Doing gods work Andrew. I had always wondered about the output shaft on the Jeep boxes, having those boxes side by side has saved me the expense and hassle of finding out myself. Also, the RWD adapter is 👌
i thought there's 2 flavours discounting the smaller hp70~ so jeep/demon/BMW was the same it was just 4x4 vs 2x4 drive nope thanks now i can see, my bell/parts are based around Chevy's and mopar-RB440/hemi so the closest is the hellcat's/SBM and or adaptation kit's aftermarket off the shelf not 4x4 BMW--8hp-transmission, so i wonder what's the difference between a dodge 80 and a 90 and a bwm-4x4 trans now beside's the bell/case as my first thought 💭was surprised to find out that dodge is making heavyweight vehicles and higher power as a combo ( i did hear that manual transmission tr6060 platformed car's like mine got passed by the automatic updates/upgrade's but didn't know it's about the same limits at 800hp-1200hp~ sorry forgot the torque number's ) but using the middle/small/under size parts, one would have figured it would have more warranty claims and or they would have learned the lessons of others in the malaise/70's/fwd era of crapy 🇺🇸 car's there saying that the BMW box/transmission/8HP is the best all rounder but did they look at the ford/GM 10-speed's? as the 10R80 to 10R140 look's up to snuff hardware wise and a wider-gearing split 1st being about 5:1 and OD about .05:1
Great work doing the hard yards figuring out the differences between the manufacturers! Being a mechanic for the last 20 years id already guessed the BMW 8hp70 was going to be the way to go but I certainly didn't know the in depth reasons why. Your conversion is very well though out.
Gday, found you channel last week through Macca, I really enjoying the tech side and being into machining I can appreciate the effort that’s going into the adapter plates, Im keen to see how Macca‘a holds up after a bit of gentle Sunday driving 😂, cheers
Zero to guru. Wow, you guys really know your stuff. Thanks also for the email response about trans and engine swap options for an OKA. I suspect we'll be doing business in due course.
Very cool to see Luke finks old jzx90 in the shop at simply tuning. That just tells me whom ever won the raffle, is gonna be thee type of person that’s really gonna love and care for that car. Not only will it be thrashed but hopefully it’ll be taken such good car of it you wouldn’t know by looking at it it’s thrashed!
The reason why I am looking into 8HP70 swaps is because I happen to own a BMW E38 740d. That's an M67D40 biturbo V8 diesel with a 5HP30. The engine is so heavy duty it is hard to believe when you see it's internals. Locomotive levels of torque potential. And BMW tuned it to limit the torque to only 560Nm, the exact numer the ZF rated these 5HP30 transmissions. Some people tune lightly it to 620-630Nm, but that's right on the verge of failure. At first I thought about 6HP32 swaps as they don't require any adapters if you get the correct bellhousing and they are rated to 750Nm. Then the 8HP swaps in Poland blew up and it is hands down the best option. Why put so much work to get another wasteful sloshbox if 8HPs are so efficient. The instant lock-up and so many cruising gears. I bet could probably maintain 200km/h @ 1800RPM on the 8th as I have the longest 2.65:1 differential.
Ohhhh man, we never got the M67 here and i can't tell you how much i would love to get my hans one one. You are absolutely right about the benifits of the 8HP. If you do comepete the 8hp swap please let me know. Would love to hear how it turns out.
With regard to the Jeep 8HP tuning with HP Tuners, for whatever reason HPT started putting the tire revs/mile and rear diff ratio settings in the VCM Scanner vs VCM Editor in some vehicles. If you're curious, it might be worth a check for shits and giggles.
Its still a pretty new thing to do, we are gettings hundreds of emails about conversions so we want to try and help eveyone understand a few key things.
Great channel, I've watched a few videos and subscribed. Its obvious you guys know what you're talking about. A quick question, if you still reading these comments, i have a BMW 640D Gran coupe, 2018 reg low millage 28k, I am considering a stage 1 remap but was wondering, my ZF8HP70 gearbox is supposed to be rated officially up to a max of 700Nm. What realistically do you think they can handle without issues or failures? Cheers and keep up the good work guys!
We have only really pushed them with the Turbo Lamik controller. However a diesel making 1100nm seems fine. I would recomend getting some custom software on your TCU if you want to push past the 700nm number. They seem incredible under rated from what we have done with them.
Im going to swap my 05 Range Rover, im going to use the swap and ABS off a 330xi I just got, Im going to use an 8HP45X, and an M54, I was going to do an N54 swap, I already have it, but I want it for reliability, with a nice super charger Ill be happy with 400hp, just reliable and on stock internals.
The more I learn, the more I realized there is still much to learn in something that might leave me air headed if not lifted that I learned something new. I didn’t know most modern cars share these components it just depends the horsepower they are rated for.
Since a Dodge 8HP should theoretically bolt up to a small block Chrysler 318/340/360, would a Turbolamik run one of them as well because you mentioned HpTuner flashes are available but not if a Turbolamik can run them. It would be a perfect upgrade for an old Mopar MuscleCar me thinks 🤔
For a full on custom big turbo LS setup an OEM style shifter and 8 speeds for general daily use would be sweet rather than glide or turbo400 from last millenium
100% they make the cars so much nicer to drive on the street. They are also much more efficent at transfering the power. Way less drivetrain loss than a glide or th400.
One of these into the Holden LS1 Adventra which has the NV124 transfer case used. I know of a kit for the 6L80e as conversion to LS powered Adventra/Cross8. The 8HP70X may well almost bolt in with an existing bell housing adaptor which are already around. This might be an even better option than a 6L80e.
@@FuManchu5ltr If you want to purchase everything to bolt the trans in, you will be looking at $15k-$20k for the 8hp conversion. The LS to 8hp adapter exists for around $1600. But you will need a custom transfer case adapter. Then possibly tail shafts, trans cooler adaper, TCU, shifter, cross member.
Also thought I would just add the Jeep gladiator shouldn’t have any problems when set up correctly . There is lots of different apps for your phone and pc that you are able to change tyre size axle ratio transmission case such as J scan and ecri and many others
Are you sure they specifically calibrate the transmission? I was under the impression hp tuners is the only software capable of editing the tcu flash. Tcu writes take quite a while too btw.
@@ZeroTo60Tube No I don’t think it actually calibrates the transmission. But it is very important to have the axle ratios and tyre size calibrated correctly if this isn’t done the transmission will not be reading the correct values . It’s worth a shot the J scan app is only around $30 and I’m pretty sure it will fix the problem if not the app is still worth having if you own a Jeep as you can read and write and do most things that are jeep workshop can do
@@mitchellpaterson7062 this car sees the correct speed, abs module dash cluster etc, the problem is the transmission doesn’t. And that’s why it’s shift points are out of whack. The tcu must be able to calculate road speed itself. Or else the car wouldn’t move when you have a abs fault.
what about MaxxECU? I’ve heard it has CAN capability and also supports automatic gearbox control. seems like something perfect for an unpopular platform as an E53 X5 is 😀
Maxxecu is amazing. I am a big fan of them. We are stocking them at 8speed.au. there will be a update shortly regarding 8hp control. its very complex and will only work with certain firmware on the tcu. so hold out for a little while.
What is the largest concentric bellhousing available? I have a long term project to replace the Aisin six speed behind my Cummins 5.0 V8 Diesel, with the 8HP. My cummins uses the SAE bell housing pattern.
I’m going with a v8 jeep 8hp70 box for my 2.8 L Crd JK wrangler as it will bolt in with no adapter plates needed and also the standard driveshaft will work also using the PCS controller for can interface
I have read about a few people that have done it. There doesnt seem to be anything too challenging about it. The hardest part i am aware of is tuning the transmission with HP tuners after you get it working.
@@ZeroTo60Tube yeah it’s quite a regular conversion for the 3.6l V6 petrol nag1 to 8hp45 . But not so much with the 2.8 diesel as USA didn’t get the diesel and also it uses the bigger v8 Bell housing But thanks a few people have recommended now sound German automotive so I will definitely get in contact with them
Are you guys considering adapter plates to fit 1hd fte applications? I've been looking all over the place for one for my 100 land cruiser since learning about thiese gearboxes 18 months ago
Do an 8hp on the e53 x5 4.6 so I can start saving my money to do one on mine lol. I'm not looking to fix the 5hp24 in mine. Isn't worth it. Especially if it needs a rebuild which will cost like $2-3000.
Many people would follow. The five speed automatics on the pre-facelift E53 are just garbage. Especially since they are too weak to be paired with the 4.4 and 4.6 engines, but BMW did it anyway and told everybody to not ever change the fucking trans oil.
Yes, we already have the adpaters. www.8speed.au/products/toyota-1uz-2uz-3uz-8hp-45-50-70-75-76-n57-b58-b57-s58-adapter-kit?_pos=1&_sid=4ec864fce&_ss=r We have a kit for the 6 cyl landrcuisers in the works. The GTR kits. Thats probabaly all the awd ones for the next few months.
@@ZeroTo60Tube For sure! I myself have porsonally done 70000kms on my gearbox (now at 152000km) with over 600nm at all times. i abuse my car a lot, to the extend it is getting a new engine in next week, because it died on track. the 8hp45 is also used in Nürburgring langstrecken series, English BMW Super cup and probably a few more series i don't know of. So the 8hp45 is not a week gearbox. Its also used in a f11 520d which has a tow capacity of 2000kg. so thats a total tow of 3800kg, if the 5 series is empty. I will try to log on torque reduction at WOT on track when the season starts again, then sent it directly to your email. Would be cool see your guys opinion on that and i could probably learn a thing or two in the process.. you guys willing to do so?
@@1bmw_Clubsport prob no where near the amount of shock/unloading going through the drive train when just straight towing. Put an aussie in a wife beater out in the bush and they can be pretty mechanically hard on stuff
I’m keen to throw a 8hp in my daily. It’s just an E46 with the M54 but it would make a cool improvement to that as a platform. I wouldn’t change my e92 DCT though
Not sure where you live, but here in San Diego at the local junk yard, called Primos they go for around $250-$350 for the 8HP45's, haven't called about higher ones.
@@ddesilva61 It worked perfectly. Using the TCU to setup an accurate tq value with some senors on the engine, makes it work just like a modern engine ECU.
@@ZeroTo60Tube It'd be interesting to know the differences between the 70 and 90...even the 75. Some say very little. Which is truly the strongest ? And best suited to say 1/2 mile stuff, or mile, as well as 1/4 for say a 200mph 1/2 car
I kinda think the little one 8hp45 might be good for my old CA18, I just want to be able to shift mid corner while drifting and not loose any torque! And I don’t think it’ll make much more than 350whp. But it probably won’t make a lot of torque.
Love the video, answered so many questions! I will be using a Jeep/Dodge 8hp because it's going in a Jeep with a hemi engine, so my question which you didn't nessisarrily says was is the turbo Lamik compatible with the Jeep boxes? I know it's not preferable but will the Lamik TCU board and controller fit/work in those shown boxes?
Yes absolutely, the lamik will control a jeep box. However can intergration with the jeep cars is not done yet. You may find it easier with a more basic PCS controller, however ofcourse it depends on what model you are installing the trans to.
@@ZeroTo60Tube well that was my next question which you basically answered, which was does it talk to the Jeep ecu and keep all the factory equipment happy, but I'm guessing not which is a shame because as you say In this video the standard TSU tunes are terrible in most models especially once you go away from either factory weight (touring setup) or bigger tyres
Thanks for the videos, this is great for people like me which might be considering to do this GBX swap. In my case I am investigating to perform this on my manual 2004 m47 e46, but I learned that DDE5 ECUs are not able to revmatch like DDE6 does. Regarding this, do you think this is very important for driving comfort, since it will be used as daily? If so, is Turbolamik able to do that by it self? Would need some kind of control over the ECU!? Cause I was considering using Canformance TCU since I don't need all those OP lamik features, but can go with Lamik if thats better, even only for a daily. Thanks in advance!! Keep the great work guys! Paulo
He’s not hitting torque limiters. Apparently being tuned by the best jeep guy in qld. However do you know of a tcu flash that lets him set tyre size and diff. The issue appears to be transmission doesn’t know road speed. So it shifts about 1000rpm to late in auto modes. He has to drive in manual everywhere. The guy tuning the box can lower shift points. But it relearns bad habits really quickly. But you can’t blame it if it doesn’t know road speed.
@Zero To 60 my controller lets me set tyre sizes.. then lets me adjust a parameter to then match actual speed so 5kph and 150kph are linear. I don't think this affects the factory TCM as the factory TCM only looks for and works with output shaft speeds for shifting, not wheel speeds.. the SoundGermanAutomotive controller outputs that calculated wheel speed data via CAN or as an analogue signal wire straight to the instrument cluster. BASICALLY I feel the tyre speed and size is his ECU calculation due to the fact the trans deals with output shaft speeds instead of wheel speeds. If old mates Jeep is having torque issues for shifting, it can be modified to handle the 1500nm and the trans won't throw codes. If I did it all again, I'd most definitely go with the Lamik now that they have their software bugs sorted.. at the time I couldn't not have a truck that had to wait for software updates to use as a daily driver. Not a biggy but I hadn't struggled with it for 12 months, it drove well straight away, I just struggled with how HPTuners worked the shift patterns and really wanted a manual shift to stay in manual shift without it dropping out. I'd 100% run the Lamik with my next Jeep box for sure.
@Zero To 60 shite sorry mate.. I only saw the first paragraph of your reply.. didn't see there was more sorry. I can 100% tune that out for him. The shift table is a progressive table with tps % and output.. wheel speed and size or diff ratio won't affect it BUT will affect what the initial lower shift speeds will need to be set to. Let me have a chat to him, plug in and see if he's happy with where it shifts for which aggression table it's in. Really need to run the HP scanner to make logs to note which shift pattern he's not happy with, depending on which torque converter slip pattern and which torque converter pressure table he's in.
I was very close to buy 8HP75 for RWD cars, but in the end price was almost the same as 8HP70 + 'enhancment' to handle well over 1200Nm. What was even cheaper at a time was 8HP70 for an Xdrive but I was missing your adaptor plate :P Exactly what market needs, and very pretty as well! 🤗
@Zero To 60 Likewise Andrew! Car is a dream to drive, took it for a spin on twisty bends over the weekend, and if was super fun! Towards end of this month I'm going back to PL and will mod it for single post turbi O2 ... can't wait as this is about the only remaining niggle I have, throws error on bank 2 when cold once a week, so can live with it for now 😃
Well the ones I have pushed do not feel anywhere near as solid as a 70. Not even comparable. Also guided by Lukasz Lamik himself as well. The 45 with torque reduction will take a hiding, but with out torque reduction it slips on the 4-5 change at pretty mediocre power levels.
@@ZeroTo60Tube That’s very interesting. We have lots of 550+ Nm N55 cars in Europe driving around with this gearbox. I am not doubting your unquestionable experience though. Just finding it interesting. The price difference seems huge though. You can have good 8hp70‘s anywhere from 500 € used in Germany.
@@maximilianlindner Again i think with the oem tcu torque reduction you really can pull get a lot from the transmissions. But running the 70 and then the 45 behind reasonable power n54s the different was huge. Keep in mind, im using the lamik on both. The lamik will make a trans shift a lot harder than a stock tcu.
One thing I’m curious about is when you eventually find the limits how do you plan on upgrading it to HP8 hp 95 as the BMW versions of this I think I just about impossible to find ? Maybe you might eventually find a supplier that can supply you with a brand-new gearbox
We have parts lined up that will take the BMW derived hp70/75 to a similar power handling to the 90/95. And when that breaks we have sime nice billet parts ready as well. However i really dont think many people will have an issue with the BMW hp70s
As Andrew says, 8HP70 can be 'enhanced' to match or even beat unmodified 8HP90. I was looking at 8HP90 for my ST 335i N54 car as I can push over 1200Nm, and in Poland you can buy these boxes relatively easily at a premium, but when I've seen one live I noticed how much bigger they are compared to 8HP70, especially bell housing and mating that meant a lot more work for my E92 chassis. I went with 'enhanced' 8HP70 and it handles all the power I've thrown at it so far :)
Amarok owners complaining that the 8HP70 cannot reverse up hills or get out of sand. Just revs in both cases? Also what is economy, 0-100 & power output change from the manual in his 79?
That what happens when you let Volkswagen write your trans tune hehe.... Those are not issues with the setup. As for the other questions we will get some more data shortly.
Hey, a bit of a question about the gear selection behaviour - I've currently got a jaguar xfr with a stock 6hp (not necessarily looking to swap this OEM, but maybe for something in the future) but one part I like about it's control behaviour is that whilst in regular drive mode, you can still manually change gears with the steering wheel paddles, and it reverts back to automatic mode after a while - can that behaviour be replicated with the turbolamik? (The 'sport' mode just has higher revs for automatic shift points, but going into 'manual' override keeps it in that selected gear. Holding the 'change up' paddle (right paddle) reverts it to automatic mode)
For the street cars we just have Penrite BMV at the moment. There are more expensive options, but lets see how the more redily available stuff goes first.
Can you talk about transfercase options for a BMW 8hp70? I"m looking to swap into a custom 4x4 project with a stand-alone m57n2 - modified with 550hp/1000ft/lbs tq.
I am aware of a few different transfer cases that will bolt on. Basically all the x5 ones. However controlling them is a different matter and whether the case output shaft will suit your application is another matter. I would start by googling all the options for the 6 cyl diesel x5s and seeing how well they will go in your chassis. Then investigate how they can be controlled.
@@ZeroTo60Tube They fit perfectly (nissan patrol) - Frontier here in the US. Getting the motor to run is very simple, and with the 8hp Lamik controller covers the trans. Trying to control the xdrive xfer case seems very problematic in a non-BMW. So I'll probably have to get creative with an adapter for a aftermarket xfer case. One thing you all should consider is making an atlas adapter for the BMW 8HP - no one makes one yet.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for reply after searching the 1uz seems to be out there in the USA but don’t know yet 1fz shares the same bell housing pattern thou I will be watching this space it make 105 a totally different beast to drive thanks ray
I’m 67 live in California and came across your channel the other day And I love it . Being 67 I’m not great at navigating these apps. How do I find your email?
Are the selector inputs the same on all gearboxes, eg. Bmw selector with Jaguar 8hp? Also, I noticed different starter locations for various models. Should this play a part in trans selection or do the kits take that out of the equation with the flex plate design?
I know you sorta awnsered this question. But the zf8hp45 i would of thought would of been strong enough for the smaller 4cyl diesels? My project will only have about 150hp and about 400nm of tourque at a maximum, Or would the extra weight of up to 3.5 ton really kill this gearbox? Its going in a long distance tourer.
I’d love to say it will be fine….. but I’m just not confident. The 45s even at low power levels just do not feel as solid as a 70. That said if you used the right 45 can always replace it with a 70 of the same physical size down the track.
As someone did ask Do you guys do or know of a adapter to patrol motors td or tb And the Turbo lamic tcu you guys have it for other boxes say like re4 re5 or other autos wiring kit etc (I'm looking at swapping my TD to auto for touring, after seeing macs ihave been holding off going the re4 because of these ) cheers and great videos thanks
Unfortunately i am not aware of any TB or TD adpaters out there yet. Also the lamik will only control the 8hp. Sorry not much help yet. Once we are a bit more under control we do want to get in to developing more adpaters. We also need to try and work out a way to do it cheaper.
@ZeroTo60Tube okay cool cheers Yeah will be a big market if you did get them cheaper also I would be keen to help with development if needed as my car sits in parking alot of the time
@@revhead757 thanks for the offer man! we will definitely share with everyone the plans for next adapters and how it unfolds for other makes and engines
@@ZeroTo60Tube a diy kit would be sick, something to get a box set up with the motor and transfer. And then fab your own everything else. Especially for those of us across the pond(s).
