Kenny Ossen and Michael Ossen Are Thieves. | STOLEN ROLEX STORY PT. 1 

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Keep showing the names and faces to make these dirt bags famous on each video you make to not let this be forgotten.

Incredible story of fraud. How do some people sleep at night, obviously very well. Sad some people can be this way. Love the channel. Keep up the great content !

Allegations of theft against someone who works with seniors can be catastrophic to that person's business. It is crazy that anyone involved with services to seniors would risk such an accusation as this video indicates. It's just not theft but also credit card fraud and possibly other crimes. Some states specifically bar individuals who have been convicted of fiduciary crimes from working with elders. I predict that in the long run, this situation is going to cost Ossen a lot more than 5300 bucks he ripped off.

i come for the watch content, i stay for the banter. you cant script this stuff. hilarious

“More text on the dial, the better”? Michael is insane, nobody else in the world feels that way haha 😂

Reguarding the VC overseas limited edition: I think the difference is provenance, in that you pay $25k for the watch and $500k for the back story. Provenance is usually the reason these watches go for skyscraper prices. 2000 people have the watch, but only one of them has the story.

So nice to see a watch channel genuinely trying to look after its viewers with great advice. Look at what is going on over at The Timeless Watch channel right now, which serves to show fraud can happen to absolutely anybody

I watch every video that you guys put out. My favorite watch channel by far! Keep up the great work guys. Always fantastic to see the chemistry between the two of you.

Regarding stolen watches, we've all seen what happened even among popular watch youtubers, where they purchased watches and promised to pay after receiving the watches, but they never intended to pay them afterwards. Or they received watches for reviews and then "forgot" to return them back. That's just sick and these people, together with the "investors", are ruining this watch community.

I got hustled like this in 2018 for $3400. Took the guy to small claims court and LOST because I didn’t have Christian’s lawyer-sense of organizing evidence. Hearing his name still enrages me. Money gone, lessons learned, world keeps turning. Can’t wait for part 2

This game is ruthless, ready for the next episode! need to hear the conclusion.

Anxiously awaiting to hear the resolution! Thieves and dishonest people absolutely send me to the moon INSTANTLY. I understand your demeanor and frustration. :) Sympathetic party here.

“It’s as if Gérald Genta designed a watch for Rolex”. Technically he did design the modern Pash de Cartier. 😂

ALWAYS NAME NAMES! Shine a spotlight on the cockroaches and watch them run to hide. Thank you for all your content.

When you said that your wonderful mother had put her money into your account because she felt responsible it brought a tear to my eye because my wonderful mother, who has sadly gone home to her lord and saviour, would have done the same thing. If I was in your situation, trust me... those two gentlemen would have been begging for the police to save them.

Love the fraud story but not at your expense. So many low lives out there, very interested on how it ended. I myself had an issue once with a expensive transaction and fortunately the seller was a gentleman and it was resolved in a few days. I also agree sometimes pay a little fee and sleep well that same night. Great info guys to the community, Jeff.

Hey, love your channel. Just about the Vacheron Auction...I was a guy who cheered in my early days too, even whilst at home (with a few drinks) whilst bidding, BUT I quickly became one of the subdued types when that "rush" of victory is replaced by the thought of those RAPACIOUS commissions. Speaking of which, how about you do a video on how the industry has come to accept the outlandish commission structure where both Sellers & Buyers, as in the history of Antiquorum's early days when those commissions were actually acceptable given the small market & work involved for Antiquorum. Cheers!

Wow, what a crapy thing to have happen. One of the things I value most in a person is integrity… I live by my word and have done many deals on a hand shake, it is sad that not everyone can be like this.

Great discussion (as always). And very cool to have been there with a friend for the Cory Richards VC…bet it was a heck of a night celebrating afterwards!

"Wrestle with pigs means you'll both be covered in shit except the pig likes it..." That has to be one of the most amazing idioms I've ever heard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Love how the first word on his LinkedIn "about" section says ... "TRUSTWORTHINESS!"

Ugh man, i’m so sorry that happened. The main lesson I learned from my time in law enforcement is that bad people do bad things to good people every single day, and that’s never not going to be the reality of life. Even the people in your life that you consider to be good people, some of them surrounding you are just bad people and the only incentive they need to stab you in the back is the opportunity.

Cliffhangers? Cliffhangers? You boyz got cliffhangers? Ugh.. Fraud is one of the most insidious of crimes because it preys on people's generosity. As the "worse case scenario guy" in my business, I'm always hyper-vigilant... and to be honest... it's sometimes exhausting but I sleep better at night (maybe because I'm exhausted). You folks are in a tough business, I tip my hat to T&H! Great story, Christian.

It’s so disappointing hearing this happened to you. So good you have the balls to let us all know.

“I don’t look strong, I look lumpy” best part of the episode.

Just a slight precision on the two Everest Overseas, they are actually limited to 150 pieces each, and only allocated to serious existing VC customers. In this conditions, I’d say that this doesn’t diminish by any means the value of the piece unique, these are so rare and limited that you’d hardly ever come by another one. Also the RRP for the dual time is technically 25k$, it’s definitely not available to the general public at that price …I’d guess that if ever one shows up on the second hand market it’ll be multiples of that RRP. Let’s put that into perspective, the DT Everest is rarer than the Tiffany Nautilus !

This is the same for the British Royal Mail service. By law once its out of their sorting office and on a van to be delivered they have to send it to the address. I found this out the hard way also.

A buddy of mine lost a PP. Received bank wire from a buyer on FB. He shipped the watch. Bank reversed the wire transaction after 3 days. Watch was delivered by FedEx next day. His mistake he did not notice shipping destination was a convenience store that provided parcel pickup service and not a home address.

The level of trust in the watch community is insane. Fortunately there’s an awesome forum in Canada with so many amazing trusted sellers/buyers. I’ve been there for 12 years and never a single scam resulting in a monetary loss. Best way to protect yourself is accept bank wires only. Even after seeing money deposited, call your bank and confirm it was a wire and not a third party in-branch deposit. Once a wire is accepted by the receiving bank and deposited, there’s virtually nothing the sender can do to get the money back.

All forum/reddit sellers seem to say they only accept friends and family or crypto. A lot of them don't want to pay income tax on the sales of the watches and with the new tax laws that can only be avoided with F&F payments or crypto. But I agree it's very dumb to send a stranger $10k with no buyer protection no matter what their reputation is. You could be the transaction they decide to break from their reputation.

Why not involve the authorities ? With so much proof , this definetely needs to be reported and they have to go to jail.

Gotta call out the Scams. Great video!

My favorite thing about this podcast is Theo and his dad. The three of you should do a monthly podcast

Robbed here, on 3 separate occasions. 1 met a bumble girl had her over… when she arrived it became clear she was a “pro” I asked her to leave and she was pissed she wasn’t getting paid. A week later she texted me apologizing and said she was meeting a friend nearby but her friend was late and she had nowhere to wait (it was freezing and raining), I let her wait in my living room with me until letting her know I had to leave, she followed me out and must have just put a card in the door or something so it didn’t auto lock like it should have. She doubles back and cleared out 80% of my collection including really special watches that I loved that were mildly valuable, and watches I had for investment that were extremely valuable including a pair of 6263 panda and reverse panda, a 15400 rose, a 15400 steel with blue and a 15500 white dial, a 39mm explorer, a Cermit (ceramic kermit), a rose DD with linen dial, 3 vintage tudors, and my personal favorite watches that I spent a ton of time and effort acquiring what I think was the only complete set in existence of Vintage Bulova royal oaks, white dial blue dial, two tone white dial, and gold and champagne dial. Don’t get me wrong losing hundreds of thousands in watches was traumatizing, but worse was when I found her on an escort service offered her 50,000k to bring them back and she said “i know you’re setting me up cus they were all fake and I could barely get 5000 for them. Obviously when she brought them to whoever he knew right away they were stolen and she had no idea what she had, so to think someone got all my watches by stealing from a thief that really sucks. Then I also got ripped off from chrono24 TWICE. Bought two Tudor snowflakes, one the guy edited the photos to change “Swiss made” on the dial to t Swiss t … if u don’t know a 7016 with a service dial isn’t worth 1/5th of one with an original, and 9401 turned out to have a replicated Tudor stamped 2842 I think is the movement - so yea it’s a lot easier to lose close to half a mill in watches than you’d think. Insurance helped but obviously I still took big losses, and worst of all I lost a lot of the passion for watches.

Ridiculous this happened to you. Sorry to hear about this. About to check out Part 2

Great video and love the inside information on your experiences. Christian, keep biting those pillows-just kidding.

Not surprised. fraud happens in every industry especially one-on-one transactions like that. That sucks but it's good to learn from these interactions.

Just giving you a quick update : Michael Ossen did it again. Ordered stuff (several times) from our brand and blocked withdrawals after reception. He's a thieve and a scammer, and he needs to go to jail. I'm confident he did this with several other people.

"my Rolex was robbed". What was stolen from it?

I got scammed out of $300 and filed a police report for which the Police never did anything..I can’t imagine losing anymore than that lol

Just like Michael, I actually like the paragraphs Rolex write on their watches 😅.

Christian killing me with he cliff hanger!!!!!!

Working as a Chargeback Analyst for a company, people will do anything to get over. Payments from over 10 months aren't truly secured. Even if the transaction is tokenized it's not a sure thing. Tokenized transactions are the best bet against chargebacks.

Someone should post the social media links to the actual scammers (so people with the same names aren't unfairly contacted).

You guys should do a podcast. Love the content 👏🏽

Great video. That fraud story was rough to listen to. Sad.

Great and shocking story. UPS should have stopped the shipment, shocking!

Great video. The Lange is the 1815 Annual. Stunning watch.

Great story you had him 🥶 cold I'm glad you exposed these rat 🐀 bastards

the VC everest is one of my al time fave's. If I could find a time and place to purchase the limited run of the steel... I'm doing it. the original is out of my grasp

I own a small dog poop clean up business, almost every month someone bails on payment and ghosts me on the follow up. It's only ever $50-$100 at a time but over the years it really adds up. I always go back and forth on returning everything I cleaned, but I can't risk the bad reviews, so I just simmer. If you guys want access to any amount of dog shit just hit me up. We can work on the cross country delivery but I'll give a good deal. I'm talking hundreds if not thousands of pounds if you want to send it to someone

My favorite watch is the VC Overseas Everest Dual Time, but no chance to get it. It was sold out first day cause only 150 were made. It has an MSRP in the 30k range and it was sold out in a blink of an eye. I'm trying to find a place to sell me the blue Overseas Dual Time even though I have no purchase history with any VC.

If you go to Kenny Ossen's LinkedIn profile the first word in his about section is trustworthiness which is incredibly ironic.

That fraud story…unreal.

I can relate to the fraud story. One of my (former) distributors ghostly me for $7000 early this year.

Christian, please tell me where that shirt is from?? Thanks 🙏

One screen shot show that he works at Infowars. No kidding.

On the seller's side, it's also risky transacting with the 3% PayPal fee because the buyer could make a claim saying he never received the watch. And I hear PayPal usually sides with the buyer.

At 6:29 the Lange is an 1815 Annual Calendar

the scammer works at infowars lol

I'm not a big credit card guy, but how did he initially pay for the watch via card only for the payment to not go thru? Shouldn't you only deliver the watch once the payment is good?

Michael I agree with you about loving text on a dial...when don't nicely it's freaking awesome

Working in public service Ive had many experiences with people who cant be shamed or embaressed and have no capacity for personnel reflection or improvement.The only solace to be had in this situation is the possibility these perps will lose more money because of their new notoriety than they made stealing Christians watch.

On my way to get my Vacheron Fiftysix this week at the NYC location…

That deposit move by your mother feels familiar. Thank God for great mums.

I like text on dials. Makes it appear ‘capable’

Guy in the uk just got scammed for £19,000 for a hulk.I think they switched watches.

What a wild story. I can't imagine how angry I would be. Definitely hanging a cliff for the end of this story.

This show is starting to come into its own. Keep it up chumps.

Some some people got in touch with me as you after I wrote a comment on one of your videos telling me that I won a Rolex because he picked my comment and they wanted my personal information to send the watch .Of course I didn’t believe it and they’ve sent me one of your pics taken with someone to convince me that it was you

The pelagos is a small technical book, sure, though have you seen the Rolex Jubilee Dial? lol

i would've booked a flight to his address as soon as i felt like i was getting robbed.

Some people are scum bags. Horrible

Screwing up is one thing, trying to stiff a small business for 6k is low

I had the same thing happen to me selling a magic deck. Kid buys deck i ship it out. A day later the kids dad wants to return it while its in the mail because he claimed the kid used his credit card without asking. Thats not my problem so i say no. Deck gets delivered and they charge back their card. Paypal destroys them and i keep the money

What is the shirt though? That's super cool looking!

Why don't more people in the watch community use USDC?

NOTHING like seeing 2 guys share a mic...

I bought a watch from a guy using Paypal. he wanted me to use Paypal Friends and Family. He was very specific. I had never heard of that before and looked into. Well with Paypal Friends and Family you have no recourse. He could have easily ripped me off. So I insisted on using normal Paypal. I did get my watch but it was pretty nerve wracking.

The Lange you watch spotted is actually a 1815 Annual Calendar

Christian looking like Dov Charney, former CEO of American Apparel.

Oh my god the LinkedIn and social media posts 😳

I also think the Pelagos looks amazing with all of the text!! 😂

Building a watch community is important. We have one in Shanghai where we meet and trade watches. Redbar Sh. I wouldn’t buy second hand watches from anyone who is not in that group.

Where is that shirt from :o

Yo Christian. Where can I get that shirt?

This comment is much newer than the video. Just fell into watch obsession, maybe in past two weeks. I have hobby addiction/obsession problems so in two weeks time I've absorbed more than most people would, what's the deal with an Oris Kermit watch(haven't locked onto many ref #s yet).

never negotiate with a conman

Oisin at TWC just steals money and watches.l,

What watches do you recommend to celebrate pride month?

Cant you call the cops on them? You have their address you sent it to. You can report them and you have evidence

New viewer. Go lord you have beautiful hair!

Reverso and Upside-down-o

Sorry, but the Pelagos does NOT have too much text. It looks perfectly balanced.

Who puked on your shirt is the real question. 🤔

The title story starts at: 18:45 :)

Michael! Where did you get that shirt????

Why did harris buy a bottle of wine for 200 dollars then get angry about it?

Haven't watched Theo and Harris for a while....why does Christian look like a drug smuggler based out of 1960's Havana?