How Joseph Smith Came Up with the Olive Tree Allegory [RFM 349]

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Radio Free Mormon continues his dive into the Book of Mormon and takes a look at the evidence of how Joseph Smith created in regards to Jacob and the Olive Tree allegory
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@erintucker934 Месяц назад

I liked the intro. I now know this is a presentation of information not necessarily meant to be faith promoting. I was so confused before 😁

@timothyfowers Месяц назад

First off, i dont know how you find the time to make all your podcasts. I love them! Second, you show a good humuour in admitting your podcast is knowledge promoting and not faith promoting, in reponse to pysch ward radios podcast where they lost their minds about this podcast. I rarely see this kind of good humour coming from their side. But these two observations pale into the freaking awesome points you make about the antecedents to the olive tree allegory. Im seriously impressed in Josephs Smiths ability to riff on other scruptures! Im not impressed with the things he got wrong about science, which usually is more persuasive than emotional arguments, but not always which is why scriptures can be powerful. Thanks RFM, when im able to work out my finances i plan on donating to the cause. You have done more for my mental health than paying 10 percent of my income ever has, i appreciate you so much.

@99blackbirds Месяц назад

I agree with you Tim. I"m a liberal progressive Mormon. I blame Brigham Young for all the problems in the church and hate that our leaders seem to love and follow Brigham Youngs' concept of ignorance and obedience. I still believe in Joseph Smith. To me its like a dinner plate. The ex-mos love to pick apart the peas but ignore the Steak or meat! This presentation still confirms to me that Joseph SMith was brilliant, its complex, its beautiful. Yes you can always find similarities and patterns in everything but when you put it ALL together the Book of Mormon was brilliant and it does testify of Jesus Christ. Our current leaders just love power and control. I wish I could take the "cult" out of the church and fix everything. Have the leaders be more Christlike and not like the strict Pharisees. "do the righ thing"

@DancingQueenie Месяц назад

Too bad Lehi forgot to take olive trees with them on the boat. Subsequent Nephites, who never lived in the Middle East, be like “olives”? 🤔

@LifeAfterBelief Месяц назад

Exactly! Like Jesus referencing going the extra mile to the Nephites. A reference that only makes sense in the Roman world.

@Jsppydays Месяц назад

Excellent podcast. Thank you radio free!

@zon3665 Месяц назад

RFM is corrupt fruit cumbering the ground of God's vineyard. RFM is fuel for the coming fire to be burned out of God's vineyard as bad fruit.

@sgee-vc1hz Месяц назад

Good work RFM --- fabulous episode for folks like me who had no idea how often the olive tree story is referenced.

@goatymacgoatface6544 Месяц назад

Didn't it get referenced in the latest general conference? I don't want to look for it myself, but maybe someone else remembers.

@drakelazerus Месяц назад

Awesome episode, thanks

@aliceaubalmasque3645 Месяц назад

Very good ! thanks RFM

@whitesalamander Месяц назад

Another fabulous forensic foray by LDSH Latter Day Sherlock Holmes aka Radio Free Mormon. Mormonism under his magnifying glass is kick-ass analysis of Joseph Smith’s fingerprints scattered throughout the crime scene of The Restoration. 🔎

@rmj4978 Месяц назад

Loved this!!!

@DirtmopAZ Месяц назад

I don’t know who you are, but I’m so thankful for all the new stuff I’m learning about the church from this church approved RU-vid channel. I am a child, 10 years of age. I went to RU-vid and typed “Mormon Sunday School” and found this clearly church approved channel. The spirit confirmed to me that it is true.

@1faedo Месяц назад

😊

@brokernathan Месяц назад

😅

@CandlewickLibrary 29 дней назад

😂

@edbutzwiggle4227 Месяц назад

Thanks RFM. Interesting and entertaining as ever. I look forward to your vids.

@Santiago-cr9xz Месяц назад

¡¡Rigth on RFM!!!

@jake8882 Месяц назад

Rfm...you know some serious stuff. Love it. Thank you

@jeffcarlin5866 9 дней назад

When I was on my mission, I rewrote the fifth chapter of Jacob and removed A LOT of the redundant language. In my rewrite, the vineyard was our mission. I was nervous, but I shared it with my mission president. He read it and complimented me and shared it with several others in our mission. I baptized sixteen people as a missionary in the Philippines, but the warm reception of my allegory was the highlight of my mission. Now, almost twenty years later, I realize that Joseph Smith's allegory is not that fantastic or profound.

@wandaAnthony2 Месяц назад

CATCHING THE REPLAY; PINBALL PREPAREDNESS HAS ME AT 8:00 CENTRAL.

@eclipse-sh1qmZ3mOtcua Месяц назад

TWO odd words from the KJV were taken by Joseph Smith and put in the Book of Mormon: "dung it" with "dung" used as a verb, and "cumber." Thanks. Those are good points.

@sme91158 Месяц назад

I'm confused. Didn't you say that Luke uses the same allegory of grafting wild olive branches onto a good tree? Did they get horticulture wrong too? Or did I miss something?

@landon4278 Месяц назад

Yes, but it doesn’t make the fruit tame. Mormons don’t see themselves as gentiles, but grafted into the tribes of Israel, meaning they come from wild trees being grafted in and becoming good fruit. In Luke a wild olive branch can get nourishment from the mother tree, but the fruit never becomes tame.

@sme91158 Месяц назад

@@landon4278 OK thank you

@Coastal1931 Месяц назад

RFM to your point about the wild branches being grafted in to the tame hall of tree. Samuel Taylor coloridge said that the best way to ruin a good analogy is to try to make it stand on all four legs. It might not be a sign that Joseph Smith made up the Book of Mormon that the analogy is not perfect, It might be a sign that the author, Zenus, Was a quality writer.

@drbulbul Месяц назад

I was going to call RFM a literal wolf in sheep's clothing, but then i realised that sheep don't wear clothing, which makes a literal interpretation of the metaphor a bit problematic.

@charlesmendeley9823 Месяц назад

You are actually right in that RFM wears a suit and a necktie, which means we have to believe anything he says.

@gateway6827 Месяц назад

Smith is screwing up a couple of allegories. An olive tree or a fig tree can't bear bad fruit. It either has fruit or NO fruit. See Matthew 7:16-17 : "every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit"

@moesyah Месяц назад

something tells me benedict cumberdung has something to do with this

@patriciafinn5717 Месяц назад

It was so boring amd long winded. It just baffled me..

@zon3665 Месяц назад

It's an allegory not literal. It has allusions to the House of Israel. The message has nothing to do about horticulture. Nice try !

@charlesmendeley9823 Месяц назад

Who claimed it was literal?

@jonny6man Месяц назад

How does this allegory have nothing to do with horticulture? The entire reason it's an allegory is because it's supposed to compare the house of Israel with Olive trees. Nice try!

@Coastal1931 Месяц назад

Most con jobs fall apart on closer scrutiny. This one keeps getting more elaborate after 200 years. If Joseph Smith were a con, that means he made up a sophisticated allegory on a subject. He wasn’t directly familiar, and tried to use it to con people who weren’t familiar with the subject of the allegory. By this analysis, if I weren’t TBM, Joseph Smith is a literary genius, but a very poor con man. He never made a dime off the Book of Mormon.

@terrillmel Месяц назад

And yet the first thing he did after it was published, was travel to Canada in an attempt to sell in the book of Mormon for a huge sum. He did make plenty of money, acquired much land, dubbed himself King, ran for president, And espoused over 30 wives. I'm not sure he was the humble lonely man you assert.

@Coastal1931 Месяц назад

@terrillmel Most con men try to acoid close scrutiny. This allegory seems to invite a closer reading. If Joseph was a con why is he doing the exact opposite thing a con man would do?

@timlewis7218 Месяц назад

Foolish. Dig deeper into what's going on under your nose. The Mormon church is a criminal organization that feeds off it's innocent members.

@terrillmel Месяц назад

@@Coastal1931 sorry I'm not sure I understand, why is this the opposite?

@Coastal1931 Месяц назад

Con men dont like close scrutiny. They choose their victims carefully avoiding critical thinkers. This allegory seems to invite close scrutiny, not avoid it.

@Spark_Horizion Месяц назад

Funny how it was a book that was stupid and hardly complex form early critics to holy krap we have to explain these complexities 😂😂 how even the original anti’s can’t agree with the new anti’s funny truly funny to see such disunity with actual historical evidence to so that no way in hell could JS write the Book of Mormon

@Sirwalter2008 Месяц назад

It means JS copied from somewhere.. as he did for everything else.

@Spark_Horizion Месяц назад

@@Sirwalter2008 where is your proof because all the witnesses of the translation disagree with what you said.

@rmj4978 Месяц назад

@@Spark_Horizion It takes years of serious scripture study to get to this point. Our church curriculum doesn’t lead the learner to examine text in a more meaningful and meticulous way, unless a teacher makes special effort and follows their own ‘inspiration’. For the BoM the church did not even release a teachers manual, probably because there wasn’t much difference between versions…Art of boring repetition! It works for a little while and soon after looses its spark! We all need to examine the scriptures more thoroughly…there’s much we don’t know. Defending the church when is having some truth issues is complicated. RFM did a fabulous job, without the need for a rock and a hat! 😅

@Spark_Horizion Месяц назад

@@rmj4978 ummm the history of the people in the book were from the tribe of Israel you know the people who Jesus was sent to as stated in the Bible. And secondly it’s an abridgment of the entire history of those people who are basically gone if not they are gone. And secondly you want the Book of Mormon to be true otherwise what Jesus said about returning in this generation and that they shouldn’t pass away well tough luck because to actually know the truth you go to the earliest sources and all believers and critics of JS during his life called him unlearned, ignorant, stupid, and critics say the Book of Mormon was a terrible written book that wasn’t completely. So again yes you are trying to explain away witness of the man JS was from both believers and critics which is a terrible way to explain away something that is the word of God

@Spark_Horizion Месяц назад

@@rmj4978 ummm what’s come follow me they have study guides you just have to look for them

@peterhook2258 Месяц назад

so , you are proving that JS stuff is in line with parts of the Bible...lol okay I accept.

@conductorsearle Месяц назад

He's proving that JS fabricated the BoM by paraphrasing the Bible and also pulling stuff out of his sex-trafficking conman a**. It's hilarious what Mormons think is a mic drop.

@rmj4978 Месяц назад

You’re missing the point! You may have to listen to podcast again or study your scriptures more closely.

@charlesmendeley9823 Месяц назад

RFM proves that Joe plagiarized the whole thing from the bible and from previous ideas he already dictated.