INAV 7.1 NO COMPASS REQUIRED!

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I just recently started playing with INAV and thought how annoying it is to get the compass all calibrated and mounted in the perfect spot which is real challenging especially on smaller builds where we already have to think of gps reception issues.
I always knew this should be possible especially after first trying gps rescue on Betaflight!
Well I saw recently in the INAV group a post showing a drone flying with no compass so I had to run and try this! I had tried 7.1 already to fix an issue with HdZero blanking out and noticed an improvement in the hold even without disabling the compass. I would love to see Betaflight have this feature for position hold! I don't care too much about waypoint missions and all the other things INAV brings unless I'm flying a plane or so, but that's just me and I may change my mind haha. Let me know your thoughts on this great advancement!
Also remember at this time INAV 7.1 is in release candidate and not out yet but I expect it will be out as stable soon!

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@ayoaina_fpv Месяц назад

Great stuff! Thanks Daniel👍 Nice to see more Betaflight pilots tinkering with INAV! What’s next? Ardu? 😊 Until recently, I was strictly Betaflight only for my quads and INAV only for my planes, but now I’m building a SpeedyBee cinewhoop with INAV 7.1 to run missions and go exploring! Happy days!

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Thank you 😎 I’m getting back into planes myself and I do plan to visit Ardu at some point! I was always curious about INAV on drones and I’m glad I tried it! Having the right flight controller was what made it a bit difficult, but that SpeedyBee setup is perfect. INAV is about exploring as I say and that Love to do!!

@asifwanders Месяц назад

I just came back trying 7.1, saw ypur comment on JB's video. My kwad was toilet boling on RTH and PH both, will now turn off the mag and try it. Thanks for the video though 🎉

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Yeaaah try it and see 😎 I’m pretty sure it will be good! And thank you 😎

@asifwanders Месяц назад

@@DanielSingerX so just came back, position hold surprisingly works great, RTH works 50% of the times, other times it just goes into toilet boling. But still I wanted INAV mainly for PH and it works alright. Thanks for the video dude

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

@@asifwanders Amazing to hear it worked!! I did find RTH to be a bit weird sometimes where it waits a long time but never had any serious toilet bowling issues yet! Just a little sometimes and it seems to correct. But that’s definitely an improvement for you! A lot depends on how good your flight controller gyro is and vibrations. But glad I could help 😎

@nugrostv4600 Месяц назад

Thanks for the information ...

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

You are most welcome 😎

@ndcapper Месяц назад

Good video. Uavtech released a video comparing the improved BF to iNav

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Thank you! I did see his video! I also made a video before about the same and our findings were very similar. Betaflight has come a long way and I feel a lot more comfortable with it for long range, but INAV gives ultimate comfort

@WindjumbieFPV Месяц назад

Nice discovery Daniel...Hopefully the BF Devs add these features, it's in the pull request so all they have to do is implement it.

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Yes exactly!!! I did see it in the pull requests and got super excited 🥳 Thanks for watching 😎

@martinrg007 Месяц назад

AWESOME work, thanks for inspiring me!! What flight controller are you using??

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Thank you! I love to inspire and be inspired 😎 the flight controller I was using here is the JHEMCU GSF405A.

@NOXFPV Месяц назад

Awesome news. Thanks.

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

You’re welcome 😎

@fahrulrputra2589 28 дней назад

That is a nice frame, you design it yourself ? Did you mind if you can share it ?

@rebeccariley2803 Месяц назад

Great info. can you show how to get the osd like yours?

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Thank you!! The OSD is nothing special really, it’s the default for HDZero and also Walksnail looks similar. The layout u can just choose where you want the elements on the screen. Maybe I can post and link my OSD settings page if you want to copy the layout

@butcher 16 дней назад

Coool!

@TheGeordietheWitchandtheWench Месяц назад

I use Betaflight, and Ardu for fixed wings, larger quads. I will try the new iNav 7.1 for fun :-) Thanks for sharing. Are you from Antiqua? :-)

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

You’re welcome! I want to try Ardu next and see what that will be like! I’ve always been more into betaflight but like to know how everything else works 😎 I’m actually part Jamaican and that’s probably what you’re picking up on haha! Actually born in Switzerland but lived a bit in Jamaica and all over the place haha

@TheGeordietheWitchandtheWench Месяц назад

@@DanielSingerX Arducopter is overwhelming at the start, but it really can do anything, it is well worth the time to learn ;-) Jamaica!! Awesome!!!!!

@smackout Месяц назад

yes! i want betaflight missions! lol.

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Haha that would be amazing right! I don’t think we will ever get missions on betaflight tho :( not for anytime soon at least but position hold is almost certainly coming from what I’ve been reading 🥳

@smackout Месяц назад

pos hold fail safe would be something great for bandos.@@DanielSingerX

@jorgec5335 Месяц назад

Epic

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

😎😎

@RFi731 Месяц назад

i wonder if this could work without gps... but with opflow for horizontal positioning and baro for vertical positioning?

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

I was thinking the exact same thing! In theory it’s possible! I’ve found that using any baro will bounce up and down a fair bit and Lidar is waaay more accurate in holding altitude but that doesn’t work higher up. I certainly want to test this. I would recommend the MTF-01 lidar and optical flow sensor for this and I remember seeing a setting to mix it with baro for use higher up. I must test this now that u say. I’m just in the process of rebuilding my rig with the optical flow so hope to get to it soon 😎

@RFi731 Месяц назад

@@DanielSingerX Thanks for the heads up, i'm waiting for it! imho baro only feels bouncy on lower altitude, so yeah adding lidar might be the best solution

@scottyh72 17 дней назад

It was done years ago actually. Position hold with just mems sensors. I think it was Mikrokopter.

@RFi731 5 дней назад

@@scottyh72 in which firmware?

@sosdeathvalley Месяц назад

hello new to the channel building a LR drone and have seen a few using INAV and thinking about it

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Welcome my friend 😎 INAV is a new experience for me and I would definitely suggest using it for long range as I personally feel like my builds are more safe. What’s great is we have the choice to switch at any time if we wish. I’m yet to try all the features like waypoints but I can highly recommend it already

@LehtusBphree2flyFPV Месяц назад

This is news to me I didn't know you could flash a drone with INAV. I thought INAV was for fixed wings and other planes. But good to know you can flash it to a drone. I just know betaflight Quicksilver and emuflight

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

This is what I thought in the very beginning also! In more recent times I stumbled on people flying inav on regular drones and even doing freestyle acro and I became interested. There are few caveats tho like not all flight controllers have targets in INAV or in some cases the target name is different. Or you may see the target name and it may flash but the motors don’t detect or have a missing gyro. But most well known flight controllers will work!

@LehtusBphree2flyFPV Месяц назад

@@DanielSingerX oh wow so that is a problem and should stick to what I know. I'm trying out fixed wings cause drone loss is getting to me. I love the speed and range with fixed wings.

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

@@LehtusBphree2flyFPV I’d say you can always try it out with whatever hardware you have! If it doesn’t work u can always go back to your saved configuration and carry on! That’s the idea I had when I tried my first INAV project. I’m also interested in a wing 😎 I flew airplanes long ago before INAV and flight controllers

@ppoinha Месяц назад

does it need a barometer ? or only gps for every function ?

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Good question! Technically it can work without a barometer. I haven’t tried it but I know the altitude precision without the barometer isn’t as good. There’s a CLI command to get it to just use the GPS altitude and in that case you’ll only just need the GPS for every function. I will try this myself 😎

@albertfalls Месяц назад

I don't know how you did that, I couldn't get my compass to work but when I turned the Mag off position hold or return to home didn't work. In Modes RTH disappeared when I turn Mag off...

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

This is a good point! Did you have RTH set up before you turned mag off? I did and it just continued to work once I had it off. However I just found out if you’re setting up from scratch and go to set the navigation modes without the mag there’s no option. How I fixed that is to select FAKE where u select the type of MAG and then the modes come up. Also remember this has to be on INAV 7.1 release candidate and it won’t work on just the 7

@albertfalls Месяц назад

@@DanielSingerX ok, I actually set it up and after weeks of trying to get the compass to work I gave up and turned it off then realized that nothing worked anymore. I afterwards just changed to Beta flight. I will try and select fake and try again. Thanks for the info

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

@@albertfalls That’s exactly why I was excited to make this video because setting up a compass can be such a pain! Luckily it’s easy to switch between betaflight if u have your config saved. Only if u use analog you’ll have to also update the osd font. But it will definitely work if u set it up from scratch and use the FAKE mag. I imagine in the final release of 7.1 and updated configurator you won’t need the fake mag but let’s see what happens

@albertfalls Месяц назад

@@DanielSingerX ok well I'll definitely give it a go, thanks for posting this video, there are no other videos out there showing how to bypass the compass. Your video has been very informative. Thank you.

@ghwang9767 Месяц назад

@@DanielSingerX I tried configurator7.1 released yesterday also have this issue.

@user-yz2ky8nc3w Месяц назад

Hello. Should it works without GPS?

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

No it won't work this way without a GPS, However you could use only an optical flow and lidar module without gps that will make it hold position based on looking at the ground and sensing the physical distance but this would be limited to a set altitude of about 3 meters depending on the module. with the gps you can go as high as you want and have it hold. personally haven't tried position hold with only the lidar and optical flow but in theory it should work! A good optical flow module with lidar is the MTF-01 if you want low altitude position hold 😎 I think I will try this also

@phuocthiennhantam7970 Месяц назад

What name and configuration of the drone you are using? Thanks you!

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

This drone is pretty much all built by me. The frame is 3D printed in ABS and is my own design that I’m still tweaking. It’s running 8000kv 1202.5 Happymodel motors for efficiency and long flight times on a single 18650 battery, and emax avan 3 inch props that make it more silent 😎 flight controller is jehmcu GSF405A

@forsakenrider Месяц назад

Hope you will release the frame soon! looks super fun!

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

@@forsakenrider I think I definitely will because alot of people asked for this 😎 I will make a video on it soon

@Sam-gr8pl Месяц назад

do i need barometer?

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

I read it can work without one and there’s a CLI command to use just gps altitude but in general gps altitude info varies quite a bit and isn’t as accurate so baro is always preferred. I do want to test if it will work with no baro and how stable it would be

@darkonaire Месяц назад

i think its using the acc and gyro z axis for heading...

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Yes that’s exactly what it’s doing! But the magic is the gps direction can manipulate the offset of the origin take off direction based on the gyro. The acc and gyro are basically blind and will only know position based off the heading when u took off until the gps data points it to real world coordinates. Of course a compass would do the same. I also imaging a system where if we had a real compass to align our drone and make sure we always take off in the same heading like facing exactly north every time it would also work.

@PROFESSOR.IN. Месяц назад

where i can buy tell me?

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

This drone is my design. The frame is 3d printed for testing purposes but flys very well!

@MrQuazar Месяц назад

nice rpg grenade on bottom

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

🤣🤣 sure looks like one eh!! I literally thought people will see it and think this same thing

@MBEROTFPV Месяц назад

Penerbangan yang sangat bagus dan stabil, bisakah saya minta hasil setingan anda, mau saya terapkan dan coba pada drone saya,

@DanielSingerX Месяц назад

Terima kasih! Bagi saya kebanyakan semuanya adalah konfigurasi default. saya hanya menaikkan nilai PID dengan sangat tinggi. Di INAV 7.1 posisi ditahan menjadi lebih stabil yang saya perhatikan. Namun PID untuk Anda akan berbeda tergantung pada motor dan berat Anda. Aturannya adalah jika motor lebih lemah Anda memerlukan nomor PID yang lebih tinggi. saya menggunakan baterai 1s pada motor KV rendah sehingga PID saya hampir setinggi mungkin. Semakin baik sinyal GPS yang Anda miliki, semakin stabil sinyal tersebut melayang. Saya harap Anda memahami terjemahan ini 😁