MLB's Hit King is also MLB's Biggest Scumbag

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The recent Shohei Ohtani/Ippei Mizuhara gambling scandal has reignited a decades old debate: does Pete Rose belong in the Baseball Hall of Fame?
Pete Rose is one of the most controversial and well-known figures in sports history. MLB's all-time Hit King bet on baseball, including betting on his own Cincinnati Reds while he was player-manager and manager of the club. Beyond that, he's lied about his actions for decades, never repented, and potentially committed even more heinous acts beyond the gambling.
This video is why I think he should NEVER be allowed into Cooperstown.
Dowd Report: www.thedowdreport.com/report.pdf
Music:
• Pete Rose Soundtrack
Chapters:
0:00 Who is Pete Rose?
1:25 Pete Rose Timeline
8:08 Disproving the Talking Points
14:58 Pete's other Crimes

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@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

I have been informed that I misspelled "hypocrisy," feel free to unsubscribe for my idiocy 💔💔

@tranquilo6897 21 день назад

Haters gonna hate but it doesn't change the content. Keep being the best.

@stephenbianchi7141 21 день назад

Hipocrazy

@Mr4one6 21 день назад

You made some great, well thought out points

@kenw2225 21 день назад

Hippopotamuscrisy

@sportspokerguy3506 21 день назад

The all star game used to determine whether the AL or NL got home field advantage in the World Series which is why it wasn’t just an exhibition and Pete ran over fosse - trying to win - that’s a much better reason to not subscribe than misspelling a word lol

@jockoadams3377 13 дней назад

"I wished I had an interpreter in the 1970s-1980s" Did Pete just quietly admit that he was betting on baseball as a player all along?

@Drogon7102 4 дня назад

Yeah

@nathanreynolds6459 21 день назад

I love the example about how Rose’s managerial decisions would be influenced by his gambling. Who knows if he intentionally saved his best relievers for a game he had a wager on, sacrificing the games that he didn’t have money on. The fact that Johnny Bench said he shouldn’t be a HOF should tell fans that Rose is not a good person

@dredwick 20 дней назад

So, what if he didn't bet on his team, and he still did the exact same thing... would it be wrong then? Let's say he didn't make a bet, but still saved his best relievers... does that make it wrong? If so, then you are essentially saying that the REASON you do something makes your act of doing something right or wrong. I could donate all my money to charity, but its only a good thing if I did it out of pure kindness? If I did it to get some sort of tax relief, then it doesn't mater? Smfh, this is ridiculous thinking. Especially for a sport.

@FourFriends-gk8lz 17 дней назад

@@dredwick All of that is irrelevant. The fact that its casts ANY DOUBT, WHATSOEVER on the game and it's outcome is the problem. That's what "the integrity of the game" MEANS. And there is NO WAY you can prove his decision weren't altered by his betting or not betting.

@dredwick 17 дней назад

@@FourFriends-gk8lz There is no way you can prove that he ever bet on his team as a player or that he ever bet for his team to lose as a player-manager. In fact, there is no way you can prove that his betting altered the outcome of the game. And since you are the one making the claim that his betting affected the integrity of the game, the burden of evidence lies with you. The issue is that people want to use Rose's betting to redefine what is integral to the game. Just like when the Hall of Fame rules were changed in 1991 to keep people off the list. "Integrity" is just a smokescreen to control the perception of the game. Otherwise the MLB would have already banned steroid users from being in the Hall of Fame, and they would have been banned from the entire league altogether like Rose. Because steroids actually do affect a game, unlike betting on your team to win. Not to mention the use of illegal substances to alter the spin rate of a pitch... that actually does affect the game. Anyone making an argument about the integrity of the game regarding Rose should 100% have the same views regarding steroids and illegal substances.

@desertdogguy 16 дней назад

Pete Rose is such a POS. He ruined several pitchers careers so he could win his bets. Thanks for the video just subscribed. 💪🏽⚾️

@dredwick 16 дней назад

@@desertdogguy "Ruined" their career? Hmmmm, that's a bit dramatic.

@pamsuepmnos2371 21 день назад

Honey wake up a 20 minute long Pete Rose diss track just dropped

@J.C... 21 день назад

Just, stop. This is soooo played out.

@Drogon7102 4 дня назад

Certified pedophile wopwopwopwop

@Badtown1988 17 дней назад

Thank you for this. I personally wouldn’t lose any sleep if Rose was reinstated, but the idea that he’s somehow entitled or that he was railroaded by the baseball establishment is laughable despite how mainstream it’s become. He played with fire and got burned.

@ShadowLinkHD 21 день назад

Pete's reaction to anyone saying Ichiro has more proffesional hits than him is enough to not like him 👍

@just_radical 21 день назад

Okay, but Pete Rose believing that Ichiro having more hits would somehow make Pete Rose the Hit Queen as if he will be presented to Ichiro as a diplomatic bride for the stability of relations between the kingdoms of MLB and NPB and expected to bear Hit Princes and Princesses is hilarious.

@brianmanuel4435 20 дней назад

I didn’t like him from that day forward, cowardly loser energy written all over it.

@ronaldrollins1558 20 дней назад

4256 is the record period its MLB records not Japanese MLB records .

@ShadowLinkHD 20 дней назад

@@ronaldrollins1558 Notice how I didn't mention the MLB record. Pete has that record, it's undeniable. But his remarks following someone asking how he felt about Ichiro passing that mark if you combine both professional leagues came across as an extremely bitter and racist old asshole.

@henrywallacesghost5883 19 дней назад

Ichiro would have been the hit king but unfortunately they have that stupid rule in Japan where they hold the professional rights to their players. That's why I think MLB should do more scouting on Japanese and Korean players when they are younger and get them before they go pro.

@Lee86THUNDER 22 дня назад

If they want to stop bad actors from impacting the game the mlb needs to drop these bad umpires

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

It’s been bad this week in particular idk what’s going on

@kenw2225 21 день назад

They dont care. They loved the money made of steroids, and prectically turned a blind eye to astros and red sox cheating at an organizational level. Gave out mickey mouse punishments and trying to sweep it under the rug. I disagree about rose not being in. I dont even like the guy, but its hypocrisy to leave him out. The league doesnt want players betting or compromised, so they dont get undermined when theyre trying to fix the games the way they want to. And yea, the umps and their trash calls are used in a big way to massage outcomes.

@MMMAXIMO 20 дней назад

@@kenw2225 100%

@charlesdoyle3630 20 дней назад

@@kenw2225The problem is Rose is ehy Rose is not in. Rule number one should be protect yourself at any cost. Legally speaking of course. Rose failed to do that. He was followed for over a month. The man at one point had a deal that would keep him out of prison, forgive his gambling debts, and eventually let him in HOF. He screwed that up. And we are talking 6 figure gambling debts. Rose had some associates of less than stellar character behavior wise. After having gone throught that already with Black Sox scandal they did want to take a chance of it happening again. The mob was still around at this point. The repeated lying by Rose did not help. Rose thought he was above the sport. That is not to say MPB is not in its own way hypocritical. They knew he had a major gambling problem for decades and did nothing. Granted when Rose started playing to gamble you went to a bookie. Also no Gamblers anonymous either. For Rose to get even a chance to get in he has to release a public statement apology to the fans of baseball in general and not to the commisioner of.

@TheGbelcher 18 дней назад

The umps are worst than pitching changes, the shift, gambling, steroids, and sticky stuff combined.

@bennylevine387 17 дней назад

What bugged me about him was how he talked about his crime. He'd bring up worse offenders or worse crimes of people who may be in the Hall. As if he absorbs some triumph from other people being f-ups. He's just an egomaniacal guy who is also stupider than he thinks he is. And if he took some better advice on how to handle this, he'd already be in. A baseball genius and a total zero when it came to this whole affair, how he handled it, and how to deal with people and put himself in a better light.

@hailmaryrecordings8255 22 дня назад

Pete Rose *did* bet on his own team, and that’s what I feel is unforgivable. I grew-up in the 70’s & 80’s. I saw Pete play at Wrigley Field several times and he was a great ball-player that we ALL respected, even if we hated him. It’s a shame.

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

This is exactly it. The guy was an INCREDIBLE ballplayer, an incredibly fun guy to watch, and a great face of the league while he was playing. While watching the highlights, I totally understand why he was so beloved. It's a shame that he did it at all, it's a shame that he lied about it, and it's a shame that he never tried to grow as a person.

@SconnerStudios 22 дня назад

Bet on them winning. Who cares about that? In fact, I would encourage players to do so, because it would make them even more motivated to win. It gets pretty boring even for the players by game 162, especially if you aren't a playoff contender. Plus it's an addiction, much like how we're realizing that drug addicts shouldn't go to prison. They should've sent pete as an inpatient to some rehab for a year then put him on indefinite probation and let him back in MLB provided he continues to pass those probation conditions.

@Bountoxx 22 дня назад

No way youre not related to the man.if not thats unhealthy@@SconnerStudios

@user-ty4qs6nc7v 21 день назад

@@Bountoxx are you not betting on your team to win just by taking the field? You get paid to play. In some sports you get paid if you do win.

@isaiahknight2755 21 день назад

@@SconnerStudios I feel the same way but after thinking about it I guess it is possible if a player is always betting on his team to win anytime he doesn't place a bet it could be seen as a signal it'll be thrown. It's easier to just not have to regulate that and worry about it but yeah I don't get the outrage over a bet that would only motivate you.

@hipstereagle6050 21 день назад

There’s a story out there where a collector is at a baseball convention as asks for a Pete Rose worn jersey. The seller asks what team, home or away, what era of the jersey and what size. This alludes to Pete feeding the market needing the money to cover gambling debts

@AndThatsBaseball 21 день назад

There might be more Rose signatures floating around out there than every other signature combined Had Gioiosa faking his signature in the 80s, wonder what he needed the extra money for 🤔

@J.C... 21 день назад

Huh?

@unchainedsora3406 21 день назад

It's amazing the amount of historical whitewashing around Rose. It's always driven me crazy. Also, did I hear the BO2 main menu theme at around the 5:00 minute mark?

@dredwick 20 дней назад

Kinda like the whitewashing around Babe Ruth. And every other white baseball player.

@brentw0681 18 дней назад

B02 the 🐐, good times.

@jokersinurface 21 день назад

Pete's gambling goes back to when he was a kid. Reading "Charlie Hustle: The Rise and Fall of Pete Rose, and the Last Glory Days of Baseball by Keith O'Brien" It documents how Pete was gambling way before he even put on a Major League uniform. As a kid, Pete used to play dice and other gambling rackets on his block. Pete's father also bet on horses and took Pete to the horse track with him. His accomplishments will always be overshadowed by his gambling.

@litojonny 22 дня назад

nice job for putting the example that even not betting could mean "hey im going to intentionally throw this game"

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

This is the most obvious point to me. I've seen SO MANY PEOPLE, including Pete himself, claim that somehow betting on the Reds to win makes it ok. It's such a dumb point the second you think critically about it.

@kenw2225 21 день назад

Fixing games is allowed by the league itself. Lol how dare anyone else within the game ever think of trying it too. And did you just say that youll gladly take money from gambling companies for ads?

@choosecarefully408 21 день назад

@@AndThatsBaseball Ahh, but human nature doesn't think. It react. You're saying that if we think about it, it's clear that monetary incentives change everything, right? Then why do we allow corporations to lobby politicians? See what I mean? I'm willing to bet that your stomach just clenched & the mind of anyone reading this is racing to find a way that ends with "but it's not illegal (when they do it)." But we *know* it _does affect_ their decision-making. It HAS to. If it didn't, corporations would _keep_ lobbying, right? See? It only takes a few seconds to think. But it takes less than that to react.

@dredwick 20 дней назад

@@AndThatsBaseball Ehhhh, you kinda showed your cards here. Its not a dumb point if you think critically about it. its your opinion that its wrong, but to imply that others are dumb because they don't take the ethical stance you take.... now that's dumb. A lot of the points you make are simply about ethics and integrity, and that is not black and white. You really have put a little bit of a hole in your own journalistic integrity here, because it is obvious that your personal bias against Rose fueled this whole thing.

@dredwick 20 дней назад

@@kenw2225 Exactly. So that his journalistic integrity is impacted by the people who sponsor him, because he wants to get paid for his talking points. As if that has never resulted in unethical choices by the person getting paid. Smfh

@kevingreen2400 14 дней назад

The fact that Rose took the deal, signed away his eligibility shows his guilt. He was caught and he knew it. He could have had a line of lawyers to represent him had he asked for it, he didnt because he knew he was caught. A bet he made on the Reds to win works the other way, the minute that he doesnt bet on his team is a red flag to bookies that something is up This is a well produced and well done piece

@PresidentCheney 22 дня назад

I’m a lifelong Reds fan, worshipped Rose as a player, and even I agree with this sentiment.

@danr154 22 дня назад

My parents actually used Pete Rose as a teaching example of how to ruin your reputation when I was a kid. My mom would tell the story about that catcher Ray Fossie multiple times she always felt he would have gone on to be great.

@RetroBaseball 22 дня назад

Own that pete rose-o-phile Jacob!!

@matt23lng56 21 день назад

1 the girl was 16 and legal in his state. 2 a pedophile is someone attracted to prepubescent boys and girls.

@everett-tnredsfan 22 дня назад

He may not have a plaque but he has items in the hall. Every clubhouse has the rule about not gambling. Im a 48 year old lifelong Reds fan. I saw him play and manage in person as a kid. He knew the rule when he placed the bets, end of story. Writers have taken it upon themselves not to vote known ped users into the hall. To me one has nothing to do with the other.

@Wartnot 15 дней назад

I grew up outside of Cincinnati in the 80s. Everybody who has ever had anything to do with Pete Rose, and isn't on his payroll, hates him.

@ConradMcIntosh-nr7cr 18 дней назад

I don’t think it’s reasonable to believe a word of what Rose says. Someone who continues to change their story decades after the fact will always be hiding something imo

@mactheknife7049 22 дня назад

You may get flak from some... but I won't be among them. Violations of Rule 21 are absolute, and if for no other reason he should continue to be held out as an example for others not to emulate.

@CrashPK77 20 дней назад

"Rose-tinted glasses". What you did there? I saw it.

@Vmac1394 20 дней назад

Rose would have a better argument if he played basketball, because Michael Jordan is similarly insanely competitive with a gambling problem and supposedly faced temporary banishment from the NBA.

@MLBFAN-ds7ng 14 дней назад

I think the most impressive thing about the video is the abundance of newspaper articles, interview clips, and tevision footage that is presented! I'm amazed at how much detail is provided, and can't help but wonder how you were able to obtain all of this, and compile it for your production?!?

@t206kid 20 дней назад

Pete Rose has always been about Pete Rose, his teammates like Joe Morgan didnt want him in the Hall among others. I dont have a problem if he goes in or not, but the fan boy Rose fans are just too much

@ersatz_cats 21 день назад

Completely agree. And I always have. If he had just come clean, "Here's everything I did, I screwed up," I'm sure it would be a different story. But the narcissistic games, the lies and changing stories, all show he's not worth forgiving. And MLB has a major interest in dissuading others from doing the same.

@dredwick 20 дней назад

Yeah, because as long as you admit to a wrong, it makes it okay or right? Smfh, admitting to lying doesn't change anything. So any argument that it would change something is absolutely ridiculous.

@charlesdoyle3630 20 дней назад

@@dredwickIt will show that he realizes he fucked up and wants to be accountable for. This is the only way he even would have a chance to get. In

@ersatz_cats 19 дней назад

@@dredwick I mean, it doesn't make it great, but it does provide some closure, and it's objectively better than the alternative. If there's no possibility for reconciliation or compromise, then that incentivizes people to keep up the lie until the end of time.

@dredwick 19 дней назад

@@charlesdoyle3630 Why? When did a requirement to be inducted into the hall of fame involve recognizing one's faults and admitting to the public when they are wrong? I've never seen a single athlete held to that standard.

@charlesdoyle3630 19 дней назад

@@dredwick In this case due to his repeated lying and failure to take responsibility. And no not saying he should not get in at all. But a public apology to baseball fans would go farther than just addressing the commisioner. He had a deal that would have kept him out of prison. Forgave gambling debt. And eventually let him in. He fucked that up. He was followed for over a month. He did 0 to protect his own ass.

@chrissinclair4442 16 дней назад

Pete Rose may not have bet against his team, but he let bookies know when they would probably lose and that brings up the question of if he threw games. I met him signing cards at a card show in a hallway where my mom was chatting with Rose, he was generous with his time but I thought he was a cringy creep.

@kllrbee69 16 дней назад

I completely agree. He broke the #1 rule of baseball for the last 100 years, and he could care less. I watched him growing up and always thought he was a douche. Sure he played hard, but so did/do alot of guys. Doesnt give them the right to be a jerk. The fact is that character plays a huge role in HOF induction. How well did this or that player represent the game. Thats the biggest reason why guys like Rose and Bonds arent in. Not only are they cheats, they are also total douchebags.

@tbone21158 21 день назад

Got an add for Fanduel Casino in the middle of this video. Too funny!

@markross2124 21 день назад

Something else, 1989 with Rose managing the SF Giants won the eastern Division. In 1990 when sweet Lou Pinella took over the Reds they led, in first place, for the entire season, won 91 games, won the playoffs in six games, and the world series in four. Same team!

@captaindunsel2806 19 дней назад

Cool story Bro! And what did they do in 1991? Oh, they finished in 5th place in the division? With a losing record? Same team!

@kevingreen2400 14 дней назад

@@captaindunsel2806 That 91 team was riddled with injuries and the next year won 90 games and though they finished 8 games behind the defending NL Champ Braves were just as good

@stryder7865 21 день назад

Love the BO2 music in the background lmao

@loganclayton2875 22 дня назад

i’ve never had an “opinion” per say on pete rose being in the hall of fame or not. always found it kinda annoying that he has all of these fan boys who make these wild apples to oranges comparisons, while he’s right there with him screaming the same thing he always has. great video, and great insight on why he’s not in. i’ve been enjoying your videos for close to a year now.

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

Glad you enjoyed! And yeah, I was pretty much in the same boat as you, but Rose and his contingent going on social media and talking about the Ohtani situation set me over the edge. Zero facts all feelings with that crew.

@robam2227 18 дней назад

Pete's truly a 'black rose' if ever there was one.

@Shingerrr 22 дня назад

i want to start making videos like this, how does he edit this?

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

I edit using Adobe premiere pro and after effects. If you have access to the software from school or work, I recommend it because they’ve got everything you could really need. If you don’t, there are free and cheaper options for editing software, like iMovie. Either way, the most important thing is just diving in and trying it out, because it’s the only way to learn.

@Shingerrr 22 дня назад

@@AndThatsBaseball thank u so much man. i’ve been subbed for a little bit and love your vids👍 i appreciate the help

@greglbennett 17 дней назад

I doesn't matter whether he "belongs" in the Hall of Fame or not. He is still on the permanently ineligible list which automatically disqualifies him from even being considered. Until he comes off that list, there's no point in discussing his credentials or fitness for the Hall of Fame.

@LWiedy 16 дней назад

Not quite true. HOF is not obligated by any rule to honor the ban, its just good common and decent sense.

@charlesdoyle3630 13 дней назад

@@LWiedy And until there is traction on removing him from permantly ineligible list the HOF will not even consider putting him in

@choosecarefully408 21 день назад

"Commissioner Giamatti died..." Here's a great topic for you to cover next, "If You Dare." Giamatti had announced he was going to hold a major press conference about an important issue days before he died. The timing makes me suspect he was going to blow the whistle on the steroid issue. The fact that no one ever followed up on this at the time makes this suspicious. & possibly dangerous to look into. But I wanted to put it out there.

@ichironca 20 дней назад

Unfortunate timing yes on Giamatti’s death, suspicious no. He died of a heart attack. If anything you can blame Rose for his passing. The decision to ban him for life undoubtedly caused enough strain that affected his health, leading to his demise

@johndavies5582 19 дней назад

U def changed my mind....F pete rose.......he will never go in nor should he.....maybe after he dies u put him in but his whole flawed story should be noted....dude has capitalized more not being in the hall then if he actually made it.....commericals, interviews constant attention for not being in the hall.....not getting in is a huge finnacial win for pete.....we can't let him get in at this point, he doesnt deserve it

@wyssmaster 11 дней назад

I would say let Rose appeal one last time on his deathbed, tell him no and that without him around the appeal he will never be reinstated.

@ezekielcaselton5842 22 дня назад

He was quick to try and bury Shohei smh

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

He's been harping on the Shohei situation nonstop since it happened

@davyt0247 22 дня назад

@@AndThatsBaseballbut Shohei never bet on games himself

@user-eo3gz7ve3y 22 дня назад

Shohei has immunity. He is a current superstar that brings in crazy revenue. A no name player that did this would get the banhammer

@seantimmons5900 21 день назад

@@davyt0247The conspiracy theory is that he did but MLB is covering it up.

@bigbearkat2010 21 день назад

@@seantimmons5900 if he did bet on games, then it's only a matter of time before someone outside the league catches him doing it again.

@DeadOmega 19 дней назад

Fantastic vid .. breaks it all down.

@thedarkangel1975 20 дней назад

Pete Rose was a fantastic player, but horrible human being. I agree with you that Pete may go in after he dies, but none of the Black Sox did. Pete doesn't belong in because his story has changed so many times over the years I don't believe a word he says. Even if he were to come out and apologizw I would not believe him.

@charlesdoyle3630 20 дней назад

Permanently ineligible.

@TheSecondSports 20 дней назад

Very well said

@pablosonic892 17 дней назад

The odds are against him. And the over/under.

@shhygotpicks 22 дня назад

Earned my subscription

@boxcarhobo7017 20 дней назад

We as a society have to separate artist from their art or we will have no art. Majority of the greatest artist in history whether illustrators, athletes, musicians, filmmakers, writers; have done horrendous things against their fellow man OUTSIDE their time creating the times art they birthed into existence. You cancel the art because of the artist, you cancel the majority of all art already in existence and the art yet to come. If the artist hasn't been canceled, statistically speaking, that just means their cancellation is waiting on their inevitable future crimes against humanity and fall from grace. Reminds me of that old Star Trek episode 'The Enemy Within' where a transporter mishap separates Captain Kirk into two halves: his good, kind decent side and the dark, impulsive depraved side. Immediately, his empathetic pacifist good natured persona is a weak ineffectual leader without the other more aggressive, passionate, dark impulses of man side. And the dark side goes running amok the ship paranoid, raging, several murder and rape attempts on his crew and just complete sociopathic savage on the rampage. Spock assesses that it is Kirk's unsavory side, the aspects of his personality that he finds ghastly and repulsive the very qualities that make him such a great, successful leader of men and Federal starship. That same metric can be applied to artists across all mediums and time. Cancel the artist, but not the art. Doesn't stop the music, movies, books or highlight reels from still being awe inspiring or sources of entertainment. Pete Rose the player should be in the Hall Of Fame as a player. He's not being inducted as a manager or for Pete The Degenerate Gambler. No. The player. To deny the reality he wasn't a game changer force of nature in his day is censorship and a collective lie asked of us all that I and nobody should sign off on Barry Bonds same thing. He was a Hall Of Famer before the steroid era. Everyone Practically was in steroids and competed at the same level. The steroid era saved baseballs ass. After that disastrous strike lost '94 season, baseball lost bitter fans for two and half years till the McQuire-Sosa home run race brought everyone back. It was exciting and they still had to make it actually happen.

@godblesstrolls 22 дня назад

the original P Diddy

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

Pete Diddy

@SconnerStudios 22 дня назад

Only reason you can legit argue for his ban. No other reason, but at least the 12 year old diddling is a legitimate argument.

@doodchappin 22 дня назад

@@SconnerStudiosyea id say that's good enough. Didn't know Pete Rose was an LGBTLMNOP+

@matt23lng56 21 день назад

News flash the HOF is supposed to be based solely on how a player played in their career. There are literally racists from the early 1900s in the HOF so trying to disclaim him by bringing his personal life and personality traits is ridiculous and stupid. And also it's been 35 fricken years who cares if he bet on baseball and was a shitty person off the field. Give Rose his flowers and acknowledge one of the greatest players to play the game with the rest of them.

@kenw2225 21 день назад

Wouldnt be hard to write he bet on the game and was held out of hall for decades due to it, on his plaque. Its just virtue signaling at this point by anyone who wants to keep him out.

@TeamHolleyLineDancing 21 день назад

Yes, and during his playing career he bet on the game he was participated in.

@colinkohlhaas6612 21 день назад

I like this channel, but I feel like this video is mostly strawman arguments. When I hear people argue that Rose should be in the HOF, they're usually not defending him for betting, they're saying that alone is a dumb reason to keep him out when it should be based on playing career. I totally agree. Ban him from ever being involved with the game again, he fully deserves that. But keeping him out of the HOF is stupid when he was such a great player. And yes, talking about his personal life is stupid when, as another person said, freaking Cap Anson is in the HOF, OJ is in the football HOF, etc etc etc. Off-the-field issues should have no bearing on HOF candidacy.

@choosecarefully408 21 день назад

There are still racist policies sending Blacks to illegal for-profit prisons for charges that are perfectly legal for Whites. This entire culture is built on hypocrisy. PC language & culture is supposed to make Everyone Equal, right? But the term "African-American" is applied only to Blacks. Blacks born in the U.S.A. How is it possibly not racist to create a term for just one "race" (that term itself is also an invention ironically). Whites are simply "American." Not POC. So the very language that proclaims to make people equal labels them unequally.

@jemmemccann2952 20 дней назад

Thank you! I’m always baffled by OFF THE FIELD stuff dictating HOF voters. There are some truly terrible people in sports HOF’s…not just baseball.

@christianpoint0888 19 дней назад

You’ve made some very good points ! Well done !

@LWiedy 16 дней назад

I agree with most all the points made here, exception being the Fosse play. There are more reasons PER should not reinstated. History has NOT exonerated Rose. With all that's changed in the gambling landscape since 1989, Rose betting on baseball is still 100% outlawed by MLB. His use of illegal bookmakers is also STILL outlawed. Even if you don't agree there is an integrity issue to induction into the HOF, there is a practical one. At this point, the only thing that could be done is to hold a separate vote and, if elected, place a plaque with the others. There couldn't possibly be a standard induction ceremony, any other inductees would have their moment turned into a circus, not fair to them and not to mention PER only real interest in HOF is the $$ that come from membership. Lastly, why do folks care so much about a deplorable person? There are some injustices that just aren't worth the trouble because the subject has acted in such a deplorable manner. Let's find someone worth fighting for. If you believe in redemption, how can we ever know he's worthy of redemption having like so many times for decades?

@princejellyfish3945 21 день назад

Anybody else get a Manson vibe from older Pete?

@chiveskirk 22 дня назад

15 more minutes until people can say they watched the whole video.

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

Expecting a dozen angry comments by then!

@Fnargl99 22 дня назад

I don't see the report in the description

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

Oh, my bad. Will add it now.

@StanStacks 21 день назад

Is this the same guy that does Baseball Doesn’t Exist? Or do they just have similar voices?

@AndThatsBaseball 21 день назад

Not the same lol, our speech patterns are kinda similar tho I guess

@StanStacks 21 день назад

@@AndThatsBaseball I actually love the speech pattern. Plus, you both are creating great material! Thanks!

@tomatoes100 22 дня назад

Thank you, now i have something to link to people when they argue for him

@wking6159 19 дней назад

Great video and well laid out points. Keep Rose out of the hall while he's alive.

@theravagedgrapefruit8190 21 день назад

“I just want that money” 🤦🏼‍♂️ Some people lack any integrity at all!

@AndThatsBaseball 21 день назад

What does that have to do with my integrity 😂😂 I have no moral reservations about advertising sports betting. I do have reservations about athletes and managers betting on the game!

@bjet1371 21 день назад

@@AndThatsBaseballconvincing people to gamble is bad actually.

@zachmoney716 22 дня назад

I won’t lie I’m on the side of “if he didn’t bet on his team then that lightens it a little” but you do make a very compelling argument in this video, nice job

@tjhookit 19 дней назад

When he admitted to gambling on baseball he was asked if he ever bet against his team. Pretty sure any body language expert would conclude that he was lying out his ass when he said no.

@graemekrone6436 19 дней назад

Wow, this video really opened my eyes! I guess I gave him too much of the doubt!

@gakster29 21 день назад

Point 1 is one of the maddening things I have ever seen, made by ESTABLISHED legacy media folks. As a philosopher and a teacher of critical thinking, it makes me really depressed, tbh. It's "inconsistency by vibes" WHICH IS NOT AN EFFING THING. Not only does the permissibility of fans gambling not transfer, but it's even more rational for a sports league, with a vested interest in sports books, to combat match fixing. Casual bettors will not bet on your sport if they believe it's fixed. Casinos don't let their table game dealers bet on any table games for this reason.

@AndThatsBaseball 21 день назад

Exactly, and I’ve been seeing it literally everywhere. There were definitely dozens of unknown cases of players throwing games for illegal bookies before we had regulated gambling. It’s not gonna increase now with all the eyes on them.

@papito5ft6 20 дней назад

This was a GREAT video!!

@coachcruel5455 12 дней назад

Brother, you were convincingly right up to when you said we should believe the federal government is trustworthy. "...even the federal government!" Yah, no.

@brentw0681 18 дней назад

The b02 music in the background ❤❤. Best cod game ever. Good times

@gurgalaburgala907 6 дней назад

I still think Rose should be reinstated, your points have not done enough to dissuade me. If the league doesn’t believe in the “Integrity” of the game of baseball enough to not make billions off of betting and tramp stamp gambling sports books logos all over, then why should they care about letting a gambling addict be associated with the league. Also, a lot of your situations that you cover go into hypotheticals. “I’m sure he bet against his team at some point” or “He would have bet against the Reds if he was in deep enough”, except it doesn’t matter, as they’re both hypotheticals. If after 35 years, they can’t find any evidence that he bet against his own team, then that shouldn’t even be a talking point. Also, the MLB could have gotten Pete some help with his addiction, if they cared so much. I know they don’t necessarily owe it to him, but if the MLB and other major sports leagues want to keep gambling addicts from ruining the sport, then a good idea would be to get them professional help, since these people are addicts. Overall, regardless of what you think of Pete as a person, there’s no question someone who was that good of a player deserves to grace the Baseball Hall of Fame.

@victorfranko8317 19 дней назад

He says “federal government “ like they never lie to us.

@timengers 22 дня назад

Love the clip of the Orioles homer hose

@sobrienaasc6274 21 день назад

this is a lot more convenient than a twitlonger. good video as always

@MadMike1 21 день назад

The only thing I disagree with is the associations with gambling companies not being hypocritical. It IS hypocritical. You can't be telling your own employees that gambling is wrong and then getting into bed with DraftKings and Pro-Line and whatever other company pays you enough. It's like a parent telling his kids that drugs are bad and yet that parent allows Pablo Escobar to do coke deals in their garage.

@AndThatsBaseball 21 день назад

Casinos don’t let their dealers gamble. Is that hypocrisy? It’s not about gambling being right or wrong, athletes are allowed to bet on other sports legally. It’s about the integrity of the game being upheld. And fans gambling doesn’t affect the game, but team employees and especially players gambling does.

@MC_Tickle 15 дней назад

ATB to Rose is like Kendrick to Drake 😂😂

@AndThatsBaseball 14 дней назад

Say, Pete, I hear u like em young

@bigbearkat2010 21 день назад

Back in the day, I had been on his side. When he published that book though, that's when I lost all respect for him. Then that interview he did where he finally admitted it on camera really pissed me off. I'll always remember him saying his mistake was not coming clean earlier. Not that he gambled, not that he bet on his own games, not that his actions put a black eye on the Reds and the MLB for years but that he was dumb enough to deny for so long.

@lbrad2001 22 дня назад

Pete Rose lied about his gambling for years and is unquestionably guilty. Those that compare this to Ohtani who hasn't even been accused and who Rose has tried to strawman to justify his inclusion in the Hall of Fame is a ridiculous argument. Rose "claims" to have not bet against his own team. I highly doubt this to say the least. Not to mention those of us that have placed a wager or two know that there is more to gambling than betting winners and losers there is also the spread. He could have affected the team and the spread by not pitching his best pitchers or benching his best bats when he needed to. I agree Pete Rose deserves to be left out.

@redfanrod 2 дня назад

Thanks for the video. Pete Rose admits now (and it took awhile) that he bet on baseball, that he made a huge mistake by betting on baseball and has apologized to the baseball establishment for his wrong doing. Having said that, he is a stubborn man and it took way too long for him to admit his misdeeds. However, he played the game like his life depended on it and he is not a scumbag like Barry Bonds, who used an illegal substance(s) to destroy baseball's record book. Bonds and Lance Armstrong are the worst examples of human kind in sports. Whether Pete belongs in the Hall, they should create a wing for cheaters, with Rose and Bonds headlining the first induction ceremony. This sounds weird but "just be honest about the cheating" and put them both in the Hall. ⚾

@mofny 17 дней назад

Keep Pete Rose out. This is a rare case where subjectivity overpowers objectivity.

@deegeeriv 21 день назад

“Rose-tinted glasses” was 👌🤌

@AndThatsBaseball 21 день назад

I was rubbing my hands together when I thought of that one

@chrisolivo6591 19 дней назад

I have always said Rose should have been banned from Baseball as a Manager but should have gotten a chance to be on the ballot for the Hall of Fame. They changed the rule the year before he was eligible. Even Joe Jackson was on the ballot in 1936.

@BlueWingedRino 19 дней назад

This. I have no problem with him being banned from MLB but he should absolutely be in Cooperstown.

@grug6682 19 дней назад

I heard that black ops two music

@restock_1731 День назад

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Great video.

@rinehardt6837 22 дня назад

Yeah you're going to get some hate but you are not wrong. I think Rose should be in the Hall of Fame just like Bonds McGuire and Clements because I'm only looking at their achievements on the baseball field no matter what steroid rumors or gambling just looking at the numbers. But Pete gets no sympathy Pete lied for years and years saying he never did it and you're right off him what he wanted all he had to do was it admit he gambled he wouldn't do it. If Shohei Ohtani bet on baseball and his interpreter took the fall is speculation and of course people are gonna say they covered it up because that's what they wanted to be to justify their opinion. so as I said do I feel peach should be in the Hall of Fame absolutely do I feel sorry for him no.

@naomisuzuki7001 22 дня назад

well researched! well articulated! i’m so glad this video exists!!!! great job!!!!

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

Glad you enjoyed!

@HankTheFootballDude 22 дня назад

Havent watched yet but video title is correct

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

Expecting a lot of comments today to begin with "haven't watched yet but"

@T.I.M.Thirteen 21 день назад

1) The Federal Government investigated the Ohtani situation. Everyone knows the government never lies. Ever… 2) You can’t say for sure if he never bet against his team. You can’t say for sure all of the hypotheticals you threw out about Pete making managerial moves based on bets or shady bookies threatening him and having leverage over him. You definitely didn’t refute the talking points. Normally dig your videos, but this one was a miss. Also, if you want to deny him based on any off-field actions, you’re going to have to go down a long, long list of players and erase them from the Hall of Fame, too.

@AndThatsBaseball 21 день назад

1) FBI and DOJ lifers are gonna risk their careers to protect Shohei Ohtani? 2) do you think it’s ok that he bet on games he played and managed? Because the whole point of that segment is explaining possible outcomes where Rose’s decision making is breached, even if he’s only betting on his team to win.

@jacobpatterson9143 19 дней назад

@@AndThatsBaseball to ur first point OF COURSE THEY WOULD WHAT U TALKIN AB LOL 😂 I still think Rose is guilty but to say u think nobody would cover Ohtanis ass is nieve imo tbh but it’s not like I’m wanting to be a Rose advocate 🤣

@AndThatsBaseball 19 дней назад

@@jacobpatterson9143 Someone who worked their whole career to climb the ladder in the FBI or DOJ is going to risk throwing it all away to cover for Ohtani? If it were to come out that the FBI protected him everyone close to the case is instantly toxic

@basedshrek9014 17 дней назад

You really don’t believe that the same FBI that was run by James Comey isn’t toxic to the core? LMFAO 😂😂😂😂😂 Retard.

@charlesdoyle3630 17 дней назад

@@AndThatsBaseball Not that I agree with take that the DOJ and the FBI lied about him. But there is a case right now where FBI multiple times ignored a federal court judges rulings and orders. Plenty examples also of DOJ being less than honest. Not that I necessarily just buy that he did gamble. Or did gamble. Trying as best as can to go into with open mind.

@zach7193 22 дня назад

Seen some of the content on the channel lately most notably Curt Schilling. It's great. This, is good.

@Vincentovich89 22 дня назад

The all time hits leader does deserve to be in the hall. And Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter of all time (.600 on base percentage for a season......)

@J.C... 21 день назад

Barry Bonds is a cheater. He ain't the best anything except the best cheater.

@Vincentovich89 21 день назад

His stats both pre and post steroids say he is the best. Btw, he is the home run king. Get over the steroid era. Part of that time period.

@charlesdoyle3630 13 дней назад

@@Vincentovich89 Bonds was good before the steroids but not the best. The only reason he has more walks is because he was a threat at the plate. Rickey Henderson was a bigger threat in my eye because he leads MLB in lead off homeruns. His ability to basically steal a base whenever he wanted it. Personally I would want at least 5 players with tenacity and drive of Henderson over Bonds any day.

@sportspokerguy3506 21 день назад

I have to disagree with your points about not betting against his own team: I understand that any wager for your team can alter decision-making but if you’re trying to win the game the overall integrity of the game stands true - you play to win the game if you didn’t bet on the game so if you bet in favor of your team it doesn’t make a difference you’re still trying to win. The nasty scandals are the ones where players throw games and play poorly on purpose like the black Sox and that NBA player from the raptors. That is what undermines the integrity of the game is losing on purpose - betting to win is allowed in boxing and golf for the athletes, and I understand those are individual sports but betting to win doesn’t undermine the integrity of the game. If you ever find evidence of Rose betting on his team to lose I would say keep him out of the hall, but until then my opinion is he should be allowed in since he never undermined the integrity of the game even if he is a greasy a-hole of a person he has the most hits of anyone to ever play the game.

@averageyoutubeenjoyer6886 22 дня назад

Wasn't expecting to hear the Black Ops 2 main menu music, but here we are 🔥

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

Watching the video back, that music really adds to the gravity. Love the intensity and nostalgia

@7294smk 16 дней назад

He was a great player. He should be in the Hall of Fame. Just because he is an asshole there is a long line of them in the MLB.

@sporer_ 19 дней назад

Pete is obsessed with Adobe... big PDF file fan

@beck1710 22 дня назад

4,256 hits. Maybe you’re right about doing it when he’s gone. But cmon. 4,256 hits

@kanyecheedar9170 18 дней назад

OJ is in the football HOF…

@fuzzybutterballggg3788 20 дней назад

Good video. I completely disagree with it, but you made good arguments.

@sportsfanatic1360 21 день назад

I think Pete should be in but i might be biased as a reds fan. The only part that i didn't like about this video was the betting on his team would affect pitching decisions. If he bet on his team to win he is doing things to win like he would have before betting. It isn't like he normally wouldn't play his best players and try and win every game

@bigbearkat2010 21 день назад

But he has weeks and months worth of other games afterward to consider. If he's got money on that specific game, he's actively incentivized to go with short term strategies that can hurt his team down the road.

@unchainedsora3406 21 день назад

The issue is that he may try less hard to win games he isn't betting on. Here's a different example than the one in the video. It's game 1 of a series, and Rose placed a bet that the Reds would win game 2. In the bottom of the 9th, the Reds are winning 1-0, with the heart of the order coming up for the other team. Despite the closer being fully rested, Rose decides not to use him just in case he needs him in tonorrow's game to win his bet. He is not necessarily throwing game 1, but he's not managing in the same way, which could change the outcome.

@dredwick 20 дней назад

@@bigbearkat2010 He can still do the exact same thing without having money on the game. Don't you get that? Are you implying that its only wrong to make that decision if you have money on the game?? That any manger who makes that decision is a bad person, or only if they have a bet on the game?

@dredwick 20 дней назад

@@unchainedsora3406 You are also implying that Pete is able to control the success of his players. That is nonsense. Oh, bottom of the 9th and he needs to lose, so he puts in a player that he KNOWS will lose? Lol, what happens if that player doesn't lose?? Nonsense.

@bigbearkat2010 19 дней назад

@@dredwick I'm saying the fact that he has money on the game will effect his decision making even if he can't be bothered to admit it. Also, this very video has already shown I've got plenty of other reasons to think he's an asshole.

@codyhooks7410 22 дня назад

For a long time I thought Rose should be in without question. Obviously stat wise and how he played the game is deserving. However after learning (before this video) about the fact he could have been reinstated and declined and after watching how narcissistic he is and what little remorse he’s continued to have, no one is to blame but Rose himself.

@JoeBloww762 21 день назад

The Hall of Fame, at least for me, Is still incomplete without Pete Rose, Berry Bonds, and Alex Rodriguez. Great stories have great villains.

@kenw2225 21 день назад

The league doesnt care about integrity. They promoted and turned a blind eye to the roid use. They let the astros keep their world series too lol. How could rose actions in any way be considered any worse than a organizational wide scheme to subvert the integrity of the game , by cheating and influencing outcomes? I didn't see all the astros players involved get banned for life. In fact, many got a another world series win a few years later. Rose calls out their hypocracy and they are bitter little children about it.

@J.C... 21 день назад

😂😂😂😂 Barry and Arod will NEVER get there so ya might wanna start accepting it.

@Governmentname 18 дней назад

If Pete Rose is banned from the HOF then the entire 2017 astros should be ineligible. “ nothing is more important than the integrity of the game”.

@user-xl1zq8sk7v 22 дня назад

Regardless of someone's stance on Charlie Hustle and the HoF; if he is out for gambling, then anyone proven to be on PEDs should be banned for sure. If those deemed to be cheaters are inducted, the HoF rendered meaningless.

@J.C... 21 день назад

Meaningless my azz. It makes their inductions meaningless. Not the entire hall. 🤦

@brianmanuel4435 20 дней назад

Bot name, and they definitely didn’t watch hahahaha

@user-xl1zq8sk7v 20 дней назад

Oh I watched. I made no claim on the creators stance, just in general. You all can rail and seethe all u want, you can't let cheaters in and keep others out and it not make the hall irrelevant, period.

@LWiedy 16 дней назад

There are specific rules for each offense. One involves lifetime banishment. The other can include that but with many conditions attached. If you have a problem with the rules, get them changed but right now it's more unclear whether PED users can be barred that Rule 21 violators. The may be unfair but it's reality.

@sevendeadlysquids404 21 день назад

I've always been mixed on whether Rose belongs in or not. I have an autographed photo of him hanging on my wall. He was easily one of the best players of all time. I've seen footage of him. He was fun to watch. But he was a bastard. He broke rules. He bet on games. He wasn't apologetic about it. He was a poor sportsman. I don't think I'd be upset either way. I think he's gotten what he's deserved - both in a negative and positive way. He has been inducted into the Reds HOF. People still talk about it, people still respect him. Not getting in did not ruin his life or ruin his career. People still now he was a skilled ball player. The HOF should be able to do what it wants at the end of the day, and if they think the negative impact he had as a sportsman and a gambler outweighs his accomplishments at the plate, I think that's fair - he was not a good guy and it's not like he "accidentally" gambled or anything. He made bad decisions he has to live with it. The only way I'll have a strong opinion about this is if the stuff covered towards the end of the video (around 18:30) turn out to be the worst case scenario. In that case? Yeah, keep him WELL away from the HOF.

@bigbearkat2010 21 день назад

@michaelfriedl 19 дней назад

I like your channel and your analysis, but I disagree on Pete and the HOF. Sure Pete is and was a jerk. So are lots of guys in the HOF. I also don't care if he is ever reinstated by MLB to manage or work in any capacity. But the HOF adopting their rule to exclude him was a bait-and-switch. He never would have agreed to the ban had that rule been in place. Indeed, I doubt whether Bart Giamatti would have gone along with that had he lived. Further, Pete was never going to be a HOF manager, just like Tommy Lasorda was not a HOF player. Pete was banned when managing. Banning a player from the HOF for the actions of a manager is wrong, even if that manager is the same person. Shoeless Joe was never banned from the HOF despite his banishment for his involvement in the Black Sox scandal. He simply didn't receive the necessary support from the voters. MLB is doing this not out of principle but out of spite. Pete is an unrepentant jerk who will shill anything for cash. But he was also a transcendent player that deserves to be enshrined. Or at least have a chance on the ballot.

@shawnstewart4920 17 дней назад

Your taking content out of CONTEXT!

@zuldagamer1875 22 дня назад

I think he should be in the hall of fame for being one of the best baseball players to ever play the game. Also my issue with how mlb handled the ohtani situation is that they didn’t place him on administrative leave when they investigated him like they did with Bauer. Also of course MLB is going to pull some strings to protect their favorite player.

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

MLB only places players on administrative leave for domestic violence and child abuse investigations

@tgorefan 22 дня назад

Why would they put him on administrative leave? Beating a woman is a lot worse than your best friend stealing a bunch of money from gambling debts

@RayzeCruxis 22 дня назад

Also Shohei 100% cooperated with the investigations unlike Bauer who already had bad blood with the commission due to his own actions.

@SconnerStudios 22 дня назад

After watching the whole video, I have a *BIG* problem with something you said at the end. The Ray Fosse fiasco shouldn't be even seen as a bad thing for Rose. You must REALLY have a problem with dirty sliders like A-Rod, Chase Utley, and Manny Machado, then, because at least Pete Rose didn't discriminate based on the likelihood he was out. Pete should be viewed as the same way we view Ty Cobb. Actually, he should be viewed as more positively than Cobb, because Ty Cobb probably DID throw at least a couple of games. But both are legends because they played incredibly hard. As a human being, he is disgusting and might be one of the worst outside the racists who kept the color barrier going and Ugyth Urbina. I doubt Pete has even ever thought he was a good human being. But if we're going to honor Cap Anson and Kennesaw Landis, we sure as hell should give Pete a plaque because as a player, he was a first ballot quality guy.

@AndThatsBaseball 22 дня назад

I don't have a problem with the Ray Fosse play so much as I have a problem with him throwing a tantrum about the Garber AB. He's held up as this incredible competitor who will stop at nothing to win, even in the all-star game. Then why is he crying to reporters that Garber tried too hard to get him out? That's hypocritical to me. If he was consistent, I wouldn't have ever brought the Fosse play up.

@SconnerStudios 21 день назад

@@AndThatsBaseball Fair enough. And the Gene Garber AB might have been predicated by some drama or chest beating nobody reported about. I overall understand why you wanted to make a different argument in this video, and I commend you for not capitulating to your audience (which is rare for youtubers), but I disagree with both your premise and conclusion, but if I found out he did throw games, I'd be all for everything you said and more, but I simply don't believe that to be even slightly likely that he ever threw a game.

@TeamHolleyLineDancing 21 день назад

@@SconnerStudios Pete Rose did throw games. He bet on the Reds every day, but sometimes when he overused his pitchers the night before, to win a game he had a lot of money on, he's mysteriously refused to bet on the Reds again the following day? Why, because he was intentionally throwing that game and making sure not to lose money on it.

@choosecarefully408 21 день назад

@@SconnerStudios I'd look more in-depth on those Cobb accusations. He was unliked by his teammates & the press. One thing he was accused of doing was calling a heckler in the stands an n-word, then jumping them, but Cobb was against the 'Gentleman's Agreement' that kept Blacks out of the majors & took his son only to Negro League games after he retired. He didn't want his son to miss seeing some of the best players. I also have reason to believe his integrity wouldn't allow him to do that, but I'm not going to pretend that I have facts that make it a certainty. I'm a terrible researcher who stumbles into good info by accident.

@seanmccarthy7934 21 день назад

The whole Ray Fosse collision is so overused and not even a good example. You keep calling the game an “exhibition”, it was the all star game, and yes, it meant something back then. If it was so meaningless Fosse wouldn’t have been blocking the plate. In fact Fosse was an all star the next year and won back to back World Series in 73 and 74. So I’m not shedding any tears for the guy where two people were doing what they had to do. That’s the way it was played back then, by everyone.