Hyperion Crew Mod Unit Tier List! 

The Hyperion Crew Mod is now available for everyone to play for free! You can download it here: discord.gg/UCDyZyr6gg

Honourable mention to the S-tier laser tank

I did a run through the mod going for spectres as soon as possible, and just 10 of them could tear through entire maps by themselves on hard. Course this was before the change that only lets you have 2 of either spectres or ghosts at a time so you can't do that anymore.

Grant's undervaluing the most important aspect of mercenaries: they're disposable.

Grant, you continue to prove that the custom campaign community deserves love, and requires feedback in order to grow. I hope that you stay healthy, safe and reasonably rich too, because your input in this tiny, but tremendously entertaining area of SC:2 is an international treasure.

I totally disagree putting the reaper in d tier. Its the best in something like the other S and A tier units, and that something is losing crew the fastest way possible

I know I'm late, but I think the Hammer Securities having less range is a blessing in disguise. Since they have less range than normal Marauders, they'll be soaking more shots for the normal marauders behind them, and it's still at 6 range, which means Medics aren't at risk. Considering that Mercenaries aren't crew, this works out perfectly, and I think they should be on A tie- ...High B tier. The double supply cost still hurts.

Firebats have gotten buffed a fair bit (50 more hp, short attack windup) since you played it, and Ghost/Spectres got nerfed and limited to only 2 max.

Grant the laser tank, proto maurader, proto marines, amd dark templat count too. All S tier though. Those marines and marauder make for a beastly bunker for every mission.

What about the Tauren Space Marine? I wanted to go for specters after choosing ghosts in my initial play through and cheated my way through the replay of Zero Hour and got the Tauren Space Marine from the top of the map. He’s stuck with me through every mission as “crew” - and at this point, I’m too scared to use him in anything other than a bunker so he doesn’t die. Thanks @orcawarrior2 for including the persistent Tauren that probably very few people will see. Love the attention to little details that your mods always have :)

I still believe that the main weakness the Firebat has, is its range. It just doesn't hit enemies far enough away to ever be optimal to use.

Viking had a massively under-utilised ability which was the mech damage. Being that it only applied to one mission and that’s only if you chose to save the colony. B tier

The reaper definitely, totally deserves to be S Tier and is the best unit in the whole game... as long as you're Byun

Nerfing Ghosts and Specter's to 2 is understandable but really bad. What i can offer is this: having only 1 ghost to max level then having 2 more ghosts to 2 levels below. And 1 more 2 lvls below (total of 4 right now) then 2 more 2 lvls below (like 1 lvl10, 2 lvl8, 1 lvl6, 2 lvl4 and thats it.) Also Missile turrets that are in range of Sensor Towers shouldn't require a crew to oparate but having a crew in should allow missile turrets to have smaller missile attack from upgrade.

Waiting for grant to do a playthrough with only reapers now.

Hey what a great crewlist the rankings are perfect

Just want to point out here that bunkers no longer have the +1 range themselves. That range upgrade is what the marines are using. So in bunkers, marines are exactly the same as in the base game, while reapers have less range (they used to get +1 themselves and +1 from the bunker) and the marauder has one more than normal (+2 themselves). Marines just carry their range upgrade outside now, and it makes them much stronger early-game as part of a bioball with medic/marauder. Unupgraded reapers actually have higher hp than upgraded marines. I was flabbergasted when I saw that. They can take absorb 2 hits from a spine crawler without dying, and their extra structure damage means that a crew of just 20 reapers can rush the crawler and take it out in one shot, then heal up using their combat drugs. And their rapid attacks just melt through infested, zerglings, hydralisks and marines, which are the main enemies in the missions where they're normally very good. I think they might actually make a great screen for a diamondback/goliath composition, though I have yet to actually try it. Point is, you never gave the reaper a chance to show you what it can do. You were too scared of them. Don't forget, you can afford to lose a few infantry giving them a chance. Vikings and Wraiths have the same hp and armor. Exactly the same. What really makes the difference is not survivability but damage. Wraiths are fighting the whole enemy while vikings melt half of it before it gets to them. Wraiths are faster with shorter range and no aoe, but can cloak. So if you put the two units together, wraiths rush ahead and take target priority over the viking. Cloak keeps them safe outside of detection range, and the dodge upgrade makes cloak useful even inside of detection. What really kills the Wraith IMO is that it takes 2 crew while the viking only uses 1. I've used the wraith to provide anti-ground support to an air force of vikings and anti-air support to landed vikings, and they're fine either way. You just need a little more control than a-moving straight from your base into the enemy. Spooks got so heavily buffed in this mod that they took huge nerfs after you played. 2 spectres and 3 ghosts is all you're allowed now, and you're probably sacrificing 20 crew to get them. Because we found exactly what you were saying, that you could rush the spooks and then solo whole missions with either one. Orca wanted people to enjoy the rest of the mod too. I want to do a run that makes more use of the less used units, but I've been too busy to get to it yet. One thing I have noted thus far is that marine/medic/marauder work so well together because they have the same speed, and siege tanks match that speed perfectly. Goliaths are slightly faster, so they're always forcing their way to the front, and diamondbacks even without speed upgrades are slightly faster than that, so diamondbacks will always be in front tanking for the goliath. But the siege tanks only got one upgrade. When all you need from them is base defense, the stationary upgrade takes an S tier unit and dials it up to 11. But the mobile upgrade is actually a downgrade because it completely negates the slow push and costs extra gas to do it.

Awesome! I am so happy you made this tier list :)

I only wish for more robot units like warbots. Just in case you lose a lot of crew, but dependencies like Grant said.

I think Grant should split B into B and C, then bump the units currently in C down to D and the units in D down to F. Too many units in B.

just wanted to say that i believe you lost 3-4 thors on the campaign and got them back with the inmortality protocol. So you did use it :D

Aww yeah!!! I'm loving these tier lists

Wraiths seems pretty solid considering you get 3 free suits each mission. That can help you for early defence and getting a expansion, then you can replace the suits for vikings or banshees once you get going. Definetely C tier

Loved this mod so much kind of wish you could play it with real scale to see how insane the Campaign can get.

my thought for making the Raven better is if it being a true AI let it move out on its own and can give a large signal area for other drones. You would have to make up for it by making them way more expensive or only being able to have one at a time but making it level up and carry through like ghosts.

the wraith actually gets +50% anti ground dps with the burst upgrade, which isnt a lot of damage increase but hey, its better than none

I like how the C tier became the Computer controlled tier

Gigachad move to make the firebat worse, love it.

It is great to watch a passionate gamer use a tier list format to structure an in-depth discussion about interesting topics.

Of course, depending on the version you're playing the range bonus of the bunker was swapped for a 20% damage increase (so 1 damage because marines) instead of 1 range, so you've gotta pay for the individual upgrades to get back to where you were at with the base WoL bunkers, except you've got a bit more damage.

It's wild how hard he turned on the Firebats and Hellions. At the start of the mod he was like "oh yeah! these have upgrades them make them actually useful!" Then he didn't talk about them for the rest of the playthrough, and now he says they suck. It almost feels unfair.

Honestly, eventually I'd love to see some kind of ultimate remastered campaign combining all the best ideas from the different mods. Like rebalancing, improved AI, leveling ghosts, etc.

I think the firebat needs a range upgrade and perhaps another durability upgrade. If you give the firebat the same range as the roach it would probably be worth building in some situations

I wish the crew were a resource in this mod rather than having tons of vulnerable little men. I love the idea of having to preserve your units but the extra challenge of managing all the little dudes would exclude me from playing above normal difficult which just isn't worth it (at my skill level I would just get overwhelmed on the harder missions). You still leave in the ability for dudes to jump suits, just not start with 50 crew in the base and have the units cost crew to build instead of have to load them. I appreciate all the work that went to making it work, it is impressive and I didn't enjoy watching the play though.

you forgot prototypes like laser tank and plasma marauder

Once I finish my mono Specter playthrough I want to try this mod again with minimum crew and see what that's like. (kill off all crew you didn't just gain with each mission) I feel like this mod is at its best when you're hurting for crew.

21:12 yeah i'm that "someone", yeah they are bad interm of getting hit but for low defense place with litter to no anti ground unit, they can get still get in drop their bomb and get out wait for self heal.

I think the mercenaries deserve a general buff to balance only having half the potential upgrades, but tweaking firebat and raven is way more important. I think there should also be buffs given to the static defenses, something to make them less dangerous to your own crew and giving them more advantageous mineral dumps compared to spamming mines every mission.

for someone who want to rush ghost/spec, i highly recommend rush the sieg tank(they will help you defend while you busy upgrading ghost/spec. and for the mission to farm for exp, i recommend the haven's fall and the cutthroat mission cause the enemy constantly making more unit and there aren't a time limit or someone you need to baby sit like the odin. p/s: i play the ghost version and waste about an hour for 6 ghost so idk how fast for 6 spec to get up to lv10

The reaper does deserve S tear because all must fear the reaper man

I may have only played on hard, but when I played this I rushed for Specters and trained up nine of them as soon as possible. I then steamrolled through the rest of the game without losing a single unit because they are just so strong. I had cleared maps I had previously never cleared simply because the Specters can do whatever I need them to do. They can tank, they dish out huge amounts of damage, and they cloak. They can do everything I need them to do, especially when you get their upgrades. The only issue is trying to build up more supply as I start every mission heavily supply blocked

The moebius factor is a mission that reapers can be useful, so is supernova, if you dodge storms. Still a very heavy micro intensive unit and its not worth the risk for whatever value it brings. Clearly S+ tier

I liked every unit and upgrade, the problem of fast units, is the MAP, the campaign dont give you places to use it, firebat and hellions are good on 2 missions in the start. This mod would be even greater if there were Longer missions and bigger maps.... hmmm How about a Mod that makes Every Map DOUBLE the Size?? is that possible? Think with me for a second, the escort mission would have more space to walk around the APC, the infestation hellion map would be very painfull to complete with slow units, bellshir would force you to make a strong army and walk around with it, Char missions wouldnt have the problem of squeezing your army, etc I Think this would be a Great mod, specially combined with the Crew Mod

Once again, Firebat is the lowest of the low. Maybe it's time to get a few tricks out of C&C book on flamethrower units? Otherwise it seems like damage and range buff to match a certain deployable turret made by Swan are in order. As well as lingering flames, flame status effect on enemies and firing in a cone.

I've beaten multiple missions on brutal using only 5 specters also with 10 specters with lvl 3 psionic lash you can kill kerrigan in 1 second

I ran the whole campaign just in 1 day, right before the spooky boys limitations to 2 Gotta say, 15 Spectres feel nice, amazing job with the campaign, the crew mechanic works fine, just it's too many of them at the beginning But nerfing Spectres/Ghosts? Why? It's single player game, I thought it'd be nice if people could choose not to play with those by themselves And yeah, the supply cap seems kinda odd

Grant, reapers are fucking awesome, against ground if you go mass reaper it works incredible. The regen is fantastic. I made the hellion mission with the reapers and broke my personal record, its a gas cannon but its a regenerating glass cannon. I couldn't use ghosts, i found them incredibly expensive and hard to justify, i don't really use spell casters, i don't have the speed, and the keybindings were bugged in spanish so it annoyed the fuck out of me, i rather control units in space and timing than skillshots. So the reaper for me was amazing. Not having to have medics for them its awesome.

Herc drops units upon death in vanilla, too

Now do hyperion crew mod D tier only.

Do you know if there will be a Leviathan crew and Spear of Adun crew mods ? Great works from the moders and thanks Grant for reigniting my love for this game :-D

I think wraiths are low c tier cause u get 3 of them at the start of the mission and the dodge and insta energy abilities plus the 3 vollies make it very microable but u have to be good something I am most definitely not but other than that they could really set you up in the early game of each mission in doing stuff like when you get the Odin going behind base 2 and 3 and weakening them. Also YOU FORGOR the laser tank the big boi marauder and the Uber marines.

I think you’re undervaluing the advantage of disposability mercs have. In a mech-based army, using the bio mercenaries means you have a (relatively cheap) meatshield of units that mean *nothing* when they die, while still being decently robust. That IMO takes devil dogs out of D tier (instead into C) and puts both war pigs and hammers into A.

I thinks the firebat should be C, its true that you need to buy his armor during the mission but then you can us the money normally use in the campagne for other things. Its also à good front frontline figther during the early game of the campagne. Just this help him a lot (but i dont feel his damage upgrade is needed and dont really need firebat for the late game)

Firebat should go into its own tier: F (for Firebat).

I rushed for gohsts and then went to havens fall... I ended up with 10 level 10 gohsts and they were able to solo the vast majority of missions from that point.

Out of curiosity, I know that in co-op as Swann you can pick up a deployed siege tank in a Hercules and drop it elsewhere still deployed. In this mod, can that be done to a siege tank with the upgrade that keeps them in siege mode all the time? and if not where can I beg Orca to add it in lol, herc/tank micro is too fun and seems like it would be a blast with this mod

Reapers are good on two missions break out and then the reaper mission

I feel like a nova crew mod would be super fun

Sorry Grant... But i remember you that you lose 2 Thor in "Welcome to the jungle"... Panicking obviously for the 8 crew inside XD

4:33 Waiting for Ghost only run with Nightmare difficulty.

I found warpigs to be the best mercenary and useful on most early missions. As marines are not as good do to there ability to die easily and enmass, you can instead use warpigs to kill all the air and losses don't hurt so badly. After I got the Goliath, I never used them again.

Could you give a tier list for the UED mod after the 1.4 update?

Reapers are S tier for sure... because "reap the whirlwind"!

grants like "firebats suck" bro of course they do, its a firebat

Also the experimental laser tank is S+. The experimental marauder at least S I would say, and I still don't know what the special marines do.

Is there a link to read up what upgrades there is for the Hyperion crew mod? Both armory and unit upgrade

Literally just give the firebats bonus damage to biological and stim

I played the mod in normal and yeah I can tell rush Tosh mission > unlock Specters > do every defensive missions to build and farm Specters > build 15 specters so always starting with 150 supplies + 50 of default units > crush every missions it's insane, I loved Medivac mission with army of specters and they're so strong against protoss Spoilers With their shild upgrade the Battleship mission is suck a joke with Specters, I really had a lot of fun

Hey Grant, zealots only didn't workout, but what about stalkers only? You get alongside zealots, so the start is possible.

Think you could do a real scale version of this?

4:35 And don't get me started on the spectre. 45+ damage/attack? Thank god Orca fixed these 2. I bet I can solo Kerrigan on all in with one.

The reaper will be S tier once i mod the mod to double their range and let them shoot air

no APC ? and more importantly, no laser tank?

Diamondback is D tier, because it is completely useless except for the mission it was introduced. Vulture is C tier, there is no point of mines for defence when there are siege tanks and bunkers. Ghost is B tier - because it requires a lot of valuable micro.

sorry for the necropositng, but I'm wondering if tankivacs are working here? because if yes, then the advanced siege mode tanks wold be cheating

No laser tank?

I just had a thought.. you can't move the sieged siege tank with a medivac right?

What about the prototype units? The marauder, tank, and thor?

WoL reaper only, when?

Did anyone else get the Tauren space marine?

UED: First Light tier list.

Where does tha lazer tank fit? S tier?

I want to know tier of the truck ;)

The list of B tier

I would have put medic in A since marauders and ghosts are so good, you can easily win Everything with marauder ghost medic

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You forgot the prototype laser tank... Is he Double S tier?

Why are Wraiths in D? They deserve to be in C with their three free Wraiths being a not bad option for early game, especially after the burst _Burst Lasers_ upgrade Addendum: Imagine if we had Mercenary Wraiths. Just imagine...

You really should have split B tier into B+ and B-

day 68 of asking grant to do reapers only

You forgot the truck How good is the truck

Rate mr laser tank

Grant you forgot the best s-tier unit, the scv, smh...

Golioth is B tier in the normal game :( Should be A now

Lol

Challenge for you. Hyperion mod mercs, and support units only.

Didn't rate the truck 0/10, terrible video.

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