HSE: The Alpha Timeline 

A lord is eternally bound to there domain, but I believe Caliborn was willing to accept this. He made his mark and gave us a good show, his role in the story was taken by Dirk(perhaps on Cal's behalf?).

congratulations, cal, you played yourself

So from what i understood now is that caliborn is in a loop one wich when he dies will restart for him until he becomes lord english and die Am i getting this right?

you probably dont care at all but does anyone know a tool to log back into an Instagram account? I was dumb lost my account password. I would appreciate any tricks you can offer me.

@Owen Walter Instablaster :)

I am under no illusions that I understand most of Homestuck yet :P I'm just providing the best insight I can, but its all a work in progress! I'm learning more stuff all the time :3

It never dies does it...

@@isthis303 somehow it has actually die now.

​@@elcalabozodelandroide2 nah

Do none players go to an afterlife?

Phesheya Bhembe A lot of the players shown in Homestuck get a special version of the afterlife thanks to Feferi, living as ghosts in the dream bubbles far from their original universe. I think it's implied with the sequence of events just before Dave goes back in time and becomes Davesprite that a doomed timeline blinks out of existence at some point after whatever decision made it a doomed timeline. Therefore, this would erase the normal ghosts of anyone in that timeline as well, since they stay in their own timelines instead of going to the dreambubbles like our human and troll players.

I asked about those who don't play. People like parents.

Aradia could control the ghosts of Vriska's victims, so probably. Or maybe those sort of ghosts are just, like, a sort of imprint left when a psychic troll dies. Who know?

Phesheya Bhembe They probably get an afterlife equivalent to what trolls get, wandering around as ghosts or something.

Once the next Homestuck Explained Video is done (on God Tier), I'll start doing videos specifically about the Beta session and move chronologically from there. The rough layout for the video series is here: (i.imgur.com/MUUmsQ1.png)

That layout is on par with the convoluted complexity of Homestuck's timeline, lol

Aidan Wagner true

piggylox I don't think it is even possible to understand homestuck all the way

It’s really hard to put all the time shenanigans into a linear plot, but that might make it more confusing. But anyway, I believe the first to happen would be Caliborn’s session, then the Alpha Trolls scratched their session, the Beta Trolls play Sgrub, the new universe is created which is our universe, and Bec Noir comes out of the new universe (as well as bringing a copy of Sburb that goes back in time for Aradia to find later), then- Ok there’s a lot of stuff that happens at the same time, and the time loops all connect but it’s hard to explain!!!!! Let me start over. Alpha trolls scratch their session while Caliborn and Calliope message the Alpha kids The Beta Trolls lose their session while the Beta Kids try to scratch their session They unite and go to the Alpha session while Caliborn kills Calliope and eventually becomes Lord English The Alphas meet up with the Betas and you know what happens with Collide and stuff. Then after they have lived in their new universe frog for multiple years they go to fight Caliborn and the Betas are sucked into the House Juju and then Caliborn, Arquius, and 1/2 Gamzee are sucked into Cal. Roxy vanishes Cal to the void and then Gamzee’s past self takes him out of the void and places him in Dave’s dream tower, closing the circle. Cal goes to the veil, and lands on Earth with Bro. The original Cal would be Dirk’s from the Alpha timeline, it is empty. He drops it in the ocean for Cal to find in the very far future. Cal holds onto it until being sucked into it. Bro has the demon filled Cal, and it is with Dave all through out his childhood. It eventually gets ripped up, fixed, and stolen by Jack. Sent back in time with Aradiabot and Sburb, Aradia finds both and gives Sburb to Sollux and Cal to Kanaya, and Cal eventually ends up with Gamzee, who recently became sober. The puppet manipulates Gamzee into turning evil like the future self held in the puppet. Gamzee keeps Cal until he gives it to Jack Noir who gains LE’s powers. Lord Jack dies, the cycle ends. That was only Cal’s timeline tho! There’s a lot more that is pretty easy to understand once you read the comic enough times.

i mean, he was already there

It's not so much the main goal as it's an inevitable fact of causality. The list of Protagonist goals by the end is. 1. Do stuff we know is going to create Lord English 2. Go blow him up (hopefully) 3. Once this mess of a time loop is complete, get out of it and create something of our own.

nerdorama009 and killing him allows him to exist.

bloodstone ore and his creation allowed him to be defeated. Homestuck is fun.

nerdorama009 time travel: this is why it's so hard

Yaldabaoth is the false god of the homestuck reality, but also the most powerful internally. Caliborn had to kill him to take his spot, as there can only be one Demiurge at any given time.

It's been my pleasure, and will continue to be! Hope you continue to enjoy :D

It came at the expense of plot structure though. The story became a big mess when it comes to its most basic and important aspects

Same, I thought I understood Knights and Pages and Sylphs etc. but NOPE

There's no indication Fedorafreak was made by the game, he seems to be just some dude. And probably not! Lord English's story is pretty specific. Sburb's game design doesn't intrinsically include him, he just co-opts it for his own purposes. There's a larger paradox space outside of his existential domain-- and the kids enter that wider space at the end of Act 7!

having not read the comic, you're my go-to for Sburb info, so thanks for replying! I've been playing with the idea of a Sburb RP/RPG with my friends, and was thinking about how "necessary" LE would be.

This is gonna be quite the journey. I'd skip to the end if I could, but between Roleplay, my fairly unique view of, and yeah--actually liking the ending--my reading of Homestuck is different enough that its worth explaining how I get there. No rush. Homestuck isn't going anywhere soon :3

insert joke about how w018 isn't a real year

@@Pablo360able i'd rather have the year w018 than this

The Benevolent Archive Personally, I regard it as really good worldbuilding. It's not that odd for RPGs to mix these kinds of ideas into their fantasy settings, and Homestuck references RPG tropes as much as anything else--which I'm sure we'll be talking about sooner or later. So like. This feels about as inherently occult as final fantasy or kingdom hearts to me, I guess. I don't begrudge anyone what they believe, but that's not really where I'm coming from with this series. Just wanna be clear about that for my own sake :p thanks for the comment!

I'd compare it to the RPG Xenogears (also an explicitly Gnostic Hero's Journey). There was at least one semi-famous-for-five-minutes internet personality who took the religious imagery therein as actual religious scripture, but the only reason anyone noticed is he ran the fanwiki and kind of outed himself in the midst of also being a weirdo about Silent Hill 4. The Internet, everybody. Another point of comparison might be Neon Genesis Evangelion, which mixes Gnostic, Kabbalistic, mainline Christian, Freudian, and Jungian imagery and ideas in a similarly hard-to-parse way as Homestuck does. Although that fandom is old enough that most of the weirdos have moved on, and as far as I can tell even when it was current they were mostly just sexually overinterested in the emotionally damaged 14 year olds.

is that a reference, to the baby is you :3

Ezra of course

All the way from london? DAAAMNNN

*THATS WHAT SHE SAID*

@@__-wc5zn That's why she got dumped

Thanks for the message! You could well be right--I was a little worried about this video to begin with because the Alpha Timeline is so expansive as a concept, but also so abstract and kinda hard to present visually. Hopefully, it won't be so bad as to turn non-fans off on its own, though--having this explained here should hopefully make it way easier to revisit the subject later on.

KitKatPotato Which one?

Gote the Capricunt The beginning half of Hexane. I finally got to the more interesting part and all the inaccuracies went past my head. The story really improved the more you read, so honestly the little inaccuracies don’t really bug me anymore. The only real big stuff that was wrong was the whole speaking to denizens thing and how the time player is yellow and not red.

Yeah.

Gote the Capricunt I gotta day I love the fan comics people make! Everyone is so creative. How to know if your comic/game/media is great: It breaks the souls of your fans.

I'm having a baby and the baby is you

Hishi Lohac hello mother

All the way from london? DAAAMNNN

Possible, but it is the one and only power that can alter the alpha timeline.

actually if i am mistaken that was because of Aranea. she 'healed' the alpha timeline to stick with her version of it, which ended catastrophically and would have created an immense paradox. to prevent this, john managed to gain retcon powers, power beyond the limits of the narrative. something even lord english was helpless against. its why he killed Hussie, the narrator, to prevent him from writing his defeat. john i think managed ot change the timeline to one that lead to lord english's demise in the end.

I'm pretty sure that actually Aranea's timeline healing was the the thing that caused John to gain his retcon powers \learn to use them through his choice, allowing him to rewrite the timeline. In this sense, Aranea won!

7:36 *you quit that.* Anyways homestucks use of parallels has always been one of my favorite things about the comic so I'm losing my mind rn thinking there's an actual meta reason why it fits so well into the narrative jsjdhdjhgf

Coffe Owl Kokichi?

To continue, Homestuck is a work that is largely derivative, both of itself and other works, but is greater than the sum of its parts. It cannot be reduced to a Shakespearean or biblical story. It cannot be explained in any other terms but itself because it is so unique. The traditional narrative structure is two dimensional. It can be plotted on a graph of x=time and y=narrative importance, and the narrative is a function of the two variables. Homestuck is a 3D narrative, requiring a z axis of simultaneity, and there is no relationship between any of the three variables.

The alpha timeline split into two timelines because of John's timeline defying retcon powers, that are not originally supposed to exist in the alpha timeline. Also, the exact way this power works does not make sense.

It's the same timeline

Breaking it down in shortform: ->The Alpha Trolls' session was pre-infected with a glitch that serves as LE's calling card. The glitch means the trolls have to scratch, since one of its consequences is that the ectobiology was performed by Karkat, post-scratch. Without LE's influence, neither the Alpha Trolls nor their Beta counterparts would exist. The Alpha Trolls' session is also indirectly influenced by LE through at least two agents--Kurloz and Damara, both of who basically worship him. ->That leads to the creation of Alternia, which LE has direct control over and manipulates through Scratch and the Felt (plus a bunch of other underlings.) ->Alternia, of course, leads to the creation of Earth, which leads to the creation of Alpha Earth, which leads to the creation of LE himself. LE influences Beta Earth primarily through Lil Cal and the Batterwitch. Also through Gamzee, who manipulates the Beta kids early in their lives and basically causes their session to go haywire in the first place. It's not so much that LE directly created every individual universe in the story, but more that without his influence manipulating the events of the story, none of those universes would exist. Calliope, Caliborn, Vriska and John are all characters who explicitly reference this fact, and three of them (including Caliborn himself!) hold Caliborn personally responsible.

It is because game over timeline is not the alpha. It is a doomed timeline. It was doomed from the moment the stardust appeared, everyone's memories were erased, and Aranea entered the session. There was the old alpha, in which universe c is created, controlled by the Condesce by (at least partially) LE's plan. We just never seen it, because in the doomed timeline, happened the thing that was not part of the alpha, but could change it - John mastered the retcon power.

It is the same thing. The classpect is what you are, you are born with it, and everything causes everything in any point of time, especially if you will become a really powerful Lord of Time.

That is what Vriska thought...

No, it's a locked timeline

Same dude. Same.

I haven't, but it's on my list now! You raise a good point, also--figuring out whether AURYN's principle applies to "regular" characters is part of what I'm excited to see in Hiveswap. Thanks for the comment! :)

optimistic Duelist yes, that is a big thing I have been wondering about. I was surprised to see that non players would be getting aspects at all. The question is though if these are basically just horoscopes for them or if they can actually manifest powers. Are aspects just the domain of the God's or are they a sort of twelve sided Force of the Homestuck universe? Or do Joey and her brother have the ability to acess the powers because of their close relation to the actual paradox clones. And if that is true then the possibility of the kids in Universe C having demigod children is thrown wide open.

Wouldn't have found Homestuck if not for Earthbound, probably! Love those games.

We haven't had just or heroic deaths yet.

rereading it is interesting tho

We're the beginning and the end, you cannot outrun whats already here

Because of Doc Scratch's influence on the players of the troll session, the Beta session was created. He willed certain things to go certain ways, which lead to the ultimate failure of the troll's session. Not to mention the presence of the Cal doll in the Beta session, which was a full vessel for Lord English's soul. Because of Lord English's essence in the doll, it is implied that Dave's brother became obsessed with making Dave "stronger", that in turn created Dave's views on heroism and set up his quest, which so on allowed Dave to create the only weapon that could kill LE, Caldefwch. It also caused Dave to save Rose despite his impending demise and go with her to blow up the Green Sun, which in fact created it instead. The Green Sun powers all first guardians AND Lord English, so he indirectly had great influence on all of the universes, which falls into his role as the Lord of Time. Time HAS to allow him to be reborn as he commands it, no matter how many universes it takes.

LE had all the influence on the Beta Session

Nyan Knight how to basic is an idea that lives through all of us now

welcome to Homestuck, enjoy your stay

There's barely any of those Hiveswap Lore videos, so I don't know what you're talking about.

But like, his hiveswap lore videos weren't responsible for the deaths and devastations of thousands of people

Mr Sam you are comparing a event in human history where tons of people died to a RU-vid video? That’s idiotic