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Everybody else is already saying this, but I think you'd really like The Contortionist as a daily listen. Their music is fantastic. The first two albums Exoplanet and Intrinsic are heavy deathcore albums. Language and Clairvoyant are softer prog rock albums. They're basically two different bands when the old singer left and the new one came in. Their music is so rich in creativity though that it's all led to them being considered one of the best prog metal bands of the last decade.
@@TheArenaBruno I was just going to comment the same thing, I think they took influence from Cynic and Retraced with that but The Contortionist nailed it even better.
Language as an album(and the Rediscovered session) completely changed the way I perceive music tbh. Absolutely fantastic composition and performances all around.
You'll need to listen to the studio version to hear just how much counterplay there truly is in this song. It's insane. The guitars are playing in a totally different feel for most of the song. And the drums and guitars line up at periodic intervals. It's nuts, one of my favorite songs.
I've been transposing a lot of their older songs off the Intrinsic album and its crazy the amount of counterplay they have in each song and how it all lines up in the intervals.
I personally really like the analyzing part of your videos. For me you could ramble on each performance for 10 more minutes and I would very much enjoy it. I mean, what separates you from most other "drummer reacts"-channels is your Jazz background and I as a metal drummer am very interested in the thoughts that a Jazz drummer has on metal drumming. So ramble along! :)
100% his weakest videos are the ones where he watches along, says it was great then ends record. Give us some details, break out the drum pad, how does it relate to jazz drumming?
I love that he plays the cymbals the same way that he plays his toms. Rolling on them, accents of toms, accents on the splashes. I love that he uses them in the same idiom.
Living Waves by Persefone is another fun one in terms of polyrhythms. A lot simpler than this, but still enough to be just between too complex and simple enough to groove to.
Physis Zero ehh. it really depends on how you interpret it. the polyrhythms in this song could be interpreted as polymeters. And can you name me some TC that are poly metric? i’m not saying there aren’t any, i’m curious to see what ones are polymetric.
My only disappointment is that he writes only about 50% of his stuff. Is that really a knock? No, I don't think so. Clearly a fantastic drummer. Meeting them and getting a little insight was interesting.
Hi Garrett! I really encourage you to listen to The Contortionist more, their musicality is amazing! They must be one of the most underrated bands within the 'math metal' (djent?) circle
Mathcore and djent are two very(?) distinct things, mathcore has a lot more playing around with time than djent, and is more about the technicality than the groove
I’ve been studying this song for a while, the “9” phrasing that goes on for the majority of language is hinted by the 3 over 4 in part i. the commitment to the 3 at the very start of part ii make the 9 flow so naturally. All his parts are scripted as you said, and his cymbal accents/ ghosting are incredibly well thought out. Cheers!
@@ddrum1090 one is polymetric and one is polyrhythmic between those two songs though, correct? Eulogy is polymeter because the hi hat and kick and snare have the same pulse on that part. This is polyrhythmic because the 9 phrasing doesn't have the same pulse as the 4 he's keeping.
@@tristonwilliams The first section of Eulogy is polymetric. The last groove ("You've claimed all this time...") is 3/4 polyrhythmic. The guitar is playing a strange 7/8 feel (I think) too, so I guess it might actually be polymetric in that section as well. I just know that drum part is polyrhythmic because I've spent a lot of time working it out haha.
Triston Williams good catch, I would interpret the famous/last groove from Eulogy as polyrhythmic, and joey does the same thing right before going into language as he stops the 3s cycle and restarts. I’m honestly not sure how to categorize part ii at the very start because at that point his 3/16 phrasing on the stack becomes an integral part of the time, not contrary to it because it moves to 9 from 4. So i’m guessing the switch could be considered polymetric... I’m gonna have to brush up on the differences between the two lol
@@ddrum1090 Polyrhythmic is when you have two time sigs that take up the same duration. in other words, it sounds like there's two separate underlying pulses or rhythms. think the simple Carol of the Bells 2 over 3 rhythm. Polymetric is when you have two time sigs that share the same pulse, so they would have different durations. The short snare roll and kick break right after the first chorus in Language I is a great example of this. Notice how the snare and kick start to get further apart but share the same pulse. Or if you don't know what I'm talking about, it's like playing 5/4 over 4/4 but at the same tempo or pulse, if you will. I'm not trained in music theory, but that's my layman understanding of it. I was admittedly partially wrong about Eulogy. The hi-hat "pattern" is polymetric to the rest of the kit because it's 3/16 over 4/4 with the same pulse. However, if you focus on only the hi-hat accent, the accent is polyrhythmic to the rest of the kit.
The sequence beginning at 4:33 is in 9/8 :) he begins with the snare roll groove accenting a 4 feel over the guitars which are playing on the 1 of a 9/8. That's why you get that cool ride hit displacement. The guitars feel "late" with respect to 4/4, but they're playing on the 1 of a 9 groove, which he aligns with at 4:50.
Ryan Kenny you can interpret like that, or interpret it as everyone playing 4/4 but the guitars doing a 5/4 polyrhythm and the ride hits also on that 5/4 polyrhythm, but i never noticed that you can just interpret that as 9/8 also, good catch.
This is my favourite band for sure. Probably seen this band 10 times live. I know every word to every song and they're responsible for twisting and expanding my knowledge of musical time as I've studied their music so often. It's almost like to me, they're a band that's simply _standard_ in my library. So glad to see you post this band to your audience.
Bro, wtf. I come SPECIFICALLY for the post-video ramble - they’re great. I Love the analyses you throw after the video along with the explanations. #weneedmoreramble
I wonder why he’s never done a video with Meinl. They showcase almost all of their artists, so it’s strange they haven’t done anything with him. I mean, really the only videos you’ll find of Joey are from drummers anonymous, and some old personal accounts from people who just recorded backstage w shite audio (although I still do appreciate it).
Oh my god, you finally did my patreon request, thanks so much!!!! :D For sure give that album a listen sometime when you have a chance! It's many a prog-head's favorite album :) Cheers!
Every time I've seen them, they've saved this for end of the set, but after they released they're latest album. I think they did open their old sets with this when supporting this album.
I really appreciate that drummers can look past the genres and just respect the skill, the technique, and just enjoy a good jam when they see it. You don't find that kind of thing often among other instruments.
I do love it when you ramble after the song is over. I appreciate you pointing out how they were transitioning by prefacing the new time signature, I'm going to have to apply that to my own music!
I feel like you did this specially for me somehow, I've been wanting to see you cover Joey forever! Awesome! This album completely changed the way i look at rhythmic over ride and metric modulation. I dont think theres a single groove on the record where there isnt another tempo orbiting around the main tempo.
This band has had such a beautiful evolution of their sound, glad you caught wind of their stuff! Their vocalist Michael Lessard is also part of a group called “Last Chance to Reason”; very similar to The Contortionist 👍🏻
Literally one of the most interesting bands these days. Member changes made the music change A TON and for the better. The new sound with Mike on vocals is fantastic. Check out Last Chance to Reason as well for drums ...another band associated with this act. Both are 👌🏻🔥💯
I'm so stoked to see you watched this video, but this is one you really have to LISTEN to as opposed to this poorly mixed live video. You can hear so much more man, this song is beautiful.
It's weird how the songs in these videos seem to coincide with the stuff I'm listening to at the moment. I use the weekly auto-generated playlists quite a bit and many of these tunes seem to crop up there on the same week. Good stuff. It's always nice to watch someone knowledgeable appreciate other masters of their craft :)
Not mad at it, I like the idea of your patreon being used for drummer requests it seems really fitting I mean we are expecting you to react to what we want lmao 😂
This whole album is one of the best studies in rhythmic orchestration and composition I have ever heard. Absolutely masterful. You owe it to yourself to listen through it on a good sound system that will pick up all the subtleties in his performance. There's still a ton of stuff from that record that I can't figure out what he's doing, or how.
there are also better recordings of this song and joey :( where he can hear the instruments and really understand the melodies and how joey lines things up with the music. it's truly a shame language is some of the best prog work i've ever seen
Hahaaaaa. He nailed it at 5:40 ish the 3 over 4 feel. They (rhythmically) play with that so often. One of my favourite things about listening to this album. The 3 over 4 play.
The odd time signatures on this entire album are insane. I had to listen to this track at least 15 times to even start to comprehend the ghost notes and chord changes, this band is phenomenal… I love that a jazz drummer digs Contortionist music. That says a whole lot…
Yes! The Contortionist is amazing! You should totally create a Spotify playlist with all of these recommendations! Some other drummers you should check out: - Jay Postones of TesseracT - Stef Broks of Textures - Mike Malyan of Monuments - Nathan Camarena of CHON - Dan Foord of SikTh - Matt Halpern of Periphery - Dan Searle of Architects - Dan Carle of After the Burial - Cameron Losch of Born of Osiris - Benny Greb - Chris Turner of Oceans Ate Alaska - Arnaud Verrier of Uneven Structure - Buster Odeholm of Vildhjarta - Matt Greiner of August Burns Red - Adam Grey of Texas In July - Jerrod Boyd of Miss May I - Billy Rymer of The Dillinger Escape Plan - Eric Moore of T.R.A.M - JP Bouvet of Childish Japes - Stan Bicknell's Meshuggah Medley - Troy Wright of Plini - Alex Camarena of Silent Planet - Sam Applebaum of Veil Of Maya - Nic Pettersen of Northlane - Matt Kohanowski of Oceano - Chad Hasty of Glass Cloud - Morgan Berthet of Kadinja
Contortionist is like top 3 all time favorite bands for me, everything about them connects with me. Would love to see you listen to Jay Postones of TesseracT do a drum play through of their track King from their latest album, big fan mine! Keep up the great videos, fellow drummer here.
My absolute favourite band of all time. Sick to see you listen to them dude. Really take a listen to Clairvoyant. It's such a good album, same with Language.
