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I know this is the wrong video to put this comment on but I wanted to ask you to do a video request and I didnt want to forget it later so I went to your most recent video but... Halo Spartan vs Section 8 Prejudice soldier? Could you do this?
#AskEck canon states that the New Republic had captured 2 Executor-class dreadnougths. What do you think the New Republic did with them? Use them in their fleet, or scrap them for parts?
"To defeat an enemy you must know them, not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art." this is the thrawn doctrine in use right there, thrawn understands from the behavior of the commander who is commanding the task force and according adjusts his strategy accordingly and is victorious all because he knows the enemy all too well
really, the way he conducted this battle isn't genius at all: he made a fairly baseless assumption, based on nothing but the enemy commander's species (which he also didn't have direct confirmation of, it was really just an educated guess), executed a very basic maneuver (margsabl), followed by another basic maneuver (flanking). and that's it. it's just basic maneuvers and a pretty stupid assumption
Thrawn is the only grand admiral to beat everyone who opposes him If he's defeated he learns from his mistakes and wins the battle We need more thrawns in life
Ain't that the truth! That's why, I am reading both Legends and Canon Thrawn book trilogies to study all I can, even the little nuances. Want to learn more about Thrawn, think like him.
Author Timothy Zahn has stated that Thrawn's character is a composite of various historical and fictional personalities, including Erwin Rommel, Robert E. Lee, Hannibal Barca, Alexander the Great, and Sherlock Holmes, to name a few. This speaks volumes about Thrawn!
Grand Admiral Thrawn was the MacGyver of the Star Wars universe. All he needed was a Swiss army knife and a single stick of dynamite, while any other Imperial Admiral would need twenty Star Destroyers with hangers filled to the brim with TIE Defenders and Bombers.
Honestly a heavily modified ISD like the Chimaera should be able to take on four Assault Frigates with relative ease. The Chimaera also has more fighters than 'normal' ISDs so as annoying as this Thrawn circle jerk is this battle is not that unrealistic.
And then in canon thrawn, Padme tells Thrawn about this strat. "General Skywalker said he'd be a one-man Marg Sabl. What did he mean?" "Oh. It's a battle tactic invented by his former Padawan apprentice. A warship turns its hangar bay away from its attacker and launches its fighters unseen. They stay in the ship's visual shadow while they form up and accelerate to attack speed. Then they come around their ship from all sides, attacking the enemy from every direction at once." "Interesting. I can see how that could be useful against certain species."
"Again, Captain, very good. Yes. Myrkr -- or more precisely, one of its indigenous animals -- was the first piece. The second is on a world called Wayland. A world for which, thanks to the Obroans, I finally have a location." "I congratulate you. May I ask just what exactly this puzzle is?" "Why the only puzzle worth solving, of course. The complete, total, and utter destruction of the Rebellion." _- Grand Admiral Thrawn and Captain Gilead Pellaeon._
Thrawn is basically an Alien Sherlock Holmes turned into a fleet Admiral in his CORRECT deduction as to WHO EXACTLY he was up against, WHAT they was gonna do, AND exactly how to defeat them. All just from only LOOKING at them and watching the formation and type of units moved in. Now THAT would be a crossover. Sherlock Holmes VS Thrawn of the Chiss in a battle of wits..
The Marg Sabl is one of the most creative tactics I've seen in sci-fi, let alone Star Wars. Now if only the bridge was on the ventral side of a star destroyer...
I literally just read this, the other day. Still reading the book now. From what I read now, I can truly see why people were and still are fascinated by Thrawn. Truly a wonderful book. Honestly, I am just trying to study everything I can about Mitth'raw'nuruodo right now. I need some Thrawn style of intelligence and wisdom in my life right now. Thanks again for another video Ecks!
Imperial Army Lieutenant: "Grand Admiral, our Imperial Commandos would need at least two Type 4 Thermal Detonators and be equipped with the latest thermal imaging systems for their optic gear to ensure mission success." Thrawn: "And what do they have available, right now?" Imperial Army Lieutenant: "We can give the platoon a belt of 12 basic concussion grenades to use, in a pinch. As far as the optics are concerned, our lead IT Contractor has said that the software needs an upgrade that he can't decrypt, yet." Thrawn: "Demote the IT Contractor to restroom attendant in the Chimera officer's lounge. As for equipping the Commando troopers, let the Noghri handle this mission, instead. They can achieve the same goal with some ignited manganese shavings and a simple flashlight, if need be." Imperial Army Lieutenant: "Right away, sir!"
To be honest, I'm not entirely convinced. Granted, Thrawn's tactic was genius and he did a textbook Thrawn elimination. But there's only two possible courses of action, all others are just one of these two with a slight variation: you either leave it because you believe it isn't a threat; or you kill that TIE because you believe it is a threat. Yeah, sure, the magnitude of your response will be a factor, but the bottom line is that there are bound to be more species than possible courses of action here. You cannot tell just from that who will be on the bridge of the lead ship or what race they are. I would've sent a flight of X-wings after those scouts, not even a full squadron, but I know some of my friends would've left it and I know others who would've sent a substantial force after them to make a point to Thrawn that he's not got a fighter advantage. I can assure you, my friends are all human. OK, maybe my friend Connor would be better described as a human calculator, but... Great video Eck
the alien commander only destroyed one tie fighter not all three nor did he order any fleet maneuvers. just shot at one tie. that isn't something a human commander or many species would do when faced with a small sentry force heading their way. a human commander may think the three sentry ships are part of some feint and order the ships in the fleet to manuever or just move to kill with overwhelming force on the three then advance full speed to attack the star destroyer.
To Thrawn's credit, it does seem there are only a few races with a history of void combat in Star Wars. Looking for tactical patterns in that smaller pool does make life easier
You're thinking in 2D terms. This is the facts as we know them. Facts: 1) the rebel commander's response revealed him. 2) His species is recently uplifted, with a history of finding glory in cavalry action. 3) this commander was stated to have a problem with chaotic action and thinking in 3D. Educated guess: rebel commander came out of hyperspace with his fighters forward in a careful V formation (or similar cavalry formation from his homeworld), a clear cavalry analog, very pretty, and with minimal 'vertical' dispersion. Thrawn notes this. He sends in a picket from an oblique trajectory. Closer to a fighter group in the middle in absolute terms, closer to the edge if the enemy commander is using a 2D representation and thinking only in 2D. Enemy commander responds in 2D.
@@Lightwolf_VR, that's an interesting way to put it. I guess I was thinking more 2D than 3D. Makes sense. But I still think that it's a bit much trying to work out what species your opponent is based on their first move. You could guess what kind of commander your opponent is (aggressive, cautious, defensive, 2 dimensional) based on their response and formation, but using that to work out a species is a bit much. Maybe the guy likes western films and got his V formation from watching John Wayne films that rather than it being culturally engrained because of his race. But who cares if Thrawn got the race right? He got the tactics of the guy perfectly nailed and Thrawn still whooped their hides.
@@samspeed6271 There's definitely an element of a Sherlock scan to it. On some level, we're meant to believe the logical jumps made because it's Sherlock (or Thrawn) making them, trusting that it makes sense to the character. But on a meta level we don't have enough sentient species to compare to know if it'd work. Maybe it was a cavalry formation famous among the species? Maybe it was in the lines (humans prefer diamond or linear patters, maybe this species likes to organize differently?) But you're right. To my memory, we're never actually told if Thrawn was right that it was that species. But whatever the case, the rebel commander thought like one, and that was the important bit.
I really can't wait to see what Disney Thrawn has cooking up in the Unknown Regions now that he doesn't have to worry about the Emperor coming after his neck.
Khalduras yes but remember that the Venator class Star destroyers had the main hanger opening on the top along with the bridge (fighters never launched from the bottom docking bay of that version) so considering the design it worked out.
More like created through thrawn, retconned for Ashoka. Because remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness.
Thrawn is such an awesome character. What really sets him aside from almost all other leaders (aside from pretty much only those who served closely under him): 1. He wins through his intelligence, not raw power. 2. He did not carry out acts of intense violence just to hurt and frighten, everything he did was for tactical and strategic reasons. 3. He did not have the Imperial prejudices that so many other Imperials have.
really, the way he conducted this battle isn't genius at all: he made a fairly baseless assumption, based on nothing but the enemy commander's species (which he also didn't have direct confirmation of, it was really just an educated guess), executed a very basic maneuver (margsabl), followed by another basic maneuver (flanking). and that's it. it's just basic maneuvers and a pretty stupid assumption
@@anb8946 Lol okay wow dude. You should really take your own advice. Are you that lonely that you need to pick a fight with someone over a comment from 2 years ago? That's pretty pathetic. Hope your life gets a little better. There's got to be better things to waste your time on.
In both canons, the Marg Sabl was a pre-existing move when Thrawn uses it. Legends Marg Sabl strategy was somewhat known and he just knew to use it against the specific species he was facing at the time. New Canon Marg Sabl was created by Ahsoka Tano, and the Marg Sabl itself is a flower from Togruta, Ahsoka's homeworld (that blooms in a certain way).
And then in canon thrawn, Padme tells Thrawn about this strat. "General Skywalker said he'd be a one-man Marg Sabl. What did he mean?" "Oh. It's a battle tactic invented by his former Padawan apprentice. A warship turns its hangar bay away from its attacker and launches its fighters unseen. They stay in the ship's visual shadow while they form up and accelerate to attack speed. Then they come around their ship from all sides, attacking the enemy from every direction at once." "Interesting. I can see how that could be useful against certain species."
So ahsoka used the Marg Sable strategy during the ryloth campaign? _Or I guess technically invented it._ Although I suppose it's a bit different because of the location of the hangar on republic cruisers.
Good vid, but I often feel a bit like Thrawn's tactics are kinda a McGuffin, in that they work regardless of making strict sense. 100 x-wings vs 6 squads of ties is not going to end well for example, even with surprise. That said, in Tie Fighter, Thrawn as a Vice Admiral has a mission in which you use a Tie Bomber as an escort, in part relying on it's healthy load out of missiles to take out enemy fighters, and if Thrawn had a few extra squadrons of Tie Bombers, or maybe Tie Avengers, they could possibly do some serious damage when they surprise the X-wings, but Tie Fighters lack missiles traditionally, so they are limited in what they could do. Either way, I enjoyed Thrawn immensely as a kid, and enjoyed this tale a great deal.
Yeah and his art and three (Possibly unmanned?) sentry ships getting destroyed letting him figure out the enemy's tactic was a bit much. (Though i will defend his sherlock move with the Falcon Lady Luck docking to the death.)
Part of the problem is that the military actions themselves are kept kinda vague in a lot the books and there’s no way to know if the author considered a ‘wing’ of x-wings to be as many ships as Eck said. Thrawns moves are pretty easy to consider either asspulls or brilliance when it’s not clear just what, precisely, the forces available are.
@@zygo0 It could possibly be Wing Pairs of X-Wings rather than three-squad rebel Wings, since normally Assault frigates carry no fighters, or parasite fighters at best.
What I was most impressed by was when he went against a separatist fleet out numbered and out guned this was when he was still in the chiss defense fleet and the separatist sent a fleet out but what he did was he kept going at them then pulling back for like 5 times but what he learned was that the Droid fighters only had a certain range before needing to go back to not lose signal from the control ship and he used that to just wipe them out when I heard that I was like yup this foo way OP
Im watching the video again and i just can't find how he won that battle other than plot. If you have say 100 fighters vs 30... it's not because your 30 are "hidden" that suddenly coming from they side they OVERWHELM 100 fighters... even more x-wings with shit ties. Another case of "just because i said so"... lol but still Thrawn the legend, too bad no one wirting this shit is a true genius that could write true genius moves and not just dumb shit :/
Remember that Pellaeon says "rotating the ship gives the fighters some cover........but the rest is just a classic Marg Sabl" - I.e. rotating the ship is NOT a standard part of the attack pattern he was confident the elomin couldn't handle. I imagine things happened pretty much as you describe, though - rotating the ship to hide the mart sable deployment till the last moment (because he needs the enemy commander reacting on instinct reflex, not having time to defer to a non elomin subordinate's advice).
A logical mind like Thrawn would surely best any other Logical enemy in any other universe. But when faced with an enemy who defies all logic and sound strategy what is one to do?
Here’s a better one, how about that time Thrawn defeated a fellow grand admiral and 3 imperial star destroyers with just the Chimera with no casualties to either side, and without actually being on board his ship, only by leaving his captain written instructions beforehand? Aka, that time Grand Admiral Savit got torn apart by Thrawn because Thrawn watched him play music.
If he merely performed, the music would have been useless to Thrawn. Rather, it was because Savin was not only a performer, but also a composer and conductor.
Karl Rovey true. The reason I didn’t get that deep into it was my comment was already rather wordy. But you are correct. “Normally, of course, music is useless to me... there is too much interpretation in performance and direction, too many variables creating uncertainty and bias and all but eliminating focus.” “But he doesn’t just compose music, he also plays, and conducts it!” “Indeed, assistant director. Moreover, He has done so in public, where both visual and auditory recordings have been made.”
Nathaniel Rourke technically Disney. It’s from the last boom of Timothy Zahns new Thrawn Trilogy (which I’m not going to lie, I personally like this trilogy better than the legends trilogy. I love Thrawn, and having this trilogy focused almost completely on him (as in not jumping around between Leia, Luke, Mara Jade ect. Like in the old trilogy) and seeing more of him in actual battle against an enemy, not just directing forces in the background.
Sort of, her maneuver was a two part, on one hand it was meant to protect the resolute from the incoming fire of the separatist frigates and cover the bombers as they launched to ambush the clankers
The First Order: *builds Starkiller base* Thrawn: "What a lovely gift!" *somehow hijacks the Starkiller base full of FO assets for himself with a squadron of TIE Fighters and a platoon of few soldiers* If only Thrawn is present during those days. Well, a kid can dream. 😐
I actually like Thrawn, he's an interesting character, a compentent admiral, sort of an evil Sherlock Holms. That said, it's easy to win when the writers hand you the victory. This story is a good example. The hype: Thawn is such a genius he defeated an ENTIRE FLEET WITH ONE SHIP!!! Yes but his one ship was a match for the four capital ships opposing him and his tie fighters a near match for the Rebel starfighters. Then the story has his opponent throw away their starfighter, looses all coherence and just die for him... sigh... Thawn gains his insights from stereotypes of entire species derived by studying their collective art, as though that could let him know what a given individual would do... Sigh... Honestly, the wing commanders would have reoriented their fighters on the Ties, they would loose some fighters to the initial surprise and the battle would degenerate into a masive dogfight, but given their numbers and the shielding of the Rebel ships they would slowly come out on top, meanwhile the Assault Frigates would have used the time to close on the Star Destoyer forcing a strategic retreat by Thawn. But that's just my opinion... The only way I see to explain Thawn's victory is that the leader of the Rebel's was a political appointee with no actual combat skill, given control of green forces with no combat experience, whom he got killed when he faced something a little out of the ordinary because he panicked.
Well how would you define evil in this case? He was actively trying to kill rebel/new republic forces to prop up an Empire that (previously) had Palpatine and Vader at its head, and liked to commit its resources to build planet killing weapons and enslaving native populations. I don't think he did evil for evil's sake, however he was very cold blooded and calculating and would not shy away from doing whatever he saw as necessary to succeed. The question of the right and wrong of his actions would, I think, be quite irrelevant to him, only the efficiency mattered, making him amoral at best. Still an interesting and compelling character.
You have to remember that in Legends Thrawn was aware of the threat of the Far Outsiders (ie the Vong). He sided with the Empire due to its Military Strength and it being a dictatorship. He was trying to preserve the Empire since those qualities would give the galaxy best chance to defeat the Vong.
@@youtubestayatyourrootsforfsake Given via retcon the actual commander who defied Thrawn's tricks survived, when Thrawn said he "Destroyed their world" (A kaleesh colony world led by an adopted "Kaleesh" starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bentilais_san_Sk%27ar ) Thrawn may have just Ion bombarded the world back to the stone age. And the New Republic did exactly that to the Yevethan homeworld years later.
After a year, I finally figured it out. The bridge was facing the X-Wings so they were planning to hit it basically in single file (since they only shot down one Tie it would imply they hate attacking on more than one direction). This in turn also gave the bridge commanders a visible target to send the now hidden waves of Ties to flank and rout all of the attacking X-Wings at their leisure. Then, without any X-Wings to pick at the Chimera, they could destroy the Rebel ships from much closer. The logic seems pretty sound all things considered.
#AskEck Which Thrawn is the true Thrawn, and not his guise? The OT (Thrawn Trilogy) The retcon (Hand of Thrawn Duology) The new (Disney Thrawn) Also, how did Mara Jade & Luke fall in love? Also, who/how did they propose?
The idea of Thrawn being able to judge an entire culture's military structures and strategies based on their race or their artwork is a nice thing to put into a fictional book, but its absolutely ridiculous in reality. Earth, in our history have created millions, billions works of art, of almost just as many styles thorughout the history of thousands of cultures over thousands of years. Can you predict the outcome of the Normandy D-Day landings, by studying the frescoes of the Sistine Chapel? Perhaps you could also then tell the results of Cao Cao's defeat at the battle of Red Cliffs by Mayan Inscriptions in Copan? Of course not. Cultures, even in a Sci-Fi world like Star Wars are unrealistically mono-culture, as in a planet only has 1 culture, 1 species and 1 people, and that simply is just now how things would work, especially since in Star Wars many planets have been colonized for thousands of years.
Disney just isn't capable of making threatening villains. Either it's because the villain is in a kid's show, or its a female hero so having her lose would make her weak (unless that villain dies a few minutes later.) They've more or less made Vader much less threatening because of how many times he loses in comics and stuff. Then you have legends villains. What makes these villains so good is that they are a real threat, so you actually care about the heroes, and it is actually possible for them to fail. Ironically making the villain stronger and the hero weaker makes them better characters.
Disney Thrawn is honestly quite cool in my opinion. But, of course, this is the Star Wars fandom, so I’m not allowed to think positively of Disney or have an opinion at all.
Thrawn was pissed, because this loss meant the end of the TIE-Defender programm. The Emperor was unwilling to give him more recources, because Tarkin and Krennic bitched about the Death Star. So it is totally understandable, that Thrawn was pissed.
@@ezioauditore2848 In legends Thrawn has multiple plans ruined by other people, but isn't phased by it in the slightest, and is often able to twist it to his own benefit. This has the effect of making him much more impressive as a character. It shows that as a strategist he isn't prone to letting his emotions get in his way, and he is fully capable of recovering from what seems like a devastating defeat (keep in mind Legends Thrawn appeared when the Rebellion was the dominant force.) That isn't to say he didn't have reason to be upset in the canon scenario, it just makes him seem weaker as a character, which in turn weakens the impact of any victory the heroes earn or any threat he presents.
There is an extremely valid reason for why Thrawn seems weaker in the new canon: He’s the protagonist. Thrawn in the legends was always the villain, so by making him unstoppable, he was made to be more threatening. But in the new books he is the protagonist and if he kept winning constantly he would be a boring character. As for his representation in rebels, the show was intended for kids. While clone wars ended up being a more mature show, rebels started off directed towards a younger audience. And unlike clone wars when Rebels approached the line between kids show and a more mature show, Rebels stuck on the “kids show” side. This is why the enemies where played down, because they didn’t want to cross the line. I personally have decided to go into the new canon with an open mind. While I will be the first to admit it’s not perfect, nothing is. Could Disney do better? Yes. Is everything New Trash? No. There are plenty of people like Dave film I and Timothy Zahn who love what they do and want to make Star Wars awesome, and as long as There are people like them who still care, there will continue to be quality content put out for us. Also, it wasn’t just “one fuel depot” It was the ONLY FUEL DEPOT NEAR THE FACTORY. And without it Thrawn’s defender project would fail. The project that Thrawn knew would save the empire would fail. Thrawn had good reason to be annoyed. Sorry for the long comment, I’ve just got no friends who like the eu so I can’t really discuss this with anyone... May the force be with you all!
Wow, the X-wing pilots must have been some of the worse the NR had to offer if they couldn't even take down half as many TIEs as them. I mean, as good as Thrawn is, he cant influence a dogfight between starfighters...and Eck always says how superior the Xwings were compared to the TIEs, with their shields and much better pilots...
nahh ı dont get it. making stardestroyer side not hide your fighter enemy have radars or scouts fighters. ı still dont get when some one atacking first usally lose . bravery equals to stupidty on many things events not just star wars. so rule is if you are equel the enemy force never attack. simple is that. is this even tactic or geniousty not its moronic act. not respect the enmy at all. also art forms shows personlty weakness not cominty weakness. sometimes if you force enemy weakness they can become more stronger. thrawn charecter look like usa goverment.
What if the UNSC had never researched the spartan 2 or mjolnir programs. However one month after first contact with the covenant the UNSC INFINITY and her escort fleet of Autumn class cruisers appear at earth through a wormhole. The ships are fully operational and have manuals detailing how all ship systems, such as shielding and more advanced slipsace, operate and also how to build them for other ships. However it goes not have the spartan 4s. How does this affect the human covenant war? Does humanity win or lose? #askeck
2 questions: how many CR90 corvettes would it take to destroy an imperial 1 class star destroyer, and how long would it take for the ewoks to eat the population of an imperial 1 class star destroyer?
What would have happened if UNSC had defeated he covenant forces and captured the forerunner fleet in Halo Wars instead of destroying the ships?. #askeck
No imperial or any leader in the star wars universe is good. If you get a general from our world and put him in star wars he would be destroy any enemy. The leaders in star wars dont use much tactics.
Actually, that is good point also we are very different than the New Republic if Earth was in Star Wars, if Earth was in Star Wars, we probably be an tourism and military training for the Empire.
I generally like thrawn's plans, executions, and style. But this one seems... Implausible, to me. The x-wings vastly outnumbered the ties, and each is generally better than their imperial counterparts. Further, x-wings were known to be very effective against capital ships. That, combined with how supposedly "well-known" the marg sabl maneuver was... Well, it just boggles the mind how anyone could lose with that kind of lead. Thrawn blames this on the opposing commander's mindset, and how they have difficulty dealing with unstructured tactics (boiling down an individual to just their species, writing off their experiences, motivations, or training). But... The marg sabl WAS structured, if it was that commonplace. Further, the pilots and squadron leadership are not rigorously locked into formations and being exactly where their commander desires them. Carried over from the rebellion, new republic forces placed emphasis on that adaptability. Even with their commander possibly floundering and making bad calls, it seems inconceivable that the fighter wings were eradicated entirely by what was ultimately the most telegraphed and obvious tactic thrawn could have employed. He played by the book, and the NR... Completely fell on their faces. This was not thrawn's genius at play, but another example of faceless opponents being bumbling idiots for the sake of the plot.
I enjoyed the Thrawn trilogy, but his ability to understand a species through their art was always a bit absurd to me. He might be able to discern something about the person who made the piece of art, but the person's entire species? I don't think so! "He has studied their artwork. That may be useful if the Republic has nothing left but artists to throw at us." - Joruus C'baoth
Not too hard to believe actually. If you assume that, as a species advances, languages and cultures blend together as the species becomes more unified and globalized, then you can expect the art and such of that species to gradually lose diversity as well. Then, you analyze the patterns in not one but multiple are pieces. Say you observe a lack of reds and greens in a species' artwork, you could easily assume they may be color blind. Study their literature. Is it very creative, or is it very logical and pragmatic. I mean, look at human literature. The 'heroic journey' has been a plot point for pretty much any adventure, sci-fi or fantasy since the Epic of Gilgamesh. Sure, the plot might shift, but the general structure remains the same. Have hero. Hero has talent. Hero is chosen. Hero does well. Hero gets better. Hero has downfall. Hero learns from downfall. Hero improves from downfall. Hero triumphs. Story end. Look at art movements. Baroque, Enlightenment, Art Deco, etc. Look at what was going on in the world at the time of these movements. Events inspire thoughts and mindsets of generations. Now you can see how a species was responding to those events based on how their art changed. Does war inspire them? Then expect glorious paintings of war. Does it horrify them? Then expect grotesque and somber paintings. But then, you look at it with a bigger picture. Look for patterns through those art periods. How did the species respond to these events, what did all of these movements have in common? Hell, there's an entire science behind this known as sociology. It's literally just sociology, anthropology, and psychology.
@@justicar77 no, you cant expect that though. Even within a single culture, if you were to assume that an entire species will have no cultural diversity (which is its own brand of ridiculous but not gonna get into that here), there is massive amounts of diversity in art. Look at all the different stuff thats in the united states alone, everything from hollywood action movies to creepy arthouse horror films to deviantart fetish art. Massive diversity, within a single country, let aloen a single species. Despite the thing about 'hero's journey', its easy to find countless thousands of stories that dont match that (already extremely vague and nondescript to the point of being nearly useless as an identifier) template in the slightest. Sure you might be able to derive *some* things from their art. Such as them being color blind. But you're 100% not going to immediately predict every strategy or tactic they will use. Even if you had a perfect 100% understanding of that species psychology you still wouldnt because they have individuals with significantly different personalities. Unless somehow these entire species only have a single personality trait.
What I often see in the comments are people referring to what Thrawn uses on the surface to study a species, their art. It's naive to think that the only thing he studied or understood was their art. But what I've discovered is that the collective art can reveal the psychological, cultural, spritual and tactical values of a particular group as well as reveal their goals, needs and desires. The art revealed to him the psychological flexibilities and rigidities of a given society or rather a group from that particular society. He was a tactical genius because he could recognize and understand these patterns in order to exploit their weaknesses and vulnerabilities. This trait also made him an exceptional strategist and leader. He had the ability to read between the lines of what was on his opponent's surface to the ingrained instinctual core underneath. He was not without mistakes but his ability to learn from the errors he made on the fly often altered the course of many battles in his favor when everyone could have expected a dismal outcome for the Empire. I would like to have seen him as a military leader of the New Republic or at least an Imperial leader in a joint venture. If only both sides could have stopped fighting long enough to understand one another, I daresay that either The Expanded Universe (I'll never call it Legends... because Disney) or Disney Canon Universe could both be vastly different than what they turned out to be.
that only works if every single culture HAS psychological rigidities. Most good commanders are quite flexible and cant reliably be counted on to always try the same tactic. Even if you knew everything there was to know about, say, german culture, human psychology, and everything else you still wouldnt be able to reliably predict every single tactic the germans might use
@@lenkagamine4145 While this is true, finding out what ingrained psychological rigidities there are in a particular culture makes it easier to find a weakness somewhere in that culture. This makes it possible to turn that into a tactical exploit. Because you brought up German culture I'll cite a tactic used during the second world war by allied forces that exploited a cultural rigidity amongst the Germans. Germans at the time were a very hygienic culture and they didn't like any kind of dirtiness or smelliness, so allied forces would go long periods of time without bathing. Often this lead to allied soldiers that were captured in small groups to be sent back to their side immediately because the German soldiers simply didn't want to have to carry a stinky trooper to be processed as a prisoner of war. This led to that single stinky trooper to go back to the allied lines carrying information on German positions back to their leaders. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Dirty Tactics". It's a perfect example of a cultural rigidity being used to an advantage by the opposing side. TL;DR It's not about predicting their tactics, it's about exploiting weaknesses in their tactics.
Thrawn did it first (at least in release order). It was such a cool move and that they hadn't introduced Thrawn yet that they decided to give Ahsoka the idea of doing it.
If we get to see more of thrawn in the cinamatic universe, i hope he's introduces like this. Or maybe a space fight and we see a star destroy take up this tactic 4:56
Eclipse class super star destroyer vs Medaruza class heavy battleship (Space Battleship Yamato) Subjugator class heavy cruiser vs Medaruza class heavy battleship. Imperial fleet at Endor vs Gamilas fleet at the battle of Pluto (Space Battleship Yamato) Starkiller base vs Bolar Federation fortress (Space Battleship Yamato 3) UNCF Andromeda (AAA-01) vs the first order. Space Battleship Yamato (the ship, either season 3 or late 2202) vs the Galactic Empire before the battle of yavin. Dark Empire fleet at Byss vs Bolar Federation fleet at Berth. (Space Battleship Yamato 3) Attempt 6 Grand Admiral Thrawn vs Supreme Leader Dessler Attempt 1 Anyone else interested in these? Who does everyone think would win?
When Thrawn completed his capital ship positioning class at the Imperial Naval Academy, he shook the instructor's hand and commended him on his knowledge.
this isn't an impressive feat. Any captain who is in control of a star destroyer is capable ( or should be capable) of talking on half a doon smaller warships that the rebels used and coming out on top .ITS A STAR DESTROYER., its a mile long ship with like 200 weapons on it. We are only told its imperesive because every single imperial officer when in command of a star destroyer in a battle, dosnt use it correctly.
