The best part about this episode is that Kate Mulgrew (who played Janeway) was quitting smoking. So the frustration and pain she was portraying was most likely real and lent itself perfectly to the episode.
Oh yes as someone who is a smoker who has tried and failed to quit, it’s a ball ache to quit, all you want is a cigarette, it all you can think about, you would do anything to light on up and get that heady feel.
I remember there's a whole episode about that. Harry Falls for some alien girl, and I think she mentioned she would expect Tom to get in this situation, but not Harry.
@john wheeler Nah there was a woman that was on a colony ship. Woman sabotaged it because of the two major political factions were always at each others throats. Harry was madly in love with the woman. They were so bonded that they said it could be fatal to separate them(For the woman's species, not for harry.), Janeway forced them too anyway. One of the side effects was Harry looking like a glow stick at times.
Janeway is my favourite of all the ST captains. Empathetic and compassionate on one hand and on the other hand if she needed to be captain then dam ... she was captain!
If I remember rightly, this is the episode where unseen aliens are performing messed up experiments on the crew, and there are a whole lot of out-of-phase needles stuck in her head, so she's pissed off and in a lot of pain. I think she showed remarkable restraint, all things considered. ;)
Website guy they do, they just suppress them. Sometimes his disdain bleeds out. Other actors and extras portraying them were robotic, which goes against the Vulcan who struggles throughout their lives to keep emotions in check.
+Website guy actually vulcan's do have emotions they just usually suppress them. This scene right here you can clearly see Tuvok showing emotion, because you can literally see Tuvok rolling his eyes
blockmasterscott Hahhahaha!! LoL This must be one of those moments when emotional control of Vulcans ain't sufficient. As Tuvok said upon his promotion " Some of you I have come to respect. Others I have come to tolerate." Surely Paris falls in the latter category. 😁
For context, janeway has several invisible needle like alien devices literally going through her skull. Her dopamine, adrenaline, norepinephrine and probably many other brain chemicals are being deliberately and artificially dialed up to 11 to study her behaviour. Also the rest of the crew are having equally terrible and fatal experiments do to them unknowingly and unwilling. Also Kate Mulgrew quite smoking as this episode was filmed and yes, she used some method acting of kicking years of nicotine addiction to help her performance. Interestingly, quitting smoking is now known to cause brain chemicals like dopamine to fluctuate alongside many others, so in an approximate manner of speaking, Kate Mulgrew was practically living with the same migrains, tensions, anxiety, stress and chemicql inbalance her character Janeway was. She's a true actor ❤
She'd hate being captain of my two ships in the Navy On one ship, I think we had at least four couples go to NJP for fraternization and/or infidelity against their spouses 😂
I love the VOY crew because they act like real co-workers. I imagine this can happen to any workplace, when the boss finds out some 'office romance' is affecting morale, and has to read the riot act to the culprits lol.
Navy vet here and honestly, same. Buddy of mine worked in Engineering and had to use a spray bottle on two of the folks from his division banging in Aux 3 or something 😂 On another ship of mine, a married chick in my division was having an affair with a guy during our ship commission tour. Her husband finds out when she stupidly hands him her phone and it got out bc they live on base housing & base police got involved. Homegirl was always flapping her jaws about everyone's business g the guy she was fucking was a nasty ass piece of work, so it couldn't have happened to two more deserving people, especially when the more senior person was about to be pinned to Chief Petty Officer the week it came out.
Great actress, she does a great job at making the audience feel like she's scolding us too, but not out of being unkind but out of love. Janeway reminds me of that one aunt or female figure in your life that doesn't take crap that some people mistake as mean but actually is just someone who has to take on a lot of responsibilities.
I don't think she was being too harsh or being nasty at all. If two of my senior officers were showing that much PDA while ON DUTY--which they were---I'd have said the exact same thing that she did. Those two are professionals. They're expected to act like it. Anywhere else, they'd have been fired. Now, if I had known that their hormones were being messed with by aliens-which Janeway did NOT at this time--it would have been a different story.
Cpt Janeway wasn't against any of her crew pursuing relationships. But those relationships had to be kept off duty, not between department head/First officer and subordinate, nor could they interfere with the running of the ship. Torres and Paris being together is OK because she's in charge of engineering, and he's the helmsman. However, Janeway and Chakotay could never have a relationship because she's the captain, and he's her first officer.
This scene at 0:54 is Kate Mulgrew's best performance as Janeway because that shit felt real. Not like an angry Captain, but like a mom who is just fucking done with her idiot kids. Especially that "is that understood?". Especially since it's an inner rage which is very hard to fake in acting. Angry people stomp and throw tantrums, but livid people just sit there literally paralyzed with rage and do very minimal low energy movements-and Janeway is fluent in that in this scene which makes it feel that much more genuine.
+Tris-Kathryn Prior If I remember the episode right, she's got a massive massive Alien-induced migraine and hasn't gotten any sleep. I would not want to me in the same room with her in that instance.
@hawkesbayboy1 It really is tough for me, between Janeway and Picard. They're both so incredible; but I think there's no doubt, at least in my mind, that Janeway went through a tougher situation than Picard ever did.
Mary [Profoundish] I think Picard gives a better speech & is the better diplomat, but Janeway has a much warmer personality and closer relationship with her crew. Can’t go wrong either way my two favorite captains as well
I think Picard had it harder in some ways. Not only did he get tortured for at least two weeks straight by the Kardashians, but he also got assimilated into the Borg collective for an indeterminate amount of time (long enough for him to participate in the destruction of at least one species). The difficulty that Janeway underwent was the fact that she was stuck out there for so long, not from individual scenarios. As for the N D's point, Picard would be the ethical Captain, Sisko would be the wartime Captain, and Janeway is the balance. All three are necessary in the situations that are presented to us in the three series' they're in.
@@SBabyFWIW, in that beta canon book "Mosaic" (considered to be the most semi official source on Janeway's background before her command of Voyager) she had been on the ground during the Cardassian wars that saw her being held in Cardassian prison with her father and first fiance dying on a mission she survived. There were any given number of points where she could went full Beckett Mariner (who I totes love too) and the fact she does not says a lot.
Jeffery's tubes are for dramatic intruder chase scenes, not sex. Just ask Tuvok, it's illogical to be knockin' boots in one of those things. You'll keep hitting your head.
This is one of those episodes where you need context for the whole episode in order to understand why she came down so hard on them. I checked this to make sure before posting, because this is an episode where there are aliens experimenting on the whole crew with needles and the like, and it's driving Janeway and the others crazy at this point, and making them do things to the extreme on levels that they normally wouldn't do.
If I remember right, Tom and B'lana were caught making out on the turbo lift. Any commanding officer would be pissed if two of his/her senior officers couldn't confine their displays of affection to their quarters.
I thought it was hilarious that they were acting like teenagers but you're right, there's a right time and place for everything. Even when I was younger, I never thought it appropriate to make out in public.
Why should subordinated officers show their affection only in their's commanding officer's quarters? Sorry but it looks a bit perverted to me! Just not OK.
These kind of things can be difficult to deal with when the walls of separation between personal and professional become affected. It does affect the other crew and it is not fair to them. Janeway was correct in chewing them out.
What's interesting is Tom and Torres are not noticing Janeway's unusual out of character short temperament towards them as they are so embarrassed and self aware Superb writing superb show
I know it's just the crappy encoding of a 15 year old RU-vid clip of a show shot on video in the 90s, but Tuvok looks like he rolled his eyes at Paris as he passed him.
This happened to me and my cute experience girlfriend back in Culinary School run like a Military Academy. Lol, The Dean was passed. Always maintain Professional Attire, Trust me, Valuable Life Lesson.
I don't think there was a single crew member (main characters) that didn't get a telling-off from the captain. I always wanted to also obey whatever she was ordering when she did these dressing downs! If she'd said "Go to your room!" I probably would have!
Janeway being a mom tending to her flocks. Considering the journey they were taking to go back to the Alpa Quadrant, Janeway has her perogatives to pry over her crews personal life.
This is what I love about captains like Janeway and Picard; They do not tolerate such immature shenanigans. If I was captain, I would confine those two delinquents to the brig for a few days if they really want to fool around that badly.
@@McMilesE because they have no taste lol Real talk, ENT was the show that got me into the door of Trek, but it was VOY (which was airing in syndication and happened to be the most easily accessible show to me when ENT went on the winter hiatus) that helped to round out my love for the bigger franchise. I had a phase of VOY sucks after watching TNG and DS9 but I'm recent years, I've come to accept that no, it isn't really that bad, even if it didn't get to realize all its potential due to network and/or exec producer interference. I've fallen back into watching it in light of the new Prodigy season (which I will stand on business to say is the one show in current Trek that absolutely nails the aspirational aspect that people loved about the original shows) and honestly? VOY holds up a lot better than people give it credit for. It's a nice middle ground between the professionalism porn of TNG and the messier dynamics of DS9 and it's not a surprise that it was the most streamed series on Netflix when it was available there (and of course, Kate Mulgrew starting in Netflix's biggest original show back when Netflix Originals weren't dog shit & cancelled after two seasons didn't hurt either)
I initially had my reservations about voyager, avoided watching it, was a hard core TNG fan. But I was the same with DS9, and through watching all seven seasons binge watching them over a week, i realised DS9 is THE best star trek of them all. you've got the most epic battle in star trek: the dominion's jem hadar, the breen and cardassians, vs the federation, romulan star empire and klingon empire, plus the spiritual story of the prophets in the wormhole which lets us get to know the bejorans more closely than we've ever got to know a star trek race, and second to the bajorans we get to know the cardassians really well too.. with captain sisko's character arc not just as commandier of deep space nine protecting the worm hole, but also his spiritual journey as the emissary to the prophets. as for voyager ive watched the caretaker first long episode and its brilliant. i didnt think i would like it because it was disconnected from the federation being 75 years away from the alpha quadrant on maximum warp, therefore missing the dominion war.when voyager is taken to delta quadrant it was the time of the maquis, pre dominion war. and nemesis film is set after voyager comes home. before seeing voyager i tolerated nemesis. now, i see it is a pile of crap, except the end scene as a goodbye to srr
Voyager gets even better in later seasons. It's my favorite ST series, and Ds9 is my second. I think that the character relationships are the best of all of trek, and the humor, no other series in the franchise makes me laugh more than this one. The ethical dilemmas and themes, when done well, are just as good as TNG. That's my opinion of course. Hope you keep enjoying it.
@BlahGrumpy You've got it right. And really, while she was a little harsher than was necessary she did have a point. They were sneaking around, making out while on duty, etc. It's no different than at the office. You maintain an air of professionalism until you're off, then the clothes can come off.
I actually rather like the slightly more authoritative approach. The purely cooperative approach worked well on TNG, but seemed a bit more hit and miss on Voyager. Although Janeway is a bit irritable, she's not demanding anything unreasonable here
When you get caught bumping uglies at work, you can only expect you manager to inform you to keep it off duty. In fact, in the armed forces,fraternisation or public displays of affection are frowned upon and can lead to serious consequences. These can include: . Rebrief- a reminder of the rules and a warning not to do it again. Often done for first time breakers with a clean slate. . Formal warning . Dismissal The rules are there for a reason, to maintain discipline and prevent allegations of improper conduct .
wait a second, wasnt Janeway at one time had a thing with a certain holodeck program with that one irish settlement or something, i forgot the name of it.
Damn, Janeway seems more intimidating in this than Captain Picard or The Sisko! It does make me wonder how Captain Picard would have handled this! Probably would have had Commander Riker address it. This is what I could imagine Riker saying "What relationships you two have outside of your duty shift is none of my business but when its heard by over half the crew and ON DUTY IT BECOMES MY BUSINESS! Consider yourselves both on report until further notice. I highly suggest you both learn to use more discretion and better judgment next time. Understood!? Dismissed! **Riker shakes head as they walk off)
