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How Good Was PRIME Andy Murray Actually?
During the late 00s and for the most part of the 2010s, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal, and Novak Djokovic dominated the sport emphatically but there was a 4th man who refused to go away despite falling short on many occasions
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@Horsbreh
@Horsbreh Год назад
The terrible thing is that he's going to be underrated historically due to his competition. He was clearly the fourth best guy but the gap between Murray and 5th place was also massive. Absolute warrior.
@milanjelovac9593
@milanjelovac9593 Год назад
I think he is overrated. That's why so many wildcard he recive. Yes, and because he is english
@YT-ol7ss
@YT-ol7ss Год назад
@@milanjelovac9593 not even English….
@kotzkica
@kotzkica Год назад
​@@milanjelovac9593 šta pričaš? lik je bukvalno predobar. 14 mastersa, svetski broj 1, finala svakog slema, dva zlata na olimpijadi. Lik je bukvalno uzeo sve što se moglo uzeti sem australije i pariza, gde je igrao mnoga finala. prebrz je bio na terenu, i fantastičan teniski iq je imao. a to što misliš da ne zaslužuje wildcardove je najgluplji razlog svih vremena. lik je bukvalno urnisao koga je stigao sem velike trojke, a cak je i njih redovno prao
@milanjelovac9593
@milanjelovac9593 Год назад
@@kotzkica Opuštemo. Rekao sam svoje mišljenje, ne znam što te toliko pogadja.
@milanjelovac9593
@milanjelovac9593 Год назад
@@kotzkica staviti ga kao big 4 uz ostalu 3 je ipak previše
@tnuyx9405
@tnuyx9405 Год назад
In 2012 murray was ridiculous, the way he was smacking his backhand was unbelievable
@telmolicious
@telmolicious Год назад
And 2013.. until his injury.
@mitchhills4747
@mitchhills4747 Год назад
He was the best in 2016 when he beat all comers at the Tour finals, including Djokovic and Wawrinka. He has been underrated.
@FredKirk-vi2rp
@FredKirk-vi2rp Месяц назад
At their bests I believe Murray's backhand was statistically more effective than Djokovic's
@DripKingAventurine
@DripKingAventurine Месяц назад
@@FredKirk-vi2rpDjokovic had a superior down the line backhand but Murray was unmatched with the cross court side
@pawshands9706
@pawshands9706 Год назад
The Scot was such a monstruos defensive player. Imo, the speediest tall guy on tour, and incredibly patient. Too much of a pusher for me, but effective nonetheless.
@Thomas-fr1jk
@Thomas-fr1jk Год назад
​@Chad Vindly 1.91 m
@mitchhills4747
@mitchhills4747 Год назад
Pusher is such a terribly insulting term and does not go any way near assessing Murray's abilities....
@zachsingh1
@zachsingh1 Год назад
Not to forget that he is creating a new legacy now. What he is doing after his hip surgery is unreal and more notably what he is doing in 2023. I feel u could’ve included a part about his form this year too. He’s beating big players and can make it up the rankings again. 2023 could be a break through season for him again
@samuelbrown4764
@samuelbrown4764 Год назад
He was good enough to be djokovics toughest challenge on hardcourts and grass during Novak’s prime years between 2011-16. That’s how good. As a djokivic fan I was always more scared of Murray and wawrinka then I was of nadal and fed. Except at the French open then obviously nadal, but that’s it
@philthompson5907
@philthompson5907 11 месяцев назад
Stan Wawrinka also had three major titles, but he and Murray didn't have the staying power of the other three!!
@masudbillah6196
@masudbillah6196 10 месяцев назад
​@@philthompson5907 Both were way too injury prone. Otherwise they would have stayed consistent
@jameswalker6864
@jameswalker6864 Месяц назад
Nadal was the toughest rival of Novak on hard courts during his peak years (2010-2016). Nadal leads the H2H over Djokovic at the US Open 2-1. Murray doesn't lead the H2H over Novak on any Slam on hard. Djokovic's peak started the last months of 2010 when he beat Federer in the USO 2010 in 5 sets, just like he beat Federer in 5 sets at the USO 2011. At the USO 2009, Djokovic lost in 3 to Federer. So he peaked in late 2010. He wasn't non-peak just because he lost to Nadal in the final. It's not like Djokovic was non-peak the 31th of december of 2010 and suddenly became peak the 1st of Juanuary of 2011.
@tgram2307
@tgram2307 Год назад
That injury after getting to number 1 was devastating. 2016-17 he was the best in the world
@oo0024
@oo0024 Год назад
He was almost unbeatable in 2016
@tgram2307
@tgram2307 Год назад
@@oo0024 he would have won more if it wasn't for the hip. Probably dominated for a year or two. Now he's out there winning a title back into the top 50 again at age 35 built like RoboCop. Nothing left to prove but he's proving it anyway.
@quangle6854
@quangle6854 11 месяцев назад
​@@oo0024haha, lost djokovic 2 slam finals 2016 in his best year, the best years of big 3 was 3/4 slam win ,andy???
@anandparmeswaran6681
@anandparmeswaran6681 10 месяцев назад
​@@quangle6854show some RESPECT and GROW 🪴 Fast 😂
@Macca15
@Macca15 10 месяцев назад
@@quangle6854 Then beat Djokovic in the final of the year end championships when they went head to head for the year end number 1.
@daviddinh9031
@daviddinh9031 Год назад
at his peak he was big 3 level, but what makes the big 3 so special is that they reigned for 3 decades and murray's body could not hold up for nearly that long.
@ryoshusuke2108
@ryoshusuke2108 Год назад
If Murray had recovered like Djokovic did at the end of 2017 he would be top three right now easy
@M.L.official
@M.L.official Год назад
@@ryoshusuke2108 I agree. He would've had more slams for sure
@luckyluke1503
@luckyluke1503 Год назад
He was never as good as big 3 post 2011. And he clearly not as good as Nadal or Federer pre-2011. Murray was incredible but not in the same class as Rafa,Roger and Novak.
@Thomas-fr1jk
@Thomas-fr1jk Год назад
​​@@luckyluke1503 in 2nd part of 2016 yes he was on the same level
@luckyluke1503
@luckyluke1503 Год назад
@@Thomas-fr1jk Well Not Really. He got lucky in Wimbledon because Federer and Djokovic lost before Finals to Raonic and Querry and that’s why he won it. And in US Open he lost to Nishikori.
@yeskimkim
@yeskimkim Год назад
I have all the respect in the world for him!
@TimJapan
@TimJapan Год назад
Nothing but respect for this man. Gritty and determined.
@andrew1212w
@andrew1212w Год назад
I think the big 3 made Murray play better and up his level in the slams his injury problems seemed to start after 2016 🎾
@imrizzle83
@imrizzle83 Год назад
The curse of playing with the big 3 is a fair shout but it probably forced him to be better, though I'm sure he would've won many more slams if we was playing 10 years earlier/later. But one thing for me, the gulf between Andy and #5 (and the rest) was massive. So glad he is still playing and getting some of the appreciation he deserves now
@jamesbedukodjograham5508
@jamesbedukodjograham5508 Год назад
It isnt playing against the big three on the ATP Tour you know somewhat.😊
@rlkinnard
@rlkinnard 10 месяцев назад
Good point
@jmac_519
@jmac_519 7 месяцев назад
This guy made me appreciate tennis and understand the game better than anyone else could have. I have followed him since 2010 and have watched literally hundreds of his matches since then. I am now 24 and there is no doubt in my mind that he will always hold the title of my favourite athlete of all time. He makes me proud to be a Scotsman and brought me more joy than any other athlete could! Retire on your own terms, Andy. You've made us incredibly proud!
@Shadow-te2qb
@Shadow-te2qb 8 месяцев назад
Serbia loves Andy Murray 💖🎾🏆 🇷🇸
@matthewcooke4011
@matthewcooke4011 Год назад
In his prime, Murray was an incredibly consistent player, reaching 11 slam finals. His problem, of course, is that he always ran into 1 or 2 of the Big 3 and rarely seemed to be able to maintain his top level against them for an entire match. He'd often be as strong (or better) than his Big 3 opponents for long periods, but then throw in a dodgy couple of games and the set was effectively gone. As has been mentioned, his 2nd serve was always a big problem when he wasn't quite firing on all cylinders.
@Leo-nc3yx
@Leo-nc3yx Год назад
It's about mindset and endurance, if he was the best "human" player alive, then the big 3 were "Gods" or "Aliens".He often lost his cool against the big 3, that's why Roger always toys with him in a GS. He got destroyed by Nadal because his playstyle is basically like a younger Nadal, a counterpuncher but passive. However Rafa developed a stronger forehand over the years, and he became an aggressive counterpunch. Murray could beat Rafa when he played aggressively, but he rarely does it. His mindset is stuck on outmaneuvering Nadal which is never gonna work. Then against Djokovic, he actually came really close to DJoker at one point, both rising stars coming into the league, and both reached the top 5 in 2 years. If you remembered correctly, Murray actually gave Novak a run for his money around that 2012~2013 time zone. Beat him twice in a GS final, and took him to the fifth set in 2012 AO, Novak's absolute prime. The only difference is mental and physical endurance IMO, the injuries came to him pretty soon unlike Djokovic, and he couldn't come back every year like Nadal did.
@mitchhills4747
@mitchhills4747 Год назад
@@Leo-nc3yx He did beat Nadal on clay though.....
@mikejones-tf6zo
@mikejones-tf6zo 10 месяцев назад
isn't murrary the poundland of the big 3
@Theemptythroneistaken
@Theemptythroneistaken Год назад
At his very best he was the 4th best tennis player in history imo (Based on level of play) I personally feel he would of beaten players like Agassi and sampras a lot more than they would of beaten him.
@71gmf
@71gmf 3 месяца назад
I love Andy Murray and he is easily one of top 10 best players of this century, if not top 5. Unfortunately for him, he was born on the same age as the top 3 of all time. Although that's also the reason he is one of the best of this century. It was insane how those three push the levels of everyone, and only Murray closed the gap between them and everyone else.
@brandonm8901
@brandonm8901 Год назад
At his peak I would rank his skills physical first, then technical, and then mental. However now I would say the opposite. Another good video, always happy to see Andy get some love
@glengarryglenross7127
@glengarryglenross7127 8 месяцев назад
No one can control how much natural ability they have but they can control his much effort they put in. Murray gave it everything he had
@dyk43
@dyk43 Год назад
Murray is an amazing player and fighter. Idk what people have against him
@jacktaylor9290
@jacktaylor9290 Год назад
He's too defensive and has a grumpy personality.
@mitchhills4747
@mitchhills4747 Год назад
@@jacktaylor9290 Defence is necessary. One of the most defensive players out there is no less than Djokovic after all.... and Murray isn't grumpy; just competitive!
@mikejones-tf6zo
@mikejones-tf6zo 10 месяцев назад
its the way he starts crying and whinging and fist pumps every point he wins, big deal
@dyk43
@dyk43 10 месяцев назад
@@mikejones-tf6zo believe what you want buddy. you know deep down that it’s not true
@robatkinson2125
@robatkinson2125 Год назад
His transition game was underrated
@TowfiqRafiBUET09
@TowfiqRafiBUET09 10 месяцев назад
Prime Stan was a beast too. Stan should get as much respect as Andy. :)
@jacktaylor9290
@jacktaylor9290 Год назад
Top 10 of all time I'd say. An excellent player but not a complete player. Had weaknesses that the Big 3 were consistently able to exploit.
@Ashtonishing1812
@Ashtonishing1812 Год назад
I would rank him about 12 in all time. Injury aside could've been top eight
@mrdarren1045
@mrdarren1045 11 месяцев назад
Consistently? His record vs Federer is lost 14 won 11. I'd hardly call that being dominated.
@georgestavrinides5082
@georgestavrinides5082 10 месяцев назад
I would say he was a complete player but lacked that extra gear, which Djokovic and Nadal had, and which Federer never really needed because of his raw talent. I remember him having many tough battles against Djokovic, where he'd be extremely competitive for the first two sets, usually 1 set a piece, but would then gradually fall apart. Technically, his main weakness was his second serve and his relatively average, by pro standards, forehand
@richarddeese1991
@richarddeese1991 Год назад
Thanks. The big 3 have dominated tennis in a way I don't think has a historical equal. I have a spreadsheet, which has the winners of the 4 majors from 2003 (Federer's 1st major win) through the present. Just to put into perspective how insane the chart looks, here are the stats for those 20 years (so far): The Big Three [Federer, Nadal, & Djokovic]: 64 majors (20, 22, & 22 respectively) 80.00% The Other Two [Murray & Wawrinka]: 6 majors (3 each) 7.50% EVERYBODY ELSE ON EARTH: 10 majors (but only 1 each) 12.50% In other words, the top 5 players have won 70 out of the 80 majors in that time. The "other two" are leagues behind the "big three", and nobody else has even managed to win 2 in that stretch. Now Federer has retired, injuries may have finally caught up with Nadal, & Djokovic isn't getting younger. Andy & Stan are well past there prime. We're soon to see a passing of the torch. I doubt any small group of players will ever be able to completely control the majors to the extent these guys have done. It's just totally nuts to even think about it. But it'll be fun to watch. tavi.
@Whiteeyy1
@Whiteeyy1 9 месяцев назад
I think just looking at majors skews the picture though. Murray was miles above Wawrinka. If you look at other tournaments, and world rankings, I’d guess that makes it clear.
@Oakdenalan
@Oakdenalan 8 месяцев назад
Yep he won way more masters titles / reached way more slam and masters finals too....plus olympics golds and Number 1 etc@@Whiteeyy1
@Oakdenalan
@Oakdenalan 8 месяцев назад
Better to do it from ~2009 once Djoko and Murray were properly established too. I think from 2009 to 2017 it's probably more like 87% 10% 3% split !!
@ianz5704
@ianz5704 Год назад
Andy Murray, the most unfortunate man in tennis history. If he was born in any other generation than that of the big three, he would have become an all-time great. Truly a mere mortal amongst Gods.
@mikejones-tf6zo
@mikejones-tf6zo 10 месяцев назад
either your good or your not end of story
@gratler
@gratler 4 месяца назад
Andy Murray is seriously underrated. he shared the primes of Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. just imagine how difficult it must be to win majors against these guys. was there another accomplished player in history facing a more difficult era?
@NamesAreRandom
@NamesAreRandom Год назад
Murray was just unfortunate that every time he got to a slam final he had to face one of the GOAT's who'd already won serveral slams - something none of the other three had to do. That bit of confidence that comes from being a slam winner took him much longer to acquire so cost him several slams. By 2016 however he was there - he was the best player of all of them on grass, he was the second best behind Novak on hard, and the third best behind Rafa/Novak on clay. He should have experienced a few glory years winning a slam or two a year but once again he was unlucky as his hip gave up. Still gotta thank him for what he gave us which was some great tennis, and plenty of excitement - the guy wears his heart on his sleeve and gives 110%. His best aspect was mental through his whole career, he won because other players knew he would grind them down and they would eventually lose. In his prime that meant they tended to hit out because they didn't want to grind and that just played into his hands with his excellent defensive skills.
@mrdarren1045
@mrdarren1045 11 месяцев назад
Don't forget he also won 2 Olympic golds
@brianswift2706
@brianswift2706 Год назад
That's a pretty fair summary. I enjoyed this video right up to the point you showed David fecking Cameron.
@tingyenahkee1447
@tingyenahkee1447 Год назад
He is a class above the rest during the era of the big 4 with his olympics titles and 3 GS & multiple finals but below the GOATs.
@tingyenahkee1447
@tingyenahkee1447 Год назад
In the history of atp tour i would evaluate his prime to a prime Agassi level
@mihailopavlovic2027
@mihailopavlovic2027 Год назад
I wouldnt say class above Wawrinka. Definently a better player, but prime Stan was a beast. Too bad he couldnt really show what he can do at Olympic level at his peak because a beast named Federer is also Swiss. He won 3 Grand slam titles, and that match against Đoković at Roland Garros in 2015 is one of the best matches I have seen someone play against Novak, especially cause that was prime Novak, in 2015 he was dominating everyone.
@tingyenahkee1447
@tingyenahkee1447 Год назад
​@@mihailopavlovic2027 True peak Wawrinka beats Murray but I pick Murray overall because he is more consistent and has won more titles. Wawrinka game matches up well against djokovic but not against Federer or Nadal
@tingyenahkee1447
@tingyenahkee1447 Год назад
When prime Murray was playing with the big 3 tennis was on another level Take a look at the year end top 10 rankings in these years where the level was quite high I think 2009: Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro, Davydenko, Roddick, Soderling, Verdasco, Tsonga 2013: Nadal, Djokovic, Ferrer, Murray, Del Potro, Federer, Berdych, Wawrinka, Gasquet, Tsonga 2014: Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Wawrinka, Nishikori, Murray, Berdych, Raonic, Cilic, Ferrer
@mihailopavlovic2027
@mihailopavlovic2027 Год назад
@@tingyenahkee1447 No no, I agree Murray's career is better overall, no question, I have just said it's not that huge of a difference. True, Wawrinka's explosive tennis was a great matchup for Novak, but not so much for Rafa or Roger. I just think Stan gets really underrated nowadays, he was a beast in his prime, but overall Murray > Wawrinka career wise
@sharonjaynelau3
@sharonjaynelau3 8 месяцев назад
He's VERY FREAKING GOOD. Top guy tbh
@JudyCZ
@JudyCZ 10 месяцев назад
I'm just glad he managed to win Wimbledon (twice, even!) and the Olympics. Especially the ones in 2012 in London. I'm a huge sucker for athletes winning in front of their home crowd.
@gwynjames
@gwynjames 3 месяца назад
The most exciting player to watch,if wasn’t for the big three he could of won so much,look how many slam finals he was in,but a three slam winner,two Olympic golds,a knighthood and world no1 ,the boy did good,had so many shots serve,lob,drop etc sadly I think we’ve seen the best of him wich is sad,but so good for the game
@mattjagar6324
@mattjagar6324 3 месяца назад
I always find it interesting how the big 3 and Murray are all in the same height zone, nadal and fed 6”1, Novak 6”2 and Murray 6”3
@DingKong
@DingKong 10 месяцев назад
He was awesome. An absolutely awesome player. Unfortunately his prime was cut short by injury. If he hadn't had his hip go I think he would have won more slams. When he reached world No.1 it was fully deserved - he was the best player in the mens' game at that point. It's still an illustrious career though: 46 Singles titles 3 Slams 2 Gold medals 1 Silver mixed doubles medal 1 Davis Cup Record number of Queens titles. What he's doing now, at his age, with a metal hip - is just as impressive in a different way. To be even competing at this point is a major achievement; he's paved the way for future athletes in all sports. Superb.
@TuanTran-qq6zs
@TuanTran-qq6zs 10 месяцев назад
Looking at how great murray was also shows how ridiculous good the big 3 were. Murray couldv won lots of grandslams easily if it wernt for the big 3. He literally has all the skills fitness and mentality, the gap between him and below top 5 were huge but the big 3 were just different
@YourBeingParanoid
@YourBeingParanoid Год назад
Without injury - capable of beating the top 3 on his day
@Sealdrop
@Sealdrop Год назад
4:00 that was thailand not us open
@marcusbrsp
@marcusbrsp 17 дней назад
Very hip of him to recover and manage to return to the top 100.
@johnsmith-px3xj
@johnsmith-px3xj Год назад
His problem was always his serve, that is the big difference between him and the big 3. His first serve would often go walkabout and his second serve was weak by ATP standards. That in a way dictated his style. He is criticised for being too defensive but he had to defend that weak second serve. If you could go back and give Murray a better serve, he would have won far more.
@mitchhills4747
@mitchhills4747 Год назад
Fair points but there have been times when Murray's serve has been brilliant. At the Olympics against Fed in the final for example. He hit loads of aces...
@trentdoyle7121
@trentdoyle7121 10 месяцев назад
2x Olympic gold, Davis cup, world number 1, 2x Wimbledon, US Open, heaps of slam finals. A knighthood. Still on the tour. Millions banked. I wouldn’t have many demons…❤
@maxpowers4436
@maxpowers4436 Год назад
Really good, all you need to know how good is take a look at some matches from 2010-2015 insane high match play
@paulcoffield2102
@paulcoffield2102 8 месяцев назад
Good enough to beat the Big3 29 times and beat the GOAT at least twice in a slam final, which only 2 others have done. Unfortunately his prime coincided with Nadal, Djokovic and Federer's (to a lesser extent) prime and they were just better, more talented players.
@hornets8568
@hornets8568 10 месяцев назад
If Murray retire, we got 2 guy, possibly three will emulate him. Norrie, Draper and Searle who just won junior Wimbledon title.
@Grivian
@Grivian 7 месяцев назад
He was like Djokovic, only slightly worse
@DavidMartinez-zd3wr
@DavidMartinez-zd3wr Год назад
No way, he was prob tied with djokovic for best returner and backhand, and 4 sure had the best lob. I think he might have a couple deep runs in slams left.
@M.L.official
@M.L.official Год назад
Lol let's not go crazy. He's got a worse return and bh than Djokovic. If it was equal or better, he would have more titles
@joshforde698
@joshforde698 Год назад
Murray has all time level backhand and return, but not quite on the level of Djokovic.
@DavidMartinez-zd3wr
@DavidMartinez-zd3wr Год назад
@@joshforde698 I feel like Murray's return is just a little bit more defensive than Djokovic's, but his backhand is more versatile, but he also uses it for defensive (probably too often)
@Leo-nc3yx
@Leo-nc3yx Год назад
@@M.L.official It's not crazy when you think about it, then how can he compete with the big 3 when his serve & forehand is obviously nowhere near any of them? Murray's strong suit was always counterpunching, returns, and BH. He got a superb lob, sadly it's not a big factor in games, he also is a more nature volleyer than Novak, and got a better touch. If I gonna rank it as a game Novak's forehand is an 8~8.5, and Murray's is a 6~7. I would say they both got a perfect score on BH, just like Roger & Rafa should get a perfect score on the forehand. There's one thing into consideration, Andy never has the flexibility of Novak, which allows him to stretch in a none human way. Plus endurance and mental are the 2 things that make Novak great, which Murray didn't possess.
@M.L.official
@M.L.official Год назад
@@Leo-nc3yx I didn't say it was nowhere near, but it is worse. Sure on some tournaments his backhand has been better than Novak's, but if you take a full season, more often than not, Novak wins out.
@angelor96
@angelor96 Год назад
Quick answer : Not as good as the big 3 but pretty much better than everyone else of that era.
@_disasterdon
@_disasterdon 11 месяцев назад
He felt blood in 2016 he went on some many tournaments just to get world number 1. And he did it with a price
@merpetihommohite
@merpetihommohite 10 месяцев назад
I remember Murray playing even though he was emotional like Djoke. I really loved him. I am very sad about Djoke winning more gs than Fed and Nadal I would have much rather preferred Murray there
@srimulia7929
@srimulia7929 10 месяцев назад
my children only remember him as the player who guards his character in Wimbledon bcos the Queen is there.
@mitchhills4747
@mitchhills4747 Год назад
Still the best lob in the game!
@Ashtonishing1812
@Ashtonishing1812 Год назад
Good video, but a couple of minor issues with some facts. He was the first British male player to win a Grand Slam in 77 years. Also you can call us British people Brits. Briton is unnecessary, if sweet..
@jonesy1589
@jonesy1589 11 месяцев назад
Prime Murray is the only player that could compete with Djokovic! In terms of athleticism! When both of them faced each other you knew you was gonna see a fast paced game. 4th greatest player in history imo
@ToiletTennis
@ToiletTennis 4 месяца назад
It's simple. Mury = GOAT
@dune7824
@dune7824 2 дня назад
I think the mental side blocked Murray from turning a few more of those finals into GS wins. He was the least mentally stable of the big 4.
@godsgamer7494
@godsgamer7494 Год назад
It's always been the Big Four
@user-gs3nz8xj5x
@user-gs3nz8xj5x 2 месяца назад
You mention he supported women’s tennis but you say “he was Britain’s first grand slam winner since Fred Perry”. No, we had female winners. You completely ignored women’s tennis
@davidmoore2308
@davidmoore2308 11 месяцев назад
Could have been up there with 6 or 7 grandslams but for the other 3
@caioscofield
@caioscofield 10 месяцев назад
I'm a fan of Andy Murray but it's completely nonsensical to put him on par with the big 3 as well as way above Stan the man. It's very clear for any pragmatist: big 3 are the big 3, and there's nobody else close, and next level are Andy followed by Stan and no one else close for their generation.
@Macca15
@Macca15 10 месяцев назад
If you think Stan and Murray are on the same level, you don't know a thing about tennis. Would you like to compare their career accomplishments? The only thing Stan did in his career was get hot for 3 major tournaments. For everything else, he is miles behind Murray. Even Wawrinka admits it's an insult to Murray to compare them.
@caioscofield
@caioscofield 10 месяцев назад
@@Macca15 the insult is to put Murray anywhere near the big 3. I simply said Murray is closer to Stan than he is to any of the big 3 which is a fact. Now, of course he has a leg up over Wawrinka but not far apart. Andy is #4, but calling it the "big 4" is outright ludicrous.
@Macca15
@Macca15 10 месяцев назад
@@caioscofield You don't have a clue what you're talking about. It isn't even remotely close. Murray: Year end number 1, 41 weeks at number 1, 2 Olympic singles golds, year end championships, 46 ATP tour titles, 14 Master Series titles, 11 major finals, 3 major titles. Now let's do Stan's career: Career high of world number 3 (held only briefly), 16 ATP tour titles, 1 Masters Series title, 4 major finals, 3 major titles. See the rather monumental difference? Now, let's hear what Stan said on the subject: "To honest I think it's unfair to include me in all that because they are in a completely different league to me. It's unfair on Andy. Those guys have been winning everything for fifteen years - Masters tournaments, year-end finals. Andy's won more than forty titles. I've had four or five good years, and it's been amazing. But I am behind them. Ahead of other players maybe, but behind them."
@caioscofield
@caioscofield 10 месяцев назад
@Macca15 you forgot to compare Andy to any of the big 3.
@Macca15
@Macca15 10 месяцев назад
@@caioscofield Murray's achievements don't compare to the big 3. The point is he's in an entirely different league to Stan. You said they were close. They aren't. Objectively, Murray's career is infinitely superior to Stan's.
@AC852HK
@AC852HK 10 месяцев назад
Prime Murray is very good but not smart like the old Murray now 🫶🏻 prime Murray relied too much on his physical body , old Murray is more wiser , shot selection is way better , wish the prime Murray have the knowledge of the current Murray ❤
@davidmoore2308
@davidmoore2308 11 месяцев назад
The trouble was he had to beat one of the top 3 just to get in to the finals then beat another.
@n._scents
@n._scents Год назад
IMO Murray lacked a really good FH and 2nd serve to go higher, he was as good as the Big 3 in every aspects of the game.
@ekim4926
@ekim4926 Год назад
Tough to say “higher”, the guy was so much better than the fifth player on tour, whoever that was
@Javier-ox8ui
@Javier-ox8ui 11 месяцев назад
Remember when ppl said big 4
@samuelbrown4764
@samuelbrown4764 Год назад
I have no doubt that if he hadn’t gotten hurt in 2017. The year djokovic was out. It would’ve been MURRAY getting those hardcourt and grass slams, and masters 1000 titles. Not federer
@baptistelleshi1090
@baptistelleshi1090 9 месяцев назад
2017 australian open+ sunshine double + wimbledon FED beats every single version of Murray let’s not be dumb look at what he did to him in a worse shape at wimb 2015
@Oakdenalan
@Oakdenalan 8 месяцев назад
I disagree, Murray was absolutely on fire in 2016, Djoko had fallen off, Nadal and Fed had been gone a while. Fed only won one Slam when all the other three were in their prime....Murray could have won at least another 2 slams if not for his hip.@@baptistelleshi1090 . Swap Murray for Federer for their ages / Eras and I dare say Murray would have more slams than Fed, as Murrary could have beaten Hewitt / Sampras / Agassi in slam Finals whereas evidently Federer wasn't quite as good as Nadal or Djoko...although still absolutely amazing ofcourse...
@baptistelleshi8099
@baptistelleshi8099 7 месяцев назад
Is*
@seltaeb3302
@seltaeb3302 8 месяцев назад
I hate word 'underrated', its everywhere on RU-vid, mainly by Millennials, if they dont know it, then it must be underrated by default. Underrated on RU-vid is, well, overrated.
@bhavanir9771
@bhavanir9771 8 месяцев назад
Prime stan was better than prime murray
@TheseHoesAreLoyal
@TheseHoesAreLoyal 8 месяцев назад
That's why Wawrinka won only one 1 masters title and never reached world no.1 and Murray won 14 and stayed as world no.1 for 52 weeks, I see
@bhavanir9771
@bhavanir9771 8 месяцев назад
@@TheseHoesAreLoyal PRIME. A more devastating player was stan.... murray was the more consistent
@TheseHoesAreLoyal
@TheseHoesAreLoyal 8 месяцев назад
@@bhavanir9771 nope, Murray in his prime still stomps And who tf except you cares about prime level when Murray's career and stats are much better than Wawrinka's?
@megaapfel
@megaapfel Год назад
Not good enough to beat Federer and Nadal consistently. Still a very good player.
@supdjdjgamez
@supdjdjgamez Год назад
True…. But only the big 3 could consistently beat one another. The fact is Murray was the biggest challenge to them in his prime
@M.L.official
@M.L.official Год назад
His record against Federer is pretty good. Novak played him way more times than Roger and Rafa though.
@ullswater6
@ullswater6 9 месяцев назад
It doesn't matter what anyone says. When he won Wimbledon for the first time, he really was the smartest player in the world. Djokovic was humbled... in straight sets, no less... and it's not like the vaccine cheating new age science Jesus wannabe was injured or below his best, either. Andy Murray was simply the better player at that particular moment, and the best in the world, too.
@TheseHoesAreLoyal
@TheseHoesAreLoyal 8 месяцев назад
In Djoko's defense he had an insanely gruelling match against Del Potro in the semifinals before he faced against Murray in that 2013 Wimbledon final, but Murray deserved that title more than anyone else. A well-deserved win against Verdasco, reached the final in 2012, played better in that 2013 Wimbledon tournament than anyone else, etc. Also you have no right to call out someone especially an athlete on his or her decision to get vaccinated. It's not your body.
@jackbarnett7095
@jackbarnett7095 Год назад
WOULD'VE BEEN THE GOAT IF NOT FOR THE BIG 3
@Divvy21
@Divvy21 Год назад
Eh, love murray, but sampras, agassi, borg, etc were better. Murray is for sure top 15 of all time though
@amitpatel3071
@amitpatel3071 Год назад
I would’ve been the goat if not for the big 7 billion
@ekim4926
@ekim4926 Год назад
@@Divvy21 there was a simulation that thinks that he would have gotten 17 Slams if not for Big 3 His level might not be as high but the guy was not giving up
@Divvy21
@Divvy21 Год назад
@@ekim4926 I think playing against the big 3 made Murray a better player IMO.
@taylorbrewer5852
@taylorbrewer5852 Год назад
Acting like Stan wawrinka doesn’t exist
@joshforde698
@joshforde698 Год назад
Murray compared to the Big Three, probably where he falls short is that he was arguably not better than all three of the others at anything. Second to Djokovic with the backhand, arguably second behind Federer with his hands & touch, probably just behind Djokovic for his speed and physicality, behind Djokovic for return, probably the worst forehand and arguably the worst serve.
@robatkinson2125
@robatkinson2125 Год назад
But had the best lob shot
@robatkinson2125
@robatkinson2125 Год назад
His volleys were better than Djokovics
@joshforde698
@joshforde698 Год назад
@@robatkinson2125 Best lob for sure, but I'd include that in overall handskills, which Federer is the king of, better volleys than Djokovic, but not Federer.
@mohammadsayed5631
@mohammadsayed5631 Год назад
Literally there is a video novak said that Murray the best backhand common in his prime he was returning everything 😂😂
@joshforde698
@joshforde698 Год назад
@@mohammadsayed5631 Yes, Djokovic said that, because he's not going to say that his own backhand is the best (even though it is).
@ryoshusuke2108
@ryoshusuke2108 Год назад
This video is extremely disrespectful! How could you forget the fourth man that consistently battled with the Big Three? If you don’t know how good Andy Murray was in his prime, you don’t know tennis. You’re probably newbie who grew up in the nextgen era post 2017
@M.L.official
@M.L.official Год назад
What 😂
@matthewturner2803
@matthewturner2803 Год назад
The video is literally about Andy Murray?
@l.rongardner2150
@l.rongardner2150 11 месяцев назад
If Roger Federer, Rafa Nadal, and Novak Djokovic had never existed, Andy Murray would be the GOAT of tennis.
@liamcannon9617
@liamcannon9617 Год назад
Its unfortunate that they rigged the draws against him
@AtmosphericAtmosphere
@AtmosphericAtmosphere Год назад
In the prime he was there on top with Novak.....
@apathak34
@apathak34 Год назад
I wouldn't call Murray one of the smartest players. If he was smarter he wouldn't have been so passive in large parts of his career. He got way more success when he played more aggressive.
@shonnyNOR
@shonnyNOR 10 месяцев назад
Much like UK, - a has-been.
@fransiscoscaramanga674
@fransiscoscaramanga674 Год назад
i almost cracked up in tears laughing so hard as i read the comments. no way was he as good as the top three, he was a solid c plus player before the hip injury. let's get real.....
@supdjdjgamez
@supdjdjgamez Год назад
So much nonsense in your comment… you obviously don’t know tennis!
@jacobschmidt2709
@jacobschmidt2709 Год назад
C+? Watch Murray matches in 2012- 2013 and 2016 and tell me that with a straight face.
@brucemcguire5684
@brucemcguire5684 Год назад
World number #1 when he injured his hip……C+
@fransiscoscaramanga674
@fransiscoscaramanga674 Год назад
@@brucemcguire5684 lifetime head to head against nadal 7-17, against djokovic 11-25, against fed 11-14....... again, andy was good, not great... a solid c plus player......
@fransiscoscaramanga674
@fransiscoscaramanga674 Год назад
@@brucemcguire5684 ah, Nole current world number one at 35........going on 389 weeks. rate that!
@zokkostenniszone3282
@zokkostenniszone3282 Год назад
Overrated, no single big weapon means he rarely could hurt the 3 kings during crunch time @ the slams, 1- 5 vs Roger, 2 - 5 vs Novak, 2 - 7 versus Rafa spells exactly what he is compared to the best ever : MEDIOCRE !
@synhet84
@synhet84 Год назад
There is literaly tones of players with a better slice than Murray tbh...
@user-ll7eb9yd5d
@user-ll7eb9yd5d Год назад
Putting feminist bs of equal pay as something positive is... questionable.
@anandparmeswaran6681
@anandparmeswaran6681 10 месяцев назад
Joker Improved in his drawbacks , while Andy Murray did not try to Improvise more in his drawbacks
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