How The U.S. Failed To Meet the China Challenge 

China didn't challenge anyone. The US sees everyone doing better than it as a threat or challenge.

Why not pivot to U.S and mind your own bussiness

Anywhere in the world, if there is a border dispute, it is usually the result of a line drawn by an Englishman; if it is an internal dispute, it is usually the US fueling it. Difference in implementation of divide and conquer strategy.

What do you exactly mean when you say make china a more responsible country ? Are you saying responsible means subservient to the US and the West. Keep to the status quo of the US and the West at the top of the pyramid?

*"Western order" are they trying to preserve their colonial mentalitis*

Dear US citizens, get those grandparents out of your politics now or your children will be living in a third world pariah country forever.

Asia do not like war and do not appreciate bullying. Am has done enough destruction in Asia. Do not think Asia is weak and scared. Stop your nonsense.

Imperialists are scared their Colonial Empire is about to collapse and shatter before their eyes.. 🤣🤣🤣

300year old want to challenge a 5000year old ??? .

War monger's talk!

A bigger defense budget! America's defense budget is drifting closer to being the equivalent of the world combined. These experts are insane.

Its said that Chinese diplomats and businessmen go abroad to sign business deal, whereas their american counterparts go abroad to dissuade foreign signing those deals.

General US population needs factual education on global affairs and ethnics. Think win-win and not zero-sum games.

80yr the US mantra has been "free trade" now it's tarrifs and sanctions...what happened ?

Why US has to 'challenge' a civilization 4x its population and ruled by engineers based on meritocracy?

amazing war mongers

Very sad ,the way some Americans think. The hubris is pathetic and unfortunate.

Still thinking this is the 1980s.That era is over.

USA fought n incurred huge losses fighting the Vietnamese, Iraqis n Talibans. Now USA wants to fight two superpowers ( Russia n China) at the same time? Fighting both countries in their own backyards. Good luck USA. U need it.

Why can't imperialists like the US and Japan ever think WIN WIN co-operation with China that embraces over 140 countries through BRI? The zero-sum mindset of the imperialists is so annoying.

China will never take Taiwan by force , China has patience and can wait

The US needs leaders who can play chess and think ahead more than 2 moves if diplomacy is their strategy. US leadership is completely dominated by football players.

U.S. tried to defeat USSR, they needed China for that. U.S. wanted to destroy the euros. They also needed China. During the 2008 U.S. financial crisis, they desperately needed China to bail them out. This time is different. China won’t be there for the U.S. it has become a toxic environment. China will now show what decoupling means and the consequences for the U.S. will be devastating and unimaginable

The only thing the US.have spent time on is proving to the world that they are big guy that can kick anyones ass. Lost it.

I don't have much confidence in humanity as a species. We all know that if we all unite and focus on making people's life better rather than I have to win, the world would be a much better place for everyone. After evolution for millions of years, we are still thinking like gorillas.

THESE WARMONGERS WILL PAY A BRUTAL PRICE AT SOME POINT.

when something is going wrong in the US strategy, the US strategy is always doubling down first, haha 😂

pivot to USA not Asia

Nothing else just about US hegemony but it’s done because countries don’t like to be told what to do

There is no strategy from white house or the various think tank. 1 word: PATHETIC

Following the September 11, 2001 attack, the U.S. shifted attention from China to the Middle East, easing China's entry into the World Trade Organization (WTO) in December 2001. As China emerged as the "world's factory," producing inexpensive goods that lowered global inflation, central banks, including the U.S. Federal Reserve, maintained low-interest rates, fostering excessive leveraging in the U.S. and Europe. This, coupled with risky financial practices and the housing market's collapse, led to the 2008 Global Financial Crisis. Despite feeling unsettled by China's economic growth, the United States actively pursued financial support from China, for China to continue purchasing U.S. Treasury bills. In 2011, Obama proposed the "Pivot to Asia" strategy, which shifted the focus of US foreign policy from the Middle East to Asia. This, along with the wargaming of a sea blockade of Chinese commercial ships on a global scale, the formation of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which deliberately excluded China, the establishment of a 2500-strong US marine air-ground task force in Darwin, and an increase in the rotation of both US Air Force planes and US Navy vessels through Australian bases, alarmed the Chinese leadership. Unable to remain passive, hide their strength, and bide their time, Xi Jinping was selected as the leader of China in 2013 to make China more secure. These included the establishment of the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, the Belt and Road initiative, and the building of artificial islands in the South China Sea. In 2015 the "Made in China 2025" initiative was announced. These policies directly responded to the perceived threat posed by the "Pivot to Asia" strategy. No country is excluded from joining the AIIB or the Belt and Road Initiative. Obama's intentions were clarified when he responded to Xi Jinping's proposal on September 25, 2015, to make the South China Sea (SCS) a non-militarized zone by initiating freedom of navigation operations in the SCS on October 27, 2015.

the biggest threat is in the way of thinking

When you listen to what the two are talking about one wonder's what is America missing on what is happening in the world. All empires have a time span and Americans no exclusion and this is the end and unfortunately for them their's nothing to show for their power period

Don't worry ! Please talk to Gordon Chang as well . He can explain to you how China will collapse .

U.S. should look after the homeless in the country, provide education and health, instead invest in weapons and wars.

You have all these grand gurus of economy and politics and yet they cannot tell you that the problem in the US is primarily the military complex and Israel. You go everywhere around the world trying to teach them to be democratic and at the same time you are not. All that money that you sent to Ukraine and Israel could have been used for infrastructure inside the US and for assisting other countries to be your allies. Then there wouldn’t be a problem if you invested in YOUR ECONOMY instead of starting wars in Ukraine (yes you started it) and everywhere around the world

Failure to invest in American innovation and invest in the country - Education and re industrialization to meet the innovation challenges head on... Instead of acting like Wallstreet is an industry instead of the casino it has become....

As we recalled, when Yugoslavia was gaining, progressing well technologically, they were tragically destroyed by western infiltration. The world should Never forget this as one of the earliest disruptive stance of US/Nato move.

Diplomacy is about talking and coming to a compromise to avoid conflict. Not forcing a compromise from your rival through conflict. And the compromise in East Asia is obvious, stop supporting Taiwan in exchange for peace in Japan and South Korea.

America made first successful povot in the 1980's to manage japan because is still an occupied country and it is a tiny island without resoures and dependent on the markets of america and the eu china is not like japan china is an independent sovereign state large market and resoures etc china cannnot be managed or conttrolled by anyone since america discovered that it cannot manage china it has raised nuisance and trivail issues like taiwan xingiang etc to obstruct china 's progress but they will not succeed because china has relations and trading with the global south and the rest of the world.china is the 2nd largest econ and progressing on course to be the largest economy in the world facts and truths in front of your eyes

Focus on America, no more wars

Why should we be threatened by a prosperous China?

This is horrible talking graphics, very distracting.

USA: No one is allowed to be better than me！

It is barbaric to go fighting because you are unable to compete on an even ground.

because 200 years of history is too short compared to china

Free expression? What so free about the brutal way of treating US campus protestors ?

I think the strategy presented has a fundamental problem. He says the US must position itself as a counterweight to China in East Asia with the help of other states. The US would therefore offer itself as a protective power in this region of the world and its new allies would help because no one has an interest in China becoming too powerful. I agree with him that this is in the interest of the states in East Asia. But why should the US take on these risks and costs just to take on the role of a stabilizer without dominating the region economically and politically? If his strategy is followed, China will still remain the largest trading partner of these states in East Asia because the US economy does not have the capacity to take on China's role. I have not yet heard a convincing explanation from him as to what the US will get out of it.

U.S. IS COLLAPSING FAST ECONOMICALLY & WITH HIGH NATIONAL OF 35 TRILLION STILL COUNTING THAT CANNOT BE REPAYED BACK.

If only interested to sell offensive weapon then better the American regime stays in Europe.. please stay home, don't create havoc..

Same thing happening in 2024 to the US as what happened to England in 1939. Maybe the US should just prepare the Australians to move to Antarctica.😅

Remember Obama pivot to Asia Pacific in 2011 happened 3 years before Xi Jingping came to power. Xi Jinping responded by militarizing the disputed islands. The issue is not sovereignty, it's China national security facing Pivot to Asia Pacific and 350 US military bases in Japan, Korea, Philippines and Australia. Remember US tested nuclear radiation on Pacific islanders in 1950s because of national security concern facing a possible nuclear war against USSR. China too has national security concerns today. A few Pinoy fishermen don't worth more than Pacific islanders. Right

Why should the US pivot to Asia? It must stop this most unwelcome practice. The US should become aware that wherever it gets involved, it destabilizes and endangers the regions. The US should instead take care of its domestic issues which are many that need urgently to be improved.

China develops for better lives not for competition. Western countries should focus on solving internal problems.

Sickening Blabla!

This graphic with the voice signal is way too annoing.Get rid of it

If there are two options: 1. The US fights a war and spends huge amount of money to keep hegemony, but that means people's living standard drops. 2. Focus on economics and trade, the US might lose hegemony but people have a better life. I would choose option 2.

The lost decade? NO, we are winning enomously.

Politics determines how wealth is distributed within a country, while wars and diplomacy determine how wealth is distributed between countries. These are not good outcomes for US citizens of US Government policies: Economic inequality, inflation, stagnant real wages for the last fifty years, costly healthcare, an expensive education system, student loan debt totaling $1.7 trillion with an average balance of $38,000, poor public transportation systems, racial inequality, mass incarceration, the militarization of police, deteriorating infrastructure, housing affordability, homelessness, the opioid epidemic, and gun violence. Instead of prioritizing the welfare of its people, the US meddles in other countries to spread its version of democracy. The question is whether the USA can continue to survive with its version of democracy, not whether it can have any leadership role in the global order.

These gentlemen may all be over analyzing it and missing the simple point. Our foreign policies are driven by the interests of our capitalism, and short term democratic system-not by the long-term strategic interest of our country. The Chinese took the best parts of our system, and tweaked out the weak parts. That is the main point of China’s rise and our inability to counter.

The American Demographics is changing drastically...in the 1940s the US population is 85% European heritage today it is 50 plus % and by the 2030s it will comprise only 40 plus % .. America has today amass $35 trillion in debt and nothing much additional to show for Healthcare, Infrastructure and Education for the majority of Americans..( which by the 2030s are the African American,Latinos and Asians) In the 2030s with Debt at over $50 trillion ( if it keeps growing by Trillions a year) the majority of politicians reflecting the The new Majority will need to PIVOT back to US with the limited resources..for investment in American population...not the military industrial complex and the 800 plus foreign bases and 11 Aircraft Carriers.. It is a macro long term Trend that cannot be reverse without very drastic actions. The same is so obvious in "Great" Britain ,a Indian heritage PM a Muslim heritage London Mayor ..20 years ago you will never see hugh street Protest on behalf of Palestine in UK or US over the Gaza...imagine 20 years from now..where the new majority public opinion will sit..... Jobs..Healthcare..Infrastructure..Education for Americans..because with US dollar Dorminance and reserve currency status gone ( replace by digital Gold) ..printing US$ is no longer an option to finance its $50 Trillion principal and intrest repayments.

Taiwan appears to be the U.S. proxy against China the same way that Ukraine became one against Russia. Crimea was never Ukraine's exclusive property. Crimea was put under Ukrainean rule as part of a 1954 Russian Ukraine treaty agreement to form a Social, Cultural, Political, Economic, and Military Union between the two countries. Ukraine's desire to join a military union with Europe resulted in the annexation of Crimea following a Democratic, United Nations mandated policy similar to the referendum taken in Scotland to separate from the United Kingdom. The military industrial complex in the United States needs international conflicts and wars in order to maintain a significant defence budget. So they lobby and influence the political process in the U.S. Private enterprise does not have a similar influence in Russia and China.

As someone who has many american colleagues while working in New Zealand, I've noticed that an ENORMOUS amount of Americans had a huge view point that chinese products, the chinese economy and everything chinese was just not up to par and so doesn't warrant a need to be worried about. But now its coming out that literally a decade of this thinking has led to low innovation, a huge ego and just general hubris. It amazed me at just how indenial the Americans in our office were about china. And american media and other exposure based methods have made almost every new zealander not acknowledge just how gigantic the Chinese nation is. It's absolutely crazy how the general population is so proud of themselves and content with the world order that they arent even acknowledging that the world is fast becoming a multipolar one and that they should plan the next 20 years with that thinking in mind. But instead it will most likely hit them when its too late.

When did we Chinese ever say we want challenge any country? It is those that cannot catch up with us said we are challenging with them. We just want to keep develop to improve ourselves and our country. But our achievements have made many jealous, upset and frustrating.

US perceived “challenge” from China

This shows how deluded these people are.

what is a feasible compromise with China on the Taiwan issue? it doesn’t appear amenable to compromise

What threat? What value?

It’s sad to see how forgetful people are about what has been achieved so far for the betterment of the humanity by the leadership of the united states after WW II. The peace and affluence of the world we now thrive on are the fruits cultivated by the tremendous efforts of the leadership with try and error. We, living in the future our predecessors once dreamt of back then, take it granted.

The problem in US is that it is the MIC is in control of the government causeing a focus toward war.

Old folks believed yesterdays refuse

A lot of comments are against US pivoting to Asia and enforcing our rules based order. Now what would US do if other regions have excess growth while we are busy in Asia? Are we gonna play whack a mole and enforce our rules based orders against others? It is obvious that as other regions continue to grow, they will use more resources and to fuel their growth and life style. Their growth will cause our decline by increasing costs for us Americans. The question we should ask is there another more peaceful way to get along with others?

Don't worry ! With "Freedom of Navigation" , US Warships have been sailing along the coast of China for many years . The U.S. has over 750 Overseas Secret Military Bases , of which 313+ are surrounding China w/ Warships & Missiles . China should be the one who is very scare of the " American Threat" . Has China been used as a scapegoat for the Military Industrial Complex to expand their businesses continuously ?

The last few sentences really made me laugh to death. Over the past thousands of years, many empires have overexpanded and eventually collapsed.

Read widely and understand both sides of the story as an old saying goes. And check your own intentions for your thoughts, words and deeds. Then say and do from your heart ❤️. Then the world will definitely be a better place for all. Human beings and being humans in the true sense of words is a totally different thing.

Very good discussion, liked how they candidly framed “the western concept of world order” not just world order as pundits typically say. But the fact that they never mentioned or gave an assessment to US decision to expand NATO to the borders of Russia and then support a regime change in Ukraine in 2014 which doesn’t seem super compatible with the pivot to Asia concept. Are they going to give a candid evaluation of that policy in 20 years from now just like they started criticizing Bush’s invasion of Iraq which they actually defended ?

Despite 800 US military bases around world, of which more than 350 surround China in West Pacific, they are more likely to be the weakness of overstretch than the exposition of strength. Competition, confrontation, containment, constriction, curse, crisis, conflict, combat, ‘collective deterrence’: None of them seems to stop the advances of China, which is not just another big player in the world but the biggest player ever in the human history, predicted by Lee Kuan Yew long time ago. In contrast, after the collapse of the USSR in 1991, America at first self-indulged in the myth of ‘The End of History’, then launched 20 years’ war on elusive terrorism, invading Iraq and Afghanistan recklessly, not to mention GFC in 2007.

We didn't challenge America, because we were too busy and you were too idle to think.

And the '20s is about to be another lost decade if the US wouldn't learn how to do business in the 21st century.

Russia invading ukrain is no threat to either NATO or the US.

The US does not know China. During the Cold War era, lots of universities in the US offered Russian study. The US had a big pool of talent to draw from. Russia has been trying to join the West for three hundred years, welcome or not. Russia has been part of European affairs for three hundred years, like it or not. Has anyone heard that Chinese study is flourishing in the US? How do you deal with someone you do not know? But China knows the US very well. Many Chinese had studied in the US. This disparity of knowledge is a great advantage to China. And China is everywhere in the world. The Cold War was simple: The Soviet Union had the communist camp and the US had the rest of the world. There was an iron curtain clearly marking the two sides. Now, China is everywhere. China trades with all countries in the world. Chinese tourists go to dozens of countries in the world. Chinese scholars visit so many countries in the world. China provides scholarships to many students in poor countries. China builds infrastructure in over 140 countries in the world. If you want to meet the China challenge, you probably has to fight them over every commercial deal, every construction project, every loan, every scholarship, every visit by scholars, in 150 countries, over many decades. In the end, the US will lose anyway. The reason is simple. The objective of the US is to preserve the West led world order. If you fight China over every deal, giving the Global South countries better terms than the Chinese, you build up the economic strength of the Global South and they will not be led by anyone.

Speaking as an Australian, this conversation is laughable to us. There was no US pivot to Asia after Obama's big policy turn, the US has put dismal effort into maintaining its status in East Asia and has continued to ignore its allies in the region. Biden has visited Ireland several times (its an okay country, but geostrategically insignificant), the last time a US president visited Australia was well over a decade ago. And to talk about building an Asian Nato, it will never happen. You can't convince Indonesia its security relies Vietnam remaining independent, or that Thailand's security relies on South Korea remaining independent, the geography is not contiguous like in Europe, its very easy to convince Germany that its security relies on Poland remaining independent, etc. America dropped the ball hard in East Asia, the frightening thing is though the US still thinks it can dominate this region, US lost its dominance over East Asia somewhere around 2022.

This talk is so passee, a declining empire talking abt war they cant win

Why USA budget more money for her people ... Improvement of roads , housings, education or even medical for the people? Instead spending billions on wars , creating conflicts and etc

The U.S. has lost everything to others man, hahaha...🙈

What is quality diplomacy? It sounds oxymoron.

US should manage its relative decline vis a vis China gracefully instead. And strengthen multilateral institution like UN instead of undermining it for its own selfish agenda.

All the reasons USA wasted energy in wars, neglecting to improve the matter concerning the peoples of American.

*TIME is on CHINESE Side...😂*

Japan and Korea were the canaries in the coal mine

The weakness of America is about economy not military. China is economically shining and welcome around the world

You are still all talk about military dominance, not economic development. 😂

It's TOO LATE to Pivot to anywhere for U$A - Financially or Militarily or anything ! 🤣🤣🤣

Agree with the host that it is rather delusional to believe the frequently repeated mantra that economic advancement would transform the Chinese with deep rooted traditions into Americans.

Will the USA abandon the middle east special Israel

Two Cold War dinosaurs keep having their wet dreams without noticing that the Global South has awakened, as they have seen that China has proven there is a third way to prosperity.

This is DRIVEL and DELUSION! Hahahahahaha!

Economic investigator Frank G Melbourne Australia is following this informative content cheers Frank

Bearing witness to a Supernova's dying throes 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

Old American folks still in Dreamland not knowing the eastern dragon has awoken Old folk like me still can think better compared to some stubborn American politician just imagine they still believe liar Gordon Chang😅