Jordan Peterson ~ The Relation Between Intelligence & Music 

normal people : oh look goosebumps jordan peterson : oh look piloerrection

I can listen to this man all day

He tried to crack a joke about his lectures being a collection of loosely connected ideas and no one seemed to have laughed lol

How do I keep getting clickbaited by JP shorts where he mentions the title words for 4 seconds

This video has less to do with music and intelligence and has more to do with the association between openness and IQ.

I feel totally ripped off by ALL of my college psychology professors!

The title is misleading

I've got to admit, that I've seen some art that has erected a response.

Listening to Jordan Peterson gives me piloerections

I hope Jordan gets well and begins giving talks and interviews again. We need him.

Jordan Peterson’s favorite song is Rock Lobster

"Like my lectures for example" I see what you did there

I usually feel this piloerection whenever I listen to particularily good music. Something about it is just as massive dopamine release for me and I feel tingly everywhere

Music can also activate intelligence. Neuroscience has shown that especially Bach's music, unlike contemporary music, reacts with all areas of the brain. Due to it's complex counterpoint and fugal structures it basically works like multitasking muscle training because the brain has to identify several independent voices simultaneously instead of just one, simple, repetetive, accompanied melody.

i need to stop playing videos and immediately scrolling to the comments

When someone gets down and dances their heart out to a good beat it makes me want to get up and dance too.

Always fascinating to hear Mr Peterson speaking. But as a musician, I was looking forward to hearing what his take is on the effect that music has on the brain and its development, be it learning to play or simply appreciating good music (entirely subjective). I don't feel like I've lost four minutes and forty two seconds of what's left of my life but I have to wonder about who it is that decides how videos here are titled.

My cat get's philoerections from ASMR while purring with the right physical rhythmic petting. He also get's excited listening to music sometimes scratching the carpet and running playfully with a puffed up tail. He's very vocal, expressive, intimate, and intelligent.

He's a brilliant lecturer.

I remember being in high school when I got Björk's live box compilation. I listened to it on head phones and it brought me to tears without any sadness. I remember being so perplexed at the time

This intelligent lecture is music to my ears.

“My >120 IQ gives me goosebumps when I listen to Bruce Springsteen”

He just spent almost 5 minutes talking about Snarky Puppy - Lingus

There is actually a connection between the title and video..It’s just subtle.

what i find most interesting about intelligence related to music is the knowledge factor itself. So you may be intelligent but never learned to play anything due to a variety of reasons. When or if you learn to play later it is usually through someone teaching you. But what they teach you and how they teach you directly influences your ears and brain later. So music you used to like a lot may sound not as good to you later after some time spent learning to play due to this. This amazes me and to the point that I have gone out of my way to learn to play without anyone teaching me at young age of 47 just to kind of prove this to myself. Now I have picked up some knowledge along the way that I wanted to tighten up some of my own music making attempts so nothing wrong with that for each individual. But I don't think people realize this. I attempted to learn to play in the later 90's and didn't get very far with it at all but I did notice then that I was already not liking some of the music that I had otherwise loved before that point. I didn't like this as that music meant more to me than that and it caught me off guard a little. So when i moved on with my career as a technician i put the guitar down and gave up on it at that time as I didn't feel like I was getting anywhere with it anyway. Within a very short period of time that feeling about some of my favorite music not being as good as I thought went away and I found myself enjoying it again. This blows me away still that I would change my opinion on music by trying to learn to play it lol. But it's true. So I went a totally different route this time and when I picked the guitar back up a couple years ago I immediately just starting writing my own music and trying to put together some songs (have recorded about 35 of em since). I have had no instruction from anyone other than a couple tidbits from people i picked their brain on here and there. This time I find I still love all the same music that I used to without change. Now I don't know if I am very intelligent or average or below average / i repaired motorcycles for 23 years that most people didn't know how to and that's why they brought em to me but every one of em was its own process of troubleshooting and figuring it out so maybe I am at least average there. Point being though and this is why I thought I would mention this / I am not sure if there is not a difference in intelligence and knowledge at a high level. I have jokingly stated that I don't want to learn anymore about the technicalities of music or theory because I want to keep being able to write / try that one on and see it makes sense to ya / lol / it may not but I found this very intriguing and am still kind of in awe of it myself. Not saying everything I have written or composed since is great but there was so much freedom to not knowing theory and writing that way that it felt like I managed to write a lot easier. Now I have picked up more knowledge since by default as I have done this every day pretty much for almost 2 years now and suddenly my song writing has slowed down and can at times be a little more stressful due to that as I am getting pickier than before / keep in mind I still like all the songs I wrote before this just as much / WOW is all I can say the more I think about that. It tells me our ears train the brain which turns around and influences our taste in things a lot more than I ever realized before.

I honestly believe that with some music and thoughts that cause those whole body goosebumps have meaning

Thank you 🙏 Jordan Peterson

Five basic senses and four doors of the mind, which everyone moves through according to their need.

This dude is 1000% smarter than me I have no idea what those words mean!

This gave me tremendous amount of validation. Thanks.

I know what art sounds like and Jordan is most definitely an artist at his craft

Thank you 🙏 The Best

I listen this while cleaning my room

Jordan just explained the ASMR effect.

He is so brilliant, so many ideas in a lecture

This, Alice... is why a raven is like a writing desk!! Eureka!

He says that getting goose bumps from art is a sign of intelligence, then asks how many of his pupils have experienced goose bumps whilst experiencing art, what does he think the response is going to be ?

Huh. So I guess the one main thing I've learnt from this (that stuck out to me anyway) is the fact that this piloerection phenomenon isn't universal. Never would've guessed; I never thought such an experience was dependent on anything, other than being human.

I'm normally introverted but I think that's just due to my life from then to now. I'm in the rebuilding phase and I'm extremely desirable when it comes to things that would be extroverted.

Always interesting.

"To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Music."

A lot of people are not understanding what he's trying to say because they wish that what he says speaks more so about themselves rather than others. We all wish to be special, unique and anything that sets us apart from others we lap up. I believe what he's trying to say that experiencing a form of art can potentially instil and transcend someone into another domain of creativity. This differs on the person and how inspired they are and what they're trying to achieve. The openness is linked with how restrained the walls are around your brain, if you automatically reject ideas from source A or source B because it's preconditioned (for example if you follow a certain religion and only draw your creativity from that religion and reject anything that's not associated with it, this would be telling of your openness). Of course you also need to be able to comprehend the higher creativity echelons to contribute to it. To sum up, if I'm inspired by one story and comprehend it well because I'm intelligent enough to do so and push it further than it's original form; This is worse than being inspired by multiple stories and being intelligent enough to comprehend them, It's better to be inspired by the many and not the one. For how complex is the human and how intelligent must a person be to summarise it simply.

This is exactly what I was wondering about.

Thank you

Hey man link the original video. So we can see the whole thing.

I like to listen to him so I don't have to listen to myself all day

Multiple times a day I get goosebumps from music or something else

I totaly get that about the loosely connected ascociations. People struggle to keep up with my trains of thought sometimes because I seem to jump from one thing to another when I'm running through an idea. How to Apply the principles of or sourcing materials and in describing for clarification purposes the connections between my thoughts. When or if I get into it people often just look at me as if I'm weird. But I persist when I see a way to do. It troubles me that so many just stumble around faking confidence and then placing ther trust in that bubble, the lie that they've fed and nurtured for themselves. Only trust based in that which is true, confirms itself which then can be manifest as righteous confidence. All other bubbles are burst causing their inhabitants to tumble back to the beginning to start again where they are again enabled to acknowledge the truths that they ignored or overlooked. Comfort and traditions do blind and bind up a person though.

So this is going to be fun. I hope Jordan reads this one day.... I started to read Jung and we're basically the same person. But reckon this instead with music You begin to inhabit the music and learn how to let it transition through you. You can enter into music and prayer and it becomes you. The world around you changes and you see a kind of shine. Your mind pieces together various artwork in real life and creates scenes in the real world quite like paintings. You have reached the next level. You are empathic and can look into people. Now you can trigger archetypes with music and narratives and an aesthetically tangible state where you can feel a flow state and almost feel the music pass through you. Almost like a congruency with the world around you and the narrative. Even the universe you can choose to be in union with and it can make you function consciously and collectively. You can harness the power of the collective unconscious and embody public opinion. You can sing in ways that most people simply can't, almost like superhuman and with super human speed. You can enter into transcendent states of mind and you can imagine things deeply where you almost leave your surrounding world with your mind. Almost like walking into a dream. Hey yo, Jordan. wanna help a brother out?

I actually gave a 'mini lecture' if you will about these 'piloerections' in my psychology class, here we call it 'Frison'. At the end I played one of my favorite piano pieces (un sospiro by Frans Liszt) which always gave me a physical arousal while listening. I was surprised by the fact that not a single student felt the same arousal that I did, not even in a slighter degree.

Bro when I listen to a good piece of classical music, I sometimes feel my brain! It feels like the thing under my skull is extremely stimulated.

That was really interesting. Thank you :)

When he jokes, you must watch the replay so that you can laugh the other day.

If Jordan Peterson was my life coach, maybe I could channel the high IQ I've been blessed with into a more meaningful contribution to society. He's so intelligent and inspirational, makes one think that anything is possible.

I don't get goose bumps from listening to music, but I do listening to a BRM V16. Music sometimes sends me into a trance though.

So interesting pyloerrection wow music always makes my hair stand up and gives me chills

How many musicians like me wanted to know Jordan's perspective on our intellect?

Where does he speak about intelligence and music in this clip plse? Apart from being moved by contemplating any form of art one might like?

Great video Jordan👍👍

Openness is easy , when the truth is being said to ears that are prepared to listen.

I am not saying this in inaccurate... but saying that everyone who gets goosebumps from music have an IQ of at least 120 is wrong

I’m one of the few creative musical people that breaks the trend of intellectuals :)

This is useful.

In The Horse Whisperer movie, (Robert Redford, Scarlett Johansen), the aerial view of farmland accompanied by the sound of channel surfing an old AM frequency radio gives way to the indescribable view of the mountainous Wyoming/Montana expanse & is accompanied by a soundtrack that merges with the view. (Thank you, composer Mark Isham). Sometimes, the eye & ear candy merge is so strong you weep. I'm an introvert, but I've experienced multiple piloerections when the eyes, ears, & soul converge. Thank you, JP!

I bet he listens to Autechre all day

“Open people” are also fucked when it comes to taking in the state of the world. There are plenty of pros, but he could go on just as long about the cons....

I can listen to a lot of melodic "dance" music and I'll get goosebumps all over especially if it's a song I'm familiar with and enjoy. Don't have that feeling with most pop music regardless of genre.

I don't get 'piloerections' while listening to music. I get ecstasy and tears. Painting makes my heart go faster.

There is a mathematical relation between each of the notes of the major scale making music auditory math. This also means that the major scale is the same throughout the universe just as the Pythagorean principle is true throughout the universe.

Jordan talks a lot about IQ tests. It would be interesting to know what percentage of those with extremely high IQs (say, at least 180) have actually made mind-blowing innovations or produced artistic masterpieces. (In the case of many historic figures, I gather that their "high IQs" is speculative, or remains a reasonable guess, based on their achievements.) Has the person with the highest recorded IQ done any of the above? I have no doubt that such tests measure a certain layer of intelligence, maybe functional intelligence, but they don't measure the visionary level, which a true genius accesses. In my view, a genius is, essentially, an extremely creative person (no, not merely extremely intelligent), and what he/she creates or makes has not been done before. Or the creator (as seer) sees what hasn't been seen before. In the highest instances, the genius' contribution winds up elevating our collective consciousness. Extremely intelligent people don't necessarily fall in this category, because what they do, while interesting, even fascinating, is still not all that original or innovative. That's why even the majority of great intellectuals are not geniuses. So to reiterate my question: what percentage of those with extremely high IQs are innovative or great artists?

The ball of steel

Loved this again, JP I don't always agree with you but you are impressive

Title Correction: The relationship between intelligence and creativity. He didn't mention music ONCE.

Well, it depends on how you define music.

Remembering things is about the rhythm of sequence . Music helps. I hope I got this right.

I love what says in this clip🥰❤

My I.Q. rises everytime I listen to G.G. Allin.

"It's very rare for people to make any major contribution to a creative sphere unless they have an IQ of over 120." Actually, it's very rare for people to make any major contribution to a creative sphere simply because most people will not have the opportunity to do so. Socio-economic status, race, geography and an abundance of considerations are factors that will prevent most of the people in the world from making any major contributions. Every person has something major to contribute.

JP is the man

I learnt something new about myself. Nothing more pleasurable:)

ADHD sure makes me open.

Intellect and intelligence are different things, Jordan refers to intelligence as logic

Wow

There was an SNL Taxi Driving recurring part called Old Two Eyes. The Guy would talk about Music and it's purported that he came up with the entire Idea to get gainfully employed, so I gave to now admit that he's real Smart

the IQ industry is sure winning thanks to the likes of him ...

This guy always posts vids with misleading titles

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="262">4:22</a> Maybe.. hahah love this guy

Watching Jordan Peterson videos often gives me a massive piloerection. There, I said it.

I think this is why people call me a narcissist, They say things to me and they can’t understand that I have an entire book in my head for each and every thing that you can possibly say to me

I’m very intelligent. I’m just not smart enough to know it.

obviously i would agree as a songwriter 😊

I am into philosophy, muses, and art.

Glad to learn that I'm not an idiot for loving sounds and all kinds of quality music! ✌ p.s. I suspect that the good heart of Mr. Peterson has recently learned to be wary of low IQ individuals... 😉

PULL THIS VIDEO and RELABEL IT !!! Do EVERYONE a favor since the title is clearly an editorial slip-up and does not describe the content.

So l'm not really a thicko. Glad to hear it

Well for me peacefull sounds I.e Sound near the seashore,rain,even air or artificial sound(music)(environment)they works like a coolant its absolute while thinking brain will be in heavy loud so music etc helps to reduce this stress

I don't know about this, because I have met some very creative musicians who are dumber than a box of rocks and have zero common sense. Sorry, but it is true. In fact, musicians are some of the most non-open, closed minded people I've ever worked with.

Here's a debate: what's the difference between intelligence, intelligent, intellect and cunning/being clever?...

When I realized one day out on the porch with my dog that she understood what I was saying and I understood what she was thinking, yeah the hair on the back of my neck stood straight out. Female Boxer and she was absolutely brilliant. I really miss all of my dogs that I have had in my life, they just don’t live long enough.

“Like my lectures” lol