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How To Kill The Main Character ABRUPTLY and not have Everyone HATE You 

J.J. Plagiarisms
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To demonstrate that Joel Miller's death was completely unearned and written by a complete goof, let's go through some other stories that ALSO kill off the MAIN Character in an ABRUPT way but didn't result in a Divide that rivals the Berlin Wall.
Stories Used (SPOILERS)
-Darth Vader and Ghost Prison (2012)
-Transformers: Decepticons (2007)
-Grand Theft Auto IV: The Complete Edition (2008)
-Grand Theft Auto V (2013)
and last but certainly LEAST, The Last of Our Patience Part II
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@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 2 месяца назад
ANOTHER good example I should've brought up is Call of Duty: Black Ops (2010) SPOILERS: Midway through the campaign or so, Viktor Reznov reveals to the Protagonist Alex Mason through a flashback that the Russian Protagonist of the predecessor, (World At War), Dimitri Petrenko, was betrayed alongside Reznov by the main villain, Nikita Dragovich and we witness through Reznov's eyes in the flashback Petrenko's death, signifying the unjust betrayal, as Reznov was immediately branded a traitor to the Soviet Union, and ended up in one of the infamous gulags, plotting his revenge against Dragovich. It was also a brutal and slow death for Petrenko. He's locked into a room adjacent to Reznov, and gassed, and we witness his pain firsthand before he dies. "Dimitri Petrenko was one of the bravest men I had ever known. He fought by my side from the siege of Stalingrad to the fall of Berlin. The wounds he sustained ensuring our victory should have earned him a hero's welcome to Russia. But Stalin had little need for heroes. Dimitri Petrenko was a hero, he deserved a hero's death. Instead of giving his life for the glory of the Motherland, he died for nothing, like an animal... He should have died in Berlin." - Viktor Reznov describing Dimitri Petrenko to Alex Mason. I would also refer to as Petrenko and Reznov as Anti-Heroes, as they're seen committing war crimes against German Soldiers in World At War but are still sympathetic enough from a story perspective.
@bronykingamethystrain5676
@bronykingamethystrain5676 2 месяца назад
So thats what happened to Dimitri.
@godzillazfriction
@godzillazfriction 2 месяца назад
so what did TLOU2 do so 'terribly' you didn't really delve as to how and instead made baseless comparisons to one-up the games that you've mentioned as doing it the 'right' way or whatever you feel as if it's written up to par to your set of perceived standards of what it should be as while invalidating TLOU2 because it somehow didn't fit that standard...
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 2 месяца назад
I don't know what you're on about...?
@godzillazfriction
@godzillazfriction 2 месяца назад
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 😐... i pray that you made this comment against the other guy.
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 2 месяца назад
@@godzillazfriction Nope
@darthprime1990
@darthprime1990 2 месяца назад
This is why killing off beloved characters in a stupid way is not only terrible, but it's a disservice to them. Joel Miller from The Last of Us Part 2, Batman from Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, and Luke (Jake) Skywalker in The Last Jedi are prime examples, though the latter died at the end of the movie.
@BioshockDrill
@BioshockDrill 2 месяца назад
Jake Skywalker???
@MrLeapFrog
@MrLeapFrog 2 месяца назад
@@BioshockDrill Mark Hamill said that Luke didn't feel like Luke in TLJ so he said: "Maybe he's Jake Skywalker."
@Dalton_Boardman2000
@Dalton_Boardman2000 2 месяца назад
Jake Skywalker sounds so fucking lazy I'm surprised it's not actually part of the sequels.
@charleszp938
@charleszp938 2 месяца назад
I don't mean to cuck for the bad stuff in KTJL, but it would be uncharacteristic, and character assassination if the Squad had dealt with Batman with any amount of reverence. Not to mention that they're all interned convicts, and that the Bat is the reason why Harley's in jail, at that point in the story, Batman is irreversibly corrupted by Brainiac's influence, and nothing but death could change that. Now did they have to write the story in such a way that would lead to Bruce's death? A categorical no. However, we're stuck with that. Stay primed for Batman's next iteration. Or the one after that.
@rikardandersson5582
@rikardandersson5582 Месяц назад
Superman getting killed off screen as an infant in The Flash
@Bomboclat91
@Bomboclat91 2 месяца назад
Bro i remember when Lee died in walking dead bro that killed me😭
@sjoerdjonker6372
@sjoerdjonker6372 2 месяца назад
The perfect example how to kill off the protagonist in a good way.
@ChillyChief612
@ChillyChief612 2 месяца назад
Everyone knew joel was going to die in the sequel. Killing a beloved character is a very particular thing to do. Even if joel doesn't deserve a heros death, his character deserves better. He saved abby, which he had no insentive do and gets punished for it.
@jeezed2950
@jeezed2950 2 месяца назад
Dude I didn't just shoot the doctor in a non lethal area, I didn't kill anybody in the level. It's possible to sneak past everyone in the building, in fact on the hardest difficulty which I did it on, it was the only way to go because the combat was too RNG based to reliably kill enemies.
@thegatorhator6822
@thegatorhator6822 2 месяца назад
kek
@backupschmliff1156
@backupschmliff1156 2 месяца назад
It's not even about the fact Joel died. It's the fact that it was so contrived and the rest of the game was full of that level of extremely forced writing.
@jaxxpool9630
@jaxxpool9630 2 месяца назад
A little unrelated, but I need to allude to Harley Quinn from Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League and what she did to Batman.....One of the most disgusting scenes I've ever seen.
@darthprime1990
@darthprime1990 2 месяца назад
That part was insulting and disrespectful. Especially how Kevin Conroy passed away before the game was released.
@bronykingamethystrain5676
@bronykingamethystrain5676 2 месяца назад
NO SHIT
@scottdrotos8525
@scottdrotos8525 2 месяца назад
@@darthprime1990Kevins death would not make a difference in the scene.
@christianwelch4206
@christianwelch4206 2 месяца назад
​@@scottdrotos8525 Sad, but true. No one knew he was dying except for Kevin himself, so it's not like the writers were intentionally "dishonoring his memory" or however one wishes to put it. Plus... (SPOILER WARNING) Batman isn't gone for good, according to the leaks. They still ruined the Arkhamverse, of course. The damage is just slightly less severe than we thought.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 месяца назад
@@christianwelch4206 I'd say the damage is pretty severe, all things considered. There's no coming back for this franchise.
@SQUIDBEARSTUDIO
@SQUIDBEARSTUDIO 2 месяца назад
Honestly It’s Shame That Transformers Never had a True Stable Continuity like Star Wars. The Closest we got was with The War For Cyberton Games in 2010, where they tried to use all 20 years of Transformers history into one thing.
@Spootprime
@Spootprime 2 месяца назад
Thats literally the best part about it tho??? how every few years it reinvents itself and finds new ground...? we wouldn't have gems like IDW'05 or most of the shows without it hell, the WFC games and Aligned continuity failed because of that.
@SQUIDBEARSTUDIO
@SQUIDBEARSTUDIO 2 месяца назад
@@SpootprimeI Guess, but it would be nice for Continuity Sake.
@BioshockDrill
@BioshockDrill 2 месяца назад
​@@SQUIDBEARSTUDIO id be willing to bet most transformers fans don't give a flying fuck about continuity, unfortunately. As long as Optimus be Priming, and Bumble be Bee'in, it's gonna sell well
@christianwelch4206
@christianwelch4206 2 месяца назад
​​@@BioshockDrill You'd be surprised. Even Transformers Prime, one of the most popular shows in the franchise, isn't safe from fan backlash, and one of the most common criticisms is the terrible continuity. As SQUIDBEAR said, it was originally planned to share a universe with the High Moon games and the novel trilogy that started with Exodus, but they all contradict each other so much that this plan was thrown out the window, though many fans and some of Hasbro's employees didn't seem to get the memo. And don't even get me started on the live-action movies. As we speak, fans all around the world are arguing over how to resolve the numerous continuity errors and whether or not Bumblebee was the beginning of a reboot. I'm sure there are those truly don't give a crap, but I can tell you from personal experience that a lot of them do.
@BrandontheAwesome
@BrandontheAwesome 2 месяца назад
@@christianwelch4206 Gimme the days of Michael Bay and Transformers Animated anyday.
@alansmods1775
@alansmods1775 2 месяца назад
Best way to kill off a.main character is that of Arthur Morgan from Rdr2
@Wade_Tyler
@Wade_Tyler 2 месяца назад
The Last Jedi of us
@user-jz5cd7vs5s
@user-jz5cd7vs5s 2 месяца назад
Yeah I gotta agree with you on the transformers game, it especially characterizes starscream much better than how he was in the movie. And although I still don't like the designs of the characters, I appreciate the story the game tells and how it characterizes everyone.
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 2 месяца назад
The Dorito-Shaped Transformer with chicken legs.
@user-jz5cd7vs5s
@user-jz5cd7vs5s 2 месяца назад
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 XD
@ximthedespot4673
@ximthedespot4673 2 месяца назад
Not to mention Skywarp and Thundercracker never got to appear in media much.
@user-jz5cd7vs5s
@user-jz5cd7vs5s 2 месяца назад
@@ximthedespot4673 yeaaaaahhh, and even if they did appear in the movies they wouldn't look like themselves at all.
@ximthedespot4673
@ximthedespot4673 2 месяца назад
@@user-jz5cd7vs5s Not just the movies either. They don't show up in anything outside of comics on the regular.
@newstarkiller
@newstarkiller 2 месяца назад
Don’t forget in the original MW2 near the end of Loose Ends Shepherd betrays Task Force 141 and Kills Ghost and Roach in probably one of the most saddest moments in gaming history. Also in Black Ops 2 where if you didn’t see through the ploy of the trade off. You could actually end up having Woods kill Alex Mason, the protagonist of the first game. And finally we have the entirety of Halo Reach where one by one you team is killed until you make your last stand.
@LowLevelLemmy
@LowLevelLemmy Месяц назад
Holy crap that decepticon story was amazing
@KylePhantomK94
@KylePhantomK94 2 месяца назад
I might be in the minority on this, but I don't think The Last of Us is all that special.
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 2 месяца назад
To be honest, neither did I, but I wanted to demonstrate why the Last of Us Part II needlessly divided people.
@KylePhantomK94
@KylePhantomK94 2 месяца назад
@@j.j.plagiarisms7149 I could go on and on about the issues with The Last Of Us. The second game I really couldn't careless, but it did absolutely divide people.
@Maybeyoudorho
@Maybeyoudorho 2 месяца назад
I wonder if one of the reasons why Forsaken was so successful as a D2 DLC, despite killing off a beloved character, was exactly how they handled the message in the story. Besides fun gameplay, we had a Revenge vs Justice kind of thing going on as we were going on the mission to kill Uldren Sov. As the story progress, some characters approve and disapprove of your violent behavior and will comment on it. Ghost especially became concerned for the player as the mission went on despite being determined in the beginning. Becoming concerned for the person we were turning to and whether or not this was the right decision. The mission questions your motives, whether or not you had the right and even provokes you into agreeing with the violent Revenge filled path. In the end as we become the judge, jury, and executioner of Uldren Sov he asks “The line between light and dark is oh so thin. Do you know which side you’re on?” There is a difference between Justice and Revenge. And that’s the main take away I got from that DLC. What were you doing all this for? Even if you weren’t going to kill him over revenge it didn’t mean he should be free to live as his crimes as Uldren Sov called for the death penalty. He hurt so many more people than just you. There was even another character present in the end, and when the scene went to black we hear a gunshot letting the player decide for themselves how and why Uldren died. Did you kill him? Did you kill him for justice or revenge? Did you not kill him, and let the NPC kill him? The DLC respected its players on this and it’s the reason why it’s my favorite revenge story
@KrustyToast4
@KrustyToast4 Месяц назад
Another good example would be John Marston in the first Red Dead Redemption. His death is very abrupt but it doesn’t ruin the story whatsoever
@christianvalentincota5452
@christianvalentincota5452 2 месяца назад
Funny how no more heroes 2 did the revenge is bad plot better
@sjoerdjonker6372
@sjoerdjonker6372 2 месяца назад
I also see the way how they execute Joel's death as a lousy excuse to make way for other characters to hijack the story. The Lev and Abby relationship feels as a weaker imitation of Ellie and Joel's dynamic. Abby and Lev surviving as if they are going to be in future stories. Also Ellie sparing Abby is the wrong message of the whole Revenge theme. It simply makes no sense at that point and Ellie is not even rewarded for that cause everyone left her. Abby instead gets away with cold blooded murder right after Joel even saved her life. Ellie has to pay for her Revenge even though she spared Abby in the end. Abby gets away with it does not show remorse, does not learn anything by it.
@joyifu
@joyifu 2 месяца назад
i’m not sure if abby “got away with cold blooded murder” when all of her friends were killed and she was beaten half to death
@sjoerdjonker6372
@sjoerdjonker6372 2 месяца назад
​@@joyifuI mean it would be and the game probably wants you to think like this, but it ultimately still worked out for her in the end. Abby survived had Lev and are sailing to the sunset but still did not learn, because she was the one who set all the killing in motion in the first place. Furthermore it takes some pretty hard mental gymnastics for Abby to be able to instantly drop the Revenge cycle given the situation. She killed Joel, but is somehow able to spare Ellie time after time. How is Ellie a mental wreck while Abby can hold her cool after everyone around her slaughtered. That is what I ment by that.
@devildelirious8662
@devildelirious8662 2 месяца назад
Yooo transformers decepticons
@xxcaptninjaxx4301
@xxcaptninjaxx4301 2 месяца назад
awesome/interesting comparison to the last of us 2
@graphicalgraphics6959
@graphicalgraphics6959 2 месяца назад
bro is 4 years late to complain about part 2 i was complaining before it even got released
@mr.moonlight7810
@mr.moonlight7810 2 месяца назад
Last of Us Part 2 was just a wasted potential and waste of an actual good character. I rather not remember TLOU2 existing at all and just remember it as some bad fanfiction. Joel could've died in so many ways that would feel natural but nah. They rather pass the message and their agenda to players because that's what it matters. God forbid these writers writing any more game story anymore.
@kinman3051
@kinman3051 2 месяца назад
Wait. Tarkin did a coup? Why didnt we ever learn about this Man, Megatron just did what Vader did
@alcarbo8613
@alcarbo8613 2 месяца назад
Was your Discord account hacked?
@j.j.plagiarisms7149
@j.j.plagiarisms7149 2 месяца назад
Yes
@bronykingamethystrain5676
@bronykingamethystrain5676 2 месяца назад
So... Any plans on a vid about Abby's poor writing?
@WorstSpieler
@WorstSpieler 2 месяца назад
TBH i dont think you should have released a video before completely finishing the game. When I got to the part where they smashed Joel's brain's out on the floor, I stopped playing for a week because I was traumatized. I had already been spoiled and knew about what would happen at the end, and part of me didn't want to keep playing. But I did keep playing, and I enjoyed it for the most part. I don't like the game entirely, it has a lot of flaws. But that being said, your credibility isn't 100% because you really haven't finished the game, just like how I wouldn't feel complete if I didn't finish it either.
@woldemunster9244
@woldemunster9244 Месяц назад
You can have my portion of that "bigot sandwich", i would have stopped playing just for that. There's your 99% credible opinion, delivered fresh.
@WorstSpieler
@WorstSpieler Месяц назад
@@woldemunster9244 well I wanted to form my own opinion instead of just take the word of other people who never even played the game. If Neil was gonna kill Joel off, I had to know why he did it, so I played the rest of the story. Was it worth it? Yes. Was the story good? Absolutely no. Most of the reason why I enjoyed the game was because of the mechanics. The story itself left a bad taste in my mouth. I’ll be honest I don’t care much for politics and I don’t even know what a bigot sandwich means. But objectively, the utilization of Joels death in my opinion was in vain, and the story kinda sucked. I just don’t appreciate when a person reviews a game but doesn’t actually play it. Like how am I supposed to even care about it if they haven’t experienced it. I know for a fact that Last Of Us pt. II’s story was terrible because I played it, not because I took some dudes word.
@woldemunster9244
@woldemunster9244 Месяц назад
@@WorstSpieler Funny how i know about the bigot sandwich but you don't.... (it's in the game) I appreciate when someone is honest about the fact that a game is "too shit" to play through, i wouldn't want anyone to torture themself by playing nihilistic, preachy and ugly storyline that goes only down till the end. I truly hope you got the game for free, RU-vidrs at least make some money from analyzing that depressing piece of drucman feces.
@TheTom20
@TheTom20 2 месяца назад
Whatever, I like this game
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