@@moneyman9295 he went for those reasons... But he could have went to other teams with young talent.. He could have joined with Durant, a proven star... Kyrie and love werent proven playoff performers yet
@@nicobean5064 it is not about 20+ wins dude. It is about the team has gotten better for Lebron to come there and trade some of those players that have values to formulate his own team on the Cavs
@@mazzb305 He left it all on the floor in 2007, 2010, 2011, 2014,2017, 2018, 2021. Gun shy in 2007 Owner said he gave up in 2010 We all know what happened in 2011 Ridiculously blown out in 2014 Gentleman's sweep in 2017 with 2 other all stars Lied about broken hand in 2018- swept 2021- walking around the floor in defense while Phoenix was pouring it on L.A. Just responding to your comment.
When Lebron went to Miami he wasnt thinking about empowering players, he was only thinking about himself. So if we're going to say that he empowered players, we need to make it clear that it definitely wasnt his intention, and it was only a side effect of what he did.
Damn. I'm glad you had the inside track on what LeBron was thinking at that time. You got any other insight on what he's thinking after this contract is up??
@@TheyCallMeGator it's pretty obvious lebrons intention was to stack the deck so he couldnt be beaten. He really believed Miami would win not 3 not not 4 not 5....
@@mazzb305 these haters are mad bron didnt stay in cleveland and never win. they never make decisions for themselves in their own lifes so are mad at bron for finally doing it.
The top 4 players in 2010 were Kobe, Bron, Durant, & Wade. Not only did Lebron join another top 4 player but he then added a top 15 player in Bosh. Lebron subsequently stacked those Heat teams with veterans. Wade wasn’t just a superstar. He was a superstar that had already won a chip before. So Lebron had a championship teammate that could guide him on the journey to a chip. When Jordan won his first chip, he didn’t have a championship teammate to show him the ropes. Jordan had to figure it out on his own and people appreciate that journey. But Lebron took a shortcut by joining a championship superstar in Wade. The 2008 Celtics did not have 2 of the top 4 players in the NBA so they were not the same as the Heat. The 80s Celtics were a superteam but they had to deal with other superteams at the time. The Early 80s Sixers, 80s Lakers, & late 80s Pistons. When the Heat Big 3 was assembled in 2010, there was no other superteam out there that was constructed like them. No other team had 2 top 4 players and a top 15 player. That’s why the Heat Big 3 was viewed as overkill.
Also those teams in the past were formed through drafts and trades. Draft picks are never a sure thing and trades are fair game in the sense that you have to give to get. Lebron was the first guy to form a super team via free agency and hand pick teammates in their prime to win, then KD one upped him. imo both Lebron's and KD's legacies should be knocked for those weak moves
This is facts. And people bring up the Celtics as the reason he had to leave like they were some unbeatable team. Didn't Kobe beat them in the finals? Didn't Dwight beat them in the Eastern conference?!?! They weren't the Durant Warriors. LBJ didn't want to thug it out and chose to play with 2 of the top 5 picks of his own draft class and depleted 2 teams in the process.
@@smoothgent1011 No you're missing the point. The Lakers with Pau and Kobe were never a superteam. Lebron had to go form a superteam in order to beat his competition. Kobe and Dwight were able to dismantle the big 3 Celtics, so why couldn't Lebron? Isn't Lebron like the 2nd greatest player of all time behind Michael Jordan? He only wins by stacking the deck. And even so, he still finds a way to under perform. Losing 6 finals, what a shame.
Fisher Kober Ariza/Ron arrest Gasol Bynum Odom Phil Jackson as the coach The Lakers had 2 all stars but they had a great supporting cast..... Most all superteams are beatable because the lack of supporting cast or the three players does not match well.
And Lebron cracked because of the pressure and ran to create a Superteam and then did it again in Cleveland and tried to do it again in LA. Remember that he was recruiting Kahwi to come play with him and AD after Kahwi won the chip. Then tried to get Giannis last year. Lebron definitely made it cool to take the easy way out.
@@kjo2130 It wasn't a free agent collusion....the Celtics traded good young assets - at the time - for KG & Allen....Pierce & Rondo were drafted.... I don't begrudge the Heat for doing what they did - it was within the rules - but I DO give them stick for underachieving....2 chips was the floor for that team, especially going through a weak East.
“Super teams” back in the day were organized trades and picks, today is different they don’t want to compete at all Like dame, Bron starts this bs and ruined the league! Jordan never left after being beat down by pistons he stuck it out until his team got better an they got Phil. Sure some will say pistons and lakers got old, but it was Jordan’s turn.
@@sirjer73 clyde drexler also shoots worse from the 3 than westbrook, even though he played 3 yrs with a 22ft 3pt line, as athletic as he was no all defensive teams???
This is what I don’t understand. He played his 7 years and left in free agency. Isn’t that exactly how it works? What does Lebron have to be defended for? He didn’t do anything wrong.
@@NwoFresh no one was beating Dirk during that playoff run. It’s literally one of the most amazing feats in the history of the league. Show some respect.
They are different scenarios bro. 1 player said F a GM I'm the GM & formed his own squad, the other guy joined the best regular season team of all time who just so happen to beat OKC in the WCF.
@@ojoj5194 So is that what NBA fans do now? Just call people fanboy or casual just because they don't agree? You lame bruh, I like KD & Bron equally so there's nothing to fanboy.
The problem with Chis' logic is - *where do you draw the line* ? Once you open that can of worms by players stacking the deck, then you can't back track and say Miami superteam is OK but Warriors' superteam is not OK. Why is one OK and the other not OK? The other problem is that he tries to compare superteams in the 1980's to superteams today. But in the 1980's there were only 23 teams in the league. There are 30 teams in the league today, and most of them aren't very good. When players stack the deck in today's league they further dilute the talent pool of the average and mediocre teams because good players usually only leave franchises that are mediocre or average for better situations.
Because one was 3 all stars and one was 4 all stars secondly the Miami heat system still had to be built, warriors system was ready made for kd to fit in , no time spent to figure out or build anything, huge difference lol
@@thejonesbass wow one more all star. Excuses. When the Heat formed a lot of analyst had them breaking the Bulls record of most wins in the season. The only reason the Heat gets a pass is because they lost. So people thought they weren't that good. The warriors won and dominated like the Heat were supposed to
I certainly agree with your point the slight difference is basically the entire Warriors team was drafted. When KD sighed there they became pretty much unstoppable.
I'll say this if you pick your team (stack the deck as they say) as a player and you don't run the league your legacy is ruined because you can't have a stacked team and it underachieves. If you recruit multiple hall of famers or all stars and you don't dominate it's a failure. You have no excuse outside of injury as a reason you didn't win it all all the time. That's the risk of building a superteam you better be super.
@@thisiseliasm4645 name 5 and I’ll shut up! But MJ, Magic, Bird all had staked teams. Multiple hall of famers. Maybe came together different but the same result
i agree and can't forget that, he left wade and bosh after losing in 2014 finals and Pat Riley was doing everything he can to help lebron win titles unlike Dan Gilbert then lebron just ditched Riley and the heat organization to form his new big 3 which is pathetic and weak
Dan Gilbert was helping LeBron, he was giving LeBron the players, was firing/hiring coaches left and right and was going over the salary cap for this dude. It was LeBron who COULDN'T lead the team to win multiple championships. Dan Gilbert did his part, LeBron didn't. The team was winning 60 plus games in multiple seasons and had a coach of the year, maybe LeBron just wasn't the guy everyone said he was. And if Dan Gilbert gave LeBron no help and was a supposed "rascist" and "plantation owner", why did Lebron go back to play for the man in Cleveland in 2014? LeBron is full of it with his narratives, truth is he's a Scottie Pippen who can't win without a Jordan type player who can lead or close out games.....PERIOD!!! That's why the Lakers look like they do now, no closer or leader on the team to bail out LeBron. LeBron thought AD or Westbrook would bail him out this year but it's not working out, so he's getting EXPOSED. Don't be surprised if LeBron take his ball and run back to Cleveland since the team is playing well now, leaving the Lakers in shambles....SMH!!!!
the issue isnt that Lebron left. its that he joined up with a top 5 player, and another top 15-20 player. If he had went to a better run organization few would be angry at that.
But people are acting like that has never happened before not to mention there is no loyalty in the NBA and he was a free agent the only problem I have is that he shouldn't have made it into a television special
@@flyguy7825 were talking about a player (arguably considered a GOAT) in his prime choosing to join forces with his competitive peers in same conference . Lebron left and joined 2 other all stars which effectively weakened 2 teams. From a strategic point it was smart but from a legacy point it stood out as a weak move.
@@mellol1628 How is it weak went He gave all he could at that time to the Cavaliers and they still weren't getting over the hump and winning a championship what he did was acknowledge the fact that he can't do it by himself and decided to join a team that was serious about building a championship roster it's not like the dude won the championship every year he didn't even win at his first year with the heat this whole how he ruined the NBA would have some type of validity to it if LeBron won the championship every year which he didn't
@@flyguy7825 he quit on the Cavs ! He’s the one that underperformed in both series against the Celtics & left when adversity hit !!! Had he played how he was suppose to play he would’ve beat them
In all honesty lebron should have more rings with as many times as he's been to the finals his record shows he relied too much on other stars when he should have been the one taking the last shots
Name ONE Finals other than the Dalas series where LBJ wasn't the best player on his team -_-? You cannot say he relied too much on teammates when he was clearly the best player on his team. And you're talking about last shots, which last shots you talking about that cost him a Finals series?
How did lebron ruin basketball by going to Miami ? They wasn’t dominate like many people thought . Lebron lived up to his part but honestly after year 1 wade/bosh declined every year . He didn’t ruin basketball , if anything he changed every basketball player life after him with what he did .
I like how everyone forgot Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett got together to beat Lebron first. Then Lebron said, ok yall not going to get me any help. Well Pat Riley will.
@@Ninjersey1 they weren't washed up either. Dem boys were ballin. An let's not act like Dan Gilbert wasn't treating Lebron like a cash horse. Lebron was bring in tickets and business for the city of Cleveland and that's all that owner cared about. So if the owner and the Cleveland organization wasn't going to maximize Lebrons potential he needed to leave and work the system himself.
To beat bron ??? What did bron win before they put the older celtics together??? Answer this 2009 mvp 60 wins #1 seed loses to a 3rd seed Magic, 2010 mvp 60 wins #1 seed loses to the 4th seed celtics, 2011 creates a super team loses in the finals to the mavs as the favorite ! He was coming up short so he wanted what he thought was a sure thing when he joined Miami 💯
@@barronswilley2171 it wasn't a matter of what bron won at that time. In order to advance to the finals and win a chip. They would have had to go through Lebron FIRST. So this would have gave the C's the best shot at a title. Paul Pierce wasn't beating Bron by himself. This is probably why he hate Lebron so much.. he figure he'll I would probably have a couple of titles if it wasn't for him. I swear yall haters can act like Lebron was no big deal. He is the only player I can recall teams assembled to beat him.
Caller was 1000% right, and I remember when it started too. When Kyrie won all-star mvp. Bron was on the bench salivating, you could see it on his face. Same as when he went to check out lonzo ball in summer league, then all of a sudden kyrie wanted out. He knew bron was leaving the same way he left miami for him, and he didn't want to give bron the satisfaction. Obvious as the day is long, and I'm not even a Kyrie guy.
@@rayking2396 You're wrong. Kyrie asked for a trade after the draft. He did it because he learned that the Cavs were trying to trade him behind his back before the draft. There was a 4 team trade agreement between the Cavs, the Pacers, the Suns and the Nuggets. Kyrie was about to go to Phoenix and PG13 to the Cavs. The trade fell through at the last moment because the Pacers wanted more draft picks. That was the reason why the Cavs fired David Griffin.
Couldn’t agree more. He’s also the face of the league flopping like someone snipped him & complaining to change calls whenever he wants. The face of the nba should not be doing such pathetic antics. This dude is 6”9 250 all muscle flexing on the gram but he’s always on the floor 🤦🏻♂️
I gotta be honest I loved player movement when it first started. I liked seeing players take control of their careers and do what they wanted but it is so out of control now it has killed the whole culture of repping your team and city because each year it's just a new batch of mercenaries on the roster. The contract don't even mean anything anymore and forget buying gear with your favorite player on the back because the first time he gets in his feelings he will want off the team. It's just not that enjoyable to watch anymore. When trade rumors are at the top of every NBA conversation that tells you the state of the league.
Phil, you're wrong sir. I didn't run to hop on the best team on the playground. I just played the game. Secondly, we're not million dollar athletes neither. And that's the point Chris, LBJ and KD are on another level and they both took the damn easy way to not be Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Charles Barkley. They too the easy way out because it was expectations for them to win. They're both weak and their 6 Chips combined won't stand up against Jordan 6.
Please don't give me another "bad for the game" argument taken from these talking heads. No team or real fan of any basketball team is thinking about the game, every team in all sports try to get the best players available all the time, they want to win every game and never loose, what are you talking about. "You play to win the game". Let's let the other team have him so we can lose some games and make it fair. Nothing in life is fair.
He honored his contract & he made a team. KD joined the very team he couldn’t beat that was already made. He put the power in the players hand. They hate different that’s the thing. It’s no blueprint that you have to follow.
Broussard is wrong. The first caller was completely right. He knew kyrie was there and was a 20+ ppg scorer and he knew he could get Love who was a 25 and 12 player at the time
Yes, I strongly feel LeBron mess up the league too. What he did kind of makes the essence of Draft useless. The Drafting idea was to mainly balance things up and allow general competition.
Bron did the right thing to leave the Cavs, but really it’s what he actually did after leaving. He could’ve gone to any other team, but he decided to form a Big 3 super team in Miami with Wade and Bosh and all three of them were in their primes. Eventually that backfired because of KD took his blueprint and perfected it
@@comedianbradfowler can’t be on the top 5 if you’re looking for the easiest way for a chip and avoiding competition. That’s why some people including myself and some of his own teammates think he ruin the league
@@dimitries kd joined a 73-9 team that already won a ring a team that he was up 3-1 on and then joined them … that’s like lebron joining Boston in 2010 after the Celtic put him out .. he was going up against Ray KG Rondo and Pierce .. 4 legit all stars
Golden State built their team generically the drafted and developed players acquired free agents who were not under contract hence the term free. Every team in all sports want the best players they can get, they want to win every game, and win the championship every year. That is what you want, do you ever go into a game and say lets loose today so that it will be competitive? No that is the other team's job to be competitive. Let's not take Durant so that it will be a level playing field, you be good enough so that someone wants to come to your team.
@@kgar5String no he's clearly talking about adding KD was bad for the game! 73-9! Kd up 3-1 to gsw and choked, GSW up 3-1 to clv and choked!! 😂😂😂 Then they join up, if you don't think that's bad you don't know basketball, but if you think what LBJ did is bad! You definitely don't know basketball 🤣🤣
@@bishopbad373 Again, no such a thing as bad for the game when you have done nothing illegal and/or unethical, it's almost comical to think that any player and/or team is thinking I can't go to that team because they are too good, it would not be fair to the other teams. Every team always try to get the best player available the same for the player the best team available, talking heads just need something to talk about and fans are mad it is not their team.
@@bishopbad373 Please don't give me another "bad for the game" argument taken from these talking heads. No team or real fan of any basketball team is thinking about the game, every team in all sports try to get the best players available all the time, they want to win every game and never loose, what are you talking about. "You play to win the game". Let's let the other team have him so we can lose some games and make it fair. Nothing in life is fair.
Kareem demanded a trade from Milwaukee!!!!!!!! Cut it out. Kareem wasn't drafted by the Lakers!!!!!! Dennis Johnson wasn't drafted by the Celtics. 5 teams made it in the 80s!!!!!!! Facts!!!!
Funny how they mention Jordan and Giannis sticking with their team and won but doesn't mention Curry before Durant and he signed an extension with the team that drafted him but the beginning of the season they were saying if Curry wants to win he should go to another team.
Ray Allen played in Milwaukee and was traded then he jumped ship. Shaq sign his fist big deal it was a money move not to have easy wins and get to the finals. Jabar had won a Championship and got picked up by the Lakers who drafted all their top players. Lebron built his rosters in Miami and Cavs to get easy wins.
@@milfmuncher6962 LeBron didn't build the Heat team,Wade did cause he where the one that came up with the ideal for Bosh and LeBron to joint him to beat the big 3 Celtics players,Pierce,Allen and KG and they did that.But let's blame LeBron for everything.Shaq played on 7 teams chasing rings including the Cleveland's team with LeBron but at that time he were washed up but no one talk about that,not even Shaq.
Lol 😂 the caller was right Chris the puppet was in is feelings Lebron did see kyrie was a superstar and he left his best friend wade to join Kyrie I 💯 % agree with the caller
Lol right Lebron would've never came back to Cleveland if Kyrie wasn't there so he seen a good situation where all he had to do was add one more star and then he could compete for a chip
@@SW-sf5vw Yea only if the situation was good he just came off 2 chips with Miami and that formula of the big 3 worked over there even tho they underachieved so it make sense for him to bring that same formula to Cleveland not be in the same position he was in his first 7 years there
Michael Jordan has the best team in the league around. They were always the favorites. It's not like he carried scrubs to rings. Let's be objective now. And don't even get me started on those Golden State teams.
@@earlthepearl6414 Jordan helped bring that franchise up from the mud… big difference ! He was the main catalyst in that & everyone pitched in their contributions as well. Jordan helped create a dynasty the same way Duncan did for the Spurs.
@Beery bronsexuals forget that Miami was the pre season pick to win the champion all 4 years & only left with 2… & one of things rings came down to the most clutch shot ever by ray allen
@@earlthepearl6414 Here’s the problem, y’all look at the results but not the process. Jordan wasn’t gifted all star talent, he had to cultivate it out of his teammates. When we look at guys like Pippen, Armstrong or Grant, they came to Jordan as rookies 0 NBA experience, when we look at a Paxson, he was a bench player averaging 6ppg in SA. Just because Jordan got the best out of these guys it’s not like he was given an advantage. And the reason why his team was the favorite was because nobody was crazy enough to bet against him and he showed why, that’s what it means to be the best.
He didn't went back to CLE to win a chip with Dellavedova, these bronsexuals are utterly delusional. MIA was done and he saw an opportunity there to form another super team with Kyrie and K Love. Jumped teams again when the CLE boat started to sink. Fake Goat. 🐑🐑🐑
One of the biggest gripes I have with this show is how the always cut off the callers while the callers try to get their points across then say the callers aren’t trying to listen and this is their show. I love the show but I hate that.
Kobe won back to back and he didn’t have to leave to join no super team , once again he’s never brought up in conversations unless it’s about him winning with shaq , it’s ridiculous
That’s because the organization went and got him Pau Gasol and a very reliable Lamar Odom or did we just forget that they existed…??? Kobe fans 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@rayking2396 Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs before Kobe. Odom barely became 6MOY towards the end of his Lakers career. He only had 2-3 good seasons in L.A.
@@melvinhhcp3615 U can’t go talking about how much they won before and after. Bc what did KLove and Kyrie win before and after LeBron? What we’re their playoff records? I’ll give U a hint (KLove never made the playoffs).
I agree with Chris. If you don't want players taking that much control, fine. Owners and GM's should do a better job putting teams together. Why shouldn't players take matters into their own hands when front offices prove that they don't know what they're doing?
Because you get no props puttin together a all star team and beating scrub teams. Like how do you even have a sense of accomplishment when you’re not even beating the best player of your generation because they’re on your team as your teammate
@@kant5696 The problem with y’all logic is you’re basically rating players based on how good their organization builds teams. Which isn’t fair to the players.
Player empowerment ruined the NBA? Nah. You know what ruins the integrity of the game? Players not finding out that they were traded until watching ESPN or scrolling through Twitter. The hand check ban that was officially instituted in the 2004-2005. The hand check ban allowed players like Steve Nash to go from all star to MVP. The hand check ban paved the way for more perimeter play that some find boring to watch.
Funny how Iman, said so many things about Lebron. How great a teammate, leader, plays the game hard and the right way every day. They picked this little part to talk about. It's like a Recruit took a job. He had to work there 5 years before he could transfer. After those five years were over. He's leaves for a better running company, which pays more and has better coverage and benefits. At this point if a person wouldn't do that. He's just DAF.
Rob has a lot of bad takes he's stuck to over the years, but this is the only one that I agree. I don't hate Lebron for doing it, as I think he was just trying to empower players....... but now it seems like only a few players seem loyal to a franchise and same with the franchise towards its players. Shumpert saying he knocked down the 4th wall couldn't be better said. Smart business move by Lebron, but ultimately bad for the NBA brand with fans.
Bro y’all silly fans don’t know that the cavs betrayed him first. One of his teammates slept with his mom. The owner was talking reckless behind his back. Like u don’t betray a player like that y’all supposed to be family. Do not say the Miami heat were a super team dwade was towards the end of his prime and Chris Bosh got bloodcots those players were not durable dwade was hurt a lot during those years. They went 2 of 4 in the finals. Lebron left and joined a bad team who didn’t make the playoffs and took them to the finals 4 straight years quit hating enjoy greatness
@@melvinhhcp3615 not excuses just facts. The organization drafted nobody good while he was there. They were complete garbage. And lebron still took them trash ass Boys to the finals at age 22 get tf outta here u hate but its greatness no matter what u think
@@torhowell5202 no I don't see it. Maybe I would be able too see it had he won 5,6,7. There has been 8 different teams to win championships since he went to Miami. You won't find that many different champs in any 10 year period in NBA history. That doesn't seem like ruining the game to me.
Draymond tackled Mann like two games after he came back. The refs did nothing. The NBA has let this man go away with so much but he still thinks that he is being treated unfairly.
Chris & Rob both forget that Ray Allen went from Boston to Miami long before KD left OKC for Golden State. Also, what about Hakeem, Drexler, & Barkley in Houston...oh and what about the big 3 in Boston (Pierce, Garnett, & Allen)???
Finally we get someone who makes the point how Lebron’s decision came back to bite him in the ass when the Warriors with KD took 2 likely titles from him. He paved the way for KD to do what he did which was to have the balls to join a team that no one wanted him to join. Lebron made it fine because the media changed up and put Lebron on a pedestal after his run with the Heat. Unfortunately, that same luxury wasn’t going to be given to KD because he is the biggest threat to Lebron as the best player in the league (Curry will be the new face of the league).
@@MR.__G So the Sixers can tank for years overcharging thier fans for tickets, parking and concessions while Lebron, who completed his contract obligation should play for an inept owner who was just satified by having a full area? I am a old head and past tired of the Jordan fanboys who will take a shot any chance they get. They said the same thing about Curt Flood. His so called friends would not even support him in his cause for player empowerment. Every pro athlete is in debt to Curt Flood for having the chance to carve their own path because he is the father of free agency. The media was on him like they are in Lebron. Not a Lebron fanboy, i have an appreciation for all great players.The Boston Celtics and Los Angeles Lakers built their dynasties by fleecing other clubs making their superteams for decades.
@@charleswilliams6758 what does that have to do with what I said ? Lebron fans should be quiet when another player decides to do what he did multiple times.
@@MR.__G Lebron doesn't cut paychecks or contracts the owners do. No player forces a owner to sign anyone. Pat Riley signed Lebron James in Miami, Dan Gilbert in Cleveland, and Jeanie Buss in LA. Like I said the Jordan fanboys will not quit. They hated on Kobe after he won his fifth ring just like they are doing with Lebron now.
Where’s the loyalty when teams trade players? Bron went to Miami to even the odds against the Celtics and Spurs. KD went to Golden State to stack the deck.
This argument is soooooo trash. The 80's were dominated by the Lakers and Celtics with LOADED rosters. Yall swear Chris Bosh was soooooooooooo great. Both of them(wade) were hurt during that run. The how is the corniest argument ever.
Is Chris serious right now? He went back to Cleveland because they had Kyrie Irving and the number one overall pick, which he knew could be used to flip for another Superstar. What a coincidence he joined another team with multiple stars on it just like he did with Miami. Then what happened? He went to LA, couldn't win by himself, didn't even make the playoffs and immediately traded all of the young and up-and-coming talent to get another top-five player. Btw those players he couldn't win with were BI (All Star), Lonzo (very good two way combo guard), and Josh Hart (solid spark off the bench). We seen this movie Chris, how can you defend it?
I agreed with you up until you said he ran to a great Miami team…while D Wade was coming off finishing top 3 in mvp the year prior…the 09-10 Heat went 47-35 and got bounced in the first round…you need some fact checkers cuz you don’t have too many in this comment at all
All of aa sudden you now have short memories. Don't worry I got you covered. Lebron James said in Miami, not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven, eight. That's what he said before he ran his azz back to the only team that the NBA could pass him on. And he got lucky, and a couple of things went his way, like the Draymond Green getting suspended, their center getting hurt, abd after that they won their very first championship. Chris Brousard, and Nick Wright, and Shannon Sharpe, wasn't expecting that the Golden State Warriors was about to acquire Kevin Durant, and go on to sweep the Cavaliers the next year. Proving that was a good move to improve the team, and also proved Rob Parker correct. Lebron got man handled by Kevin Durant twice in the finals and Lebron James didn't won't no smoke, supposed to be the best player in the world, and prove he wasn't. What else do I need to say.
@@knucklesaukuso5086 revisit that remark after curry gets that fourth ring this year with possible two peat to make 5…he us the reason everyone shoots 3s or did you not notice
@Ky Jelly bro there you go just because Steph beat LBJ 3-1, it's the way Steph won and how he did that will make LBJ better! Just think about Steph has 3 rings, 1 because kyrie Irving and Kevin love was hurt and 2 because of KD! LBJ 2016 championship overrides Steph
@@bloodsport-ct5rq if he gets his 4th ring LBJ is still ahead because he has and was finals MVP, 4 times! Steph is the best shooter ever, but LBJ is top 5 in point and assist, Steph curry is were!?!😂😂💯 Be for real
Then say he ruined the power structure of management vs players don’t say he ruined basketball like he got all the players to shoot to get fouled or something like thag
This dude is a below average role player who gives a damn what he said he can grow up all over again and he still wouldn't have the talent of a LeBron James
@@SwaggerIsAVirtue that may be true in a sense, but it still doesn't negate the fact that now if you don't put one these teams together, you basically aren't even competitive, not to mention contending for a title. There are about six to eight teams that are even worth the price of admission to watch for 82 games. Broussard's idea of what's "exciting" is skewed to say the least, and subjective. Over 2/3 of the league's teams suck, and they are priced out of the free agent market, so unless more players like Giannis show some amount of loyalty to an organization, we are stuck watching crap, until the conference finals, or maybe the semi finals. The best thing this year is watching the Lakers flop, trying to buy another title! Lebron started the trend!
@@flyguy7825 so he can't have an opinion because he was a role player, but you can denigrate him on social media, and you never played in the NBA at all, and your opinion has more merit? Is that what you're saying? His talent has nothing to do with his opinion, or the subject!
So does the term Big 3 not exist anymore? 1985 lakers, 90s Bulls, 1986 Celtics, 2008 Celtics, 2016 Warriors, even the Heat were all considered a big 3 then KD joined the warriors and made then a superteam. Now every body wants to call a team with 3 all stars a super-team besides The Nets. They’re a superteam
LeBron leaves every time he feels like his team can't compete, meanwhile Jordan Magic Hakeem Duncan Bird and Kobe all stayed on the same team no matter what. Any of them could have plotted to join with 2 other superstars, but moves like that were looked at as weak. They would rather lose than feel like they are cheating to win a championship...
@@oohsunchips So a player straight out of high school took a team to the finals in his third season, made muliple trips to the NBA finals, help his friends ( Rich Paul) get rich, being a good role model to his children without being in a lick of trouble underachieving? The Jordan fanboys will not quit. Larry Bird amd Kevin McHale got Bill Fitch fired, Magic Johnson got Paul Westhead fired, Jordan didn't want to play the triangle, are some examples of players flexing. Not a Lebron fanboy, i enjoy watching all great players.
@@charleswilliams6758 you are a fan boy bringing up off the court stuff im judging him on the court. I don't care if he's a great role model or helping his friends( even thou rich Paul has multiple clients losing money because of him) I'm judging on the he did get to the finals but left when got to hard to make his first of multiple super teams which ruined the league
Rob Parker is so eloquent on this issue. I think he absolutely nails it. It's not about "owners" v "players". It's undermines the reason for the draft and the competitive integrity of the game.
Chris is 10000% wrong. The players have power in the locker room and on the court. The gm has power in the locker room and in the office. Just do your job. Let's be real lebron pulled a weak move
@@victorpeoples883 Again, dumb logic. Using that logic, the champion in any sport would never have the ability to add players because they beat everyone else. When someone retires or leaves the team for any reason and there is a void to fill players see the culture and say, "I can play well with that team". which is common sense. People complain about because it is not their team or it negatively effects their team's chances, I understand why you don' like it.
Lebron messed with the integrity of the game???? It's funny how people forget that organizations make multiple team deals in the middle of the night with multiple players going to different teams without them even having any say whatsoever...but that's ok because the organization wanted to do it smh
Who pays the players?? The owners no?? Who's invested hundreds of millions to build these stadiums and negotiate sponsorship and TV licensing deals? The owners no? These owner's are the ones that have invested in this sport so these players can have a job, so if those same owners want to trade and acquire players that best suit their team they have every damn right to do so. Yes it sucks to be sent to a team in the middle of the night and sometimes in the middle of a game but that's a part of the business. These men are employee's! They get paid millions upon millions to put a freaking ball in a hole. Now you have more and more players being unwilling to even play the sport that they are getting paid handsomely for. I've never in my life heard about a owner just choosing not to pay its players or reneging on an agreed contract. How many players just this year alone quit on their team while still getting paid a ridiculous amount? Also most of these owners were multi millions or billionaires BEFORE they purchased an nba team so its not like these players made them successful, however these owners are 100% the reason why every single player in the nba is rich!
@@Grey_fox12 you're absolutely right...so why complain when players exercise their rights and create their own teams?...the simple fact that this " loyalty to your team" is even a question, is crazy because organizations aren't loyal to the players.
Is no one gonna add that the Heat were built to beat the Celtics...they didn't form the team like LeBron did. But that's what LeBron felt he had to do to get out of the East
Everything is always lebrons fault. The problem with the league is that too many people romanticize Jordan. These same people are allergic to anyone who comes close. Not only do they break out in hives but they also become toxic towards that player. The goal is to smother them with negativity so the comparisons cannot be made. That’s the biggest problem with the nba. Lebron stayed in Cleveland for 7 years and nothing was done. You (Jordan fans) judge players by rings, You set the standard. Don’t be butt hurt now that one player tried doing it in a legitimate way and then the others (KD) went and messed it all up. Lebron wanted a team to beat the Celtics. KD wanted to stack the deck. You fools have been sold a lie if you think it’s the same.
Trying to turn the argument the other way, or to talk about the way they played the game got nothing to with player empowerment. You trying to compare and make a false connection to how Lebron James went and jumped from team to team and how his teams were able to trade as many players to other teams and even talk about contracts. That's not all the media pundits did, they also downplayed Kevin Durant as not being better than Lebron James, and how he jumped from team to team, even though Lebron James started doing it first this generation and Kevin Durant fallowed. They don't mention Lebron James, they definitely mentioned Kevin Durant every chance they get.
You missed the point. LeBron did it the right way by playing out his contract, and then excersizing his free agent rights to leave at the end of the season. Instead of demanding a trade like other players. That is what Chris said.
I think Lebron's career would've propelled even more had he went to the NY knicks and formed a big 3 with Joe Johnson & A'mare Stoudemire surrounded by good role players had he won a 3 peat for New York it would've been way more respectable than his chips in Miami! 😎🤷🏾♂️
Lebron did not ruin the NBA. KG, Pierce and Ray Allen started the LeGM era. If the Celtics didn't thump Lebron the way that they did with his roster in Cleveland he'd probably never end up in Miami. It funny as hell how the Celtics NEVER come up in these conversations.
THANK YOU. Kevin McHale trading his old teammate Danny Ainge Kevin Garnett for dry washers and then getting Ray Allen simultaneously started all of this
Why doesnt anyone talk about the fact that Lebrons 2nd best player with the Cavs was some dude named MNO WILLIAMS!!!!!! I was watching back then, the fact is DAN GILBERT WAS A HORRIBLE OWNER/GM and Lebrons talent was so otherworldly it would have been a crime for him to subject himself to the talentless Cavs front office basketball decisions. Plus Chris himself said the lebron HEAT teams were not all time great. They were not. Lebron made the right choice. When Lebron went back to Cleveland he DID NOT LEAVE TEAM BUILDING TO INCOMPETENT DAN GILBERT and took matters to his own hands.
Left Cleveland the 1st time for Miami for himself, left for Cleveland Return for himself and another superteam, Left for LAL for resources and the ability to make another superteam. This isn’t creating to compete this is creating to stack the deck. Paul George always says he was going to Cleveland but Lebron wouldn’t commit on a long term contract
Yes Shumpert is absolutely correct about who is the greatest of all times. You Chris is up in his feelings, and Rob Parker you have been vindicated. Y'all are trying to do damage control over what he is saying. Michael Jordan had way too many skills, and his footwork, ball handling, and off the ball movement, and defense was second to none.
It wasn't just Giannis deciding to stay in Milwaukee that saved basketball for the next 7+ years, it was also Leonard deciding to go to the Clippers instead of the Lakers. Thank God he did that because if he had joined the Lakers, I would have been watching any sport, any movie, literally anything but the NBA.
Boston didn't have all their players in their Prime. Also, none of them were considered to possibly be the Goat. LeBron's level of criticism was always going to be tougher, because he had Jordan level expectations. None of the Celtics were ever being compared to MJ. So it's not the same to say the Celtics started super teams.
