If anyone of us r looking to buy a car for OpenPilot, try to look at their list of 'Compatible Cars We Recommend' at comma.ai. It is ranked for a reason, I believe. Although, if it is up to me, I'd put all supported Toyotas/Lexus/Hyundai at that page. Otherwise, refer to the 'Supported Cars' list in their github page. My advice would be get a car with ACC by OpenPilot (not stock), with 'No ACC accel below' and 'No ALC below' with values of 0 mph.
Thank you for the basic DD (deep dive). Looking forward to installing this on my next vehicle‼️ Have known this system a few years back, but never had a car that can use it yet.
Hi thanks a lot for detailed explanation, could you please let me know if I can install on Mitsubishi Outlander SEL 2023 this module ? since it also built similar to Nissan Rogue platform.
I was wondering about the openpilot speed display. Does this use the information directly from the speed sensor on the car or is it the GPS figured speed? I am asking because my Toyota car display is 3 mph difference then the speed that openpilot is displaying and I am wondering why
It’s using real wheel speed data that’s taken from the vehicle’s wheel speed sensors. Basically all factory speedometers are scaled conservatively to read slightly lower, the faster you go the bigger the gap in indicated speed vs true speed. Manufacturers wouldn’t want their cars reading slower than true speed so they hedge against that. Also a cushion for small changes in tire diameters when you get new tires. For example a .25” of tread height difference would be 1mph difference at a speed of 55mph for your average 17” wheel/tire combo.
@@LoganLeGrand Your first and second paragraphs appear contradictory to me. 1. Factory speedometers read slightly lower (I assume that means they display lower than true speed). 2. Manufacturers don't want cars reading slower than true speed, so they hedge against that. So which is it. The speed displayed is higher or lower than the true speed?
@@LoganLeGrand Well, you mentioned specifically how the man-in-the-middle is challenging for some cars. I’d like to see further discussion about that. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee with stock longitudinal. I’d like to have a better understanding as to why it doesn’t have OP long.
As always this video was very helpful to understand the various system and why openpilot in my chrysler Pacifica Hybrid uses the stock and have limitations.
For anyone reading this. to have full stop/go longitudinal and latitude control you must have a toyota with TSS2.0 FULL Dynamic Speed Range Control or greater. So if you are looking for a new car keep this in mind. This is present on all xle, xse and hybrid trims. And apparently all the corolla trims. Bahhhhhh.i really wish i knew this. Check the toyota website for this detail. Once again look for Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC). Good luck and enjoy I'm a little annoyed this isn't made more clear in the open pilot community. I got a new 2021 camry se and I don't have that so I'm returning my comma ai. I'll get a comma again with my next car
The Camry is very odd. Almost all new Toyota’s work at all speeds except a couple trim levels of the Camry. Also some Lexus models have the same “high-speed dynamic cruise control” and not the “all-speed” version. It is made clear which cars uses stock cruise and which dont, but all cars are still limited by the factory capabilities somewhat. Like some Honda’s don’t have steering control under a certain speed, but that’s also laid out in the supported cars list as well. I would still think OpenPilot is worth it even if it doesn’t work below a certain speed. There are probably some custom forks that can further improve that specific car’s performance even more than stock OpenPilot.
I loved mine when it was working. It overheated and stopped working after a year and two months and 22K miles. Will cost either $500 for a replacement head with no warranty or $1200 for a new unit with a 1 year warranty. I decided that all it ever does is steer the car.....which I really loved....but it was not worth the $90 a month it cost to have it for just a short amount of time. It now sits in a drawer with no way to get it fixed according to Coma AI.
$1200 for 14 months would be about $86 a month if you want a warranty. $500 for 14 months is $37 per month. So big premium for a warranty but $500 replacement isn’t too bad of a deal IMO. I’m sure some people might still see the value there but understandable if you don’t. It is developmental hardware so I wouldn’t expect consumer quality even though there is a full 1 year warranty on any defects.
Different versions of Safety Sense and different Toyota models have differences in how they work. TSS2.0 seem to all consolidate at the adas module behind the camera, but some vehicles like the Prius still have what’s called a DSU, which is under the dash and not as easily accessible. You can see which cars have what type of control by checking out the Supported Cars list here: github.com/commaai/openpilot#supported-cars
Hello Logan. Nice video, thank you for sharing. Might there be a video on how to add support for a Make/Model if it is currently not supported? I've read the Medium articles from Comma, but perhaps more people (meaning me, haha) could use a streamlined, up-to-date video version?
It’s definitely above my knowledge level to do a new car port, but I could maybe at least explain what all is involved in porting a new vehicle. It would also depend a lot on if the vehicle is similar to an existing one or not. I would like to do a video similar to this to explain why some cars aren’t supported like Ford vehicles for example. They have some technical limitations.
I also plan on following up on this video with one about openpilot safety and how these systems work together and actually have multiple layers of redundancy built in. So look for that one!
@@LoganLeGrand Awesome. Thank you so much. A big thing I remember from one of the videos was that Openpilot is constantly updated whereas factory software is only updated during service, if at all. That's a huge thing for me.
