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They all jumping on him when he’s absolutely right. What KD did wasn’t impressive

I’m shocked at how many Ls the other three took here. Like acho is supposed to be the insane one

Acho was 100% right on this one. Add any all NBA player and they win

He went to a 73 win team. He will always be viewed with a question mark not a asterisk.

He just beat 3 people on the panel by himself. That's why Shady walked off

Acho nailed it. GS didn't 'need' KD. All they needed was an upgrade on Harrison Barnes. Winning this season with Wiggins proves that. KD was a great complimentary piece.

Simple: 1. KD without Steph = 0 Championships 2. Steph without KD = 2 Championships

I mean all you have to look at is this year Warriors were finally healthy after adding Andrew Wiggins and were able to win a title with a depleting Draymond and Klay. The fact that they think GSW wouldn't have won if you sub in Kawhi or Giannis for KD. After seeing GSW replace KD with Andrew Wiggins and still win is funny. The proof is there but they are caught up in KDs talent and accomplishments thanks to GSW.

Kevin Durant needs to win another title to prove he can lead a team to a chip. The Warriors had already been to the Finals 2 years in a row. All KD did was make an championship team unbeatable, he didn't prove he could lead a team from the trenches into the promised land.

Warriors had Barnes won a chip, replaced Barnes with KD won a chip, replaced KD with Wiggins won a chip. KD was literally extra ammo or attachment. For the warzone heads

The Kobe versus Harden and Westbrook is valid. Kobe was a kid just like they were. Whether better or not the argument is valid from Acho

America can take a poll right now and majority would say he needs to win another to validate that. I swear they are deflecting so bad. And I love Joy Taylor.

Acho preaching! There’s no way you can say Kawhi couldn’t replace KD on that team

KD absolutely needs a title on his own -- his legacy was OBLITERATED this year.

Acho went to work on all three of them. KD made the Warriors unbeatable that doesn’t mean there weren’t at least 10 other players the Warriors could of added and still won the championship. If Paul George went there we wouldn’t call him pandemic P anymore just look how quickly Wiggins narrative changed.

Acho has came a longgggg wayyyy and formulates his point in a very calculated manner. Hes become one of my favorite analyst, good ish acho

Harrison Barnes vs KD vs Wiggins come on KD wasn't needed that much . All they need was a wing defender who could score . There offense is too good .

GS were highly capable of winning without KD. KD just made it unquestionable Without him it’s more competitive but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have won Replacing Kd can still win titles as wiggins just proved lol

1 against 3… 1 had definitely the best answer.. KD needs a title without jumping on a championship team.. he didn’t drive the bus..

KD needs one of his own to be regarded as highly as other top 25 players. It doesn’t retract from his legacy as a great player, but he’s not in that category for me until he can do it

I understand u ancho, no one hates on KDs game. Steph got disrespected and what he do??? went out won a championship and MVP yet KD all he does is tweet

Well Acho has a point. Kobe was not an MVP candidate his first years with Shaq he wasn't. IF your going to spurn Shaq and say he had Kobe because Kobe eventually became an MVP then you gotta hit KD, Russ and Harden with it too because they all became mvps

KD needs another title to HAVE a legacy. He has a top 10 all time talent, can't dispute that, but when it comes to legacy, he'll be remembered most for blowing a 3-1 lead to the 73 win Warriors and then joining them. Yes his numbers was great with the warriors, but it's easy to have great numbers with Steph and Klay on your team. Had he stayed with OKC, he would've had a legacy. But now he needs a title with Brooklyn asap.

Why do they keep saying Durant filled in for all the pieces they lost? The Warriors lost all those pieces BECAUSE they signed Durant and couldn't afford a deep bench anymore. It's not as though they lost everyone, and Durant stepped in to save them. Before Durant, the second unit was almost as good as other teams' first units.

It's not about legacy It's all about win a title without Curry

I dont remember this many coming to bat for Steph Curry, I don't wanna hear it. KD gotta prove he can do it without Steph the same way Steph had to prove 'again' that he didn't need KD.

Yeah if steph needed a finals mvp then he need to win without a 73 win team

The problem is that wing player on the level of Demar Derozan or Bradley Neal likely would have got the job done. KD ensured that they couldn’t lose. There’s really no similarity between what he and Lebron did besides changing teams.

Durant himself understands that he needs to win without GS. That's the only reason that make sense as to why he left.

give the warriors pg kawhi jokic giannis siacam any top 15 center or forward and they win another title that's why the league was so mad bc they knew getting durant made them unbeatable but if they got any other player they still would be title favorites every year and thats what acho saying they didn't need the second best player in the nba if they had a top 25 -30 player they still beating the cavs at least once out of those two meetings in the finals which means they didn't need kevin durant, acho is the only one with common sense they making it seem like the warriors got blown out they lost by a late shot by kyrie bc everyone was tired so stop this they would have been just fine but they wanted to maximize their chance by getting kd as you can see with Wiggins he can help them win a ring and nobody considered him an allstar level player before this year

Kd just needed overwhelming odds to get a championship. Completely different from what lebron did Miami was not a championship team. They didn't need to make the playoffs the year before he got there. All KD did was go to the Warriors and be a great scorer It's easy to do that when you don't have to worry about double teams and you're not the main focus of the offense. KD without the Warriors He's Karl Malone Charles Barkley Patrick Ewing. But the Warriors without KD Would still be champions

Warriors won NBA without KD. KD demonstrated that he needed Warriors to win. He couldn't win before and after the Warriors.

With all this arguments, I wish draymond never called KD smh then we’d see what happens after. Acho is schooling them and their points are invalid

Love this episode! I love seeing how passionate they all are about this topic.

13:20 is when Acho made all them feel like idiots. Look at their faces as they finally sit in silence 😂😂😂

Big props to Acho for standing his ground. Talk about thinking for yourself. 😂 💪

KD is in the conversation of the greatest players of all time. Those discussions and debates inevitably come down to splitting hairs....and as long as we're splitting hairs, him joining a 73 win team to win his only titles will always be a knock

You can't compare KD to the other greats because it doesn't match up, objectively. It just doesn't. Edit: Tracy McGrady definitely wins at least rings if he was with the Lakers. Vince Carter at LEAST gets one.

Imagine Jordan joining the Bad Boy Pistons? Bron joining the Celtics.. Shady tales are trash btw

KD is the most media protected superstar of all time

Joining a historically monstrous 73-9 team is giving up and jumping into the bus as a passenger and the bus was already being driven on the championship track. Durant really changed nothing. KD just made things easier for the Warriors... He was like "invulnerability" code for them. KD was just a cherry on top. Durant and his legacy is still a work in progress. KD is one of the best scorers to ever play, no question about that. He is a great player, he is still and probably will be missing some of the intangible attributes the people on the NBA Mt Rushmore have... There are plenty of great players that have played and have had incredible impact on the court, but of the top of the top people, only a few of them have been able to lead and win on sheer willpower alone... And these guys are on Rushmore. LeBron, MJ, Magic, Kareem. Who knows what Bill Walton might have been if his legs didn't fail him? Who knows what the OKC might have been if they didn't trade Harden? Who knows if the Cavs ran it back with Kyrie that they wouldn't have won another one? If Jordan didn't retire after 98? If Shaq got injured like Zion? The game is highly competitive and the pool of talent keeps on getting wider and deeper with time. In these last playoffs, of the teams in the conference semifinals, you could see any of them eventually winning it all. Memphis was maybe a step behind the rest as they were so young, but it wouldn't have been a huge controversial upset if they did... Warriors have a shot again next year, but there are plenty of teams coming and I believe it will be even more competitive next year... It is a really good time to be a basketball fan! That's all I have to say! The social media interaction that you can have with these players too is unprecedented. I just hope they can find a way to help the players stay more healthy...

It just doesn’t look good on paper historically. They won before him, they won with him, and they won after him. It’s like he didn’t matter. He just needs to win a championship on a team where his presence actually matters and the pressure is on him to deliver.

Harden was a MVP when he played with KD. Did they forget they've played together the last 2 seasons

Everything KD's won has been on a stacked team. His standalone legacy is almost 0 :)

This topic and the tiptoeing around on this topic lets me know the media is poisonous, the same people that were driving the narrative that Steph needed a finals MVP to cement/validate his legacy are trying to say a player with 2 less rings who hasn't won without Steph doesn't need another title to validate his legacy smh.... Toxic bs

Just my opinion, but GSW had a chip when KD got there....I do not feel he would have gotten 2 chips without joining them. I agree, KD is a great player, but he does need to win one on his own.

I see Shady is the opposite of Pat Bev. He stands up for every player🤣

Where's Wiley tho?

Acho spittin’ that 🔥🔥🔥⛅️

Let us Look at GSW 2022 and 2017 1. Curry/ Klay/ Green/ Iggy are 5 years older 2. Curry and Klay went through major injuries 3. Warriors replaced KD with Wiggins in the starters GSW still wins the title relatively easily and we know how good the team was. Conclusion: KD made Warriors unbeatable. But with Kawhi, Giannis, PG or even Beal, Wall, Butler, they would have won the titles. Now, Giannis 2021 and Curry’s 2022 champion make KD look like a 🤡 If KD end his career without another title, he will be ranked somewhere around Dirk (18-20) Solution: KD can find a way joining Celtics this summer……..

ACHO THE ONLY ONE WITH SOME SENSE!! GET EM ACHO

Joy trying to quickly silence Achoo with the gr8 point he just made. Nobody is saying KD isn't gr8 but,PG,Kawhi, Giannis then, Butler all not as good as Durant still would have won with GSW if they replaced KD. And remember KD was not regarded as the unquestionable Best in the world b4 he joined Warriors,he was one of the best but got this adulation of the best after the 2FMVP also cos it was against Lebron. Hasn't done anything on that Level since then either. KD should feel more gr8ful to the warriors than they shld, without those 2 rings he'll just be James Harden type player now.

Terrible analogy McCoy, comparing KD to Peyton is dumb

If curry needed validation, then so does Durant. Absolutely. If there’s this convo that the warriors didn’t need Durant, or did, then definitely. Granted I’m a curry fan, but it should go both ways…

It’s simple KD doesn’t go to warriors no rings no finals mvps

Acho!!!!!! You're spot on......

But here's the problem though Slick, you say KD made the Warriors unbeatable. I agree. But if KD made them unbeatable, any other halfway decent player would have still at least made them a very good team. Which is enough to contend and potentially win a championship, like they just did. So at the very least the question becomes, if KD doesn't go to GS, does he even have a championship to begin with. Steph has proven he can win without KD. Can KD win without Steph. Time will tell, but if Steph wins another championship and KD doesn't... 😅

A leader of a team that won a title is the notch to be added.

Hope everyone else is putting in as much work on their own legacy, as they do on commenting on KD’s

I like having more folks in the conversation. It makes it more dynamic

my question is what if kd didnt join gsw will kd be ranked one of the greatest plyer of all time or be just as great player

KD would have never won a title without going to the Warriors. Plus, all that talent but so fragile, how can you even rank him that high when he hasn't played more than 50 games every season. Warriors winning this one just proves that they never needed him, he needed them.

Acho.. low key trolling yo!!!😆😁💀💀💀

Why are some in the media so adamant on defending KD now? Yall afraid he will @ you? Its quite clear that if u added any top 10 player on that GSW team they could have won more rings. Bogut was injured, Dray smacked Brons balls and no one wants to talk about this but they chased the 73 games win and started the playoffs a month ahead of everyone else because of it.

(If you’ve got 5 mins to read, then buckle up!) Here’s the issue with KDs legacy… Within 10-20 years after he retires, he’ll start sliding down the GOAT list like a lubed-up slide, and he’s wearing socks and a wet bathing suit. He’ll fall out of the top-10, if he even makes it, and he’ll likely fall out of the top-15 all-time because what is KD really? A great scorer. That’s it. He’s not “great” at anything else. He’s solid elsewhere, but what is he? A great scorer. Just look at Kareem’s fall from No.1 all-time. How far has Kareem fallen down the list of GOATs since the offensive boom of the 2000’s+2010’s+2020’s, even though he statistically ISSSSSS the greatest scorer of all-time? He lost #1 to MJ. He lost, likely, #2 to LeBron. He’s still top-5, but people need to argue for him - someone who was once devoutly considered the GOAT - to remain in the top-3, if not the top-5. HOWWWWW KD won will always be disputed by those who matter, those who really know. No one will ever forget or forgive that he abandoned OKC for GS and won on a team that needed very little to regain a title. I agree that it’d take a special player to fill all the gaps left in GS after they went 73-9. But Acho is right. If PG3 or Kawhi went to GS the year after they went 73-9, they would’ve absolutely still won the title, if not titles, they won with KD. KD put them over the top. That’s all. He put them over the top in a way that, yes, no one but LeBron would’ve put them over the top. But that’s the problem. That’s why there will always be scrutiny toward his legacy. Unless he wins on a team that’s truly HIS, he will never have a truly validated legacy. OKC Kev and Post-OKC Kev have 2 different legacies. That is indisputable. They absolutely do. And the final question becomes, well, how much of the story do the stats tell? Anyone with any decent basketball background and knowledge will instantly agree that KD’s success as a GSW was made easy by the pieces around him. That team was already so dominant that the only thing that would’ve hurt KD’s legacy more than winning is losing. If he went there and didn’t win the way he did, his legacy would never achieve him a top-20 GOAT vote. The facts are, even though he had to work for it and there’s no physical asterisk, KD took the easy way out. Lastly, consider this: What did Steph and GS do post-KD? Dealing with players leaving and major injuries, they built a team and within 3 years, won another title. They may not have won the titles they did with KD, but they would’ve won again, as they’ve proven now, and it wouldn’t have taken them 5+ years to do it. Trust me, they miss the ease that KD brought to the game, but they don’t miss KD. See, Steph changed the game for the better. His deep shooting has made versatility an absolute must at every position. It has even given six-men longevity that, aside from Manu G. and Jamal Crawford, few players ever achieved coming off the bench. If you can come in and knock down threes, scoring 9-15 points in only a few shots and a few minutes, you’ve got a job for life in the NBA. Steph has forced defenders to come to the perimeter and beyond. He’s created a whole new element to the game that no one has ever done in the same way. Yes, there have been great shooters and dead-eye 3-shooters, but none like Steph. His presence alone opens up the floor in ways the NBA has never seen before. On the other hand, KD has not changed the NBA for the better. He has solidified the era of ring-chasing, and if not the era, then the time within one’s career that ring-chasing becomes a must and loyalty goes out the door. Other than versatility on the offensive side and big men becoming shooters and moving between SG and PF, which he was not the founding father of, KD hasn’t left the NBA better than he found it. He’s solidified that there’s no need for loyalty anymore. If you can produce, you’ll find a home, and make a bag no matter what. LeBron played a hand in that too, but he did it, arguably, in the right way. He joined DWade and brought over Bosh and some role players and proved that a coach on the court can overtake the coach on the bench. See, he changed the NBA for the better with his influence and dominance. KD hurt the NBA, which is why he absolutely needs to validate his legacy by changing it.

Acho right. 😐

Kobe averaged like 16ppg in their first nba finals… shaq mainly carried them to that first championship and i love kobe

Yo please let me on the show Acho is 100% right i wouldve took on all 3 and killed their points

Rick... everything you said is WHY he needs to do it without the warriors🤷🏾‍♂️

They really sitting there saying the warriors needed KD to win again? So disingenuous to say Paul George or Kawhi wouldn’t have made them the overwhelming favorite as well is laughable.

Great panel. Great segment. Big up, Acho, Joy, Shady, and Slick.

Hahaha acho so on fire he calls slick “stick” hahahaha

The main thing is that he doesn't have that measurement chip. We can't evaluate his greatness because the rings he won provided us no means of measuring how great he actually is. Every great needs that, otherwise they fall into the Clyde Drexler category of guys who won rings but we're not sure they could be the catalyst. KD's career outside of GSW is no better than Harden's.

Kd doesn't need another title he's already in the hall . The haters and media need kd to get another one even after that they will still hate on him .

That Kobe - James harden and Russell Westbrook point was valid! Most valid point in here. Why were the others trying to shut him up!

That OKC team was ridiculously good!

Why do we act like 2015 didn’t happen lmao jus cuz Steph didn’t get FMVP doesn’t mean he wasn’t the best player on his team

He’s a great but I’m with him… literally had a amazing team to win those titles… they still count🤷🏽‍♂️ but sounds better knowing he wins another without curry. I feel like any player can go under curry and klay win titles. When he does a 2018 Lebron run alone ! Even making finals he won’t even be on Lebron level

“Let’s use our indoor voices” 😂😂😂😂

Acho ate them all up

At the end of the day Steph’s ring weigh more than KD 🤷🏽‍♂️sorry to all your feelings but Acho is right.

I think Acho's argument is flawed... Because I think there's teaming up with a former MVP and teaming up with an MVP caliber player. D-Wade... MVP Caliber Kobe... MVP Caliber (before he won it) Paul Pierce... MVP Caliber So I'm glad he made the argument because now I'm like... Is Kyrie Irving an MVP caliber player? If not, KD's chances to win go down a lot unless they get another all-star or Ben Simmons can snap out of it.

5:43 Holy glazing

“Either he was, or he wasn’t” -Joy Only a Sith deals in absolutes

Thank God for Acho. Can't wait until he is increased at this network and guys like Skip Bayless and Rob Parker are decreased.

KD a bus rider 😂!!!! If he wants to be a bus driver, he needs to win a chip on his own, PERIOD!

At last, some beauty on the set. Love Joy Taylor

Acho mentioned Giannis, PG, The Claw, and Jocic and Joy talking like any one of these wouldn't have put them over the top.

KD is a co-pilot never a true bus driver

Steph allowed KD to be the best player in those finals. Period. He is great but he’s not as great as Curry! He’s not the best leader & he can’t win a championship w/o an mvp caliber player that demands the attention Steph & add Klay; requires! Russ was great in OKC and they did great things but didn’t win the title & lost to Stephs warriors after going up 3-1. When Durant went to golden state. It was clearly still Stephs team for many reasons. He’s who you prepare your game plan against. This is an eye test argument that has nothing to do with facts when u compare the 2 in terms of greatness. They are equal in dominance but Curry is a little better for the “team” sport which is Basketball.

Acho made them look crazy. Lol they did not need that much help and then he had the names of the four who was free lol

Accho... THE SHAPE SHIFTER 🤣😂🤣😂😭

I feel like his legacy is already set. One of the most talented players ever, but he's just not "that" guy like LeBron is.

Acho so ryt and apt. Kd hasn't done nothing without Steph. Steph destroyed him in WCF in 2016

Acho is right they need to get off KDs nuts

This segment was interesting because it dealt with actual and hypothetical analysis. I agree with both. Every analyst made good points. It is correct to speak hypothetically since that is opinion based versus actual, which is fact based. I wish sometimes that these people would not sound like their arguing nor putting down others' thoughts. Anyway, Kevin Durant is very impressive. Championships should be the topping/icing on the cake. They should not have to define greatness. Durant has been very competitive and successful. He has two titles. People need to remember a team wins a championship, which is comprised of players, not just one. I like comparing individuals, players in the NBA, to others. Some things though are based on team chemistry. Accolades are individualistic such All-Star selection, MVP, rookie of the year, etc. Championships can be both, just more team related than player.

Acho gobsmacked three people 🔥

See this is where joy is wrong……KD’s rings are tainted bc he went to GS to get them THEY DID NOT NEED KEVIN DURANT!!!!!!!! Them boys won before he was there and it’s real easy to talk 💩to Lebron in the finals “saying let’s go I’m here now!!!!!!!!” When you got curry Thompson Andre and green backing you up…….he wasn’t talking that noise the first time he faced lebron in the finals with James harden and Russell Westbrook so until he wins a ring ON HIS OWN……..with him being the main guy it ain’t good I agree with slick a title on his own will change his legacy for the better he’s already a dawg in scoring finals MVP etc but his rings will always be tainted until he wins one on his own with his own squad not one that was made already before him……..just imagine someone like Isaiah Thomas joining MJ and the bulls in the 90’s winning titles that way……people would rip him for decades for it

If Kobe had to prove it after shaq left a team he was drafted to then KD have to prove it after leaving a team he joined