@@ItsMrGQ2U doc has a ring from a Celtics team that had prime pierce, garnet, rondo and ray allen that went up against a lakers team with a injured Andrew bynum and Kobe who was gassed
@@lordquastheonly okay and?… how many stacked teams has Chris Paul been on?… & Garnett, Allen and rondo were not in their prime… Rondo had barely been in the league for 2 years and Garnett and Allen were in their 12th-13th years… 🤡
I think the problem comes from Chris Paul's reputation. He is called the Point God and his strength are efficiency and low turnovers as opposed to players like Westbrook who have better numbers thanks to riskier play. People don't expect him to put up 30 a game. But in this series he had a ton of turnovers and shot poorly, which makes it hard to ignore. He did the opposite of what he is celebrated for.
actually cp3 is capable of putting up big numbers on great efficiency and low turnovers. He did so many times in these playoffs. He had 2 30pt games and 2 28pt games, so 4 games at or near 30pts in these playoffs round 1 and round 2. I get your point that he is not really expected to score so much, but he has shown it many times especially in these playoffs and you cannot ignore that. Like, he didn't miss a single shot, not a single shot, in one game vs the pelicans in these playoffs. He scored 33 points on a literally perfect shooting night. How can he go from scoring multiple 30pt games, to then scoring less than 15 points in 5 straight consecutive games? I'm not even mentioning the big turnovers. Also what's crazy is that his efficiency was still good during those 5 games...he simply attempted wayyy fewer shots than in previous games. Why? I don't understand at all, because the mavs defense was more focused on booker than him...so why did he attempt so few shots? It is pretty bizarre imo.
@Thomas Lequesne what series are you talking about? The video talks about all of his playoff series. Lol Also I'm not sure how you can bring up CP's reputation and NOT mention how much of a complainer he is. Yeah it's a player's job to compete and win. If you can fool a ref to call things in your favor then do so... BUT CP3 is such a baby! People who are not fans of his or the team he is on hate how much he complains and tries to bait players & refs. It's not fun, entertaining basketball. Just like Harden's play style in Houston where he was getting fouled every play. So anytime CP3 does have a bad playoff game or series, the media and fans are harder on him.
To be clear, all superstars have had bad games, and in some cases, bad series, in the playoffs. With CP3 though, we have seen a lot of highs and lows with him that people are tired of not seeing him get the title
It's not just that, it's that Chris Paul is just now starting to get the criticism all the other superstars/stars get when their teams consistently underperform and lose early in the playoffs. He gets the critism a top 10 point guard of all time gets when he's only made it past the second round twice
@Disgruntled Simp Mod Stacked Team??? Every team he's been on theres always been a better team. With New Orleans, the Spurs Lakers, Celtics etc. With the Clippers there was the hawks, the warriors were emerging, Cavs, Lakers(11-12), Chicago with D rose, Spurs, Celtics. With Houston there was the warriors with KD, and with Phoenix theres the bucks, the warriors, the nets, Celtics, Heat. So how tf was he on stacked teams
Isaiah Thomas said it best Chris Paul tries to have these perfect stat line games but when you need him he’s either hurt or just disappears like this last series with Dallas. Everybody labels chris paul the “leader” of the suns and in close out games just because he was barely missing doesn’t mean he was positively impacting the games. Two things can be true
Even Booker kind of hinted at it saying hed rather go 16-17 than 16-16. If a star is having a really good game you would think he would take more shots instead of opting for the efficient game
@@skproductions8495 Booker ain't even It himself. Half of Phoenix failures gotta go to him. He can't even get the Suns to the playoffs. They needed CP3 at age 36-37 to come do it. Cp3 played horrible but Book was no showing.
@@daevonthesavage7483 he was in the league for 5 years without making the playoffs and if it wasn’t for a technicality the suns would’ve been playing for the 8th seed in the bubble. Chris Paul came in to a situation where the team was taking a step forward with or without him, he just sped up the process and since he’s been in Phoenix everybody says Chris Paul is the “leader” of the team but d book gets the blame when people act like he was just stat padding but he’s been the same player with or without Chris Paul just say you want book to average 30
Yes, just because they are the favorites doesn't mean they already won. They have to get the job done either way. But you can't blame totally someone for losing while being the underdog and performing on an all-time high. At the end of the day, basketball is a team game and injuries exist. But thats just my opinion.
Yea no just because you are underdog doesnt mean you already lost the series either the bulk of the blame has to go on the superstar feet because if they win and the superstar doesn’t play well they will still get the bulk of the credit
sounds like a excuse ? name one team where the opposing team was better then the clippers. Sure the spurs but who else. They had chances to make the wcf but choked. 2012 vs the spurs cp3 was horrible and 2008 vs the spurs in 7 games they were up 2-0 and duncan was struggling in that series vs Tyson Chandler. Cp3 in game 3 during the 4th quarter cp3 scored only 2 points at the 11:13 mark and the rest of the quarter dude went 0 points on 0/3 fg and what about game 7 during the 4th quarter in the last 6:50 cp3 scored 0 points on 0/2 and 1 turnover and got outscored by parker. next year in the 1st round vs the nuggets he got outplayed by Billups in game cp3 scored 21 points on 36 % shooting and 4 turnovers and the next game paul scored 14 points on 5 turnovers also in game 4 paul had his worst game in that series scoring 4 points on 28 % with 6 turnovers and in the elimination game cp3 scored 12 points 31 %, what about that series vs the thunder where cp3 choked in game 5 also in houston they blew a 3-1 lead when harden was playing horrible and they didn`t have their best defensive PG PAT in that series, 2021 finals cp3 played horrible in last 3 games, this year vs the mavs .
As if CP3 and Harden wouldn't have found a way to choke after that series. Lebron was wild those playoffs and the Rockets defense just wasn't great they just relied on the 3. Warriors had a great defense when healthy 2015-19. Also the very next year they lost when KD went down. They didnt have the heart.
so close to losing? You remember that he was healthy the year after right? And KD (the best player in GS) was injured. Y'all lost at home. What should haunt you is the fact that y'all went 0-27 from three in the last stretch of the game
@@Uchawibeatz the year after the rockets didn’t win 65 games cause of injuries. that’s the year harden scored 30 points 32 games in a row. he had to carry the team for the majority of the season. so yeah, we lost the next year, but that rockets team wasn’t nearly as good as the one in 2018. plus the warriors had home court advantage in 2019. also, we were close to winning. we went 7 games with the greatest team of all time, fully healthy. no other team can claim that. just because i didn’t *specifically* put the rockets missing 27 threes in my initial comment doesn’t mean i don’t acknowledge it. it’s part of the context of being “so close”, do you get it now?
By his own estimation CP3 choked or was injured in 7 of the 9 sample playoff series and came to the conclusion that he’s not a choker and went so far to actually argue CP3 improves in the playoffs. Why am I feeling he’s not completely objective
Bro... why can't we just slander Chris Paul? Why when the moment Chris Paul plays like trash everyone immediately tries to defend him and deflect to his teammates. Damn, let us slander cliff Paul bruh.... trying to suck the fun out of shit...
12:35 Rockets is no business competing with Warriors in 2018? Come on bro, Houston is best team in the league with franchise record 65 wins and your saying they have no business competing with the Warriors? They are the only team has the potential beating the healthy Warriors with Durant on the team.
It’s fascinating how quickly the narrative can change on someone. Before Chris Paul’s Thunder stint, people crapped on him all the time about his playoff failures, then CP3 nearly beat the Rockets with an underdog Thunder team, then he leads the Suns to the finals (plays great throughout) and everyone’s talking about how he’s so underrated including in the clutch. Then he has 1 bad game in the finals, they lose the finals, CP3 chokes against the Mavs and we are right back to the Chris Paul always chokes narrative. I personally feel Chris Paul is a player that has shown time and time again that he elevates his play during the playoffs (Go back and look at the close out games in the 2018 Western Conference semi-finals and 2021 Western Conference finals for examples), but he doesn’t do it often enough to be considered a super clutch player. On top of that, he has a few notable failures that stick out to people more than his successes, especially since a lot of people hate Chris Paul. Is CP3 a mamba-like killer, no, is he a perennial choker, also no.
It is called "recency bias" and happens on every sport tbh. Fans, especially the more casual fans, praise or disrespect players based on what they did the past year or even the past few months.
“Clutch” “choker” “mamba mentality” and whatever other terminology is just low IQ NBA-astrology tier bullshit anyway. No player has ever won a championship on their own and LOW did a great job showing what’s held CP3 back his whole career (essentially just bad luck)
@@gobot581 I’m surprised LOW didn’t even mention it in the video. Wasn’t it for game 5? LOW made it sound like he just fell off a cliff after the first 2 games
Why’d we not bring up the 2019 Rockets? KD got hurt and they couldn’t even push it to 7. They let Curry go from 0 first half to 30 in the 2nd half to close them out
- Agree. CP3 is a great player. The real kicker is blowing series leads. You can have bad games in a 7 game series but to blow several leads? That hurts his legacy. 2-0 vs Spurs in 2008 2-0 vs Grizzlies in 2013 3-1 vs Rockets in 2015 2-0 vs Blazers in 2016 (broken hand) 3-2 vs Warriors in 2018 (hamstring) 2-0 vs Bucks in 2021
That Chris Paul against the Spurs series you were talking about in '08 is reminding me a lot of this series that Giannis just went through it against the Celtics basically having to solo squad it because your team didn't show up or is injured
Look if we want to consider a guy to be a top 3 PG of all time you can’t blame his teammates every time he loses in the playoffs. You gotta hold him to the same expectations as steph and magic.
That's facts. People love calling him the best pure PG in the league, but don't hold him to the same standards as Steph. Curry had one bad Finals and people still talk about it, while Cp3 has had multiple bad performances, and all I hear are excuses for him.
@@hoody_yt Nah. People use that 2016 performance to discredit what he did in 2015 and all the years after 2016, even though he has never performed that poorly ever again. That's where the whole Curry isn't clutch narrative comes from, and it's the most common criticism of Curry's career. The only time Curry has been given a pass was the 2019 Finals.
It’s crazy how far people will go to defend this guy I’m hearing all the excuses in the world like they don’t happen to everyone where’s the consistency?
@@trvspvrk Point was more that these same “legitimate facts” aren’t extended to most other players. Steph Curry is a choker, doesn’t matter what the circumstances are. Lebron is a choker doesn’t matter what the circumstances are. Harden and KD are chokers, doesn’t matter what the circumstances are. CP3 isn’t a choker because look at the circumstances.
CP3 isn't a playoff choker, he's just not dependable. He's either hurt, inconsistent or both. He can't be the main cog to a championship team. At best, he has to be Jason Kidd for that Mav's championship. Timely but not pertinent
@@jemariohawkins5643 you are aware that lebron has 4 rings and had one of the greatest playoff runs ever in 2018 and made it to the playoffs 15 times and the conference finals 64 times correct?
@@ohnoitschr1s479 four rings with three different teams as well as appearing in eight Finals in a row. Really really impressive resume. I'm by no means a LBJ fan but the constant cherry picking and comparison to MJ or others is incredibly disproportionate.
Where are these excuses for other players. If he’s that dude and the point god and all that why hasn’t we won anything as a player not even mentioning a title. He’s Stockton with a fade and line up
I'm sick of people asking that when it comes to CP3. These excuses have been made for other players many times. People just like have selective memory and pick and choose when it acknowledge it.
@@Jaykurosakii That was only two years Buddy he made the playoffs 19 times in his career with a record of 85-87 in playoff games and only wining 16 out of 34 playoff series him and Karl definitely choked a bunch in the playoffs
@@waunthomas598 you just looked up some statistics that didn’t prove anything you wasn’t even alive when he played so you definitely don’t know what you are talking about and can’t show me any clips of him choking
I've never really blamed CP3 because I've always thought he had overrated teammates. Prime Blake Griffin, and current Devin Brooker are in my opinion two of the most all-time overrated players ever. When he was in LA he had Blake Griffin who should have played center but always played power forward. Blake was a terrible shooter who became an okay shooter as his athleticism began to fail. He was a terrible defender and mediocre rebounder for somebody of his size, athleticism, and purported skill. And in Phoenix he's had Devin Booker, The guy who complained and cried about being double teamed in a practice. The guy who consistently underperforms in key games, the guy who is vastly overrated in his basketball ability. He is an ok defender, decent shooter, great all around scorer, mediocre passer. And not particularly clutch. So while CP3 is certainly not without blame in these failures, it's not all on him.
Let’s not forget on the rockets where he had harden taking all the shots and not really being that much of a playmaker as people say he was especially in the post.
I gotta agree Devin Booker is kind of overrated for example being compare with Kobe. But for example last year against Bucks he drop back to back 40 points games yet Chris Paul didnt perform so great so he is to blame too.
The 2018 Rockets is 100% on James Harden. The Rockets was up double digits at the half of Game 6. You have to get that done. Should've never been a Game 7 to being with.
More like 60%. The whole team missed an impossible 23 threes _in a row,_ but Harden wasn't shooting every single one of those. For me, that embarassing 2018 WCF Game 6 choke-job is 60% Harden, 20% D'Antoni (a coach with his experience couldn't switch up tactics?), 20% role players (these are supposed to be some of the best basketballers on the planet, on account of making it to the NBA - couldn't they have taken it upon themselves to try more close-in shots?)
@@henryviiifake8244 in today's basketball, the midrange is foreign. Players ain't tryna be complete. One fan called the midrange a "pop's game." So nah they ain't gon think of more close in shots unless it's layups or dunks
@@daevonthesavage7483 Yup this is why cp worked so well for that team. He would always hit timely midrange shots that were usually open due to how the rockets play with 3s and layups. It’s sad that harden for some odd reason acted as if he isn’t capable of doing exactly the same. 🤦🏾♂️
You really want him to beat the greatest team of all time alone? What kinda standard is that Prime Lebron James couldn’t win a game against them in 2018.
This is why I watch ur mini-documentary videos u are very well detailed and don’t cave to what some of ur viewers want to hear thx for these vids man I enjoy it gives me a better perspective on things in the NBA world
CP3 has been on the wrong end of some historical collapses. He gets all the credit for the bump in win shares. Pat Bev was low-key right why do we overlook that he has lost in the playoffs as the 1 or 2 seed 4x I think. That's blowing homecourt advantage plus he is usually the favored team to win in each of those series. At least Harden was choking to the Warriors. Only favored when yup. With Chris Paul.
He is a consistent player, thats why every team he had has a better regular season stats. In the playoffs he retains that consistency but thats his weakness, compared to guys like curry or irving they can score 30-40 randomly and that is scary. Pat bev is salty that his clippers with PG13 lost to suns it shows how petty he is when he pushed cp3 in the back. People shouldnt listen to that twat speaking. No matter how good team record is you wont win in the playoffs if youre injured, or your team is having a bad game. Also this year's lost was ayton's fault. He looked small being outrebounded by luka. Can you expect your center to be rebounding 8 a game? No right The suns weakness is they rely on everyone having a decent game. If one of their stars is playing bad no one cant take that role
You literally watched a video where he explains he lost to teams he wasn’t favored to beat. Also we’re lower seeds or there were injuries to most teams he lost too.. you literally watched a video showing his teammates don’t show up and his luck being terrible wit getting injured
@@00Dom that teammate excuse is trash because when you look back, you always put the blame or credit mainly on the leader of the team. giannis literally had a historic series against the celtics this year in the playoffs but his teammates shot horribly. However, giannis is still being blamed because “he could’ve done more”
@@getbuckets9116 that’s the reality of the game but it shouldn’t be 🤷🏾♂️ it’s always the ppl who don’t play ball that make those standards for stars. Nobody has ever carried a team, it’s impossible
@@00Dom i agree that these people who don’t play always put these insane standards and act as if superstars are somehow super humans who can play for 48 minutes straight with no drop off in performance.
I think the fact that he always seems to be injured and when he isn't injured he doesn't meet post season expectations for me i know i can't reky on him in the playoffs
CP3’s problem is that he’s 6FT nothing. Iverson and Isiah Thomas were small too but they at least had a speed advantage. CP3 has average speed which means he plays strictly off of fundamentals. When you’re small and have zero physical advantages, you have to play harder than everyone else in order to compensate. This is why CP3 usually gasses out in the Playoffs or he ends up hurt.
The man is a great playmaker, an efficient scorer, a good ball handler, and his IQ is up there with the best. I wouldn't call that "6ft nothing". Also, he's shown that you don't always need speed and athleticism to be great.
Young MVP candidate Chris was blowing past guys he wasn’t Westbrook or Rose but he was a great athlete. Dudes like 37 even Lebron has lost a few step he was just so much faster and stronger that it’s not as noticeable
Nah Harden is over CP3 in this one Chris isn’t going to escape being called a chocker but James has definitely fumbled the bag on way more occasions than Paul. But Your top 3 is accurate & the Username checks out Bingo on this comment 😂 ah see what I did there
Idk man. I am seeing a lot of defense for CP3. What he has done this year was inexcusable. The years where he was hurt for close out games I don’t hold against him. I can’t help if his hamstring turns into a problem. However I keep seeing people defending CP3 on this year. I don’t get it. Booker choked absolutely no question. But look at this blown lead. Look at the bullying of the Suns the Mavs put on. If LOW, who I can tell loves CP3 from past videos and streams I’ve watched, can say he played a part in the choking of the series there has to be some truth in it.
Was CP3 and his teams unlucky with injuries? Yes Was CP3 favored in all his series? Not all the time Did CP3 have good playoff games? Yes Did CP3 have bad playoff games? Yes The thing is whenever CP3 has bad games, it comes in the worst times possible. Those simply outweigh those other good performances that he has had especially for someone who hasn't won a championship
@@jemirtoussaint7360 I mean he set a high standard for himself so he should be disappointed in his recent showings. That being said, if he really was bugged by a hamstring injury, there isn't much he could have done
@@jemirtoussaint7360 so everyone can be overly critical of Harden Westbrook Kyrie even Lebron at times but we draw the line at the CP3? I don't understand you people
If you look at the number of leads lost then yeah you gotta say he is. But simply just for my opinion I put Harden above EVERYONE. In alot of CP3 meltdowns it seems as if he just isnt playing all that great. Whereas Harden? Its like he either gives up or is simply swallowed by the moments.
The question has to be asked “how far can you go and what can you reasonably expect with a superstar small guard”. Outside of Isaiah Thomas, CP is the most accomplished small guard in league history. In my opinion CP is the best floor raiser ever but he is just to small to be the best player on a championship team unless everything around him is literally perfect. Ex. Stephen Curry in the warrior system
@@rence5785 the team wins no championships with Draymond Green, and Andre Igoudala. They were primarily ball movers. The. system is based on ball movement, trust, and defense(when they have good defenders on the roster) Steph is the focal point of the system run but is not the system
@@Skyepuppies they won 15 games without steph dude. And that ball movement happens because of steph's gravity. His off ball movement attracts 2 people almost all the time. They were also the 4th seed before steph got hurt last yr, then GS fell to the 10th seed while he's out and still carried the team to the 8th seed.
Honestly CP is more accomplished than Thomas, only thing IT has is 2 rings, which is the main thing players play for but looking at their accomplishments CP has definitely done more
The first series is on a slant!!! You failed to mention David West had 2 30 point games that series or CP3 inability to guard Tony Parker. Or the fact that NO won the division that year and split 2-2 with San Antonio. David West outplayed Tim Duncan. They just blew their chance! Stop softening what it was!
i understand the take and i love low but even still i think at some point we have to hold the player accountable for not being healthy when your team needs you the most. i find it crazy that we only put the injury context on the players we like. if you like bron, k love nd kyrie was hurt. if you like curry, he was hurt in 2016 and dray got ejected and their big was hurt. if you like kawhi, we havent seen a complete clippers team yet someone is always hurt
@@benjaminan1183 Paul George was hurt on and off almost all year he missed about 25 games Reggie Jackson only played 17 games for them and pat Bev was injured in the playoffs
@@lordquastheonly the sad part is Chris Paul was healthy enough to play u break a foot you’re not playing so if u can play I would expect you to perform I’m not gone keep saying well he’s hurt so he sucks cuz if it’s like that he shouldn’t play
That was two games. How did he perform in the other four? E.g. His turnover at the end of Game 5 directly led to the Suns losing that game, so *in that particular case* it wouldn't have mattered if he dropped even another 70-piece beforehand. Plus the Bucks as a squad showed up on defense in a way the Suns didn't, not just Giannis unlocking God Mode like Goku with Ultra Instinct. 🤷♂️
You didn’t mention 2019 against GSW when KD got hurt and he played mid at best. 2017 despite the fact griffin got hurt, he had a chance to at least win the series, but he folded in game 7. 2012 he got destroyed by San Antonio and played like trash. I personally don’t blame booker as much because he is still somewhat young and cp gets all the credit when they win so he deserves criticism when they lose
Consistently being Injured when you’re needed the most Is choking. And yes I know Injuries happen but at what point do we let that be the excuse every time ?
Even if you can back up that Chris Paul isn't exactly a playoff choker, it still doesn't change anything about his legacy. People aren't looking into how Chris Paul's performed in those series. They are just going to look at the fact that Chris Paul blew those leads and make their assumptions around that. It's sad and I don't exactly agree with that mentality but it is what it is.
How often you hear this argument of "they were up 2:0.". Everyone knows the series starts when both teams played at home. Its completely normal to have a standing of 2:0 after 2 games as the team with home court advantage 😂😂
As a clippers fan myself that 2015 series stung really really stung because imagine that conference finals during that time the one team that could give Golden State a significantly hard time was the Clippers that could have easily gone to 7 games and possibly history would have been written a little differently because the clippers during that time could have prevailed But history is written by the victor and Houston what's the victor in that series
@@EyeEmEl Plz re read my comment. Im a clippers fan. Blake Griffen been bitching about CP3. He only passes to easy assist guys. He ain't no Nash or even Rubio with the pass game. We had a lot of tools that he never leveraged because easy shovel passes help him when it come to contract negotiations. Look at the roster and see who we had. We had the one of the deepest benches in the league at the time. However how can u ask for men to do something in the playoffs that they never did in the regular season. CP3 always being injured is usually due to him doing to much. He had support n wasted with the clippers. Cliff Paul has always fooled a lot of people. I dont expect u to agree, just saying my piece.
Chris Paul will never win a ring as a starter in the NBA. I know that's pretty obvious, but it seems like some people still think that he is the "Best point guard ever" 😆 🤣 😂
Good nuanced dive! I agree on the key points. One point of disagreement is regarding injury, which is the mostly the responsibility of the player. The all-time PG's above CP3 (Magic, Stockton, Isiah, and Oscar; Kidd and Payton are debatable) did not breakdown physically in key playoff moments when needed by their teams (certainly, not on multiple occasions).
@@urbaindelva7869 relying on CP3 to show up is like banking on a role player to explode. He's hella inconsistent. If only he gets greedy with scoring,he could have a title already. Only Magic won a title being a pass-first PG.
How is being injured = "disappearing"? He has little to no control of when and how he'll get injured. What he _does_ have control over is when he's playing like 💩, and for that he _should_ be catching flak.
This video screams "I'm a CP3 fan." When the warriors blew a 3-1 lead, they were criticized, Especially Steph. When the Thunder blew a 3-1 lead to that same Warriors team, KD and Westbrook were criticized. If we're not gonna be consistent with Chris Paul, we shouldn't be critical towards these stars at all.
Really good video and one that actually gives us some proper analysis. Honestly so many of these RU-vidrs are streets ahead of the dross on ESPN and other tv talk shows. Just for the record, at least CP3 gets into the position to choke. Pat Bev ain't talking any team close to a deep playoff run.
@@thuggwaffle8825 people talk about CP3 like hes worse than Harden. Harden regularly disappears in the playoffs but where were the videos and hate crusades?
Harden's "choker" label has been overexaggerated too imo. Not gonna say he's had great moments, but some of his bad ones weren't as bad as people think.
TMac isn't too far behind in my view. Came up small in 03 with the Magic against the Pistons after being up 3-1. Lost game 7 putting up a putrid 21 pts in the most important game of the season. Same thing again in 05 with the Rockets after being up 2-0 against the Mavs losing game 7 by 40, and again up 2-0 with Rockets against the Jazz losing game 7 at home after leading the series 3-2 even. It happens. Things happen, circumstances are involved, it is what it is. Not everyone gets an NBA Championship in their career, and it doesn't diminish what they've done for the game. CP3, I'm sure, will retire one day feeling unfulfilled somewhat without winning a ring but in no way will leave any doubt that he gave it everything he had, and that I can appreciate.
I feel like another player that should be more criticized is Kevin Durant. That man has done absolutely nothing in the playoffs except for when he was on the warriors.
CP3 averages around 22/9/5 with 55% FG in his over 30 career closeout games. He really only had like 5-6 bad games in his career and people call him a choker.
Because you will only get a handful of actual championship chances. Closing out the 35 win Pelicans is not impressive it's what you're expected to do, it's when you're facing an equal opponent that matters. Plus Chris Paul is supposed to "make everyone around him better" where did that go in the playoffs
Means nothing if he didn't hit the big shots at the right times, which obviously he didn't! Can't fool real fans by just throwing out numbers, they need some context to be completely accurate
As a Bucks Fan, I'd say he's not a playoff choker. No team led solely by a Small Guard, (aside from Curry & Isiah) has won a championship. Chris Paul took the Suns to the Finals and ran into the 2nd or 3rd Best Player of our Generation Giannis Antetokounmpo. This Year he choked & Gassed out, just like 2015, but aside from a few blips, he's been a good playoff performer to his standards.
@@tecs513 hes 6 foot on a good day. you're telling me there's not a big difference in someone thats 6 ft vs 6'3? or how about someone thats 6'6 vs 6'9?
I think that it's a mixed bag when it comes to Chris Paul. Like you can say that it's only three series, but I guess the question is whether or not you can define that as enough to be considered choking. Lebron had 2011 and he's never really lived that down. That's the only series that he's really choked in unless you count 2021 where I mean he did kind of give up, and don't quote me on this, but he still got decent numbers, right? Curry has consistently been really clutch except for one series, and he's also been labeled a career choker. I guess my thing is that I really don't get why some players are chokers and others aren't. Like Dame will get swept by Curry while severely underperforming, but Dame is way more clutch? PG and Kawhi both choked in 2020, but only one of them got hate for it? People meme the hell out of Embiid for being a choker, but he's been the only dude for how many years to consistently perform on that team? You know I mean other than Butler, but they traded his ass anyways in what will probably go down as one of the bigger regularly scheduled Philly Ls in history. We don't really even have a definition of choking, so how are we supposed to know what it means?
I remember watching CP3 when he used to be with LAC. I like him as a player as he's a legit baller. However seeing him leave LA and go from team to team only to always come up short says something. He's not that guy that makes everyone around him better. Yeah he can score and get assists but when it really matters he just folds. The past two years were his best shots at a title and ring imo. The team he has had in Phoenix was probably one of the best supporting cast, scorers, defenders and solid bench and a guy who is a scoring machine in Devin Booker. I get that you get passionate about what you love but sometimes he comes off sounding and looking like an asshole to his team. The one thing he did with Booker and actually the whole team was underestimate Dallas. I didn't have Dallas going to the finals or winning a chip this year, but I knew they were still dangerous enough to rally back. Be humble, true to yourself and be the best you can be for you and your team. He's had a great career and is a HoF no question about it. Can I say he's a better PG than say Stephen Curry? No at least not in my book. I might have Dame ahead of him but that last one is probably bias as I love Dame Lillard lol
It’s so hard to admit he’s a choker for me but I think it’s true, I have been the guy making every excuse for cp3 when his teams implode… even in this last series vs the mavs I was telling everyone the suns would win and chris would bounce back. It’s a tough pill to swallow he’s been my my favorite player for over a decade.😩 TLDR: I need a hug😩😩
waiting for the re-upload ... it's a good convo ... Wilton, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor... Nash, Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone... I don't know... just throwing some names out there
@@benjaminan1183 because he was never able to translate his fantastic regular season play into postseason success, even with the best team record and MVP seasons under his belt.
The only thing I'm gonna say is this: I WHOLLY reject this idea that if a player gets hurt in the playoffs, while already being injury prone, that we should give said player a pass.. Because that's in and of itself a "factor of greatness", availability IS a factor of greatness. If it was an iron man like Jokic for example, then sure, but not in the case of players such as CP3, AD and Embiid etc, cuz THEY'RE ALWAYS HURT. That's what they do... so yeah, that's absolutely a knock on them in my book.
Your going to blame someone for not being physically able to play the game. If you want to use this argument players like Lebron, Kobe, Bird, and magic get knocked down on that all time list this isnt 2k were you can just turn injuries off
@@lordquastheonly What an absurd comparison. CP3 doesn't exist in the same stratosphere as any of those players you mentioned. The "worst" player of that bunch is probably Bird and he's literally done 10x more in the NBA than CP3. And I don't avaluate players in hypotheticals or assumptions, I avaluate them for what they actually accomplish (or in CP3's, what they don't accomplish).
In the 1958 finals Bill Russell went down in game 3. All Bob Cousy needed to do was win 2 games. In the next 3 games he shot 37% from the field and lost the finals to the Hawks.
In my opinion Harden is the biggest playoff choker in NBA History. Unlike Paul he isn’t been injured for most of the series. His stats are worse in the playoffs then regular season and even worse in close out or elimination games.
