nimrod II. The Muslim and Jewish traditions conflate Nimrod with Gilgamesh, so you are definitely not the first.

I also had the thought that the Nephilim could have also been the monsters in mythology and paganism, like the minotaur and cyclops

@@punishedwhirligig3353 The Dead Sea Scrolls had two sections that say the fallen angels created at least three types of hybrids. Angel-Animal, Animal-Human, and Angel-Human. I believe these are the paranormal creatures that exist at the fringes of human experience: trolls, goblins, Bigfoot, alien abductions, crawlers, werewolves, leprechaun, etc. There is a sense in which those things are monsters. They don't belong here, and they are animated by a demonic soul.

Neat, so I was correct. The one last thing I had a thought about is What if stories like that of Achilles were a bastardization of the life of Samson?

@@punishedwhirligig3353 The Greek poets borrowed heavily from both Hebrew and Egyptian sources.

The further they traveled from the center the less they took with them.

You could view it like a beautiful glass vase that was shattered, and each culture has a few of the shards.

I mean, I do, but the issue is more that the ones I listed tend not to have as much effort in parsing with Genesis compared to Europe, North Africa and the Near East. Even the relationships with China and India always just feel somewhat ignored or under explored. I mean, Ahura/Ashura and Deva between the Iranics and Vedics look like there had to have been some kind of ancient war where which group's name was the "good gods" and which group's was the "bad gods" depended on the civilization. But both are so far East of the Tigris and thats all barely existent as far as the OT narrative is concerned. Solomon seems to have traded that far east but thats about it. Idk, there's a lot of questions about scope that I have with civilizational and cultural lineage regardless of what model we're talking. Heck I wonder if the ages in Genesis are like a Hebrew version of the Japanese goroawase, reading a number phonetically so the letters used to write, say, 930 would be read as a normal word and not a number. Suggesting that the number isn't just an age but a word AND an age

While I am not familiar with all of these cultures, there are a few interesting details in Japan’s Shinto mythology. I was just thinking about it the other day after seeing this video. The two main sources for Japan’s founding myths are the Kojiki and the Nihon Shoki. These were written in the 8th century AD, but in my view they probably contain history from many centuries prior. Some parallels I would like to point out: The Kojiki describes 7 generations of gods that lead up to the primary founding deities of Japan, Izanagi and Izanami. I see here a parallel to the genealogy of Genesis from Adam to Noah (7 generations as well), and also parallel to the sumerian king lists. If this is the case then Izanagi and Izanami could be Noah and Naamah. (I see a linguistic connection in *Izanami* and *Naamah* ). It's interesting that you mention there is no flood story in Japan. This is true there is no explicit idea of a destruction of the world via a flood. But there is the creation of land from a purely water world. Look at the following passage from the Kojiki: “Hereupon all the Heavenly Deities commanded the two deities [Izanagi-no-mikoto] and [Izanami-no-mikoto], ordering them to ‘make, consolidate, and give birth to this drifting land.’ Granting to them an heavenly jeweled spear, they [thus] deigned to charge them. So the two deities, standing upon the Floating Bridge of Heaven, pushed down the jeweled spear and stirred with it , whereupon, when they had stirred the brine till it went [curdle-curdle], and drew [the spear] up, the brine that dripped down from the end of the spear was piled up and became an island. This is the island of Onogoro. “ - Kojiki Vol. I, Sect. IV It goes on to describe Izanagi and Izanami giving birth to the archipelago of Japan, and all the succeeding gods. If these are Noah and his wife, the connection to creating the world from water makes sense. Post flood they would be the patriarch and matriarch who would be remembered by the following generations. Perhaps this is a collapsing of Genesis 1 and Genesis 8 (separation of the land and the waters and the receding of the flood waters), with Noah and his wife being misremembered as creator deities. Just a few more quick connections. In the video Naamah is remembered for performing evil actions. Izanami also has negative connections. After giving birth to the gods, the last gods to be born are fire deities, who then kill Izanami. Now, here is something interesting. At this point, Izanami becomes the goddess of the underworld (Yomi). Izanagi tries to rescue her from hades, but she had already partaken of the food of the underworld (like Persephone in greek myth). One last quick note, the storm god Susanoo is the son of Izanagi and Izanami. There are definite parallels to the devil and Baal in the story of Susanoo (i.e. he is cast out of heaven), and after seeing this video, perhaps a connection to Ham as well. For reference here a telling passage: "'I wail because I wish to depart to my deceased mother's land, to the Nether Distant Land.' Then Izanagi-no-mikoto was very angry and said: ' If that be so, thou shalt not dwell in this land,' and forthwith expelled him with a divine expulsion." Much more could be said, but I think there is enough here to make the connection. Hopefully, more people start to see the connections, but it will take some time.

@@deeploreenthusiast7655 Thank you! You can also compare the Enuma Elish of Babylon to Genesis 1 and 2 as well as Genesis 7-9. The Babel crowd replaced Yahweh dividing the land from water with Nibiru/Marduk (Cush) dividing Tiamat (Earth/Tehom/Watery Abyss) into land and sea.

Say Kenneth, what do you think made mortals "mortal" and gods "gods" in these myths if they're all humans? Longevity maybe but why was it special to the gods if the gods were all mortal men as well? The myths all make it very clear that the human characters and the god characters understand there is a fundamental difference between them even though Genesis says we're all human. How did righteous shortlived peasants following Noah have less longevity than the vengeful empress of death Naamah and her evil false god sons if the implication is that declining morals=declining lifespans? I like world-building and questions line this about chronology and "well why didnt X record Y?" are some of the things I'm particularly keen on.

Sacred mountain is Earth. The Garden of Eden was atop a sacred mountain. The union of Heaven and Earth takes place in the sacred garden/mountain. The ziggurats had a temple on top where a Virgin was left at night for the god. The pyramids always had a mortuary temple at the base. The human practice of building sacred mountains is about trying to get back into Eden on our own terms. Cathedrals can also be viewed as sacred mountains.

@@KennethGriffith_International To further the Sacred mound notion.. In Ireland we have the largest collection of Neolithic art in Europe. At one of the sites called Newgrange is an enormous earthen mound purpose built over a tunnel. At the winter solstice sunrise and only then, a shaft of light shines like a beam through a box above the doorway. All the way to the back wall of the tunnel. The mound itself as seen from the air looks like a womb representing eath mother goddess, with the sun representing male sun god. And obviously this is to do with the end of one growth cycle and the beginning of another.

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@@Gofaw ok thanks

Hi there! Tradition teaches that we are called to become gods by grace, and to partake in the energies of God. To love, to create, to be just and to have knowledge are some of these energies. To be uncreated is not. God being uncreated to part of his essence, of which we only can say what it is not (not created), since it transcends all worldly terms and things describable by language. This is called the energy-essence distinction if you are interested. Back to the questing of creating, to create is to bring into existence. Where do your thoughts and ideas come from? If you visualize a pick elephant, it enters a higher plane of existence than before you did, since before there was no elephant, and now it exists in your mind. You created a depiction of it. If you then go and paint an elephant pick, have you not brought the pick elephant further higher into existence? Since to create is an energy of God, we should assume that humans are called to, and capable of doing such a thing, just as we are able to love, know and exist.

The Epic of Gilgamesh appears to describe the character Enkidu as a Bigfoot, the Wildman of the forest. Bigfoot would probably fall on the Nephilim spectrum.

The interesting thing about the Children of Gaia-the mother of the monsters-is she had giant sons who were strong, focused, and fierce (which pretty well describes Nimrod and Gilgamesh) and the polyploidy/polydactyly ones, like the cyclops, the four armed men… I can imagine-though its a dark and meddlesome topic-with all that inbreeding, there were men like Enikidu (to be alone one must be and animal or a god-or in this case, kinda both) and Polyphemus, the man eater (son of Gaia) who were monstrous and dangerous, but weren’t the tower creating, Yahweh killing apostates that the other ones were. Naamah would likely have these children and they would have their place as strange hybrid men also.

@@Илья́Впрямь Well said. Also, dominion is a peculiarly human institution. The Nephilanimals seem perfectly happy to run around naked in the forest.

They didn't create it, but rather they brought it with them and it fused/mixed with the locals. Greeks are one of the IE people that retained the less of their Proto-IE roots.

That's an interesting question. I'm not a linguist. I would be quite curious to catalog the oldest known occurances of each of the known Indo-European languages. My question is whether Indo-European spread from Babel, spread from a major Post-Babel migration such as occured in the century after the Exodus, or occured as a result of the Assyrian deportations and subsequent migrations in the Parthian period.

The PIE were Japhethites.

The Indo-European pantheon has Mithra and Varuna. Ouranos and Varuna may come from a common source. Also, note the similarity between Anu and Ki (Sumerian) and Ouranos and Ge (Greek). The similarity suggests that the Babel rebels may have introduced the Noah as Heaven and Naamah as Earth theology prior to the Dispersion. They needed some kind of explanatory myth to explain why Naamah had become the wife of Ham prior to the founding of Babel. The common element of the myths is to blame the Noah figure and justify the Ham figure as a savior/liberator of Earth. However, Kronos too is painted as a monster to justify his overthrow by Cush/Zeus/Ninurta/Marduk.

You are openly ignoring the Book of Enoch, and the fact that early jewish translators directly stated that the "sons of god" were indeed angels.

If you add up the days it was 362/363 days. Interestingly that's about an average between a 360 day year and a 365 day year. Regarding Martians, no. Though Noah's Ark was in many ways similar to the sci-fi story of a spaceship that crash lands on a barren planet, and the civilization that resulted. But no, the Ark was not a space ship. The advanced predeluvian civilization was on planet Earth. But it was completely and utterly destroyed by the Flood.

It's Edom that means red and Adam means dirt or dust or earth.

Where do you even draw the connection to Mars from?