I’m an INTP and I’ve always heard this stuff about “INTPs struggle to show emotion” but I feel like that implies that we try to and just have a hard time being successful. I think it’s worth noting that (for me at least) I don’t ever really try to emote much unless it just comes naturally (like if I’m really excited or something). If I had to try to always emote and express myself more, then yeah I’d have a hard time and get exhausted pretty quick, but otherwise I do tend to be fairly monotone (at least until I get close to people, then I get more expressive with them for some reason)
Other common INTP myths: - Gay by default INTPs need relationships to work because personal time is very important to us. Jumping from relationship to relationship is time-consuming, so we spend a lot of time thinking on what is the best course of action to get the best results. We spend a lot of time alone as a result and others just assume we have no feelings for romance when many of us do. - Ti intimidation We know a lot and are happy to learn. That's it. The only time we may flex a little is in debate and we feel confident. But, most of the time, Ti is just knowledge for it's own sake. - GREAT listeners Fe recognizes that people like to talk and so we let them. We've gotten so used to it that we can make it flow, but rarely are we invested. - Accurate to projections Apparently, I am gay, have at least one son and I am a martial artist, at the very least. NONE OF THIS IS TRUE. But, because I am so quiet and private - people feel the need to project onto me things that are preposterous.
Absolutely!! Oh man who is perpetuating these stereotypes. First off, INTPs are wonderful & loyal partners as y'all take your energy investments seriously. "Ti is just knowledge for it's own sake." Word! "because I am so quiet and private - people feel the need to project onto me" I feel this too as an introvert. I'm quiet and I have people projecting their ideas of me on me all. the. time. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!! That was insightful & I appreciate you debunking these INTP myths. :)
INTPs when they're comfortable are terrible listeners because the Ne goes crazy and the lack of strong Fe makes the INTP, instead of making direct active listening responses, we are both catatonic with body language and go off on tangents verbally
I relate so much with the talk about Si As INTP, I’ve noticed that I can just shrug the moment, like sometimes I would do something embarrassing and I can shrug it and not think of it, and only later after processing what happened do I feel the embarrassment
Same, I'm actually more likely to be openly weird in public settings with strangers. I'm much more concerned about my behavior amongst people I have extended contact with. But with strangers who I'll probably never see again - maybe my oddness will make someone laugh, so why not?
Si are like data points that are stored in order to predict the next one. If these recordings of reality were numbers and it has recorded the numbers 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, then it will make the guess that what will happen next will be the number 12. A user with dominant Si wants to be absolutely certain of this number, hence why they keep everything in their life the same. Their life is like an empirical experiment where all factors are kept the same in order to know where the difference comes from. Since they have put all their effort in this particular sequence of numbers, they will do anything in their power to preserve the conditions where this sequence will remain the same. Ne doms on the other hand, who have Si as their inferior function, like to make the same kind of estimations. However, they do not make their estimations based on so many numbers as the Si dom does. Rather, they base their estimations only on short sequences of numbers. So for example they will see the numbers 2 and 4 in a sequence. Since the sequence is so short it is impossible to know the next number with certainty. So they will similarly see that it is possible that the sequence could be 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14 but also that it could be 2, 4, 8, 16, 32. The reduction of per sequence will be a smaller reduction than the Si dom would make who after watching a sequence for a longer period of time knows the answer with certainly. However, for the Ne doms in order to come to certainty they will look at multiple number sequences and compare them in order to know which number would fit in all sequences and thus must be right. Because Ne doms like to compare multiple sequences they like to explore and do new things. After all, without new things there are no new sequence to analyse and compare to the others and thus it's harder to know what the right outcome is. So in reality the Ne-doms exploration is not about the experience of these things, but rather to extract the patterns (sequences) out of these experiences. After the patterns (sequences) are extracted from these experiences, they hold no value anymore for them and they are abandoned.This is why Ne doms do not finish things in physcial reality. However, what they do finish is finish what they came for in the abstract reality. So as a comparison of what happens I would say the ability to record long sequences is an ability the Si dom only has. So basically they have a perfect camera that records everything in HD for a long period of time in perfect and similar circumstances. However, they have this high quality recording at the expensse only having ONE recording to rely on for the answer. So if things change, they have suddenly lost all their grip on reality. They do not know anymore what will happen next, because their only source of knowning this is gone. The Ne dom on the other hand does not have the ability to record long sequences. Their recording equipment is just low quality. Their camera is shaking, dirty and the light not bright enough. So while they can not with certainty say what they see back on their recordings, they have lots of different recordings. So in one recording they can barely se what they look at , but at least it's brown and hairy. In the other recording it looks like it has claws. Then in the next recoding it looks like it's eating fish out of a river. At this point they will say 'Well, I think it's a bear but I'm not sure". Then they will explore more and get new recordings. Then they will see ears, which look like the ears of a bear. Then they will think "It's very likely it's a bear". However, when circumstances are constantly the same and their camera is still only one short fragment from the same angle, then they run into a problem. Their short low quality recording does not provide enough different viewpoints in order to know what theyre really recording. So what they then do next is shake things up, so circumstances change. In OP thins would be called chaos. It seems they just shake things up for the sake of it, but they unknowingly do it with the purpose of providing themselves with a a new angle to look from and record, to provide themselves with sufficient sequences in order to estimate things.
This is terrifyingly good by the way, so props to you for writing this. You uncovered why Ne appears so chaotic. It is out of necessity. It's because they need to switch up their angle in order to provide adequate Si reference points to infer many possibilities. Because their Si is murky, they can't make out clear inferences without many different viewpoints. This is REALLY well said and probably would revolutionalize the way people understood type. :P This is top-quality to the upmost level, so excellent job.
Joel and Tim's comments about the need to actually engage our Ne and Fe with real world new experiences out of our comfort zone is so true... even if we are a little, um, robotic... about acquiring "human skills." There's just no substitute for it for INTPs to truly grow and meet their full potential.
INTP here. I enjoyed going out to this one country bar and saw ppl line dancing and thought that looked fun. I practiced at home the dances they did at the bar at home. Took me a while but I eventually forced myself onto the dance floor and danced. it felt great and i'm sure my face was very red the whole time. :)
There are two conflicting rules at play in INTPs navigating a feelers world. The first is that you can't take back something once you express it, so we often try and reserve judgement. The second in that you can not not communicate, so in saying nothing, the world reads into this that a lack of expressed emotion hide negative feelings. This has been a huge problem for me with INFPs that always read in between the lines to fill the void. I tend to see facial expressions as a walkie talkie. A blank face doesn't mean I'm angry, but that I'm just not broadcasting right now. My ISFJ ex saw this as a dirty look when I was completely devoid of emotion and lost in thought.
Yeah, I get that. My brother-in-law is an INFP and he can get weirdly caught up in his assumptions about others. Luckily we are pretty chill around each-other and I've never had any issues with that but I do see it.
I can see what Tim is saying, he's just not saying how I would describe it in most of his answers. I have a question, is the Si stored memories and the Ne capabilities the reason why INTP can see what will happen before it happens? Si is very comfortable doing nothing sitting at home, and when, let's say, somebody forces me to leave my confines and creature comforts, I already know what will happen during said experience. I am an INTP, and when I'm introduced to going out, I can already experience what will happen without doing it. So, to actually do it, can be boring or unexciting to accomplish. For me to be interested in doing it, it has to be novel or something that I don't have enough experience to fill in what I think will happen. It's a hard question to describe, but I hope it makes sense to someone.
I see our Si child as a library of knowledge and experiences and our Ne as an executive secretary that pulls and organizes the data in a way that allows the boss Ti to have the research needed handy to come to wise decisions. If we become too removed from the outside world or research our files are empty and the secretary's hands are tied. If you assume you know how things are going to go leaving the house, you are already starting to entropy. Fight the urge to cocoon and find ways to add variety to what you fear may be mundane.
Ne is conscious gathering and in the moment. What we think is using Ne from the past to calculate is actually stored Ne concepts inside Si, being brought up by Ti. The more Ne gathers over a lifetime, the more ways Ti can use Si to make sense of things. This is why the ISFJ is so much worse than INTP at universally understanding things. Their functions are the same, but they lack the Ne data because they use Ti to confirm the Si and are more worried about social concepts when focusing outside them. We pick up Ne data literally whenever we interact with anything different to what we've seen in any microscopic way because Ti goes "excuse me Si, this has a 1% difference to anything I've seen, I can no longer make sense of this, I'm calling Ne. Hopefully this is not relevant to Fe, she's pretty useless" ISFJs have Si go "I don't understand this Fe, how do I fit in and not make people think I'm stupid? Hello Ti, can you give me the answer, if not, I want a reason to not talk to Ne, that dude stresses me out. Tell me if we can continue without this making sense"
Yeah I see that happening in social situations as well. As if the knowledge I picked up from my interactions with a person have been compiled and are readily available for me to subconsciously analyze and figure out a formula. Not only is interacting with this person easier because I know what inputs to do to get the desired outputs, but I can also simulate interactions in my mind because I know what this person will probably say when I ask them X. I assume Si stores the data, Ne brings it to Ti's attention as well as all other associated data, then Ti makes an equation to create a simulation that involves Si feeling. With sensory situations I just remember how I felt in previous situations and use that to simulate how I would feel in a new sensory situation. Although rather than being bored, since I have heightened anxiety I would prefer not to do something Se because I predict that it'll overwhelm me.
- Se experiences the reality in high definition at the expense of a lack of also recording the raw data itself - Si experiences and records the situation at the same time at the expense of the quality of both of them
Yes!! Se experiences the sensation itself without feeling responsibility to record it, because they don't get anything from revisiting the recording any way. Their foresight comes for Ni after all, not from Si. Resulting in an indifference to Si because it blocks Se from completely being present in the now. While Si gets its foresight from clarity of the recording. So there's incentive to remember the event as it is happening. As there is stake in it, as it's the primary mode of sense making.
Why do Se doms tend to have loud and forceful voices and body language? Is it because they see that as the primary mode of communication? Like no awareness of subtilty just raw sense communication. I suppose we communcate with others through out extroverted functions... Sorry im still learning this shit.
Do extroverted functions require other people to function? Which then feeds your other functions? Like maybe thats why intp's like conversing with other intuitives cos it allows their Ne to function which then feeds their Ti
Its like the introverted functions can be described in experiential and processing terms and the extroverted functions can be described in experiential and communicative terms.
The INTP has their own scaffolded universe in their head. They build from or confirm it from the external data in each interaction. This is why they are 'slow' or discombobulated when young, because that scaffold has be to created and confirmed, before it is useful.. and the universe is a big place. Once mature the possibility to see the inaccuracies in ideas across vastly different domains is basically a quick check against the existing structure.
This is so true for me... I don't know how much it applies to other INTPs, but I spent most of my youth thinking that I wasn't as smart as others because I truly didn't understand so many of their choices (or the rationale for those choices) and they all seemed so confident in what they were doing - I was always being told to get my head out of the clouds or to be practical. It took many years to develop my own intellectual confidence to see through it all and it wasn't until taking the official MBTI test and getting INTP as a result that I had a framework for understanding just why I'd always felt so different. A mature, well developed INTP's mind is second to no other type, but I think we're typically late bloomers and it takes us a while to get there!
I feel like I was exactly the same as a kid as I am now. Intelligent, inquisitive, assertive, and kind of a pain in the ass because I was a very confident know-it-all who, in fact, knew very little about most things because I was six (or however old). Definitely not slow, but I hadn't learned that my "superior" reasoning isn't foolproof because the data I was working with was infinitesimal compared to the data I was missing (which I often remind myself is still true).
I'm intp and not socially awkward. Used to be , but I made it a mission to learn how to fit in and not draw negative attention to myself. My mom was enfp and when I need to I ask myself, what would Mum say right now. Bam. I rock the social situations when I have to. We intp don't want to interact with others, but we can
Frank James does portray the negative stereotype of the intp being socially awkward. His video about how each type talks on a customer service phone call however was spot on! Not socially awkward, but simply not wanting to call talkto anyone and certainly not to ask for help from a person!
He doesn’t even advocate for the use of cognitive functions In his latest video he talks about the letters (J P E I N S T F) and only the letters Honestly, he’s doing harm to the community, I even saw a comment talking about how lots of people get mistyped because of him
I've noticed that. I think his videos can be amusing and I do occasionally find something relatable there but his characterization of INTPs, for me, usually falls far from relatable and somewhat 'one-note'.
I think Si is better described as a conciliation of what Tim said and the view of Si attached to the five senses. I (ISTJ) think that Si does feel through the senses, however its process is to synthesize the experiences into an example or model of reality, therefore this example is not part of reality anymore but mantains its concrete properties. As the number of examples grows ideas of larger scales are conceptualized as compondings of examples, so the concrete properties are preserved as the ideas became more complex. Through this process Si builds its understanding of the world. When Si is used to understand something it brings the constructions that are related to the current circumstances and says what should be done, according to its model, so Si fails if the circumstance do not relate to Si's model or the correlation is weak; at this point the only thing Si can do is ask for other function's help (probably its fellow Ne). I think the main point of all of these is Si wants to find the unchanging and concrete nature of reality.
Probably the best description I've read about Si in the comments. Bravo, Samuel! "I think the main point of all of these is Si wants to find the unchanging and concrete nature of reality." Yes!! I think Si is trying to perceive the unchanging physical. Just as Ni tries to make sense of the unchanging metaphysical.
Interesting concept Samuel! I'm curious if your idea for the model somewhat relates with my ideas of it (as described elsewhere on this page). I could see Si as the quality of model (hd or low rez)and Ne the speed at which the simulation is running (let's say processor) high Ne, low Si = low resolution model, high speed of simulation high Si, low Ne high resolution model, low speed simulation. Ne dom builds up simplstic models everywhere quickly, but not always accurate reality simulation. Ne dom compares outcomes of multiple model simulations. Si dom builds up hd model slowly over time. Changes in model take long, so that's why reality is kept as consistant as possible so model does not need much updates. As long as model does not needs updates outcomes are accurate. (so Si doms life goes as expected)
Beautifully said. I (INTP) experience Si in quite the same way. At first it would noticeably manifest itself as one day suddenly realizing that my room was no longer the way I wanted it through weeks of neglecting to keep it tidy and whatnot. Now, I have learned to let it be a compulsion to adhere to the standard and process as it has already been defined rather than ignoring it or preferring to try to formulate my own based on some theoretical framework. My experience of watching myself fail from lack of organization and initiative has caused me to build these things into my logical framework as maxims, and so I go through the pain of (imperfectly) being organized.
Respectful and Restrained is where i tend to find myself in many social situations. Working in customer service has forced me out of the background and more at ease initiating communication out in the live world. Still, there are only 2 or 3 persons that I feel comfortable enough with to be unfiltered.
Can there be a follow up to this fantastic video. Both the participants on it (like all your guests I know, but even more so in this one) had so much great information to share. Loved it!
I definitely relate to the conment about roller coaster emotions..I ignore or push down my emotions then when emotions do hit its like a roller coaster but I can also relate to the comment about others cofiding in me. I experienc that quite frequently. But they usual arent looking for hugs and such but practical help, a sounding board or ideas
Tip: Choosing dancing as a way to challenge yourself as an INTP isn't the right move for extended periods as Se-type things are particularly incompatible. I would advice Ni or Te type challenges especially Te type challenges as for some reason it seems to stimulate my abillities (I'm able to fill in the Ti-Ne-Si intuitively so if I focus on Te-type-actions it becomes really successful cause I pay conscious attention to one of the missing pieces in the puzzle)
35:25 I think this is related to blast. Sometimes you need to blast, and nobody is around, so you've got to blast at characters in your mind. :P I do this, and I've heard lead Ni blasters do it a lot also. He mentioned he tries to imagine his blasts in a way that people will understand better, so it's definitely using Fe along with Si to do this process, rather than extrapolating with Ne like he thought he was doing. :) Si narrows down, Fe extroverts the known information to the tribe... Or to yourself when you're an introvert. xD
To expand upon this, I notice that Blast and Sleep are essentially the same process, but the former is for the tribe, the latter is for the self. Je=Blast Ji=Sleep.
That makes a lot of sense! INTJ Michael has told me before that he has imagined conversations with characters in his head. This could be because he is blasting with himself. Well, this confirms how I'm blast last. 🙂
Of course INTPs can be considerate, as they have Fe inferior. So they will feel bad if they act in a way they themselves evalute as not considerate enough. The problem is Fi at the bottom on the stack *Your OWN feelings* not others.
Dr House rather than an mbti interpretation seems more easily interpreted in big 5 analysis as a high disagreeable person. Those people supposedly even like contencious social situations and thrive in it. I am wondering where that fits in mbti? Would any type have equal amounts of high agreeable disagreeable or would it be an analogy to a spesific parent function where any type with that parent function are disagreeable? There are many hypothesist to choose from there.
In the big 5 false MBTI test 16 personalities has thinking is disagreeable, feeling is agreeable. I would say in general in MBTI it depends. Fi is probably the least internally agreeable but they often don't share it, Ti is probably the most externally actively disagreeable (they bring up their own ideas without caring about consensus) and Te is passively disagreeable (they shoot down other people's ideas)
@@dxfifa Not sure what the first sentence means but the 16 personalities website is the most wrong of the sites that explain MBTI functions. If there is something ells you mean by 16 personalities just ignore me.
Joyce lets go of a lot of sympathetic laughter. Tim has similar genetics to Dr. Todd Grande. Tim might be older and more comfortable to explain my perception of his greater intellect. now what were you guys talking about? wow Joyce really over laughs. why are you so nervous, Joyce? I'm just playing, no I'm not. sometimes emotions can come out (of an intp) by seeing others helping people that really need help. c'mon Joyce that laugh is disturbing, you need to practice being cool. just kidding 😂 you know I'm playing, sorta. Tim you are genetically related to Dr Grande for sure.
