Just a correction, sensei: The protector scoring system (PSS) is set to require a certain amount of force to score based on the following: Gender, Weight Class, Age. Just a touch doesn't score. The highest damage required to score is in the men's +87 kg category (heavyweight). You should look around for a local dojang that has the Daedo PSS (the one used in Olympic competition) and check it out in training as well as a few rounds. The body protector and helmet detect contact and pressure, each person wears a sock that has magnets in it so the only way to score with a kick is to hit with the ankle bone down with the required amount of pressure. Punches are scored manually by referees (2 out of 3 have to agree it was hard enough to warrant a point) and the +2 for spins is also manually added by corner referees. The center referee calls penalties (+1 point for the other person). Scoring on a stationary person vs one who is moving away from the strike or moving with the strike can make a big difference in scoring chances. I know you like to shit on Olympic TKD in a partially serious partially for fun way but you should check out some professional equipment and national level competitors some time. You can probably find a high level heavyweight in your area. If you can't find a Daedo set up the only other one used officially by World Taekwondo is called the KPNP PSS. Also if you ever want to check out Kukkiwon TKD applied outside of the Olympic rule set look up someone like Kwon Kicker Micah Brock or Master Lee Dong Hee of Kangjin TKD. It's all the same skills but with more open rules. This is the style that seems more popular with adults in Korea and it's definitely catching on here in North America too.
Nah, sorry, if they used those rules it's stupid as shit. Linus could have kicked the head much stronger, he held back his kick not to injure the kid, come on. Just count it properly.
For clarity, they both trained 15+ years ago so they haven't trained for years. They only had like a week of prep leading up to this. If you happened to skip past it, when Linus caught Dennis' kick, the way Dennis went down on Linus' leg aggravated an old knee injury Linus has had for years. He could hardly bend his knee for days later due to it potentially buckling. Both of them powered through. TKD Tech Champs! 😆 I'm looking forward to the rematch they've agreed to - better training, better prep, better match. I wonder if this will kick off a TDK Tech Tournament for all techies on RU-vid. 🤔That would be fun - especially if it went full MMA. Everyone knows you gotta go full MMA!
Not personally a fan of this sort of point fighting, but mad respect to them for even remotely seriously partaking in any real form of combat sport. Most people don't even have the stones for that.
My favorite part about this is that they agreed to do a rematch where they both seriously train for a few months rather than two weeks. Glad to see two of my passions colliding!
As a Ex-TKD instructor I always found the scoring arbitrary at this skill level. The rules used to be to score a strike it had to land with enough force to basically move you or affect your body position. Many low level competitors don't hit with enough force to do that so it was kinda up to the ref. Unless you are taught how to bully in the clinch and strike off the break you often got guys with low guards standing in punching range not knowing what to do next (rarely is a punch deemed strong enough to score). Also the tendacy to put your kicking foot down in front of you to chase the retreating opponent causes a lot of this awkward punching range stalemate. Eventually you learn how to angle off or punch to clinch and strike off the break. I have no clue how or why they came up with this rule set. I think they are talking a rematch with more kickboxing style rules.
I came in here not knowing what to expect, but left with more appreciation for those guys. These videos usually make me cringe as a mma guy but we all gotta start somewhere right! These guys have a great attitude and I think tkd is a great place to start martial arts along with karate. Thank you sensei for another great video.
@@basedbane787 exactly! But it does depend on the person. If you truly have love for martial arts tkd is a great gateway for the more advanced arts. But if you just wanna do something cause you saw it in a Bruce lee movie tkd is also great for you!
@@loganstabb2278 yea but it becomes a problem when people learn some 540 kick tricking stuff an think they can disarm gunmen or knives or fight three people at once ext
they talked about this video in their wan show vlog thing they do (kind of a behind the scenes chat about the various videos they made throughout the week) and a lot of the discussion was regarding the rules and how they were 'followed' or not, and gaming the system, rather than fighting 'properly'. i think they were as confused as you regarding the calls/points awarded, and both kinda trying to figure out what was going to work or not. he also mentioned that he wants to do it again. you should hit him up and secretly train linus, considering dennis had a glory kickboxer helping him.
Very informative 👏 Many people have misconceptions on what Taekwondo is because of the popular Olympic Style (Foot Fencing) and the ATA Style (American Mcdojos).
the sensors are supposed to only score if the kicks are of a certain force level but they are so low it doesn't really matter unless you're fighting in the wrong weight class. I saw this thing called Armor20:20 that looked pretty cool where instead of points you get health bars. you should buy some and test them!
In WT it isn't just a touch, it needs to have some power behind it, befor the sensors corner judges often had to go by sound, with the sensors though they are calibrated to weight and gender category.
Love it! I was just as confused and weirdly impressed as Sensi Seth when I watched the original. Linus is his boss. And Linus apparently helps with his kids class who does the same martial art he did as a kid (and has a black belt in) but doesn't actually train besides that. Also they're in Canada. So close enough to California (I'm totally kidding).
LOL Sensei Seth just wants to see people getting kicked in the head. I have to laugh even harder because typing the above made me remember the first Sensei Seth video I saw had me rolling laughing about what the Martial Arts kicked lately. (Taekwondo "Mostly kids")
not all gear comes with sensors and combat by the old rules the point is only awarded for an actual hit you can hear, or knocks back your oponent... yet idk which rule set they were going by but the gear didnt seemed electronic, but maeby iam wrong
Yeah I saw Linus doing a turning side-kick to a monitor one time and I thought wow the technique is very clean and educated, dude must have done some TKD. So that makes sense, hey. (Bet you didn't see that pun coming)
If you watch linus in one of his podcasts after the fight, they agreed to no scoring on the head. That's why his hands were down the whole time. He was too tired to hold them up and linus couldn't hit him in the head to remind him
Your allowed to punch to the head. At least in a school setting. the Olympics on the other hand... nope. So they might just be following more of a kick boxing like kinda rule. Where I train, we punch to the head and body, and kick to the head, body and inner thigh. We can take down people too. It would be nice if that were more what they showed, but because of the Olympics and the rules they set, that's what's popular.
I think it's reasonably that good for who it is. I'd be surprised if they do sparring often, so they are throwing like they're fighting a bag or pads, but thats just how it is.
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Bro if they were doing actual judo throws on each other which thankfully they don't know how to perform, one of them would be in hospital from this or worse. You don't do real grappling on rock solid ground not unless you are out to hurt someone or worse.
I have seen 13 year old girls in K1 fights where they weren't allowed to punch to the head too. Let's just say the girls showed more aggression. And had better cardio.
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