Is it okay to do In Vitro Fertilization? 

For some reason people are unable or unwilling to realize the logic of: if an embryo is a human, then discarding a less desirable embryo is discarding a less desirable human. And thus, IVF is passed off as being some harmless exercise to help people get pregnant.

Can they be donated

@@donstevensii7293 Yes, they can be donated. I have actually been through the process. It’s interesting that those who are the loudest against it are men when I feel they have the least knowledge (unless medical doctors) about this process or a women’s reproductive system

@@KristenOckertFineArt question for you, well I pray you can ease our minds. So we are older, but in the final stages of IVF. They fertilized 6 eggs as was their policy so I told them from the beginning a year ago, if we fertilized 6 and got 6 that made it to the blast stage which is making it to be able to transfer, then if all 6 made it this far, then we would have 6 children to raise PERIOD. so we found ourselves in the strange position of in some way not wanting to have that many if possible but still prayed that each one would make it if that was God's will. Now we just got the news that of those 6, there is 1 that is ok. So we get 1 chance. This is the outcome we kinda hoped would be the result but would leave it in God's hands. So now, the scenario worked out to only one and that is a blessing but my question is what about the 2 that didn't quite make it to day 5, or the other 2 that didn't make it past day 2, or the one that didn't ever fertilize. Are those lives that we created and are now gone

Oh and we also made it clear we were NEVER going to do the genetic screen on ANY viable. This is because it would not impact our decision in any way so why do it? I feel anything we create whether started in the lab then transferred on Day 6 to Mommy, any life was indeed alive and our child. I just don't know if I should be relieved that we have only 1 of the 6 we tried to fertilize that made it to Day 5. Should I have a feeling either way, I mean if all 6 made it we would no doubt have 6. That would have been a strain but qe are the ones that chose to play the numbers game to get at least one .

Thank you

yes, but you are infertile....

The very process of assisted reproduction by IVF will produce lost conceptions. You don't believe the zygote or early embryo is already a human being?

Yes but this doesn’t mean it’s moral. The IVF industry kills a ridiculous amount of humans to achieve their goal- how is that moral?

​@@user-qx6ly1fm9s Simple biology destroys the belief that the zygote or early embryo is already a human being since 2 or more human beings can come from the same conception/zygote.

With that understanding... Is it wrong to take pain killers to cure a head ache, is it wrong to undergo medical surgery to have a tumour removed? Should we instead just pray the cancer out instead of taking treatment?

Dorcas Dhiran Do you think taking Advil is comparable to creating a human life?

@@kutie216 Nope but the idea of introducing /using man made means (in this case medical) to achieve a result in both cases are thesame. While I do agree that ppl should be cautious in electing to undergo certain medical procedures (including IVF) I don't think the idea that it somehow amounts to helping God is true or a valid & sufficient one because there 're various ways in which people may be said to be doing that hence the examples I gave!! The child is still being created by the fusion of the parents' egg & sperm cell which is natural (it's not human cloning for instance). Only the means by which it reaches the womb is different.

Dorcas Dhiran Yeah I see what you mean. I'm not 100% sure on where I stand on the issue yet. I think the main qualm I have is the fact that there are thousands of embryos created that will eventually be destroyed, for lack of use, or used for research. I believe it is unethical to use human embryos and aborted babies to be used for research. If there is some way to only create the embryos needed it could potentially be more ethical than it currently is.

@@kutie216 do you believe in vaccination?

think in adoption in Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2

Lep P, Wrong 1. God is the source of all our resources, so it’s not our money. And 2. Our bodies are His temple, so we’re not suppose to use it and do with it whatever’s please. That’s why the judgement will be great. Lord help us all.

I'm not a doctor, so take this for what it's worth, but I can't help but think there may be very good reason that a woman's body is not able to get pregnant. If we are bypassing our own body in this way, it makes me wonder if that alone is a reason that would make it unethical and/or sinful. For me personally, it would be a violation of my own conscience to do IVF for this reason, but also because having embryos in a lab somewhere seems wrong. Having a bunch of your own children most of whom would never be birthed stored away in a freezer somewhere...no, I just can't agree with this. Instead, adopt the children who are here and need our help.

What's often forgotten is HALF of infertility cases are caused by the male...

@@bananavage Thank YOU 👏👏

The IVF argument is incomprehensible to me. Here, two people who are unable to have a child without it, are able to bring children INTO the world because of it, but that isn’t good enough. This argument has no standing because if we wanted to truly see every woman’s egg as precious and life giving then women should not even have periods, because we lose that unfertilized egg every month for at least 35 years. That is 12x35 = 420 eggs in a woman’s lifetime that get ejected from her body and are never used except for those 2-3 times she *might* get pregnant. I had IVF, I only got about 20 eggs out of it. 10 that were viable, 5 that ended up being fertilized and 2 embryos in the end. One has been born and baby #2 is patiently waiting to be awaken soon. IVF has been a miracle for those unable to produce naturally. My baby truly is a miracle because my husband was going to lose his fertility after chemo treatments for a very rare and quick spreading cancer he had. I will stand by IVF all the way!

I thought it was thoughtful and considerate. I myself have struggled with this question.

Sometimes there doesn't have to be a genetic reason why a married couple "can't" have children or there ARE reasons why they can't, but they were able to conceive anyway. With that being said, me and my husband are adopting through foster care. I think we try to take control, rather than relying on God and giving Him control. In the end only He knows what's best.

@@jenniferferris9061 I hear you but I was talking about people who literally can’t have children naturally because of a genetic distinction. So apart from adoption (of any kind) (which in France is really hard, that’s were I am and live actually), what can this couples do? Thank you anyway for your answer.

@@Clothilde7 there's a reason why that genetical thing is there, sounds harsh but when you can't have them then don't have them but adopt, nature had to form another way of natural selection because in first world countries there's no natural selection anymore That's behavioral science

Yes, it is God's will that you are childless. Don't second guess God. Adopt, or do something good with your life.

@@greggrimer1428 First of all: « RUDE!!! ». And it’s not because I can’t have a child that I’m not going on with my life. That’s quite a strange assumption. I’m not second guessing nor trying to overpower the ability of God. I just try to understand His plan. Because having a child is not a hobby, it’s like a priesthood. But thank you for your advice anyway.

Michael McDaniel Actor, Voice Actor, & Clean Comedian Many today are thinking through and discussing the issue of women in leadership in the church; and many churches are even ordaining women for pastoral ministry. Some of the largest Christian denominations believe Scripture permits church leaders to be either male or female. Perhaps you attend or have visited one of those churches and are wondering what the Word of God teaches on this topic. Knowing specifically what ministries God intends women to perform in the church can be a challenge. For instance, can a woman teach the Bible in a high school or college Bible club meeting? Should men read Bible-study books, commentaries, or theology books written by women? Is a woman permitted to lead and teach in the church youth group or lead the singing in the main service? Many people also wonder why women who are just as gifted and productive as men shouldn’t be allowed to use their abilities in the church. Some women are able to teach, preach, and lead better than many men. Why should we not let them bless the church in those ways? These are important and challenging questions, and Scripture gives us clear principles to follow as we answer them. While the ministry of women is essential to the church’s proper working and health, only men are given the responsibility to serve as pastors and elders. Although Scripture is quite clear on this point, there are many individuals, churches, and denominations that choose to disobey the Lord’s will in this regard and allow women to function in pastoral and teaching roles. But God’s church will be blessed and will honor Him only as it follows the plan He has revealed in the Bible. The clearest biblical teaching on this issue is found in 1 Timothy 2:12: “But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.” This command comes in a section of 1 Timothy which teaches about the functioning of a local church. Some people believe when the apostle Paul wrote that a woman should not “teach or exercise authority over a man,” he was conforming to a unique situation in the city of Ephesus or to the cultural value system of the time, but that is not the case. Notice in the next verse Paul refers back to God’s original design for man and woman: “For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve” (1 Timothy 2:13). This proves God wants His created design of male leadership and female submission in the family to extend into the functioning of the church. On certain issues, the concerns and goals of the modern feminist agenda are in agreement with God’s standards. For instance, they agree women should not be discriminated against in the workplace but should be afforded equal opportunities with men. They also rightfully condemn violence against women. At the same time, however, the modern feminist movement frequently contradicts Scripture regarding the roles of women. For instance, some of the key goals of feminism are to protect a woman’s right to abort her baby, to affirm lesbianism, and to promote the idea that there is no distinction between men and women’s leadership roles in the family and the church. These contradictions with God’s Word are not incidental but evidence a fundamental error in feminist philosophy which can be traced back to the original fall of mankind into sin. The events recorded in Genesis 3 explain how the feminists’ opposition to God’s plan began. When God created Adam and Eve, He designed a productive and perfect balance between the nurturing leadership of a man and the supportive following of a woman in marriage. After God created Adam, He said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him” (Genesis 2:18). A few verses later we read how God created Eve: “So the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he slept; then He took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh at that place. The Lord God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, ‘This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.’ For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh” (Genesis 2:21-24). When Adam and Eve sinned, God’s perfect plan was perverted by the depravity in the hearts of men and women. Adam sinned by stepping out from under God’s authority when he ate the divinely forbidden fruit, and Eve chose to reject the authority of both Adam and the Lord. One of the consequences of their sin was the corruption of the complementary relationship between man and woman. Genesis 3:16 records what the Lord told Eve: “Yet your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” The desire Eve would have toward Adam is not a good kind of desire but a desire to conquer or overcome. You can see this in Genesis 4:7 where the same word describes what sin would do to Cain: “Sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it” [emphasis added]. From that time on, one of the expressions of sin in women would be the tendency to break out of God’s intended supporting and following role. At the same time, men’s sinful tendency would be to neglect their responsibility to love and lead their wives, dominating them instead. God’s perfect plan can be implemented and enjoyed in marriages and churches only when sinners receive new hearts of humility and obedience. It is only when men and women submit to God’s way that they will experience the greatest blessing. The differing roles of men and women in marriage and the church should not lead us to believe there is any kind of inequality personally or spiritually between the genders. In the Word of God the principles of gender equality and women’s submission exist side by side. Genesis 1:26-27 reads, “Then God said, ‘Let Us make man in our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.’ God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” Men and women are created equally with a likeness to God. They share dominion over all creation and are both commanded to rule over it. The second chapter of Genesis contains a more detailed recounting of the creation of Adam and Eve in which we see the divinely ordained functional ordering of leadership and submission between man and woman. Adam was created first (2:7), and Eve was created later in order to be a complement and helper to him (2:20-23). It is this creation order Paul mentions to support God’s intention for male leadership in the church (1 Timothy 2:13). This is the reason why the roles of pastors and elders are limited to men in the church.

Lindsay K 40 is not old. If you so desire, go get married and have kids .

Gia Bella, remember that at 40, Lindsay may or may not already be going through menopause. She would know. Lindsay K, I hurt with you for the pain of your lost goals. Remember that the Lord may yet have you marry and then have either biological children or adopted children. If he has you remain single, he may have you be like a mother to many others.

Maam may be you need to rethink your goals ie how does not having kids and being 40 taking you to heaven!!!! Or are you consumed with that that its takes you from the kingdom of God

@@giabella4388 what if she can get pregnant still but can't get married because no one will care about her and be willing to marry her?

If I were your age again, I'd save money to have my eggs frozen ASAP, for when the right man comes along in the future. They don't extract them after 50 I think. I think from 51 til 53 IVF is only done with donor eggs.

In the process of IVF fetuses are created but only one will be needed in the end, the other embryos will be dumped for science, or just straight in the bin It's just like abortion

Nothing in the Bible, the Church fathers or the teaching of Christianity in the past suggests God would understand no. A single person's desire to have a baby does not trump the baby's right to two parents and God's demand that people marry before having babies. Fornication is now normalised, so is masturbation, but historically these have always been grevious sins.

@@mrsgolden6526 you can donate your embryo to another family to use.

@@mananana1911 yes but how many embryos are there just frozen for eternity because there's simply no "use" for them anymore

Children deserve two parents, no adult deserves children

No, still human life.

I see, just doubting/wondering since it is not normal way. Thanks

I’m not trying to be overly hateful, but you have serious issues with superstition and lack of critical thinking skills. You’re literally wondering if a child is born as a human shell because traditional sex wasn’t involved. Oh my God.

The motives are not the same. Abortion is murder. Those that commit that act intend to destroy life. In IVF, there is the intent to sustain life. It is not an apples to apples comparison. My wife had ovarian cancer. She survived. She had a partial hysterectomy where she kept her uterus. We have a daughter because of IVF. Equating abortion and IVF as both being murder is not correct. We are Christians. We are against abortion. Are there some moral questions that must be addressed with IVF? Absolutely! But I disagree that it is murder.

​@@remonel2354 motives!! Are you a nut. Destroying life is destroying life

Your creating a child, that is literally life,

that is because Christians are Christian only by their name! most of the parents who choose IVF are Christians, so he does not want to put all of them against him! this is cowardice when speaking about God s truth. say it bluntly or do not say it.

@@RaphaellyRaphaelly-KalimbaHike thank you. You are a breath of fresh air in a world full of religious fakes

Seems typical for the Southern seminary. They don't want to make anyone mad or hurt feelings. They are a corrupt organization sadly.

@@hebrews11vs5 yeah look go natural lose weight and have the baby do not do IVF this guy is wrong say fake

I agree.

That's what I would say too, because even biologically seen there are reasons why some people just aren't as fertile as others, it has something to do with "healthy" or dominant genes Some genes just shouldn't be passed down to another generation

What's missing here is HALF the time infertility is caused by the male... Also, I wonder if people's comments would be different if they struggled with infertility themselves.... one can say "if it was me I would..." but until you walk this journey, you'll have no idea how you'll feel...

What about paying a woman who wanted abortion to give birth and place for adoption

@@bananavage I would adopt a ton of kids but the dumping of embryos not needed anymore is just like abortion so if you're against abortion you can't be for IVF 🤷‍♀️

@@bananavage thank you.

@@mrsgolden6526 in reality very few embryos are discarded. It takes an average of 3 rounds of IVF for 1 successful pregnancy. Usually 4-6 embryos make it per round. Just like in real life the embryos that don't stick or last are essentially miscarriages because of issues a couple might have. If a couple wanted, they could easily use all their embryos and have a reasonable amount of kids. Or more likely, 1 or 2...

Are you implying that God doesn't want some couples to conceive?

@@rebekahboswell6430 they might be tested in their faith. remember Abraham and Sara? and then again, when God does not want some couples to conceive it is His will. His will is based on knowledge of many things. He knows something you cannot know. And you must accept His will. If not, then that is the point where your Christianity stumbles and falls. Remember, at least Abraham had a first child with a woman, naturally. IVF is something else. IVF is playing GOD. And the price is huge. Because when someone mingles into His creation, God stops it with infertility and sterility. That is how all plants and animals that are not conceived according to its kind and seed end up. Sterile. And that is what will happen to humans. Apart from the fact that these babies, could have in them, apart from 3 dna s if you do not know (which cannot be according to God s creation), who knows what some people, can put as dna in these embryos. I really do not wish to know. I would never accept to have IVF. But god made us all free in our will, yet, the price to pay for our disobedience will be paid bitterly.

Actually, there's a significant adoption movement among Christians, but adoptions are often cussedly difficult, involving tons of paperwork. In addition, international adoptions are becoming rarer as more and more countries restrict adoptions to parents from other countries. Personally, I think adoptions should be made easier, because there are so many orphans out there who need families, and there are so many wonderful couples out there who are willing to provide orphans with the love and care they need.

Same for foster care. Some people, don't want "a used car". 😒

I know it's old comment. Adoption process is not an easy process. Bureaucracy.

It would seem this guy said adoption is wrong. He said that marriage is “one flesh“ and that you should not use a sperm donor or a donor egg to conceive A child because it would only be the biological child of one parent. So wouldn’t it be worse to adopt when the child is biologically neither? That would make sense. This guy’s views are completely inconsistent. He’s taking his own beliefs and he is shoehorning it into the Bible.

It actually is less expensive to go through IVF than adoption.

think in adoption In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2

it isn't lol

Christianity is facts, it goes along with science since God created science. Men just alter science (Darwin's theory). Jesus made everything you, me, them. And died for us on the cross for our sins as the Son of God. He rose 3 days later, beating death. He paid our sins so we could be forgiven if we turn from them and ask. Watch "A Letter From God" on RU-vid ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZsBhvSMQUk4.html God bless!

@@S_u_n_Flower_ 😒

@@S_u_n_Flower_ No, Christianity is a theory with little, to no, evidence to back it up. A book for man, written by man, is not evidence. God did not write it. You also can’t even get your hands on the original books of the Bible. A lot of the originals are missing, some books only have parts, others are so worn and torn that it’s nearly impossible to read and translate. So, that means there is almost zero proof that anything said in the Bible was actually said. And god didn’t write the Bible by speaking to man... If he did, some of the disciples would not have been contradicting his age at death. If God were speaking to them about what to write, all their stories would be the exact same. But all the books explain things and stories differently. You also can’t claim it as proof when the original text was lost in translation hundreds of times over the years. Meaning, what you think it says could mean something extremely different. Let’s also not forget there are many denominations who use many different versions of the Bible, and they can not all agree on the proper translations and what is taught. With that said, If the Bible is your evidence, it can not be trusted. So what other evidence is there? God hasn’t spoken to anyone like her did Mary or Adam and Eve. Or when he spoke to Moses? Or Noah? Why did he only do stuff like that then and not now? There’s zero evidence or logic.

Martin Růžička Truth by nature is exclusive. And by the way, if you ask other religions, each one will say they are true and others are false. Each one claims exclusivity. Jesus Christ said “ I am the the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to God except by me” He is who he truly claims to be. He confirmed it by the nature of his birth , the life that he lived, all the miracles he did. He predicted the nature of his death and that he would rise again, which he did. To top it all, all of these were predicted by the prophets over centuries before his birth. No other religion can measure up to these facts. PS: Christianity is really not a religion but a relationship with God through Christ. May God reveal to you the Light of the Knowledge of His Glory in Christ Jesus, Amen.

@@mach7476 I agree with most of what you say, but Christianity is a religion. Christianity practice correctly & biblically is true religion. I used to think the same way that Christianity is a relationship with is true, but we all have a relationship with God, just that some are not going to like the outcome of it at the end of the age. The world has a rebellious relationship to God.

Many books woild fill the volume to state why Christianity is true and exclusive. Through science, history, philosophy and prophetic power. The most powerful and bullseye is in the prophetic power. Prophecy not just generalised but specific and to the letter, and days

One of the more oblique reasons I find Christianity superior to other faiths is the fact that the Bible is way more impressive than any other so-called "holy book" out there. Most if not all holy books I'm aware of were written by one person over a period of a few months or years while the Bible has about 40 different writers writing over a period of about 1500 years and yet is very cohesive and consistent in its overall testimony.

The short answer would be no.

So is getting treatment for any illness. If you believe this, you shouldn’t seek medical care.

@@brittanyrebellino9290 no if you are trying to care for you body that is a good thing! If you are intentionally destroy and redesigning the body that is Not. Self harm is wrong even I'd it's culturally exceptable. Also if we cam intentionally destroy our body and redesign sex we always can, hence why we are in a crazy mess in our culture right now. Christians are arguing the redesigning sex is okay and the same time as arguing its not and that creation is the line(argument aginst transgendarism). Crazy part Christians don't even keep the line at creation. We are Fearfully and Wonderfully Made.

@@LauraJohnson-to7vp So any type of organ donation is a sin. So is blood donation. Any kind of corrective surgery. I hope your appendix doesn't rupture or your gall bladder. All of this is 'intentionally destroying and redesigning the body'. So is a stent for a heart attack, lens implants for cataracts, joint implants for hips and knees. All IVF is doing is replicating a natural process - just like a hip implant . God gave us the ingenuity and the desire to be healers. If that weren't so, then Jesus would never have healed the sick. He would have told them to be content with their leprosy, their lameness, their blindness. We cannot do all our healing through prayers and miracles, sometimes it means simply using the intelligence and skill that God ALSO gave us gifts.

No,ivf isn't redesigning anything. It's taking what you already have and giving you more of a chance to have a baby,what your supposed to do

Are you a fallen one?

think in adoption In Central America, Latin America and Africa where woman have 3,4,5,6 children usually from different fathers, this woman alone and marriage can`t provide even food to their children entire families live on streets, or inhuman condition and usually the mother is pregnant again. I will kind you remember there every child you bring to the world may end in hell and there is no way you can`t guarantee they will go to heaven so you will be held accountable for their eternal torture in hell and damnation for the children you bring to the world...2

How cruel to compare bringing a child into this world to the REAL reason God removed them from the Earth.

I'd love to talk more with u. We are on the brink of purchasing eggs

@@a.39886 That is a really racist reply. You bigot. In Colombia, South America, the population is decreasing by 0.5%, meaning that people are either having 2, 1 or 0 children. Read statistics online. They're easy to look up, instead of writing such ignorant bigotry.

Your using all your natural parts to create a child, if your God doesn't bless that child then your God had issues

ikr

"Christian Ethics", that's from start makes me thinking. This "ethics" bullshit term used by world to justify evil. Fit false into dead.

Actually that is God's permissive will not a curse with god witchcraft

In Sep 2014, I had my 1st miscarriage. In Oct 2014, I prayed to God that I really want a child badly, on the next month I was pregnant. Around 2016 I had another miscarriage, then we booked for IUI, but weeks before the surgery, I found out I was pregnant, that's my 2nd child ( I did pray about it). In 2019, I had 2 other miscarriages, I then planned for my 3rd child hoping to book for IUI or IVF again, but me and my husband decided to fast (for the COVID 19) for 3 months (dinner only), and my whole family pray together for a baby almost every night, guess what, I am pregnant natural again now. Please trust God, he has better plans for you, never give up hope on God, he is real and he is the truth.

@@hc777 Amen!

@@hc777- I’m sure that you must not be taking your child or yourself to the doctor ever if you’re sick, right? Why not just pray the sickness away?

periods are wrong. comma,

It's right, period.

@@deathnote939393 if it was right it would happen naturally 😉

@@florida9728 so then everything that happens naturally is right? Or what is your point here?

@@deathnote939393 it’s unethical to go against nature and create life in a petri dish! I have friends who did that and they are so disconnected from their babies or have other health related issues. Not everything can be “fixed” by man.

No you can’t guarantee that buddy. Don’t limit God by your thoughts.

@@callum9500 Ask your Lord or Angel and see for yourself.

are you catholic? The catholic church the baby is still from God

@@pushuprizz Its not a religious issue, its a Universal principle of procreation.

The most authentic and real political commentator in America is a test test baby and has helped bring a lot of people to god. Don’t be so arrogant.