is 3ds Max going to Die? 

sure it is but that what happened to 3ds max I was anxiously waiting as an architect to have more powerful tools and better rendering engine , and it keeps disappointing us year after year , 6 years no obvious upgrade !

@@khalatelomara yeah ! I know that same issue for VFX artist too

Agree

I think it will be a better decision. Why support two big software, when you can combine the best sides of two in one supreme package?

I thought they might do that when they first bought it.

Kudra Abdulaziz it’s too expensive and impossible

Even if they hire an amy of developers thats imposible. They will just leave Max to rust and maintain I for these visualization things which it seems a big deal but nothing else.

@@Sidowse have fun getting a decent job in the industry with Blender

You forgot a big chunk of users are in Architectural rendering.

@@xXCrackFireXx More indie studios are using blender, and more Industry standard studios are adding Blender to their requirements. Even though they may train you to use other software when you're hired, they still give you a chance if you already know blender. Also, there are many more industries outside of gamedev, movies, vfx that Blender users can work in. You can always work freelance for companies who need specific things done. Like Product Viz, Interior design, Advertising, Making Signs (which I do and use Blender for Pre-Viz), Website graphics and more.

@Max Jump Hi there! Well, sure you do. I could tell you that you should learn 3dsMax with Vray/ Corona too. But sure that blender can do that quality work. In the end ,these are just tools.

I agree

What version are you using?

@@Phoenix-gz9xb version of blender ? 2.81a you can see my work here www.artstation.com/emimartinez

@Max Jump you're wellcome 😉

Same here I too work for Cameron and WKM, 3DS Max is way to go for creating engineering animations. I find Maya clumsy as it is more geared towards character or organic animation.

@@topgunpilot2547 Exactly, too many engineering and arch viz companies paying top dollar for Max to go away.

But companies, particularly ones that don't invest in R&D, are usually tied to specific software employees have to use. Some are still using old versions of IE because of ActiveX plugins.

@@MR3DDev I don't think there is any advantage in using 3dmax for archviz nowadays and paying big money if you just need modeling and rendering tho.

Open source is the way to go and the killer of all paid software. Shilling for 3ds max tho...

The only one but big problem is how Blender handles big archviz scenes - it is too slow. 3dsMax is very efficient and optimzied for large scenes. And don't forget about vray and many plugins for trees, smoke etc.

@@GrzegorzWronkowski big archviz scenes are small % of the overall archviz jobs

So they are preparing an indie version It is more affordable and offers all the features

@@aiuhejvwvud8c99rjej I have seen that! It's been quite some time since they first rolled it out, I expected them to phase out LT by now. I did actually ask them about transferring my LT subscription to the indie, but they couldn't help. I also noticed that the Indie sub, when it expired, would auto sub you to the full cost version if you didn't actively cancel it. This last part though, when I checked a week ago, does appear to have been changed to simply stop your subscription, so some work has been done.

@@VideoSage The reason is that it is still in test service. In fact, not yet available in some countries They said they were testing it and would confirm the content of the service after the test.

hey sage, old time supporter of your SE content. haven't been to your channel in years, heading there now. : )

I am 3ds max user to but I recommend you try blender

@@amirshayanmoghtaderi5840 I have used Blender since 2008. It's really good for free software, but I cannot use Corona Renderer with it and that is a dealbreaker.

@@moefag Eevee is much better for archviz and general product rendering. Photorealism only makes a difference in highly detailed and textured scenes, particularly, organic ones. You don't need hours of rendering to produce a realistic image of a product with a smooth surface and studio lighting.

@@moefag RTR is very useful in Arch Viz in my opinion. I always use the live viewport whenever possible so that I can ensure the colors/textures appear realistic for the final render. Might not be so important for Arch Viz that doesn't require photorealistic details.

@@UnrealZii you can use Corona Standalone with Blender :)

@Zinogg Well it's going to be an interesting decade. I agree with what you're saying if I was to get into 3D now, I'd start with Blender and that really depends on studios I wanted to work at are using it.

Absolutely. If you look at Maya (I've only played with Max) in particular, it's held back badly by its history. The software from its inception was a Frankenstein's Monster of multiple apps combined, held together by the (then groundbreaking) MEL scripting language. It's snowballed quite a few apps over the years and its node-structure is really clever. I love the node editor and the spaghetti I've made in there to create my rigs is one of the sources for my channel's name. Maya has a lot of nice features. But it's slow, buggy, bloated, disorganized, overpriced, and (this is subjective) *just ugly* . MEL is badly designed, hard to read, hard to write, and hard to extend. And they can't change it because Maya is built around it. From what I've seen, Max's scripting language is similarly problematic. Maya could be a beautiful software if it ever had a loving home. It's kind of a shame to see it languishing in Autodesk's care. Sure it gets updates but they're pretty weak. Certainly not worth the yearly price. I think rewriting the software is the only way to keep them going towards the future. They're old and need to be rebuilt from the ground up. Blender has gotten a lot of love recently after 2.8. That was after a *three year* wait for the update while the entire dependency graph and viewport display/UI was re-written. And don't discount the free-and-open nature of Blender. It's the ultimate in adaptability, because it's possible to modify it directly. The Python API is the latest version of Python (not the deprecated 2.7 as in Houdini and Maya, others too more than likely) and it's a pleasure to use because it's designed to be idiomatic to Python and native to Blender (not a wrapper around another language as in Maya for example) When Blender 2.8 came, every old addon became unusable after the switch. Not a problem for Blender users, because we still have the old version, forever. And the addons are (essentially all of them) open source, too, so we can fix them if we know how. .blend files are mostly backward and forward compatible because of the DNA/RNA system. This wouldn't work for Maya because it stores it's files primarily as MEL (I think even mb files are just compiled MEL) -- if MEL was changed Maya files would need a special "legacy interpreter" or something. If that's even possible. And that's the crux of the issue. Maya and Max are such a force because of their legacy. Re-building them would defeat the purpose of their existence. People keep buying Maya and Max because it would cost them too much to change their studio's pipeline to anything else, even if they want to. Disrupting this stability would be a huge hurdle for Autodesk, one I doubt they're interested in trying to jump. They're not the most innovative bunch.

You guys are ignoring the fact that XSI was basically this "uber" software. Bottom line? It just did NOT sell! It's market worldwide was so small it could not pay for itself, even after years of ADSK promoting, bundling, and helping push it. Sure, it's easy to say that ADSK bought it to kill it, but it is not the truth at all - XSI was on "sale" exactly because it was not selling and ADSK was just the last of many companies who did own Softimage/XSI but could not make a business out of it. And saying "People keep buying Maya and Max because it would cost them too much to change their studio's pipeline" is also NOT true. Houdini (specially the full version) is MORE expensive than Max or Maya, yet, it is making gigantic strides on the VFX market. What really makes sense for the companies is productivity - and that is more true than ever for VFX, just look at how many big ones closed their doors in recent times. If Blender could alleviate their situation (because it's free) wouldn't you think they would all jump to it in a blink? The reality (and that was also discussed in length by other people) is that Blender STILL lacks in MANY places to be productive, for many industries. Of course it is getting better, and for sure I see it getting more ground, but it's naive to think that company owners, who live trying to make their business flourish, would avoid changing their pipeline if they saw financial advantage on the long run because of high upfront costs. The real cost of changing the pipeline, TODAY, is a stark fall in productivity. Can it change in the future? Sure, and we see some companies at least doing some research and testing on that (adopting Blender on their pipeline).

Very true, but Tyflow is comming so I think we will see some people loving it. The facebook group already has more than 5k members, although I'm pretty sure a lot of them are using cracked Max.

the autocad is no longer used in civil construction, it has lost space for achicad and sketch-up and for the revit itself.

In our company, Revit is king but our architects still do some work in AutoCAD and use dwg files from our clients and other disciplines such as our Process group all the time. So even if we use Revit for most of the modelling and final drawings, we still have to buy AutoCAD licenses. I suspect a lot of companies still have plenty of AutoCAD licenses for precisely that reason which strengthens Autodesk's sales. I personally take dwg files and Revit files into Max to do my renders. Until Blender can natively and cleanly import Revit and dwg files it still won't be widely used in Archviz. For that reason Max is going to be around for awhile since its a much bigger industry worldwide than VFX.

@@MrSandro3d That is kinda strange info, and VERY dependent also on where you are. Here in South America AutoCAD is king, and it is in fact the most important and best selling product Autodesk has. They are just different paradigms (and better suited for different scenarios) - one is BIM and the other is more "free" regarding design decisions.

@@oso_Peligroso Not only that (importing DWG and Revit files) but also play nice with a huge library of models that companies build over the years, and also have good ties with render engines that are very well tuned for towards viz work (like Corona and Vray). So, even if Blender could take away that particular (gigantic) block (good I/O with design files), it would still have a very tough battle to fight on this market. Also, let's not forget that on the AEC market, software price is not that much of a burden as paying your personnel. The margins are much higher than the ones on gaming and VFX (just look at how many big VFX houses have closed their doors in recent years) and software more than pays for itself if they are productive.

AI is a smart investment for 3d software. I've seen how the AI in photoshop cleans up old photos. Amazing stuff.

@@Phoenix-gz9xb care to share a link ? Also is this AI stuff concerning Fusion 360 as well ? that software seems to be the new love child of Autodesk

@@orphydiancg7759 Bro. Have you seen Eloi video about SIGGRAPH. They are pulling Bifrost to be something like the Node system from Houdini and to automate hard tasks as Unwrapping and modeling, using more parametric approach.

@@joelaguilarfuentes8758 I hate everything what is concerning nodes and I dont think Im the only one

Two Minute Papers has some great videos about the AI and Machine Learning stuff

modifiers are amazing in max for parametric modeling but try Rhino for the other things u mentioned, rhino is king for precision modeling and flexibility.

How? In a blender it takes a very long time to undo operation (ctrl+z) when there are a lot of polygons in the scene.

@@dimmArtist I modeled it in archicad (connection with rhino grasshopper and sketchup ) then import it into blender using fbx.Blender for render and animation

@@thiaparameta6915 thanks for answer)

@@thiaparameta6915 is blender compatible with archicad and rhino? I mean can it read separate layers/elements?

Max has got more updates in the last two years than in 5 years before. I don't think is going down the Mudbox route, it's not.

what investment for Maya?

@@joelaguilarfuentes8758 I hope not, I love 3ds Max. I hope they really give it the attention it needs.

@@changsooeun They are working on stuff like Bifrost :)

Thats because people use maya for animation what are you doing on 3ds max??

I use a few other softwares beside Blender, but as a content creator on RU-vid there's just no comparison. Blender has a bigger audience, lower cost to make videos, easy to get that comment section gold by starting a Blender v. Maya flame war. For people making training content it makes sense. The hobbyists will always use Blender, and they'll always be a bigger market than professionals. You make more money selling Fords than Lamborghinis.

@@nodespaghetti5312 you are absolute right in this point. You get tons of tutorials for blender as on RU-vid and also on other platforms. There are only a few platforms which are specific for other packages. But to get advanced content for blender instead of the basics is really difficult. Look at the launch of blender 2.8, there are millions of blender basics but nothing above creating a cube and hit render. I think the most of the pros in industry don't take attention to discussions like this. They do their job with what kind of software ever

You are kinda late, Blender is used into film industry a lot (Hollywood)...And will be using in future.

I also was trained on the original 3ds version 👍 still have my original demo tape on vhs lol 😂

Yep thank you , to be real with you , I been using c4d for all walks of life and mostly in game dev for 8 years now and I make plug-in add-ons for it and for a studio, but these people is ever is give c4d a chance and see how powerful it is under the hud. I wish they can look into it more tho. But all artist have the freedom pick the software of their dream or make you feel comfortable and depends on the project to, so no force okay guys on who ever read this. lol

@@fsxdb000 c4d is not too much different in price compared to 3ds max. But max has a ton more options, scripts, and plugins

@@fsxdb000 Really? What studio?

@@Phoenix-gz9xb yh i know the price tag is high and mostly in the past , but now they have change that with the R21 $60 month now, which is the release they did, and when it comes to more options, scripts, and plugins for c4d, it has the same amount as 3dsMax, maya , blender, etc...the problem is.. 1) Maxon do a bad job on showing tools and what is in their software for options and they are mostly hiding from the user cause of the c4d friendly UI and not like maya or 3dmax UI out of the box. 2) For scripts, and plugins its to much out there trust me but you have plugin devs out therein the c4d & plugins community that do bad naming to tools they make so it hard to find them most of the time for Example: best UV tools, For 3dsMax: UV Tools 3, For C4D: Seamilar by toolspixels, Another one, best Kitbash tools, for 3DsMax: Mesh Insert, for C4D:PolyGnome by toolspixels. lol I know its funny so yh its alot bro.

@@trence5 I work for a Flight Sim Scenery Development company, making large and small airports for the sim , like FSX, P3D, Xplane11, and now from how things looking also the new MFS 2020 sim, and every project we have done we had to make tool for them and future the projects, so I just made a massive toolkit plugin in c4d and theses tool well becoming out this year of 2020 one bye one by FCS / Field Creators Studios, me and my best friend personal studio. And Studio? its a Sim Studio I work for , I cant say the name, on a NDA sorry.

I don't think people really care about slightly different rendering results in this pbr world.

This has been discussed but I don't know really if they are going to implement it.

how do you feel the lack of a face constraint in Blender ? how can you do hard surface without such a basic feature to preserve your shape ? Also is vertex slide behavior similar to Max edge slide ? I've heard its not

You did watch the video, right?

@@Phoenix-gz9xb I did, that's why I said IF it is killed off, it will be missed.

@@vgabnd_kenji976 you dont have to watch the video to use "IF". The title of the video IS just asking the question. Not making a statement

@@Phoenix-gz9xb and I answered that question from my perspective; what's the problem?

@@vgabnd_kenji976 no problem. I asked if you watched it. You could have just said yes, but you had to emphasize your answer so I replied to it. That's all lol

Agreed. And also you have the Revit interoperability, and Autodesk Revit is one, if not the best, of the softwares for Architecture.

3dsMax is considered as a "flagship" product inside Autodesk which means top 5 money maker.

Changsoo Eun It really doesn’t matter the Entertainment division, as a whole, isn’t making money anywhere near the scale of their architecture division - AutoCAD, Revit, etc. The only reason they’re keeping the entertainment division running is visualization advantages for the architecture/industrial design and entertainment industry prestige. I halfway suspect that at some point they’ll integrate most of Max into AutoCAD and make it some ”Visualization Edition” they’ll charge extra for and then sell off all the entertainment products including MAX and they’ll probably sell it all to Apple...I suspect that’s why they’ve been so amiable to. Appl’s constantly shifting graphics API strategies with all the free software, Metal integration etc.

@@Imhotep397 3dsMax is already in all Autodesk collections. 3dsMax serves all of Autodesk market.

Very true

Any Sources or Information on your claim that Max is making Autodesk more money than Maya? Considering Maya is coss platform, the Industry standard for a lot of things and being more actively developed than Max i dont see your post making all too much sense.

@@NymezWoW for me MAX is standart

Keeping it in mantainence only isn't helping anybody. And by that logic, it will still bring Autodesk tons I money even I it's dead in Media industry.

@@orphydiancg7759 Man, you are pissed off. I know you have posted recently a lot of requests in 3ds Max Ideas but, for real, it's impossible for any dev team to addess all those requests. Of course I hope they do more this year than before.

The worst to happen to 3d??? How?

@@Phoenix-gz9xb When you kill your competition by buying it and becoming a monopoly it's NEVER good for your consumers. Autodesk has only one REAL competitor now. Blender. Of course Lightwave lost me when they screwed up their OBJ export, and destroyed my workflow.

Autodesk has hit on this wonderful business model where, once customers start paying it money, they find they cannot stop. Complains from users don’t even matter, because as long as the money keeps flowing in, why would they need to worry? And it doesn’t even need to keep improving its products in order for this to work.

Autodesk has hit on this wonderful business model where, once customers start paying it money, they find they cannot stop. Complains from users don’t even matter, because as long as the money keeps flowing in, why would they need to worry? And it doesn’t even need to keep improving its products in order for this to work.

Autodesk has hit on this wonderful business model where, once customers start paying it money, they find they cannot stop. Complains from users don’t even matter, because as long as the money keeps flowing in, why would they need to worry? And it doesn’t even need to keep improving its products in order for this to work.

I haven't been able to find a good replacement for Softimage and I highly doubt I will. This industry is slowly dying to me.

True. I have a friend who uses a cracked version of softimage 2013

@@kudraabdulaziz3096 your using pirated software too!! don't us!! LOL!!

Hahahahaha...ooops my bad

Not going to happen any time soon, too much difference in the core and way of work.

That's a terrible idea. They should just include Maya's sculpting tools in 3DS Max, as Maya's interface is pure hot garbage.

@@UnrealZii Maya's sculpting tools are pure hot garbage. They should make Mudbox free for Max and Maya users. Or integrate MudBox. Although $10 a month is something even I can afford.

does it really matter to anyone these days, 3-4GB? That's less than 1/10 of a movie in 4k. Many scene assets have tens of GBs in size, any game you install takes 50GBs these days. Installation size is far on the list of arguments, so far it's irrelevant.

They already invest more on that, they are the top providers of these kind of software, in fact, the what really pays is not the Media & Entertainment is Car, Architecture, Engineering, that's where the money really comes. People tend to think that Films, Games, and VFX provide a lot of money, but, at least for ADSK, what makes money for real is the other stuff.

but the video is about 3ds max, jesus blender users are starting to look like the 3d vegans....

@@vvitor95pt I'm definitely gonna use that term "3d vegans" lol.

i want to learn cryengine but its difficult

@@murtazarizvi368 Just use Unreal...it's gives basically the same results nower days!

@@funtari7 i am using unreal but want cryengine only coz how crysis, ryse and prey looked good too.

wth bro...

when it comes to spline handling, huge scene management, fast character rigging animation compositing, houdini will drive you crazy, trust me, export abc, vdb for rendering in max with vray, it's heaven.

Yep the dev team is doing a grreat effort, the company politics is a different theme.

Bro, they are working. It has improved a lot in stability and performance, yes we need more tools, they need to complete the migration to Qt, they need to rearrange and evolve the modifier stack (but I think this should after Bifrost to integrate it to the core), improve Edit/Editable Poly tools and improve a lot of stuff in Customization. there is a lot of work to do but I think they are improving for real.

@@joelaguilarfuentes8758 They cant do all of that on a reasonable amount of time. Max was too much time awfully neglected. Only the new modifiers added got the new QT look and they havent touched any old one.

@@orphydiancg7759 Let's hope something changes in 2021.

@@orphydiancg7759 When we go back and change anything in the modifiers, we always update the UI. Chamfer, Bevel Profile, Data Channel for example are all fully QT. We are looking at ways to automate the process, but it's not an easy task. We are doing a lot more than you think. I recommend beta.

@@martincoven well you just confirmed that only new stuff will get new UI ? How in the world is this even on half a good idea. It's basically what happened always. Why we can't have those nice clean drop down menus of the new modifiers on Max main window for ex ?

Called Blender...

😂😂😂

You have right, your frustration is the same of mine nowaday with unreal for archiviz. A lot to learn and some other software are knocking at the door with automation for the entire process.... very frustating for me that situation. If it is good competition between software house in term of software improvement, is very hard for me to choose how invest time for learning!

do you believe that?

I use max for arch and I agree with you

Max is used for much more than that. Film, TV, games, Arch Vis plus a lot of other stuff. I've used it for about everything EXCEPT arch vis.