How ‘Welcome To Rosas’ Caused Wish’s DOWNFALL 

Ok soooo is six a good Example for a pop(ish) Musical(im asking cuz me and my cuz are Obsessed with their songs)

I’ve gotten some questions about this so I’m thinking about making a RU-vid short to answer it! Stay tuned! 👀👀👀

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch NOOOO NOT A SHORT NOOO( I want your long form content )

I could make a long-form video about specific Six song for sure! In terms of the pop music as a general question though it’s a very short answer 😂

Honestly I would LOOOVE to hear your opinions on so many musicals (particularly EPIC, not gonna lie 🤣🤣😅)

It's crazy because it just screams low budget but like.... this movie had MONEY LOL

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch It looks like a Shrek background scene lol

And it shows us: Rosas is sooo perfect... But one only person who is down after the ceremony (did it not happend before?) takes it all. But why were adults singing in the beginning? They must have been all sad... 😅

It’s so flat and bare and SO visually boring! It’s like a set piece.

That should've been the idea; a depression or selfishness under the facade, proving Magnifico's point of people not willing to work hard for their dreams, but also showing his negative side of removing part of themselves.

The bar was really always on the floor 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

To be fair, a lot of potential was there: 1. Disney's second black lead and one of their few mixed-race leads (I can only think of Hiro and Mirabel as other ones). Obviously this doesn't make the story better, but it was still amazing to include. 2. A pop artist doing the music (I know people roll their eyes, but there have been musicals that succeed at making great songs in the pop vein). 3. A complex villain and message 4. A possible romance (I recall Star and Asha being referred to as "soulmates," though lookibg back, IDK if it was purposefully meant to sound romantic or not) and one of the few ones where the lead or the love interests have magic powers. 5. A DISTINCT European setting. Most fantasy stories go for a "generic European" vibe, so making it Iberian-influenced was awesome--even if that might not have been the best decision since their last musical was Colombian (not that Spain and Colombia are the same, but the similarities may have led to the music feeling a bit too familiar too soon).

​@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch*A pull-up bar in hell

The only thing that was ever high were the writers

That implies the high point of Wish was the few minutes before Welcome to Rosa's... which is sad but accurate.

How about Beauty and the Beast as well since that has an amazing opening number that not only introduces the story BUT also managed to explain who the main character is, which is what Wish failed to do, with “Welcome To Rosas” we’re constantly told about Magnifico and the wishes even though it’s already been talked about in the book, so I think the rewritten version should focus more on the environment and how people react to Asha as well as knowing her a bit more.

@@ThatBoyShads I think BATB was one of the influences used, and it's also an upbeat number, not quite as mysterious or foreboding as I would want. But I do agree that we should know more about Asha and how people interact with her. Despite being a tour guide, we don't see her involved in the community much once she learns the truth.

They could get away with having an upbeat number if they kept and refined the opening storybook narration about Magnificio, like BatB does that foreboding thing with the Beast but then Belle as the opening song. I think they actually could have done a compromise and have a number like Frozen 2. You have Anna who is very upbeat about how things are not changing whereas Elsa feels that mysterious call for change. You could have the people of Rosas be that peppy-upbeat vibe but have Asha be the person who knows something is wrong. That way we have the best of everything and it shows the contrast between the brainwashed adults and how Asha is aware of the danger.

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch With "Frozen," I was actually referring to "All is Found" and "Frozen Heart," but I get what you mean about striking a balance!

Not to mention the city is supposed to be diverse but everyone has the same type of clothing. Like if you want to be diverse then show it in things like architecture and fashion

@@moon7shinev150 Yeah, or like at the very least hair styles. Just something to not make it feel like Duloc but without the irony.

Asha and Amaya I heard are of North African descent; this was Disney's first time representing Amazigh/Moorish people but they were like naw nvm

The reason for that is 1) they hired a pop writer that doesnt have much knowledge on musical pieces and 2) the songs were written before anything was done for the movie so the music writer had only the base concepts to go of off which is so fucking weird. Music is supposed to go in tandem with the story, it is a story telling device. How can you make musical pieces without having a concrete story in hanf

Yeah they wanted to be Lin Manuel Miranda but they will never be him. I will cover all the Wish songs!! Don’t worry!!

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch it’s crazy like they’re Disney if you want Lin Manuel Miranda then get Lin Manuel Miranda. No diss to Julia Michaels though she worked her best with what they gave and only gave her 3 weeks to write and then didn’t let her fix anything. It’s not even that she’s a pop artist since pop in Disney movies can work like Phil Collin’s in Tarzan. But songwriters are usually involved in the entire movie process. Like Alan Menken and Lin Manuel Miranda weren’t given just a movie summary, they were actively involved in the movie process. You can find videos of Alan Menken coaching Jodi Benson and Lin Manuel Miranda even changed Bruno’s original name Oscar to Bruno just for the We Don’t Talk About Bruno line Bruno no no

Now that was a movie that actually used the musical themes and magic well.

it reminds me of the long hair dancing scene in the minions movie and it hurts

I do NOT understand why they did that 😭😭😭😭 like sure, give him long hair, but make it so his hair has a life of its own and octopus arms or something. Have it change colour. Have it do literally anything. I could see someone wishing for Rapunzel-like Hair as someone who really cares about their curly hair but like……….. just long? And he’s hiding it anyway before it’s revealed? That’s really weird 😭😭😭😭😭

What’s hilarious is the fact that this idea came from the same company that created a film with a girl with magic long hair that can be used to keep a person young, basically immortal, can heal any wound, and glows and this is the grand wish they come up with for the film called Wish, to just have long hair? 🤦🏽‍♀️ not hair that can move as a second pair of arms, not hair that do anything worthwhile, just to grow long

I don't think it was a wish as it was preceeded by "Do you want to dance all day" and she didn't talk about wishes yet, I think she was just saying in Rosas they won't judge you for having long hair, but that's just my interpretation of a song from a movie I don't wanna watch lol

@@Chaki21 No, it was "do you want to dance on beat" and it was framed like something to wish for

I was like ?????? What the hell 😭😭😭😭 like obviously outer space EXISTED but it’s not very magical, the sky could have been the HEAVENS LOL

Yes! That and the reference to shareholders?? Front yards??? Isn't this meant to predate all other Disney films??

@@Marigold11037Just shows how corporate Disney is

EXACTLY! And that gives Asha a lot of personal stakes because she wants so desperately to help her people but she realized she was complicit. She was a pawn. And so now she needs to be a leader like her father knew she could be 😭😭😭😭😭

That would have been a really interesting story…instead of what we got.

@@gwenjackson8583 wish in a nutshell

EXACTLY! They are so superficial because it’s surface level magic in a sense. Maybe once in a while Magnifcio does some really crazy ones, but it takes a LOT of wishes to be crushed for him to do that. That’s why they always need new citizens, so he can have more resources to grant bigger wishes to bring in more citizens… etc LOL

Oooh that would actually be a genius addition to the general lore of alchemy; essentially a mass production metaphor. How we could promise beautifully, thoughtfully made things and massive improvements to wellbeing for a high price or a lot of patience, or, we can use the resources to make stacks of things that are only just exciting enough take them transactable, maximising the rewards and fees for the service. In a way, Encanto touches slightly on this: turning gifts given to save an unfortunate family from tragedy and give them a fair chance, to instead please an entire town and create a heirarchy, making their worth about their productivity instead of the inherent value of being a decent person.

I agree! That would’ve made it so much cooler

@@lilpetz500 Yeah now that you bring up the mass production angle I can see why disney didn't want to go with that one nowadays lol. Promising your wildest dreams but only really granting the easiest to produce low resource requirement ones they can get away with? I mean-

It’s the talking with my hands isn’t it 😂🤣

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch That's part of it, yes, but your energy in these videos _scream_ Italian to me.

In che senso è italiana whatttt

Her anger feels very Italian lol

Lol that’s so true because when my family talks about stuff passionately people think we’re yelling but we’re just TALKING LOUDLY (though sometimes we *are* angry 😂🤣)

😭😭😭😭😭😭 this comment has me BAWLING WHY COULDNT THEY DO THIS?!?!

Plus, there’s already the line of “the way you always taught me” in the same song, referring to her father. So having the stars hold this spiritual meaning could make the song about her asking for guidance in a more impactful way. It makes sense that she would look to the stars since they hold a deeper spiritual meaning. And she knows that, especially with the alchemist rewrite angle, her father would never stand for what’s happening to their people. There are so many amazing things they could’ve done with this story and I think that’s what makes the movie we got so frustrating and awful.

Thank you so much! Yeah I sit here wondering how I’m not employed 😂🤣 I want to make a story so badly if someone would just let me!

I feel you! I wish voices of small creators were heard more often... I fear that once I finish writing my story, it's gonna get disregarded for that reason alone TwT But I'm rooting for you!

That’s a very interesting idea: I feel like there could be a whole video about that haha. I guess cliff notes is that I think it works for Tangled especially because the lyricist most likely wrote it. It’s very in character for Flynn and he immediately gets a hostile reaction to the fact he said that. With Maui it’s weird because it’s in the script and also like…. He sings earlier. So it’s okay with him to do it but not Moana 😭😭😭 I think what they mean is that he doesn’t want to hear about her feelings and that means her singing - but Moana is a little bit too “aware” of other Disney movies at points so I agree with the idea that the problem started there. Like Tangled works because it makes sense in universe whereas Moana characters make references as if they know other Disney princesses and other Disney movies exist.

Yeah i think that in tangled, it was actually a loving nod to the musical aspects of disney films, since flynn is categorically shown as maintaining this cool uncaring image, and then he takes part in one of the most emotional numbers in the movie entirely voluntarily. It's part of his arc! It's everything after tangled that only sees this front that he puts up and then expects us to agree with it because it's funny and they're missing the whole point

Yeah I totally agree. Flynn is "too cool" for growing emotionally attached to people because deep down the one thing money can't change about him is being alone. That's even why his dream is about being on an island all alone, because he'd rather pretend that's what he really wants instead of admitting he does want home/love/family but doesn't think other people think him of worthy of that. Or he doesn't think he's good enough. That's the difference (usually) between a script writer doing something and a musician doing something. It's almost like, when musical theatre people joke about musical theatre it's usually funny because we make jokes from place of loving ribbing. But when actors or film people make fun of musicals it comes off as mean because they are usually demeaning the "silliness" of musical theatre.

I LOVE IT WHEN YOU GUYS TELL ME YOU’RE DRAWING TO MY VIDEOS please tag me in your art if you post it on Twitter! (Even if it’s not like… related to the video I just wanna see lol)

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch will make a twitter accout just for you Calxiyn I swear

Hah i do that too

1 hour video to play minecraft to 🗣️‼️

Omg I just got back into playing Minecraft again but I'm a boomer so I'm playing 1.7.4 lol. I've been listening to soooo many videos playing Minecraft so I love that y'all are doing that for mine!

So true! Kingdom Hearts would never do this 😭😭😭😭😭😭

Yeah for sure! Like Frozen for example kinda has this in “Do You Wanna Build A Snowman” - you can tell how Anna talks at the beginning Vs the end. Do you wanna build a snowman? Come on let's go and play I never see you any more Come out the door It's like you've gone away! We used to be best buddies And now we're not I wish you would tell me why Do you wanna build a snowman? It doesn't have to be a snowman! Compared to Please, I know you're in there People are asking where you've been They say, "Have courage", and I'm trying to I'm right out here for you Just let me in We only have each other It's just you and me What are we gonna do? Do you wanna build a snowman? Like the rhyme structure is the same but it’s the word choice. “It’s like you’ve gone away!” Or “and now we’re not…” Vs “People are asking where you’ve been… they say have courage” etc. You can tell how they captured how a child speaks Vs an adult. Child Anna is very… blunt almost. Like she just says things that come into her mind as they are but adult Anna is trying to reach Elsa and trying different strategies in a tangible way. She starts with “people are asking about you” and when that doesn’t work she tries to express that Anna is here for her, with whatever she’s feeling.

EXACTLY. I can't wait to talk about Belle but it's such a long song that I want to make sure I do it justice haha. It may take a couple weeks to script it as opposed to the other videos I do, but it's such a masterful take on the opening number and gives the movie everything it needs to succeed!

Not only that, it's implied that once you give up your wish, you become lifeless and boring. Yet literally every single adult character does just fine, is full of life, energetic, etc. It makes no sense.

I think it could work in the context of “You can’t tell anyone what you wish for or it won’t come true!” - like that‘s very old Disney. And so other people (like your friends) wouldn’t know what your wish is, and maybe Magnificio could program that to be the default response with magic. Like I think there’s a totally a way for them to not realize they forgot through magic and having some surface level thoughts / default responses planted in there by Magnificio to stop thinking about it. The thing about people becoming boring though is definitely weird because apparently only Simon is like that, everyone else is fine LOL. But I feel like that should probably have to do with how important your Wish is to your personality. Like the guy who wants to have long hair probably has other hobbies. Whereas Saba’s wish should mess him up because that’s kinda a “core memory” situation imo. But I think they wanted that to be when you become an adult you lose joy and hope and that’s part of growing up, but they just didn’t go for it as a theme. This could be fixed by having people just be complacent instead of being “boring”, like having people seem very agreeable and malleable afterwards.

It's just the songwriter desperately trying to fill out the line with as many useless syllables as possible just to get it over with and move on to the next one.

It’s so bad 😭😭😭😭😭 not a single crum of a real feeling, just cramming syllables in to sound clever when it’s really cringe

Exactly! Why does every other sentence need to start on a filler word when in a song that’s sort of implied??? Like in Hunchback when Quasimodo says “And out there living in the sun” it’s like “And Out THERE is where I can get the thing that I want”. It’s for a dramatic purpose. He doesn’t say: Out there among the millers and the weavers and their wives And through the roofs and gables I can see them And every day they shout and scold and go about their lives Because that would be silly. In a song the continuation of a sentence is implied 😂😂😂

The whole film is like that. What kind of line is "I'm past dipping my toes in but I'm not no I'm not past diving in"? Aside from being unbelievably awkward, it reeks of repeating words pointlessly just to fill out the amount of syllables to get to the end of the stanza.

This is why it’s so insane to me because that’s about what I thought in terms of the process (especially in Lion King too there’s a line that was improv’ed, like the “drag and do the hula” one). But this movie made me doubt whether 3D was like that LMAO. Yeah I agree with you - I don’t think she got to read the script. And I don’t think she understood what she was allowed to do as the songwriter. Like Howard Ashman wrote the lyrics but he was also a producer for the movies he worked on, he has some level of creative control. Which is ideally how it should be because the script and the songs ARE the story.

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch It's a shame, really, because you can see poor Julia Michaels struggling to make integral songs to a story without the story

That's so hilarious to me. Like you know your movie has issues when your audience is literally trapped in a floating tin can flying through the sky (presumably without internet though I know some people do buy it) and they still aren't retained by the story LOL

Graduating with a degree in 2D animation. You're pretty close. Concept art, music/lyrics, and early story is actually more of a simultaneous thing. Like everyone is working on their particular part at the same time. Usually when you're at storyboarding (which an animatic is just a storyboard in a video form), you have a good idea of where you are going, but some of the specifics may not be all there yet. Like, sometimes designs will still change a bit, some songs may get cut or changed still, and some story beats and scenes may still change. However, you are right that by the time you're getting to actual animation, most of these are nearly finished. So by this point, the music should be have some finished recordings, but some may still be in the recording process. Because yeah, not all scenes are worked in the order you see them in, and many of them are worked at the same time, but not all. So how much is exactly done can vary based on the actual production scheduling.

@@AppleStrawberryLove WEEEEEEEEEE! I'm so proud of you for graduating and following your dreams! I really wanted to go to college for animation but I was too broke so I've been teaching it to myself while I work on an accounting degree as a safety net if RU-vid doesn't pan out

They wanted a pop song writer because they wanted to "appeal to the youth". They didn't care about making a good film. They just wanted to make a bankable one.

Unfortunately he is currently being wasted on the Disney remakes. He was likely working on Little Mermaid at the time, and his next project is that Mufasa CGI thing...

Honestly even if not Lin there are so many talented broadway songwriters that could have done something! I’m sure there’s someone Lin could have even referred to them! But yeah as the other comments said he was working on Disney’s other live action things for some reason LOL

Awwwwww I’m so glad to hear this 😭😭😭😭 both that I made your morning and made you emotional. I’m glad I can make you guys care about the rewrite in my mind 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹

Yeah I totally agree with you. The script writers and the songwriters should have equal say in the story because they are the ones TELLING the story. I mentioned this to someone else but Howard Ashman (on The Little Mermaid and I think Beauty and the Beast as well) was a producer, so he had some creative say. I don’t even blame the storyboarders either because how were they really supposed to make “You wanna dance on beat?” Interesting? So in a sense it does come back to the lyrics. They definitely could have made some of the visuals more exciting but the lyrics are just inherently unexciting. And the script writers should have gave her the script to read and insert songs into like Howard Ashman would do, instead it does really feel like they gave her a summary of what they wanted but no deeper context. I don’t think this movie could have ever been a masterpiece with her writing but it could have been at least a solid 6/10 or something 😭😭😭😭

😂🤣 I’m glad to know you guys laugh!!

Thank you so much! I absolutely plan to make more, for Wish and for the good Disney songs 😂🤣 I REALLY want to talk about Belle now but it’s a 5 minute song so I may need some extra time to script. I’m glad you enjoyed it, stay tuned! 🥰🥰

Thank you so much! I really need a job LMAOOOOOOOO

It's crazy because the end credit song feels like a spiritual successor to that Cinderella song, allegedly it's the song that Julia Michaels pitched to get this job.... and then they CUT IT FROM THE MOVIE!!!! WHEN THE SONG THAT SHE WROTE (A WISH WORTH MAKING) IS LITERALLY THE THESIS OF THE ENTIRE MOVIE! And her grandfather was supposed to sing it! I'm so mad about it still LOL

I'M SO GLAD YOU GUYS GET EXCITED WHEN I UPLOAD LONG VIDEOS I was worried this was too long LOL

Yeah exactly. The reason why this works in Beauty and the Beast is because the opening narration is about the Beast while the opening is about Belle. Or in the really old Disney movies with the storybook, like Cinderella, it’s more of a prologue song that establishes where we’re going while the opening credits of the movie roll. They don’t need a story book opening about Magnificio & Rosas… and a song about the same thing. They could have kept the storybook if they made this opening about Asha instead.

😂 I’m glad I can make you guys laugh

It makes me so happy when you guys tell me that you’re watching my videos & making art. Please show me the art when it’s done!!

Wow! I just checked and you only have 3.62k subscribers! I thought you would have way more because your production value is so high!!

🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹😭 Thank you so much. I really appreciate it! Comments like this are so special to me, I hope one day I can share my videos with millions of people!

Ofcrs! 😊

I do have a video on Happy Day In Hell if you’re interested!

Thank you so much! That's exactly what I hope for - like I love hearing that people throw on my videos when they're drawing or cooking or something but something happens for them to look every now and then XD I hope you'll enjoy future and past content as well!

EXACTLY. The lyrics and the instrumental don’t feel like they actually “go together”. Like these people didn’t talk to each other 😭😭😭😭😭😭 the lyricist just wrote some lyrics and the composer wrote the instrumental and neither of them had any communication with each other. Because I think instrumentally this is definitely the most redeeming one.

Awwwwww thank you so much!!! I’m so glad to hear it! 🥰

"Welcome to Rosas! Everything is fine here and the flowers are blooming!" Visitor: "but but that sounds horrib.." Asha: "No! everything is FINE! let me gaslight you..."

I would love to! It's definitely on the list, I love the songs from the series! In my last Hazbin Hotel video I did briefly reference Nothing Left To Lose hehe

Thank you for considering and omg !!! I've never had a RU-vidr comment on my reply thank you 🥰🥰🥰. Btw great video

😭😭😭😭😭😭 life is so unfair

Oh no 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I’ll have to look into it

I would love to do it myself one day, it would just be complicated cause my rewrites tend to purpose whole new musical sections and I’d need to pay someone 😂 maybe if I get sponsorships someday that would help pay for a composer to help!

I LOVED LUCA!!! I know Pixar doesn’t = Disney but still. It’s so jarring to see how well they captured Italy and that feeling of a small town but with this movie they fumbled the bag

Awwww thank you so much!! I'm glad to hear that you guys care as much as I do 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹

Awwwww thank you so much!

Ahhhhh I’ve never been to the Tiki room, that sounds fun! 🥹🥹🥹

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch it’s my favorite Disney attraction to just chill at, i can watch it so many times without getting bored I even have a funko pop of José (one of the 4 main birds)

If you pause where I showed the picture basically it says they played around with the idea of “Starman” being Saba in a previous version where he was dead instead of her father. Then maybe changed it to her father(?) after they killed the father instead. There was another one that looks like a woman more like a classic fairy god mother and then they got to Starboy. And then scrapped that too LOL. So basically they didn’t know what they wanted, really. But yeah I believe you’re right and the LAST one was Starboy as the love interest. The Peter Pan looking Starboy is the love interest but the more “man” looking star character was supposed to be younger Saba.

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuchah, ok. Thanks for responding! I feel like having it be the dad would’ve been really weird.

Lol no problem and yeah don’t worry they were separate ideas!

Yeah exactly! Though I do admire the changes that my peers in this space have made (like lots of other music RU-vidrs have suggested rewrites) but this song can’t simply be rewritten in my eyes, we need to overhaul the entire structure. It’s like gutting a bathroom that has mold you know LOL

I highly disagree - Anna’s song is the opening number, Frozen Heart is the prologue. Also Frozen Heart isn’t just about cutting ice: Ice has a magic, can't be controlled Stronger than one, stronger than ten Stronger than a hundred men! Ho! So cut through the heart, cold and clear Strike for love and strike for fear See the beauty, sharp and sheer Split the ice apart And break the frozen heart They’re talking about Elsa!! It actually sets up the themes of the story really well, even if people may not find it as catchy as Belle! Elsa is the frozen heart worth mining! It’s worth to break through the ice to reach her so she doesn’t have to be alone anymore!

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch I see, well while I have your attention, how do you feel about the take that “Thneedville" from the Lorax Movie is a better opening song than "Happy Day in Hell" and "Welcome to Rosas". Since it does a better job at going into detail about the main location, how the people feel about it, and the antagonist. I hate the Lorax but I couldn’t help but notice how the song hits some of your needed checkmarks.

I haven't seen the Lorax so I will have to investigate haha. Maybe you'll see a full song video about it sometime!

That tends to happen with translating songs in other languages because some languages needs more syllables for words than others. But I think how Wish was written probably doesn’t help a process that is already complicated 😭😭😭

OHhhhh that's a REALLY nice double meaning. I wish I thought of that! Like the "We wish for nothing" seems like they have everything they could ever need but they literally wish for nothing because they don't remember, it's CRAZY. Re: Disney writing themselves into a corner, I think the thing is Asha having a magic wand calls that into question anyway. Like, the message they should have been trying to go for is that everyone has a little bit of magic inside of them (That Asha had magic all along vs getting it from Star) and the fairy godmother / the star spirit people help to bring it out. Even in Cinderella, when she has her transformation the fairy godmother said it's because of her heart and her strength of will. If they worked on the Starboy concept a little bit more I think the idea of Starboy could have theoretically fixed it basically, but by getting rid of that concept they hurt themselves when it came to that ending.

Awwwwww thank you so much! I’ll post this just as a blanket statement for anyone who wants to - anyone can feel free to draw / use any of the ideas I mentioned in the video, I love to see when people are inspired by something I say! 🥹🥹🥹🥹 Yeah I wonder about that too. There’s this beautiful concept art of Asha in a bright orange dress and I think it looks so pretty 😭😭

Not defending the movie, but Asha is an arabic/swahili/urdu/sanskrit name that means "aspiration/wish/hope" which really fits the wish motif of the movie. It also help hint Asha's Amazigh heritage and support the fact that Rosas is inspired from the Al-Andalus Era of Spain. Now, I'm well-aware that those cultures weren't well-represented in the movie itself cuz Rosas ended up looking more like a generic European setting, I just explain that Asha isn't exactly a lazy name as you think it is (you're still free to think that way tho haha idk I just got fascinated by amazigh culture and al-andalus after learning about them in the wish art book cuz Im planning to make my own wish rewrite too).

@@lyricaryl5016 ohhh that’s actually pretty interesting, thanks for letting me know, yeah I guess since it took a whole eternity to decipher what culture this movie was supposed to be taking inspiration from, I never really got what period of the Spanish history specifically it took it, they really made it seem like some very random and very boring kingdom hahah, thx again 🫶🏻

@lismarie9011 You're very welcome! Seriously, the visuals for this when it comes to culture would have been sooo beautiful if they really followed through the cultures Rosas was supposed to be inspired from. There's actually a few architectural references to Al-Andalus/Andalusian architecture in Rosas (look up pictures of Seville and Granada, then look at Rosas, there's a bit of similarities there), but they're overshadowed by the dull, washed-out looking cool colors, the emptiness of some scenes/areas, the boringness of the supposed "magic" of the place, and the overall generic feeling lf the movie. I'd love to hope that these were intentional considering the conflict of the movie, but we're in the opening song of the movie where we are supposed to get immersed with the setting and have that wondrous, exciting feeling cuz heyy this is supposed to be the most magical place in the world!!! But then the place is like this aaaanfjdjfndn. (The opening song does not help too gjdjfnd).

I’ve made three videos on it if you haven’t seen them already 👀 one on the whole movie, one for ‘Free’ and one for ‘How Could I Refuse?’

As an "easy to understand why it's the best on a technical level" I'd pick Beauty and the Beast or Hunchback of Notre Dame for sure. I think both movies are masterpieces but I also think they are very accessible in terms of figuring out why they are successful at executing their objectives. I want to make individual song analysis' for all the songs in those movies so stay tuned for things that are not Barbie haha XD

Thank you so much! I’d love to rewrite the whole story sometime!

I love when you guys get my niche references LOL

Thank you so much! With this information in mind I truly wonder where the communication breakdown happened because even though Julia Michael's lyrics aren't great, they could have in theory made some of the stuff she talks about (like the greatest creations all on display) etc. So I guess based on what you said that would have been a storyboarding issue? I feel like there's something fishy about the whole situation, I wonder if people will ever speak out about the production on the movie because it feels like there was some sort of restriction. I also heard they didn't have the script done before they asked Julia Michaels to write the songs so that may explain some things as well. I mean ultimately I never blame the individual people working on the movie cause they're just doing their job - it's the higher ups who sign off on stuff, surely it should be the directors job or someone even higher than that to be like "this isn't really conveying things like how I want it to, let's add this" earlier in the process. Maybe the script went through so many rewrites stuff started to get squishy for the 100th anniversary release :/ it honestly makes me sad.

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch From what has come out, lots of the issues were partly due to upper management interference. The other thing to remember with most animated films from the Disney Renaissance in particular is that the songwriters were much more heavily involved in every aspect of the pre-production. But with Wish, they did not give her a finished story and they basically went "You get three weeks to write it and then we'll record and we move on." Not to mention how rushed this film was. They began it in 2018. They didn't start even writing the music until 2021. They released it in 2023. Most animated films take YEARS to make. For instance, Tangled was in the works from 2001. They didn't even cast the actors until 2009. Now, to be fair, Tangled had a bit of a rocky start to its production as it went through several different treatments which is why its pre-production was closer to 8 years. Encanto went into production around 2016 and Miranda was working on it from the beginning. I don't have an exact date for when the cast was set, but based off the some of the other dates, likely it was sometime around 2019 or 2020. Even if you go with the earliest date, that's three years of work Miranda had put in. If you go with the latest, that's close to 4 years of pre-production to get the story cohesive and the songwriting planned out. And he didn't dip after the music was done because he was also involved with story. Compared to Wish's... three weeks late in pre-production when they were clearly already struggling to figure out the plot still. For instance, rumor is "At All Costs" was meant to be more of a love ballad. Not to the wishes, but for Asha and possibly Star Boy. Which is why it sounds so weird in the film's actual context. "I'm sorry, sir, are you singing to the wishes or to the 17 year old girl?" "The wishes." I like to listen to Disney soundtracks before the film. Legit, I thought At All Costs was a love song before I saw the film. Also, I thought "I'm a Star" was the closing credit song. My horror when it was mid film had me yelling at the TV. (Yes, I will argue that placing that song at that point was a legitimate plot issue that kills the momentum the film had going because its tone is all wrong and gear the audience to feel like the film is over, not just reaching the end of its first act.) So in short: Wish didn't get the amount of pre-production time it needed. That's why everything doesn't work. Based off the script and the meddling, honestly, I think Wish realistically should have had a timeline like Tangled of close to a decade worth of pre-production. Instead, they got a couple years in which they shortchanged everyone's timelines. Sadly, like most films that struggle like this and are rushed out despite that, you can tell. Everything feels like a first draft even though realistically, we're probably looking at something several iterations down. I don't think it's the workers' fault. I think this comes down to corporate wanted this for the anniversary, meddled in the production, and ignored all the red flags that this needed more time to come together because anniversary deadline. Like, they originally wanted it to be 2D and started production in 2018. For 2D, that is a steep timeline. Not impossible. But definitely pushing it. It could have probably been a good film if the upper management had just acknowledged that the issues, stopped interfering, and even delayed the film. Come up with a new strategy. Maybe release a short film only as a tribute to Disney's earliest works. But instead, they kept going. I've had to learn in my own schooling that sometimes, you just gotta acknowledge that you bit off too much for a project. The way to fix it isn't to just keep going. It's to stop for reassessing.

Awwwwww thank you so much! I’m so happy people are willing to watch for so long 🥹🥹🥹🥹

Yeah, I really enjoy his music but I literally can't believe they thought someone who can compose, write lyrics, write the book of the show, act and perform was comparable to a pop writer. But apparently they think all pop writers can do that???? LOL

Nope. She'd have a Chatot.

It's so bad! I can't blame Julia Michaels for that cause ultimately that's a storyboarding issue.... like did no one think to maybe include.... an invention???? LOL. Even if her lyrics are bad they should have at least tried to cater to what she wrote

@@CalxiynCaresTooMuch Yeah, all it does is make Rosas super forgettable, and by extension this movie, or at least if it isn't forgettable because so many people talk about it, it isn't in a good way for most.

Awwww that's such a cute idea, I love that!