I worked in a manufacturing plant where the women could wear skirts but the men couldn't wear shorts in the summer. One of the male workers queried this with management and they said he could wear a skirt if he wanted. He turned up the next day wearing a skirt and did so for the next few months until they changed the policy. A legend.
@@awkwardautistic I think it most certainly does. If you agree that men and women are inherently different, specifically in relation to clothing, they should be able to wear that of which is equal to that of their female counterparts. Wouldn't you agree?
@I_360_No_scoped_JFK I'm speaking about generally. So to lose your cool to the extent that you refuse to admit you're wrong and this is speaking in the context of someone who has a big outreach, I think some people do it much more than others and that it is much more prominent in others to the point of mentioning. Like someone like Joe I wouldnt say is wrong and loses his cool, sure he is wrong sometimes and loses his cool sometimes like everyone, but not to the extent worth mentioning. Peterson makes bold statements and hints at things that make him look stupid and he refuses to admit that he's made a mistake. He also seems to exaggerate things to the point of the far right who seem to play the "It's a conspiracy because it's against my feelings" card
@@TheLadyDelirium He pushes the idea that just because certain groups want to be called a certain thing that it "wont stop there.". Which can be applied to any amendment by making it look radical. There are many more but youre better off watching this video, then searching for more, not hard to find. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2FgQ_4h3ilY.html
@@DrGreerIsRight You don't expose yourself completely. You merely let them exploit an opening which could hurt you slightly so that you understand what they are aiming for in their offense. You leave the opening based on your judgement of what you think they are aiming for and use it to understand if you have understood their motives correctly. Then you can use that information to your advantage.
who came up with this? i red this here in the comments before. very cool idea! but it could be blurred or something... and there are very subtle ways of editing :/. these medias give much space for manipulation...
@@OPShergottite I bet if he made it subtle enough they wouldnt think to blur it and if they did blur it then everyone would immediately know the interview was likely cut up to be misrepresented so I say win either way
I mean, say what you will about that interview, but at least she actually put effort into thinking about what her guest was saying. I do appreciate her for that.
Jordan Peterson is aggressively ignorant in EVERY FUCKING INTERVIEW and when he gets called out he always has excuses or says he is being misrepresented. The hypocrisy of this guy is unparalleled
I really respect his self awareness about his own faults, e.g. "getting hot under the collar." It makes him that much more credible. And holy shit, Netflix...
@@nickhufflepuff9604 Orwell was a socialist, but he was highly critical of the socialist movement. He was a staunch critic of totalitarianism, so we can propably rely on his criticisms of oppressive governments or organizations.
@@SomeGuy0192 highly critical of the socialist movement? He fought to bring socialism to Spain haha. Sure he wanted democratic socialism, but the biggest advocate at the time for their flavor of socialism was the USSR, which wasn't hard to denounce.
That last sentence. “It might be time for me to just disappear altogether”. Strange how things all came to be after that. Thank god Jordan is healthy again.
It is indeed time for him to disappear altogether to get the help that he needs, and to force his cult to personal responsibility - though to be sure they'll just look for another internet daddy for the most part...not sure who to feel more sorry for...
@@desnock good luck to you Lily and I hope your life is a happy one! Sincerely, JumpingcJackFlash. Or, a 'cult' member, as you put it. But a human being first and foremost I hope you'll remind yourself.
@@056709061 if only the projection wasn’t so obvious. Take that observation seriously from someone not a part of your cult. appreciate the reminder that we are all human, regardless of its lack of application to my comment. He should get help, as should his cult. No, not interested in being your replacement patriarch ;-)
Even with Vice editing the interview the way they did, JP still goes out of his way to clarify that the video wasn't leaked, but that Vice released it on their own. Good on him
good on vice for releasing the video which shows that Peterson indeed said what was reported. I don't think Peterson is honest with his cult, but more importantly isn't honest with himself. Something he's struggling with right now...
@@srachar Cult is an accurate description, look up the term, and then compare Peterson's cult with other cults. I hope it IS thought provoking, for the love of God!
@Daytona Says What?! At least Sheree added something to the conversation, that if we are talking about attractiveness in the workplace then women being allowed to wear skirts is because of attraction and men not being allowed to wear shorts is because of the lack of attraction. I'd like to add that in professional business settings women usually also wear tights under their skirts to reduce the amount of skin shown. Men wearing shorts don't have that. What did you add except doubt voiced in a vulgar way?
@@dulapiip I think he is correct in a sense, but it's not totally sufficient. The grad students will an honest conversation and try to get to the truth without stopping to judge the content. The journalist is not on the same journey for learning. The path of learning is a far more honest pursuit.
I love Joe Rogan's Podcast. It really helps being open minded and I really hope Rogan doesn't ever allow criticism to stop these conversations. This is what we need.
They hate men , they hate their dads, they are marginalized people who want to flip the table over because they don’t fit the ideal, so they want to make marginalized people normal people and normal people need to be marginalized.
Because anyone who takes a moment to break down the awfully over-dramatic and wishy washy terminology he uses to either disguise bigoted views or just rebranding cookie cutter advice... Realises he's just a grifter. - I have been studying psychology for over half a decade, can definitely say that he rarely applies actual psychological evidence to his arguments and views, he's all feelings over facts ironically. Yes, I'm a dude, straight and cis-gendered. You fanboys should really hop out of that neck bearded circle jerk, it's cringe.
I have listened to this a number of times and it really just struck me how much humility he has to admit his error in how he responded in the interview. I mean, such a minor error in his mind, but such an amazing learning point for us as the viewer. How many on the left would be so quick to admit such a minor fault... own it, and then grow and move past it.
@@manuelmateo3392 Are you Jay Kang in disguise? That's ridiculous. Did you even watch the interview? It was embarrassing, and I'm sure he oversaw the editing seeing as it was his interview.
@@sauceking3344 Interviewers don't do that. They literally send the recording to people who edit it, the interviewer has no input on how it's chopped and screwed. This is in more on Vice's hands than anybody.
@@manuelmateo3392 The editing is horribly dishonest, but Jay Kang wasn't allegedly smug. If you watch the interview that's putting it lightly. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here.
@@johngrey1074 , C'mon, now. Sure, Rogan usually talks too much, but he's an amateur when it comes to interrupting others. The airwaves are full of people who do, and I'm constantly yelling at my TV telling them to SHUT UP and let their guests finish their sentences. In the evening, I'm usually only watching Fox, so I don't know if the other stations are guilty of this, but Fox definitely is. Even those with limited intelligence, such as Hannity, Waters, Bolin, somehow think that their opinions are more valuable than those of their guests. Well, they aren't. They are fools, and the less we have to hear from them the better.
Hes allowed to be frustrated, with every interview hes done, they've gone after him in a horrible way, they dont seem to understand because they've got a narrative to sell
One thing about the makeup point: I feel like he lumps *All* makeup into just being sexually provocative when its not true. What about women who want to cover up their facial scars, pimples, eye bags, etc? This is not being sexually provocative, but being presentable to society standards. Obviously showing up to work looking haggard and tired is detrimental to how your boss and coworkers perceive you, its some womens way of making themselves presentable. Also he says that red lipstick simulates the lips getting red during arousal, but what about nude lipsticks? Many more women wear that then red lipsticks, are nude lipsticks sexually provocative then? Also, people are so angry for his comment that "wearing makeup is sexually provocative" because people immediately link that to sexual assault, and people think that he is then blaming the women for encouraging the assault when this is not the case. Obviously Jordan Peterson is not making that point, but people have been jumping to that conclusion. For all of his wisdom, it baffles me that he didn't phrase that sentence differently
I wear mauve lipstick, foundation, and mascara at work. This is obviously not the same as being dolled up for a date. I've shown up with a naked face to work and gotten all sorts of rude comments about my appearance, and honestly, just wearing minimal make-up shuts up 99% of the idiots. I'd be pissed if someone like JBP came in, and tried to give me shit for that. Women just can't win.
Never do a recorded interview. OR, insist (on paper, signed and legally binding) that any interview be aired IN FULL, uncut. And STILL have your own camera.
Jordan Peterson should just hire someone to follow him around and record all of his interviews. Like a digital Witness. Then he could release it on his own channel. = Jordan Peterson Uncut. Many People would probably be willing to do this for free!
@@adambaldwin258 In the cutthroat and complex media system, incorrectly cut and edited interviews are considered especially heinous. In Jordan Peterson Uncut, the dedicated assistants who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as the Special Assistance Unit. These are their stories.
I would 100% do this if he simply covered my food and hotel expenses. I don't even need anything fancy, Turkey sandwiches and a room at a La Quinta and I'm good.
Thanks, JBP for trailblazing for a lot of people by reminding us to not get riled up; not being sarcastic at all. Your integrity and openness to learn from your mistakes helps us do the same.
He should randomly say consecutive numbers during his interviews, that way we’d know how much they skipped or rearanged. It would also be totally bonkers and fun
J W this is stupid, don’t put your idea into her. It’s not about she being smarter, it’s her point of view about a smart person (JP) He’s smart enough to know there’s so many issues we don’t have an answer for and it’s okay to accept it.
@@RottenfruitQueen if this is true, then why do so many people pretend to know everything? What is their motive if not to maintain some perceived dominant position?
@@edwardk3 psychology, we all did this at some point tbh even if we like to admit it or not. I recommend you to go and find some books about it, it's very interesting
9:15 Very important point about this issue: With the baker in Colorado whose case went to the Supreme Court, he didn't refuse to serve the gay couple, he only refused to make a wedding cake specifically. Nobody is saying they shouldn't have to serve gay people. He said he'd bake any other kind of cake for them just not a wedding cake because that would violate his religious beliefs and artistic freedom. This is probably why the Supreme Court agreed with him and he won that case.
I thought about the issue and came to the conclusion that the baker should not care what the cake is for, meaning if they asked for a normal cake that they happen to use in a wedding its none of the bakers business. Baker should only have right to refuse to put a specific design (being offensive or in this case against personal beliefs) since the issue would then become about freedom of speech/expression for the baker
@@bley99 My understanding is that they don't have premade wedding cakes. They are usually like 3 tiers and kinda pyramid looking. Apparently, sometimes, a bakery person has to be at the wedding to keep that thing standing, too.
@@bley99 Essentially the lesbian couple asked for a custom wedding cake and the baker said no. The baker instead offered any of their non-customized selections but the lesbians kept pushing for this particular one. It should also be noted that they asked around at four or five other bakeries for this custom cake beforehand... either they were searching for a baker to refuse them or they went out of their way to make trouble for these bakers just to cause trouble. Either way I think it's a very stinky case and free-association is an incredibly important freedom that seems completely lost in our society now
we need more conversationalists like Jordan. he’s beyond the need for competition, and focused on cultivating meaning, acceptance, connection, etc. love him & joe together
stating that "we don't know" is also taken as an offense by those people because they think they already know everything and deviating must therefor be racist, misogynist, etc because there is only one allowed way of thinking.
streglof Yes! Doubt is not acceptable at this time. Saying "Well I'm not sure", "I don't know (yet)" is a strength. We think, grapple, learn, fall out...it's all good. But woe betide you if you can't pitch your tent in Blind Certainty right now. Depressing.
@@bananian I don't believe that notion at all, so maybe I wasn't clear. It's absolutely right to say you have no clue but something must be done to rectify that to move on. I agree with you that things would become stagnant otherwise. I don't infer this from Peterson, however he talks some tripe at times.
Makeup CAN be used as sexual signaling, but saying “it’s not even a question! Obviously it is”, implies that it always is, and based on my 30 years of being a woman, and being close to many women, I’m led to believe it usually isn’t. I was most into makeup when I was a preteen, I know asexuals who love makeup. Makeup is a creative outlet, and when used to make a person like their appearance more that day, that could be something that is only for themself, or could be a way to make them feel more secure socially, regardless of whether or not they will be encountering people of their preferred sex.
@@lambsauce8937 yes I have girlfriends that love dressing up and then doing their chores. Like she wanted to try out colors and lipsticks mascara and played with it. So really he was way off with the comment
@@lambsauce8937 Jordan is not delusional. The core purpose of makeup is sexual signalling. You may use it for fun or for "art", but the archetype makeup routine (ie red lipstick, rouge, eye liner etc) are specifically designed to sexually attract men.
Came full circle didn't it? We stopped looking at their breasts and they started getting insecure about it, 1 in 5 women now have plastic boobs and it still didn't work 🤣 now we're just not allowed eye contact. That'll force it.
I hope this man never disappears, he saved my life, men in today’s world have no motive, Jordan’s Peterson is giving us that back, I’m not religious but god bless this man
This is what two intellectuals look like discussing reality. They're not competing, they're friendly and welcoming, and their goal is information and the joy of discussion.
Everytime JP looks up and thinks for 2 seconds, grab the popcorn, hide your wives, put on your shoes, cuz we're about to be blessed with a fucking articulate wisdom bomb
When Jordan said "it may be time for me to disappear altogether"... I felt that. We need you now more than ever Dr. Peterson. We miss you. Hope all is well.
I'm doing his self authoring suite and I emailed the support staff asking if he will return to public engagements soon and someone responded that he is "planning to return to work as soon as he can." I also saw somewhere that he is working on his new book so hopefully he will do publicity for the book when it's ready.
fenixrising1972 that’s really good to hear! Also, if you look at his daughter’s (Mikhaila) Instagram she mentioned that 2021 will be a busy year for him. So hopefully we’ll get to see and hear him speak again soon with such encouraging signs!
13:25 Jordan says "Cathy Newman is one of the most powerful in Britain". For a very smart guy, he couldn't be any more wrong about that. Didn't know she existed before his interview with her lool
The simple fact that this guy is willing to admit his mistakes makes his opinions so much more valid to me. Thanks for posting this interview Mr. Rogan. I only wish I could see the entire interview at one time instead of having to find the next installment. Peace ya'll.
He actually talks about this in his books and in other interviews about how he had to consciously dress the way he does. It's not his style, but since he became this public figure, he really focused on it.
Wow, “might be time for me to disappear all together”...that was very prophetic. God I hope he’s doing better and will get back in the public eye for the sanity of our society. We need people like him to get back on track fundamentally.
>true atheists are also killers He was asked what in his view would a true atheist look like (cause he said "People who call themselves atheist aren't actually true atheists" and apparently it burned some fedoras xd) and he answered that in the Roskolnikov scenario the atheist would just said yolo and killed an old hag - that doesn't mean he thinks all atheists = killers
incompetence, sure - but that's likely due to the addiction and fact that he couldn't cut the university or practice of psychology anymore, so he decided to sell books and tell incels their anger was justified - you know, like Hitler/Trump. Hate is unfortunately a popular industry in certain minds.
@@desnock Anger was justified coz they felt bitter and bitterness leads people to do horrible things. Its a human tendency. He says the anger maybe justified but its not okay for you to act on it. The only way forward is to get better and improve and learn to not be bitter. Youre misrepresenting him. You clearly dont know anything about him. Your probably see snippets of heavily edited clips that try to slander him and dont actually listen to anything he says for real because that may break your perception of him. Youre married to the idea that hes a bad man. Whats wrong with trying to encourage young men to get their life together? Nobody is doing that. Several people have gotten their lives back on track thanks to him.
@@TangerineGrizzly I'm not misrepresenting his bias towards the left (nor his conflation of all his enemies into a general "us vs them" standard that cults require to sell their BS), or his popularity with groups in the the alt-right, at all. He admits that many of his fans are incels, so I think you're trying to put a false face on the kind of bias he extols. He justifies their bitterness, and....that's it. I would agree he and his band of incel-losers shouldn't be so bitter, but he and his cult are some of the most bitter people one can meet, so whatever he's advising hasn't worked for him or his cult. They can be helped by significant therapy and growing the fuck up. The man almost died from anxiety and depression that resulted in a drug addiction. It's simply not working (most especially for him, never mind his sad sack followers). He may be fooling folks more desperate than him, but most demagogues find people who are desperate. I have certainly seen him in multiple settings, so the idea that I'm not familiar with his biases and failures is simply not true. As I've studied cults including their leaders, I can say with certainty he's running a cult. I would simply ask you to look up what a cult is, objectively compare the Peterson cult to it and then we can have further discussion on how to get you out of it. Deprogramming is a process. I'm not marred to any idea. I've consciously studied the rhetoric and behavior and outcomes of the man (among others of his ilk, many from cults and/or religious figures, but also political figures), and certainly one can assess his group of folks with daddy issues that is experienced on a daily basis on social media where the Peterson cult member tends to be the least literate, the most emotional and the most in crisis. Most judgemental, most biased, least amount of common sense, the list goes on. They mistake being an asshole for being strong and then complain even more when that doesn't work for them and they end up worse off, alienating everyone around them, not unlike Peterson's own story. That people have pitied him even though he's been a royal asshole to them is a testament to those who put up with him, not him. Does this compute? The problem of what's wrong with telling incels to get their life together is the bias he installs on rather dumb and desperate never adulted boys that don't take personal responsibility and like their daft leader, blame the "enemy" be it women, gays, etc - it's punching down on groups that have been systemically underserved and attacked, and it's evil. These immature assules are in a state of arrested development and Peterson gets them nowhere. Pure and simple. Not a SINGLE person has gotten their life on track because if this pathetic and desperate individual NOT A SINGLE ONE. The proof is there hasn't been a single person in my experience with hundreds of Peterson-bots that is better off. They all remain ready to blame others for their shitty lives. And now feel empowered by this individual that uses Trump/Hitler like rhetoric and sheathes it in Scientology like language. A despicable, desperate person who is in crisis. So I hope he gets the help he needs, but more to the point, hope the people he's made worse off get the help THEY/YOU need. It's a cult. Do your research. If I'm wrong, then nothing to fear. If I'm right, no need to thank me other than getting out...ASAP. God Bless.
@@desnock He speaks against the left, but if you actually listened to him, youll know he actively speaks against the extreme right. He has constantly encouraged people to read the Gulag Archipelago which is an account from one of the inmates of the gulag to educate people about the horrible tragedies of political tyranny and authoritarianism and the damages it can cause to people and society. He has openly expressed disgust over the evil of it all. He doesn't really represent a 'side'. He attacks the left and the right both but the right doesn't have a significant voice in mainstream media after the left won the culture war hence the lack of criticism. He has, on multiple occasions called himself a classical libertarian. And thats a good place to be politically. He admits that most of his viewers are 'young men' not incels. Unless you think all young men are incels ( In which case there is no hope for you) I dont know why you would say that. First off theres nothing wrong with young men seeking support from a man who asks you to 'clean your room', ' take responsibility for your actions' and 'get your life on track' when many young men are hated on by radical leftist mobs in pop culture and labelled toxically masculine just coz they are men. And whats wrong if incels watch his content? Thats great. At least theyll stop being bitter and make an attempt at improving their lives instead of whining and complaining. He doesn't justify their bitterness. He explains that bitterness is futile and you better take responsibility for your tragedies and put your life back on order. If anybody is putting a false face on him, its you. Just the first paragraph of what you wrote is enough for me to know that youve not actually watched anything from him unedited. You probably got all the information of him from shady articles from radical leftists trying to slander him and heavily edited videos. What do you mean by 'his advice isnt working for his cult'. First off, I disagree that it is a cult and second,several people, both men and women give him credit for saving their lives from the doors of suicide. Not being dead is working great for many people I assume but you could make arguments otherwise(especially if youre obsessed with Hitler) Yeah tell depressed people to grow the f*uck up. Very helpful. Jordan overworked himself and was diagnosed with depression and was recommended benzodiazepines which caused his body to have a paradoxical reaction which resulted in a physical dependence. This is the truth. What you did there was more lazy mischaracterization and zero fact checking. You ate indeed not familiar with him at all. Ive scoured the internet for criticism against him, but none of it criticizes his ideas. They seem to criticize what they think he said or what they want him to say to make him look bad. If he said something preposterous, Id have no problem disagreeing with him. I dont agree with everything he says and I dont consider him a messiah. But I think hes a good man that means well. He really is helping a lot of young men get their lives on track. My life is a testament to that. I went from lazy, irresponsible and extremely neurotic to disciplined and having relatively nice things to say about life. If I was bitter and whiny like you think all of us are, I wouldn't have felt the way I do now. I used to be bitter about how unfair life is and trust me, that aint a good feeling. Your assessment of a 'peterson cultist' is a broad generalization. Every person's fanbase can consist of a wide spectrum of people with varying temperaments. I dont really know what youre basing this off either. I could use the same language you used to describe Peterson's fans to describe an alt-right, a radical leftist, a social justice warrior, a nazi, a nationalist, a football fan, a movie fanatic and everyone in between. Do you really think that millions of people follow him coz theyre all bitter? He hasnt alienated anybody. Look at his family. His marriage and the millions of people that adore him. Several people travel across the world to listen to him speak and thank him for saving their lives. Sure it may resemble a cult, but he isnt giving people orders. He isnt manipulating the people or the truth. People adore him for his insights, wisdom and assistance. Not for one instance did his solution involve 'blaming the enemy'. All his advice literally revolves around taking responsibility for actions and even tragedies that happen to befall upon you. I will add a video link down below. Unedited, straight from the source. Give it a watch ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DzbWnaK46tw.html Im sure im one of those 'peterson bots' lol. I know that im the reason for most of my problems and I have friends that are gay who share the same sentiment. We discuss his work and his talks about it once in a while. Jordan is a good man but youre willfully blind. I hope you do 'better' research. Id like to see some citations for your claims. Im curious where youre getting your information from xD.
This is why Rogan’s podcast is number 1 In The world. He has great and interesting guests on and he’s intelligent and does his absolute appropriate job as an interviewer. Bravo!
Peterson should have a recording of the original interview, unedited, given to him as a precondition of any interview he does. Thus he can make public the entire interview if he feels he has been misrepresented.
Even better is that whomever is performing the interview. Release an edited version however the interviewer wants it edited. Then release an unedited version at least within 3 days.
I sincerely hope Dr. Peterson takes the necessary time away from the spotlight to preserve his overall well being. I genuinely like and admire him as a rational, thoughtful, and caring teacher to us all, and I wish him well. If you should happen to see this comment sir, thank you. Please take care of yourself.
That vice interview was ridiculous. The interviewer (who sucked at his job) couldn’t even put a few brain cells together to think about the nuance behind Peterson’s thought provoking answers.
JP still sounded like a psycho. He pulls this shit where he's like "I'm not saying this...but I'm also saying it". The makeup thing made him look like such a fucking idiot. Women don't wear makeup to be "more sexually appealing". Most women only do it because it's expected of them, and even if it wasn't, it's no different than someone wearing their favorite shirt or getting their shoes shined. People take you more seriously when you make an effort to look your best.
@@trollnerd I think that is jp's whole point about the make up thing. It is expected in today's society, but the fact about the signals it send is something people seem to ignore.
@M S That's 100% false. You are making the insanely incorrect assumption that any attempt by a person to increase their visual appearance is for the purpose of attracting sexual partners. For instance, if you were going into a business meeting with a male investor, wouldn't you wear your nicest clothes, comb your hair, shave, etc, i.e. make yourself look as presentable as possible? Does that mean you're trying to fuck him? No, It's just a way to make yourself more presentable and pleasing to look at, which may in turn make a person take you more seriously or be more likely to want to go into business with you. Make up is no different than shaving, or putting in hair gel, or putting on a nice suit, or getting your shoes shined. The fact that you don't realize this makes me think you're the naive one that you've never actually been in an office or worked in a corporate environment. In case that didn't convince you, maybe you can answer this for me. There are several women in the office that I work in who are over the age of 60 and have been married for a long time. They wear make up every day to work. Do you think they are trying to get laid? Do you think it's appropriate to make sexual advances toward these women? OR is she only "asking for it" when its a hot 22 year old intern?
@@Edimonde makeup doesn't send any "signal" it's just a way for a person to improve their visual appearance. It's no different than wearing nice clothes or a Rolex watch or hair gel. If these things are only to attract sexual partners then why do people dress nicely or put on makeup even when they know they wont be in a situation with the opposite gender? It's not someone else's job to make sure that YOU are not sexually attracted to them. It's your job to read the room and act appropriately.
Personal experience from a woman- I wore a dress to the office, honestly about 2 inches above the knee, form-fitting. Got pulled into the office about complaints. I worked with all women. Come summer, co-worker wears short shorts, a good few inches above the knee & tank top, form-fitting. *crickets* I complained to another coworker, a really friendly lesbian. She broke it down as Karen looks like a librarian no matter what she wears& I “ooze sexuality” no matter what I wear (her words). No matter what the dress code says, it boils down to how you rock it coupled with how intimidating it is to those less attractive than you. Sad but true.
Brad1156 My problem with what she wrote is that she transitioned from personal experience with absolutely no reference to any statistical data to a broad sweeping statement about the topic. It's is in no way fair to say, and I'm paraphrasing here, "No matter what the dress code says all that matters is how you look in it and how many less attractive people are intimidated by it". This is an entirely biased and emotionally charge statement. Whether or not the majority of cases are exactly that is entirely irrelevant. The moment you believe life is a simple fork in the road is the moment you're lost.
I'm in awe of Rogan who can jump onto any discussion with anyone seemingly and keep the train going for such a Long time and have every second of it interesting
Jordan and Joe are the best intellectual ease for me between the piles of papers and books I go through daily. Thank you, gentleman for such many rich contents.
I very rarely agree with things Jordan says but damn is his demeanor refreshing. He sounds like a totally self aware, pleasant, respectable person who acknowledges his own faults.
I'm not a Peterson fan, but I've read his book in full and do observe him to have a wider opinion and I think this is what keeps me on his side of most arguments. He does not bullshit his flaws away but rather accepts them and asks you to discern your own opinion of his good and bad positions by yourself. I think it makes him a true intellectual speaker rather than just a popular or widely liked one, and is sadly missed in academia.
As long as people are not being intellectually dishonest, we should be able to respectfully disagree with each other. The problem is that we live in a post-truth, post-trust, virtuousness found in lying and dishonestly, rather that truth and fairness. Winning is more important that being factually correct or morally or ethnically true.
@@OlviMasta77 i can look it up for you if you want to. the workplace is - at least was- by far the most important meeting point for later marriage. if i remember it correctly 34% of couples met at the workplace. another interesting fact: the main reason for the rising gini coefficient is, that the main road to wealth (marry your boss) was effectively closed by... well i dont want to point my finger on anybody (the paper is publicly available on university of heidelberg but its in german)
Joe Rogan is a fantastic interviewer. He allows the interviewee to speak and explain without interruption. That Vice interview was a train wreck. If that interviewer was intellectually sparring with Dr Peterson he miserably failed
Why’s it so hard for people to admit that we have animalistic traits. It makes absolute sense that deep down the creation of beauty products is definitely deeper than just wanting to look good.
Le reddit silver member which still goes back to the question, why do you wear make up or use beauty products? It’s either to enhance the looks or to improve temporary confidence hence leading to looking better.. atleast those are the points that I can think of
and like jordan was saying, what does "I want to look good" even mean because as far as I can tell "looking good" is pretty inherently sexual. The very definition of what "looks good" is pretty much defined by sexuality
It's just to attract opposite sex as simple as that. That's why girls rarely care about their look in all girls school. While guys don't comb their hair when girls not around.
itsC0ll0n Looking good is not inherently sexual. If you’re a straight guy and you compliment a guy on how good his outfit is (“hey man, that’s a really nice suit”) you’re not asking to suck his dick. Wearing good makeup is the same thing as wearing nice clothes and accessories, it’s just that it’s hard for some guys to understand because makeup isn’t part of their routine, and they think of it as something ‘extra’. As a guy, have you never complimented a girl on how nice her shirt/sweater/outfit is without any sexual intent? Maybe it’s hard to understand for guys who don’t pay attention to how they dress and look (and thus don’t appreciate when someone else dresses well; some people are just like that), but it’s very natural for those who do. Plenty of straight guys want to dress well around each other not cause they subconsciously want to start an orgy but because they don’t want to look like bums. People dress well in the workplace and out in the open for the same reason-it’s perfectly possible they’re trying to pull someone but 99.9% of the time they just don’t want to look like someone who doesn’t take care of themselves. This is unrelated to office attire policy or whatever but I just thought that it was important to make this distinction clear.
@@ossiahonen601 it's not man crush it's ego. Whenever an intellectual steps in or someone with a fascinating story he constantly interrupts to let his subscribers know that he contributes to his own enterprise. Much like a frat boy that just adds his name to a project done by others.
Alot of people missing the point. Jordan is not saying anything bad about makeup at all. Hes trying to have a discussion about where the line is drawn. He used makeup as an example. Saying if people can control speech and gestures how far are they trying to go.
Josh G 800 likes to 80 dislikes at the moment for the video. So it is safe to assume that majority of the people who have watched the video, are not having a problem with Peterson's point. However, in these kinds of videos, the people who are extremely offended and riled up, will find the energy within themselves to make a comment. That is why you see much toxicity in the comment section of these videos. An offended person talks with his heart, not his mind.
no that wasn't what people were upset about, it was that he believes the why women wear heals and makeup. To be honest why not talk to a professional woman as to why they wear heals and make up. I willing to bet it's not because they want to sexualize themselves up. Which is what he firmly believes. THAT was what people are questioning him about.
I don't think that women think that makeup and high heels sexualize themselves any more than men think of suits as "uniforms" or ways to express modesty... he's saying that it's an implication that hasn't been addressed directly in such a way that we would change it. It's more that we're following a way of doing things as "this is how its done", and it was set up to be done that way 50-70 years ago.... wouldn't that be worth questioning at this point?
@Morgan Blair - Have you've seen the full uncut Vice video? He's not saying women dress up in heels and wear makeup and are sexulized as a result of an implication nor is he saying men wear suits to be in uniform is a result of an implication. He firmly believes women wear heels and make up to make themselves sexually attractive. And he firmly believes men wear suits as not to bring attention to themselves. That's the issue. He wrong on both accounts as least to the majority of the situations. Sure there are instances women can use makeup and heels sexually , and yes there are some men who wear a suit because they have to. But both sexes wear these attire to look professional, to look proper. to look respectful and to exude confidence. I think Peterson can be fascinating to listen to but what happens is many of his fans hang on to his every word as if it's infallible and he can't possibly be wrong.
It kinda sounds like he's being smug right now. He sounds like he's explaining himself. I agree with some things he says but he comes off smug sometime (not his fault he's a professor ) it's strange watching him call swome else smug lol
... The eye contact one had me drop my jaw.. I was raised "Look someone in the eyes when talking to them, show them your listening, you understand and respect the communication"..
When Peterson was talking about not having enough patience i honestly laughed out loud, if it was me i would pat myself on the back for not caving their skull in.
That explains it. Everything owned by ABC/Disney is a propaganda outlet. Look what they did with ESPN. Watch any show on the Freeform channel. See what they did to star wars. Every show or movie produced by them is filled with propaganda.
I’m going to say that a uniform for the workplace is completely out of touch with reality seeing that the military has some of the highest rates and issues with sexual harassment and assault
