John Salley: Magic, Not Jordan, was the Reason Isiah Thomas Didn't Make the Dream Team (Part 4) 

Hating someone as a person is different than how you veiw them as a competitor. Everybody hates a vicious bad dog, unless that Dog is guarding their house. See what I mean....it all changes when you are on my team.

Who cares if they hated each other, that's what makes competitors great. Everyone riding on Jordan's dick. Jordan just speaking on how his emotions back in the younger days.

If Michael deems you important enough to hate you, you are doing something right.

You guys are not getting the point. Jordan clearly said he doesn’t like Zeke in the last dance but Salley says he does so either Jordan is lying or Salley doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

He also called mj introvert, wtf, whats he on about?.... MJ is being called a bully by some because of his extrovert attitude, whats this geezer on about

JeBron Lames you have to resort to name calling to get your point across? Your words have no value, weak man.

@@trillestjebronlames bra Kobe came in the mid 90s and he grew up playing 80s and 90s style of basketball and James grew up playing 90s style of ball.. Kobe said todays games is weak and all the guys u named favor tur old style of basketball..as for players being more athletic...well the best today is James ...he is on the most athletic NBA player of all time behind mj and Wilt....soooo

SilverBlackGorilla wrong. The earlier days you can play rougher, each person had their own style, superteams were made by higher ups instead of players. I can go on about how this generation is way weaker and much worst. With technology and improvements such as suplements from then to now, of course they're more athletic and well rounded. Around the Kobe era, you couldn't predict who would be in the finals because ALOT of teams had potential. The last few years of basketball, you could easily tell who would be in the finals.

G Up yes, I agree. Roger is the worst to happen to the NFL because there are way too many fines for stupid nonsense.

Blueside thank you. Today's generation have access to ALOT. Owners are way more concerned because of the increase of endorsements to their brands having way more money now. Like you said if only the players back then had access to what today's generation has access to. I accept evolution in terms of for the better, but it has not gotten better in the NBA of terms of the game itself.

D Wash I loved Ronnie when he was on the Bulls.

The 🙃🙃💪🏿

I AGREE 100%

@D Wash Ron was a great player in his own right. He was also a great guy. He is from the same town I am, Dayton, Ohio, and I had the pleasure of playing against him on the outdoor courts at Fairmont West HS where some of Dayton's great ballplayers came to play. I also played summer pickup games at the old Dayton Fieldhouse and he would play there often, too. He was quiet because of the bad stutter he had but his game was never quite. So underrated. You never hear his name mentioned and that's a damn shame cause he was a fantastic player.

I loved that guy when he was a Clipper.

@MUFC bro you still hating on basketball?no offense on soccer its a great sport but bro you better stop the toxicity bro it aint good for you man

@MUFC ok man peace too i agree bro its a great sport but you dont gotta convince everyone just appreciate the greatness for both sports and its controbutions bro

@MUFC not Philippines dude... there's only a few here who play soccer...... most of us loves Basketball preperably it's our past time and every streets from cities to municipalities even in locals way up in the mountain we have a built in basketball court...

@MUFC wtf that got to do with this?

You dont think they roughed up ISAIH 2?

He was likely the only one..In The NBA to do so..

@Frank Converse Yeap 😂.

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@Frank Converse He deserved worse than that screw lambeer

Dammit Man!!!

Used to be my favorite show

Can’t forget Lisa Guerrero!

Bruhhhh 😂😂

Jelani Caldwell I used to watched that show in high school. I liked that show.

Jelani Caldwell funny as hell

Adrian Terrell Absurd right?haha

Everyone has their perspective of a certain situation, and this is his perspective and truth. There is truth is what he says, but it goes further than that. IT was from Chicago, it was not just his nephew, it was the fact that he didn't play for the Bulls and was hated in his own town. On top of that the fact that Jordan was actually the face of his own town, made him boil inside.

Jordan had the competitive fire since youth, he would have never been 6 time champ until they got some talent around him, players like Gervin and Reggie Miller would have some rings if teammates were as talented as Bulls, Pistons, Celtics, and Lakers of that era. Early in Jordan's career he could score 40, 50, 60 and still didn't win. You must have a team.

Yeah right!

He was hypnotized with hatred

Both From Brooklyn...

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Exactly!!

Great reference 😂😂

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Fucking 😂😂😂😂 brilliant

lololollol. no not at all

It was unbelievable the second it came out of his mouth.

@@LKaramazov Nice! I needed a good laugh this morning. :o)

Honestly, who is Salley to be privy to all this great information.

@@7521eric I'm not saying he's not stretching the truth but he did play with both of them and was on the Pistons during the whole Bad Boy Pistons era. So he's a pretty credible source. Unless they all sit down and talk about it for the fans to see, which would be highly unlikely, none of us will ever know.

You're Probably Right, But The Main Reason Jordan Dominates The 90s NBA Is Because The Celtics Of Bird And Lakers Of Magic Are Aging And Injured. If You Put Healthy Celtics And Lakers In 90s NBA The Two Mentioned Teams Still Dominates Even In Jordan's Prime.

@@lennonjamesbebiano9845 Incorrect. Jordan Dominated because no one and no team could stop him at that point. Magic was 31 years old in '90-91 when Jordan unleashed his will on him and the lakers. 31 is still young. Its actually prime because of the experience and lessons but that truly depends on the individuals mindset, work ethic and discipline. Isaiah was 29 at the time. Bird was 34 at the time, with a bad back. Probably from attempting to check Jordan the night he dropped 63 points in the garden. Nevertheless, Jordan was winning 3peats at age 33, 34 & 35. So the age thing is only an excuse. IF is not reality but my above statements are.

@@jaydubb2005 If Jordan Really That Great? Why He Is A Loser In 80s NBA?

@@jaydubb2005 Magic Was Holding Back Because Of The HIV During That Time Because There's A Rule Once He Gets Bleed Automatically He's Out Of The Game. That HIV Thing Leads Him To Early Retirement. Also, Jabbar Was Retired Already During That 91 Finals. Jordan's Just Lucky That The Luck Turned In His Favour. But The Fact Remain That Your Idol Was A Loser In 80s.

@@lennonjamesbebiano9845 #lmao show me anyone in NBA History with credentials that surpasses this. #lmao Michael Jordan ------------------------------- * Created a #DYNASTY for the Chicago Bulls Franchise * Undefeated Record in the Finals (6-0) * 6 Finals Rings * 6 Finals MVP's * 5 Regular Season MVPs, * 10 Scoring Titles (7 straight) * 10 time first team All NBA * 9 time ((Defensive)) first team All NBA * 1 time Defensive player of the year * Steals leader ( 3 seasons) * Dominated both ends of the court Offensively and Defensively * Finals Scoring Average Record 41 ppg * Career Scoring Average Record 30.1 ppg * Playoff Career Scoring Average Record 33.4 ppg * Finals Career Scoring Average Record 33.6 ppg. * Playoff Record for most points scored in a game 63 points. * The only player in NBA history to win a Championship with only 1 teammate averaging double figures (Pippen 19ppg) in 1997. No other player averaged more than 8ppg #lmao

Jordan never had implied he loved Isiah, Jordan implied he acknowledged and respected Isiah game. So theres no chance it was Jordan call that Isiah didn't make The Dream Team.

Isiah is jealous that Jordan play for Chicago !!! From the beginning Isiah want to play for Chicago, that’s where it came from !!!

S B just because Isaiah and Michael aren’t friends doesn’t mean that Jordan forced Isaiah out of the dream team. From the Last Dance it shows that the dream team situation wasn’t Michael, it was the other players having personal beef with Isaiah and him being on the team would ruin the chemistry of the team

S B your comment is fake news. Just because the GOAT hates Isiah and vice-versa, doesn't mean it was MJ that kept him out of the Dream Team. They hated each other, but also respected each other, for their basketball greatness and competitiveness. Anyway Isiah is Isiah (sometimes not even put in the top 3 or top 5 PGs of all time) and the GOAT is the GOAT (not just the greatest basketball player ever, but the greatest athlete of all time).

I heard, but not sure, there was no one to defend Isiah for joining the Dreamteam, I mean if you use to have beef with everyone, who will say that "oooh ok I want him in my team".....

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Facts

uh no goofball. that was not his field goal percentage dummy. nice job making shit up you ignoramus.

Mike averaged 29.7ppg in the 89 series, and 32.1 in 1990.

@The Uppercut That's what happens when you are the only scoring option in a doug collins offense and was the best defensive player in the league at the same time. There is a reason James harden doesnt play defense

Mel Vino me too

A lot of John's stories have inconsistencies though. There are other interviews from players & even John Salley himself that contradict his statements. Micheal Jordan is ABSOLUTELY the SOLE REASON Isaiah wasn't on the Dream Team. Scottie Pippen stated Michael didn't want him. Michael was the biggest star in the world alongside Michael Jackson & Oprah in 1992 & the organizers of the Dream Team NEEDED him not Magic Bird or anyone else. Magic was upset & didn't want Isaiah, Michael was ultimately the deciding factor. This is a well known fact.

Jamal big mad😂

Bird didn’t have beef with Isaiah, come on!

Isaiah was left off the team because David stern the nba top exc would not let Chuck Daley isaiah's piston coach put him on the team, he did not like isaiah. He stop funding the CBA league isaiah purchased after he retired, CBA went bankrupt. NBA started their (now the G league)

Facts.

still putting your personal feuds and grudges above the national team is the worst thing an athlete can do. Executives are already known for this

Isaiah Thomas’s reputation was tarnished league wide. His Dream Team exclusion cannot be ascribed to just one individual because he was loathed and consensually. It’s very simple: IT burned a lot of people around the league - it all culminated in his exclusion from the Dream Team.

@Kam Mike Easy to say behind the keyboard

Davion Darey keyboard warriors I tell you🤦🏽‍♂️

@Kam Mike Damn Nigga, is all that really necessary?

Lmao it was funny ,and i see most of the time the "keyboard warriors" are the 1s that say " bet ya wouldnt say that to me in person" or "easy to say behind a keyboard" lmao y'all crack me up doe i mean i cant be the only 1 who thought boom right out tha gate w yous a snake ass bitch was funny , life is short lighten up some damn lol

@Kam Mike lol

MJ was everywhere. Lolz.

Lmaoo lil Boosie

Amen. I been watching basketball since i was 5, i am 43 now. My grandfather was a college and NBA ref and he took me to so many games over the years. And today's NBA is hands down the worst most boring basketball i have ever seen.

Optimus Prime sure bud and my grandpa was Hitlers butlers butcher

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So you prefer hacking instead of shot blocking 🙄

Of course Jordan lived in Chicago due to him being drafted by the Chicago Bulls #3 overall in the 1984 NBA draft! Spell & grammar check is available on your pc/mobile phone, F¥€king use it bro. 😎

@@willdockery1829 loved*

@@willdockery1829maybe he is not an american or british or any white guy whose english is the native language. Can you speak/write using his native language without making any mistake?

I heard that too

Right

Bill was a dirty son of a bitch have a nice day

He was a complete asshat.

Bill Laimbeer was my LEAST FAVORITE NBA player in the 1980s....and one of my least favorite NBA players of all time. Now, in retrospect, I feel he was a little better than I gave him props for in the 80s. Back then, I opined that he was a stupid, clumsy, oaf...a very dumb, annoying 'dirty' player who knocked people to the ground. It always gave me satisfaction to see him have bad shooting games or other players 'clock him' (punch him) in retaliation for Laimbeer being a dirty player.

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Lol Jordan learn everything from me. TK Kirkland

Lmao

“I gave birth to TK Kirkland”. -Paul Pierce

@@KillaMusiktv1BlACKEYEDCORN" that's not possible cuz i have birth to tk kirkland." Tk kirkland

Why wouldn’t they lmao

Damn right!!!!

LBJ wouldn't survive in that era.

@@Danny_Lopez_ it's funny cause all the people who played back in the day said he would do great or even better than he's doing nowadays

@@lebronjamesharden7171 Awesome. Please post a link.

@@Danny_Lopez_ I have no idea how to do it

When jordan was a freshman at UNC he won the championship against Georgetown, what year did isaiah leave college.

@@davidsyked9420 Isiah won the year before against UNC minus Jordan. And please stop believing that Jordan won that championship, James Worthy won it if anyone did. He was the MVP. Espn got everyone believing it was “Jordan” based off a wide open jump shot with 12-13 seconds still left.

You are confused and wrong. Just go research before posting that garbage.

They had a dust up in one of the series where they took cheap shots at each other and ruined their friendship

@@tomaxxamot4906 It was the 1988 Finals. The story goes that Pat Riley called out Magic Johnson after Game 2 and questioned if his effort to win was compromised by his friendship with Isiah.

@@drestathagangsta8880 Just curious, are u the real Dresta

@@tomaxxamot4906 Lol, no I'm not. But I was nicknamed that by my older cousins when I was a kid because he was their favorite rapper.

@@tomaxxamot4906 after Magic came out with his HIV announcement it was rumored that Zeke accused him of being homosexual. That's what fractured their friendship for almost 30 years

Right. Palmer woods

And he had a condo downtown

@@rollinhardentertainmentllc3025 didn't know that one!!

@olemissfan91 the area in Detroit that Salley lived in is called Palmer Woods. It's one of the more affluent neighborhoods and on the westside of the city. Homeowners in Palmer Woods during the 80s and 90s when Salley lived there were minimally high upper middle class to wealthy. The area is still nice but since the housing market crash, many people who previously may not have been able to afford living there purchased homes in that area. Edit: and his house was one of the nicer ones

John Salley was also the only Piston who didn't walk off with the rest of the team at the end of the ECF in 1991.

Had to pay your toll by body.....today it's just straight EZ PASS.

Terrance Khonde Boosie

Boosie aint neva lied! Thats the truth. Everywhere he look he 👀 jordan jerseys!

Why not move his home to Detroit? Such a simple solution. Hundreds years ago his ancestors home was in Africa.

@@davenue3428 the fuck are you saying?

@@quab5783 dogs will have six weeks in

Hates him as a person, not as a player. I hate Assholes unless you are an ass hole on my team.

That was never in doubt. But hate doesn't make you responsible for someone else not making the team.

Jordan still hates Barkley, so what? That can be taken out of context, because that comment was made referencing his younger mentality decades ago. It was his biggest rivalry before becoming a champion.

Lol

THE Rattler that’s a fact I’ve heard isiah change his “goat” like 5 times already they just don’t want to give Jordan credit

Lol

John Salley could not get over losing to the Bulls in the 1991 season that he turned redcoat and join the bulls in 1996 season.

Fuck Chicago

The Bulls didn't become great until Jordan got help. So it took a bit, but once Pippen was all-nba level and horace grant was an all-star, did jordan get a finals. That was his 7th season in the league

@@morecowbell235 Horace Grant’s only all-star appearance was during the 1993-94 season. Pippen began to flourish but what helped MJ become a champion was trusting his teammates. John Paxson hit a lot clutch shots against the Lakers in the ‘91 Finals.

@@QuietstormRB Pippen made Grant and BJ all-stars that season. Jordan was gone trying to play baseball. Even though the documentary tries to save face by saying Jordan was getting better and becoming a MLB talent. that's bullsack MJ sucked at baseball (compared to MLB, Minors players)

@@Hero-3 not necessarily they already won three straight championships with playoff struggles prior to those championships. BJ and Horace had to step up tremendously because MJ was gone!

@@Hero-3 Statistically he absolutely was getting better.

They needed a personal assistant who could play ball. Was Isiah gonna be that??? 😉

Best and most accomplished college player at time..not even close. Made sense then, not in hindsight.

@@briancarroll3232 even at the time most people were saying Shaq should be the college player on the team.

@Domini478 He said at the time. C'mon, be a smart reader.

He’s the best college player ever. At that time it made perfect sense. It’s like if Zion was on this team USA

He did alot of talking on the court.

I was around in that era, and I'll tell you that doesn't surprise me. When Jordan would be interviewed it was at group settings you'd see on the news but he NEVER had one on one interviews unless it was for a book. And good luck ever getting him to say anything other than platitudes until very late in his run. He was very image conscious in those days. And the media was complicit in keeping his dark side hidden until he retired.

@@MrT571I don't know why people couldn't see that he was an introvert.. They show their true selves around a few people..ijs. He was never my cup tea, respect his game though

We just see it because of social media, folks just run with bs

@The R. Who are these friendly players on the court you speaking of?

who asked for ur cosign?

LyfeMuz Magic does say that in the documentary though. You never hear Jordan nor do you hear Isaiah say that Jordan was the reason. But you do hear John Salley and Magic say that Magic was the reason. Why would you run with what you want to believe? Satire media at its best lol

@Hey Mister DJ ur mother

Magic said himself he didn’t want Isiah on the team. Pippen said “I can’t speak for Michael,but I’m pretty sure he didn’t want him either” Mike just ran with it, but it’s been well documented that Mike didn’t say shit,but he also didn’t try to clear his name either. He didn’t mind ppl thinking he had something to do with Isiah not being on the team.

Stop smoking crack it was both MJ AND MJ

I guess you never watched this Celtics much did you. You heard "Plastic Man" say Its a man's game if you come in the paint. The league is much different now than then. They created the Barkley rule. Now the league is about the 3 ball and yiu can't put your hands on somebody. I agree that the games were starting to get like hockey. But it was never about hurting someone. Just that you are getting fouled if you come into the paint.

Also him talking about how they werent trying to end careers but Laimbeer was stepping on ankles whenever he could.

What he left out was because of the way Doug Collins was coaching the team. They had to make the switch to Phil because Tex Winter was the orchestrator of the Triangle offense...Because he understood how to get the other player's involved instead of standing around watching one man try to beat an entire team. So Tex told Doug there's another way to play this game but Doug being a Super Fan of MJ didn't wanna hear it because he was to emotional. So they fired Doug plug in Phil and Tex Winter and they began to play real team basketball where everyone is involved Especially Horace Grant and John Paxson. Scottie started to develop as a #2 and that made them lethal, But keep in mind all they gave MJ was one ALL-STAR and he destroyed the NBA. Today that guy in LA who calls himself the Greatest player of All-time need multiple established HOF/Perennial All-star player's to win and in this soft ass version of the NBA can't even 3PEAT...

or get tackled by the entire opposing team every possession

Harden would be so annoyed

So funny

ikr..wth is really going on with VladTellAllVision?

Salley didn't tell the truth, though. So much for snitching...

They tried their best to end his career, but couldnt. Instead, Jordan hit the gym, got much stronger and was able to outlast them physically and mentally. And the badboys so called dynasty ended at 2 chips. The Goat overcame and then sent them into nursing homes and early retirement, lol. Yall forgot.

@@jaybains2615 u conviently leave out the nba changing the rules for jordan. how much stronger can u get in 1 season my guy? stop U MUST HAVE FORGOT

@@RobinXlone lol, ever worked out? Look at Jordans body before and after, its starkly evident. As far as the rule changes go, disallowing thugs to play professional bball is clearly correct. Nice try though. Have a geeat day.

@@jaybains2615 yeah that’s why it was easy. U had a team designed to battle the lakers and Celtics than u have this other team designed for a dude fly around. No one else in history has ever complained to refs about rules that was common place for years

@@jaybains2615 yeah bro I have and it takes at least a year to see noticeable changes. Especially as a ball player that burns ALOT OF CALORIES

They're both from Brooklyn.Salley is a year younger

Apparently Isiah didn't even say the HIV stuff, that was hearsay funneled into Magics ear. Really tragic that a lifelong friendship was torn over rumors

Nope . Couldn't be further from the truth. The team was missing one player who deserved to be there. The best pure point guard for a decade: Isiah Thomas

true he trained with him a lot personally breakfast club

"Scottie learned everything from Michael"-Phil Jackson. Scottie developed into the player he was because Michael took him under his wing. Scottie even dressed & wore the same earring as Mike.

Mr SS he did.... Lmaooooo

EasyTonganSniper yes. Good marketing. Gets fans riled up and behind their team and increases loyalty and consumer purchases related to franchise merchandising. Some players legitimately didn’t like each other but not like how it was presented in the media. Thanks media, you’re always working to make society better.

I dont think they hung out like today stars but they were cool with each other

Jerome Marshall or maybe because of social media, we actually get to see them hang out together? Unlike the 90’s

@@mmoney9362 The media was not cooking up those beefs back then. If players didn't like each other back then, then that's what it was. Beefs and rivalries are two different things. The media helped created or fueled rivalries, but beef is personal. If it was all acting or marketing, then Isiah would have been on that Dream Team and we wouldn't be still talking about this 20 something years later..

To be fair, Stockton got hurt during that summer, actually in the Tournament of the Americas, I believe, that lead up to the 96 Olympics. There was even a possibility that he could have been replaced, but healed up enough to where he could play a bit.

LMFAOOOO

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Right

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Puts that bullshit to rest, don't it?

Over the years there were a lot of interview with dream team players (not the main stars) and most of them said US national team is about comradery and players chemistry. Well, Isiah wasn't friendly with most of them like all the players. And it will take only one star to say : If Isiah plays I'm out, because nobody in the team will say I wound like to play with Isiah and I stand with him. And the question all these years is who was it ? Jordan, Magic, Bird or all of them.

Hell yeah

debatable

Stockton is a top 5 PG & arguably the best pure PG of all time. You're hating on the man if you think it was that much of a clear choice.

ShowTime idk man Stockton is high up on the assists list and he had a decent jumper he had several seasons averaging 11 assists. But Zeke was a winner he should have been on that team but Stockton you couldn’t argue he didn’t deserve to be either

ShowTime doesn’t matter they both all time greats

You mean "Adrian Dantley" if we are being precise.

@@mca4u he might be talking about Adrian's plumber cousin, Adrain.