Huge Improvement! The Driver Assistance In The AMG EQS Takes The Top Spot In Our Hogback Trials 

There’s an edit error around the 12 minute mark where the clip of the ADAS alert isn’t inserted properly - it’s shown several minutes later in the next sequence but I placed it wrong when I was editing! Please excuse the mistake and my apologies. We’ll leave it as an Out of Spec goof

Compared to the other test with Mercedes, this car has the latest stereo camera vision system/software stack.

Great video so far. Note, there doesn’t appear to be a clip at the 12:00 mark for an unresponsive driver. Honestly wondering whether I am missing a joke. :) Update: I see it later, the unused cue just makes the placement awkward.

Mercedes just announced that automatically induced lane changes are coming to their US Lineup this year btw

Thank you for the system review. Looking forward to more content from you, Max.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and reviews! Very credible!

Congrats on the new channel!

At the 32:00 ish mark. I had a lane change like that in my Model X and it suddenly tried to follow that exit rather than the interstate. Had to quickly take over. Scary when you are not prepared for it.

Thanks Kyle, a few people might ask, " I love Ev's, but what makes This EV Car Stand out over other EV's ? " I feel you answered a Lot of those Questions, if they watch the whole Video. 👌

This is my favorite series on your channel, great content!

"I'll just floor it anyway" 🤣

After 7 months of ownership, I got my first OTA update with my EQS 450+ yesterday. When I clicked on the update message in my MercedesMe app it said that the update was to the communications module to facilitate future updates. Only one update in a year does not put it in a Tesla class but is better than the ID4. The adaptive cruise control with lane change is fantastic and I feel like I have a chauffeur on road trips.

One of my new favorite channels 😊 Also, will you please cover Polestar??

Love this German Car❤

Thanks!

On OpenPilot I'd highly recommend using an EV6. That is the car CommaAi has been using for press demos and will show OP at its best.

Thank you for these Hogback ADAS tests! Currently choosing between a new Model X, EQS SUV, and a 2024 X7 with highway assistant. Which vehicle has the best ADAS system? Thanks!

you could try using a polarizer tuned to show the reflection of the hud, that should work, best results I've seen are at night, not sure what they used to film though

Yes! This is one of the reasons I love my EQS. Driver assistance just works in most roads and situations without being twitchy (like a Tesla) or finicky (like mapped roads, Rivian, Super Cruise). The GLS isn't representative of the performance of the EQS at all. So happy to see it take the top spot. 👏 As for the few takeovers, did you have following distance set to the maximum? When you steer during a lane change, the car does disengage steering assist (but keeps DISTronic as indicated by the gray wheel and green box around the lead car). I think at least a couple of your points deductions were because you were using it like a Tesla instead of recognizing that it has different characteristics. Some answers to questions asked 1. It is camera based for speed limit and traffic sign recognition. 2. You can tell which lane line(s) it's following, because the indicator on the cluster/HUD indicate green for either or both sides based on the detected markings at the time. 3. You don't need to wait and initiate a lane change only when free. Even if there are vehicles in your blind spot and it beeps, it'll wait and execute the lane change when it feels it's safe. 4. The incident with the "sleeping" couple in the Ford(?) - EQS does keep distance from vehicles width-wise too. It probably didn't think it was necessary at the time, but it does react either by slowing down or moving to the side of the lane. 5. LiDAR for newer EQ vehicles will be housed behind the rearview mirror, so yes it's sort of EX90 style. LiDAR at grille level isn't a good use of the sensor. This is why Google's autonomous cars have it above the doors on every corner.

Kyle, please make an OutofSpecCharging channel showing the best charging stations (amenities, canopy, views, location, etc) that we should prioritize going to! ...or ones we should avoid.

Kyle, BlueCruise 1.2 does automatic lane changes now (tap to request). It's on 2023 vehicles. You should run BlueCruise 1.2 through the Hogback again and see if progress has been made.

Great Review. From a safety consideration, would you buy this car in the 450 configuration that you preferred or wait for the Volvo EX90 (with roof mounted LIDAR) that you just reviewed.

Missed this!!!!! The Hogback challenge is a literal service to the country

Volvo radar cruise control shows you the speed of the vehicle in front of you which is very helpful

Hi, how does this MB system compare with the newest BMW Highway Assistant hands free system? Thanks!

Please, please, please - track down a car equiped with OpenPilot. Especially now that the newest release can integrate with navigation and take ramps autonomously. From subjective experience, it's amazing, but I'm very interested to see how it does in an objective test!

Excited to see openpilot on the hogback

I have an eqs suv it does allow you to override speed limit greater than 5mph. You just press the button on the steering wheel

Odd that it doesn’t try to wake you up. My Volkswagen taps the brakes and yanks from the seat belts. It’s quite aggressive about it. And when it stops it should phone to some service.

Quick update about the blue cruise. They have blue cruise 1.2 in 2023 models which does auto lane change.

For open pilot use a sonata. It is the best with steering wheel torque. The limiting factor with openpilot is the car it’s self and not the software.

The GLS is a generation older NTG version so it kinda makes sense. They probably have enough hardware differences that DAPP performance in the newer system is better even though the feature list is the same. It also probably means that as a newer generation of NTG is released, this particular version will eventually be obsolete and the only way to upgrade would be to trade in and buy a new car.

It's usually Jordan in these videos. Where is he post Tesla crash ?

The Tesla autopilot stack is 4 years old. I’m anxious to get the FSD 11 with fully updated autopilot stack integration.

Cars need to “talk to each other.” It’s inevitable. It needs to happen yesterday. Like seatbelts, it needs to be regulated into the industry.

When you were following that car carrier, the display that shows traffic in the lower left corner of the video showed the car carrier as a car, not a truck.

Where did Jordan go? Love the video! Just haven’t seen him since the model s accident

There is a specification how a adas should act by the unece. Like a line change there is a defined time and the system should always behave the same. So the driver gets a predictable behavor. If you really want to test the adas systems test it with the uncec specs. Because that will be the global benchmark!

The system that the gls uses is different from the eqs. All the eq cars use a newer system. (Wider field of view in the cameras, etc) I believe after the new e class redesign and gla glb cla and a class facelift come out, they should all be using a similar system (basically the eqs system)

Been wanting to ask, what about Jor.... Happy weekend

New pricing distances the Teslas even more from this car.

So its interesting of the caveats of the level 3 system you did not demote points for. For instance the you took over for the road obstruction. but in the Guidance for level 3 statest" Level 3 vehicles have “environmental detection” capabilities and can make informed decisions for themselves, such as accelerating past a slow-moving vehicle. But―they still require human override. The driver must remain alert and ready to take control if the system is unable to execute the task."

When will you run the Lucid with Dream Drive on the Hogback loop?

We need one of these for the new 23 ID4.

The Mercedes Me app lets you know when your car receives and update with a description of what is contained in the update.

Kyle, thanks for excellent testing. I have both EQS580 and Tesla S. MB includes lane changing, but Tesla forces you to buy expensive FSD.

Really love the next gen look of the AMG, but agree, get the 450 or 580 EQS for great range and enough horsepower

Front end looks like a honda civic

Are you doing a Hogback Trial of the Nisan leaf pro pilot?

Hey Kyle, I have a new Lucid Touring with the lane centering, but no lane changing. I tested here in Illinois where the roads are the easiest in the world and it did... (hold your breath) just fine. The eye tracking is very annoying, though because you can't even look in the next lane. Anyhow, I would love to do some testing with you if you are interested. Please let me know how to contact you.

Cars that drive themselves scare me, I fear the day I'm sharing a roadway with them.

You kept saying that you wished that the car would allow you to go 5 mph over the speed limits. There's a very good reason why that's restricted: Many authorities around Europe have a 'zero tolerance' policy regarding speeding drivers. If they can prove that you are travelling even slightly above speed limits, then you will be fined and have penalty points added to your license. For example, I know several U.K. drivers who were penalised for travelling at 32 mph in 30 mph zones, a few years ago.

The problems with self drive vehicles is more the road marking and inconsistancies in the road than the cars. This car seems to compensate very well.

I love the looks, y'all are wei... have different tastes! :D

Please do open pilot!

Hogback is back!

Building your own charging network makes perfect sense. You can create a cool touchpoint with the brand that you fully control in terms of experience. And that touchpoint will be also used by competitors’ customers. Tesla has great tech and scale but the experience of visiting a supercharger is otherwise meh. Mercedes can easily one-up the experience by offering toilets coffee or even manning some stations. Scale/$$$ remains an issue tho.

That car doesn’t have the Level 3 steering wheel, so it won’t have any sensor(lidar) for Level 3.

I'm worried we'll be disappointed by Tesla 11.x. The current highway stack has been around so long, 11 is going to have a lot of catching up to do. We'll see. Excited to hear Comma AI/openpilot test is coming!

Cool car, but I know I'm not alone in saying I will never be able to afford a Mercedes ( or a Rivian, Hummer, or Volvo for that matter). A while back you mentioned showing us some more affordable EV's. If we want the masses to adopt electric cars, we need more affordable options.

How can they score a car like this when the only constant input is the route? Aren't traffic conditions and weather conditions can be way different between all cars? Maybe run the cars 10 times and the same route and come out with a conclusion.

I love this car’s looks

I know this is late but I have a EQS AMG and I get close to 300 miles on a full charge and never below 2.6, 1.9 there had to be something wrong with the car. Also I have the 22" wheels but I love your video.

The transition to EV's has several inflection points, one of them being the ability to offer a number of vehicles in the realm of "average cost." We've seen plenty of $100K+ EV's that are beyond the reach of most Americans and will sell in comparatively low volumes, at best. If the subject is driver assistance programs, I would much rather see the $2200 Super Cruise option on a Bolt, for example, and use that as a standard of comparison.

Try to get a Comma AI car to compare :)

Is this vehicle hands free or not? Looks like you are holding the steering wheel? I think you should move the camera forward so we can see the steering wheel when doing these tests.

Yes no one drives the speed limit. BUT at level 3 merc will have to take responsibility for the accident. So I get your rating system. But there is a reason why they won't allow you to go over the speed limit.

Haven’t seen Jordan in a while.

My $35k Bolt EUV has heated rear seats 🤷‍♂️

Hi Kyle. I need your opinion. I've had a reservation for an ID.4 S RWD locked in since SEPT.,but no factory movement. Tesla lowered their model 3 RWD price which is lower than the VW. New Jersey has a $4000 rebate under $45K, so I have to make a move within hours. Tesla says delivery in February, VW has not sent me an update since Sept. Which one to pick? Please let me know your opinion. Thanks!

Mercedes is the best Car

I have been doing some testing on autopilot over the past little while with how repeatable it is on the same stretch of road and have come to some very interesting results. I am curious what the Mercedes you tested would look like, especially between the two you have been talking about. I posted a very brief video with a comparison and method of comparison on my channel recently.

lol about Tesla dropping radar in favor of cameras. Radar can see multiple cars in front of each other where a camera cannot. They can’t figure it out and toss it in the canned it’s too expensive to implement which would make the car more expensive pile.

Great video Kyle. Could you make your comments on Tesla price reductions - will it be a general price reduction for EV cars for the market. Let us know 👌👍

Would love to see this test done in a Tesla once FSD V11 is in wide release. Thanks!

Mercedes-Benz said it was teaming up with Google .. more competition in software & super computing features. Honestly, found Google hopelessly out in the Volvo & polestar 2.. they are just not geared deep into the needs of an EV as yet. It’s not only environmental information, but better integration with the cars system like battery, predictions. Looking to Apple for better competition. And in another amusing development they are getting into revenue share with Nvidia for high power semiconductors. This needs to be developed into a video. Cheers

there is no way the -22 and this car are using the same firmware or same version of firmware at least

Wide lanes with Tesla's on highways are SO BAD. Talking on ramps and off ramps. FSD (non-highway right now) is so much better at "reading" the space and being more natural, but classic AP on highways (hasn't changed much in a few years) is so hokey when driving past those spots. Hope they get FSD stack on highways soon.

Speed limit offset should be much more points than the subtracted 2 points

Does Jordan not work for Out of Spec anymore?

Drive Pilot and got Level 3 Driving in Europe up to 130 km/h 80mph thats the thing you porbably ment with the Lidar sensors nice Video

Are you trying to compete with Simon from mega projects for the most RU-vid channels?

Where's Jordan?

The visual representation showing the lanes and the cars on the screen always shows 2 lanes no matter how many lanes which is confusing.

I'm watching right lower screen . Camera view " on vehicles display behind driver should be smaller, try using a better camera on that display. View from the back " u guys talking should be smaller. IMO. 🇰🇪👍

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Is Jordan still a part of the crew or did Max fill that spot.

The warning test likely needs some tweaking as I suspect the warning delay might depend on the “difficulty” of driving (busy road, turns, etc.) and/or any attention detection mechanism

12:00 you forgot to include the clip here

Y’all forgot the clip.

Your video clip did not launch

I really think all of the driver assist features should try to keep driving safely, and never stop in the road. And always be on, too, but be able to be overpowered easily by the driver. It would just be a lot safer than all the different ways they just give up, or be off when the driver thinks it's on.

15:53 it thinks that is a huge truck?

I dont beleive hyundais system is that bad for the cost. Hyundai has its driver assist system on vehicles priced in the low 20k range, I have not driven another car under 30k with a system even close to hyundais. Not a hyundai fan, just being objective, my wifes 21 sonata is very good at managing central FL traffic, world's ahead of honda or Toyota IMO.

This may seem like a petty complaint but the fact the eqs doesn't have a frunk is a non starter for me. Also doesn't seem worth it for the money their asking.

Oh gawd my eyes, is that a fake grill?

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12:02 I think you forgot to edit the clip in 😂

Get the S. It got a massive price drop.

Boys… It’s really not a big deal to drive a assistant system on a sunny day at the highway…