Leave Jack Antonoff Alone 

The man has made multiple amazing and iconic albums, any issues with an album probably aren't his fault

@Silk Sonic Serban Ghenea is not even a producer. He is a mix engineer. People just pay him to mix stuff that's already done. I do agree, though, that he's an amazing mix engineer.

@Silk Sonic Call me when he puts out a solo album

Midnights is a great album though

@@coryleaver31 the bleachers albums are his solo album. Bleachers is a band in name only

lol accurate tbh

He also got similar backlash when the last Lana and Clairo albums came out, so don't think it's just that.

yeah because it turns out a lot of fans of pop artists such as taylor swift, lana, and clairo actually have no taste so as soon as these artists go in a more nuanced direction production wise (see: sling, norman fucking rockwell, etc.) and start making another kind of music that they also clearly want to make, these "die hard fans" suddenly think the music sucks. the issue isn't jack, the issue is artists evolving past the shortsighted taste of their dumbfuck fanbases. I've been a Clairo fan since she blew up with Pretty Girl and had always hoped she would come into her own artistically and start making some really special music, and Sling ended up delivering that and being my favourite album of 2021. A lot of average Clairo "fans" hate Sling because they have no taste and the only reason they liked Clairo's early work was either because it was on vogue at the time or because it was catchy. I can't believe I'm saying this but they didn't actually "get" Clairo's music in the first place. Same thing with Lana and Taylor and Lorde and whoever else. Just my take

oooooh

1989 is my fav Taylor album and that's all produced by Jack. I hate some Swifties, they are so immature and don't represent the fanbase as a whole. I'm in a few Taylor Swift fan groups and majority of people are very nice and respectful. Twitter is a cesspit of the worst people in fandoms, don't ever use that to gage what a fandom is like.

very few songs from Folklore were produced by him, most of them were produced by Aaron Dessner

@@martinherrera25 That’s true

@@martinherrera25 it was kinda like 50/50 for folklore but he only produced one in evermore

@@katdelrey and closure was a banger 🙌

DAAAAAAADDDDDDYYYYYYYY'S HOME

he is just the producer. He is trying to fulfil the artist's vision. He has no responsibility for the body of work.

Also it's so funny bc i remember Ariana fans doing the exact same thing to Pharell when they didn't like ... The album i forgot the name of ?? (The one before thank u next) it's hard to be chill about anything for people.

It'd be interesting (and terrifying) if this is exactly what Antonoff does.

@@dorothywasrighttho5129 Sweetener, which aged really nicely!

@@dorothywasrighttho5129 sweetener! which is crazy given most critics think it's arianas best album

Biggest reveal since Tom Riddle

😂

Mindblown 😨

Fontanof

69420 IQ

let that man out of the pop mansion basement

THEY'RE GOOD BUT THEY ALL SOUND THE SAME

@@ximenavzq exactly my thoughts

@@ximenavzq sling don't sound like melodrama don't sound like Norman fucking rockwell don't sound like folklore

I think a decent chunk could be bc he looks weird. Especially next to hyper-curated popstar ladies.

@@ximenavzq what a goofy and uneducated take you have there

No, he’s not a bad producer, but he has the habit of being repetitive and people don’t like hearing the same stuff over and over again. I think his production can really have a negative impact on a song if it sounds identical to something we’ve already heard alot in the past.

@@ajgerbi then go tell your favorite artist not to work with him I guess. Taylor wanted to work for him for some reason and hired him. If anyone is at fault for the quality of the song it's Taylor.

I'm not really a fan either. I think the jokes ragging on him as a producer are funny. But I don't seriously think he's a blight to pop music.

@@ajgerbi “wah, artists hire people I don’t like” Then bitch at the ARTIST that hires him 🤣🤣🤣

I haven't listened the album, not a taylor fan tbh. So may i ask, was it that bad?

Yup when they like something it’s their fave who did it, but when they don’t it’s Jacks fault 😭😭

That‘s interesting cause I‘ve seen different behavious from them. Taylor‘s, Lana‘s, Lorde‘s fans really care so much about who produced their fave‘s songs and it‘s not rare also seeing them praise the producers.

Didn‘t she work with the same producer (Nathan Chapman) during her country eras? I read this somewhere that she said she chose to work with him even though her former record label refused because they got their own producers. She insisted because she felt that he understood what she wanted to do with her songs. I think it‘s the same case with Jack.

That’s cause a lot of the toxic swift fans are super sexist

that's interesting. i felt like the minimalist instrumentarion and spacey production of folklore and evernore gave her the most room to show her songwriting ability ever. what about midnights made you feel the effect more?

It’s a great album, but I think the writing on folklore was better

@@tommymckai folklore and evermore are folky albums, which gives the songs more instrumentals to put on the forefront. Midnights gives me reputation vibes, which that album put Taylor right in your face. Midnights is similar, but it’s a lot more spacious than reputation so the lyrics can just sit there and it’s easier to take in whereas rep was kinda jamming it down your throat. Maybe that’s not what the OP was getting at, but maybe this is another helpful perspective.

@Silk Sonic you wanna try again without trying to give me a stroke?

@@tommymckai i think that he meant effect as different of ability or quantity. i think he means on the sense that it made him really pay attention to the lyrics. folklore and evermore being more cohesive albums, the production and songwriting kinda went hand in hand. but maybe he felt that the midnight production was more sparse which gave him room to pay attention to her lyrics.

It took me years to like that song and the production, it gives me chills now but I would be so interested to see how Jack (and Taylor of course) might improve upon that song if rereleased (not yet forgetting while writing this that we are literally getting a rerelease lmao). It just sounded so outdated to me when it was released and I only started to soften to it when I heard her perform it live on piano.

@@edwinam1362 well it is indeed getting rerecorded very soon! Taylor is rerecording her old catalogue so we'll find out soon enough.

On god

lol

I know he shrank the kids

I am not crazy! I know he swapped those instruments! I knew it was guitar. One after bass. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the music shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That song! Are you telling me that a man just happens to compose that? No! He orchestrated it! Jack! He even wrote vocals! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own band! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands off the trombone! But not our Jack! Couldn't be precious Jack! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a musician!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him! You-

@@spicyd2 you lost your train of thought

@@spicyd2 don't indulge in crack before you post

people pretend melodrama slaps, but that album was such a drop off from her first, not only that what have you to say about Solar power? Lorde should have been one of the greatest.

@@wesleyleigh4063 melodrama is much better theming and sound-wise than pure herione, and solar power is a more chill reflection album after the turbulence of melo. she is still one of the greatest - and she's only 25. i personally love the trilogy and think they're all amazing and introspective, representing different stages of growing up

@@heliodorable4612 lol COPIUM you are like an IRL disney character $10 she doesn't make it back after SP that a career ending album

@@wesleyleigh4063 sorry i won't argue with someone that uses 4chan language

@@heliodorable4612 Damn that's gonna burn lol

It's either a 4 or 5

It deserves a 5 IMO

If we’re lucky we’ll get a 5

@@uraharasenpai8852 nah it’s a solid 8 for me but Fantano I’m sure will give it a 5

It's barely a 4 imo

Who the hell is this Anton guy anyways?

Lmao

Exactly what I was thinkin! And people are flooding her comments with the same thing as if they didn't listen to Amoeba on the daily.

Sling is absolutely beautiful!

"Boosker" Coming from a 17-year-old male metalhead, Amoeba is beautiful

i love the arrangements and all but hate the way her vocals were produced. i think it was claire’s choice tho

it really, really wasn't. The only thing carrying Clairo is Clairo, everything he's done with her stinks

yeah this is a useful perspective, great take

The problem with Jack Antonoff is that he's a PERSONA for the most part and not a real musician.......Yes he's been in the band Bleachers but he did not make the music ALONE. Yes he produced Melodrama but he didn't produce it ALONE. He's a sexless looking fraud who got everyone by the strings playing them........

Shhhh, they only mention that when they don't like the production, when the production is to their liking Taylor Swift doesn't even write her own songs! We all know that

@@Anna13Tonks Taylor writes her songs. It's a pretty well know fact at this point with tonnes and tonnes of proof so if you don't believe it, you're just speaking your shit without a clue of what you're talking about.

Yeah I also know is a Pharrell song in the first 4 beats, what's your point?

@@patrickmcpartland1398 bc it’s a watermark 🙄🙄🙄

@@breadstuff using a certain rythm isn't a watermark lol

@@HYBRIDZHQ but it's pharrell williams doing the same fing rhythm in every song on purpose. then it is. think about it.

he literally squandered both Lorde's and Clairo's career, people pet end like Melodrama was good but that's because Solar power was so miserably off beat that we'd rather pretend it doesn't exist.

Great point.

yeah I think if he wasn't someone who is easy to work with he would've been called out already. The women he works with are outspoken and not at all afraid to stand up for themselves.

@@rosecoloredbby exactly

Jack, Anton off, probably has threatened to pistol whip melon if he criticizes him like he did Mos Def.

Holy crap, there must've been like 200 guns... I stopped drinking after the 20th double blink - I couldn't keep up!

Taylor Swift needs to be carried carefully by a faithful gardener to Mount Doom in Mordor.

What...

midnights wasn't bad sounding though. Just not on par to certain people's tastes, especially people who wanted her to stay in the folksy route.

if you saying 'taylor at her best' in a yt comment, why are you watching Fantano content lol?

@@wesleyleigh4063 I love his opinions. I view music very loosely. No two people can experience art the same way especially as the creator intended. I respected his 5 for Midnights even if it was a solid 11 for me. I watch Swiftologist and he is quick to say No Taylor lolz

“Bland production” just like what he put out in Midnights?

I agree, I have seen love for it so far. To me it feels like a mesh of 1989, Lover and folklore in a weird way.

damn, it debuted with 95, now it's 85 now..... :(

Literally.

exactly

Casual listener here. Actually, I have listened to Midnights (and a lot of her recent albums), and watched a lot of reaction/review videos on Midnights and so far, a lot of people have been liking it. Particularly those coming from producers or people involved in music production in some ways who react to it, to which I agree. A lot of them say that while the songs may not be for everyone due to the sparse production. I mean, you can't expect people to like all of them right? But they all agree that it is such a cohesive album from front to back, and the aim is to create somewhat atmospheric soundscape, which I think is what Taylor might want to achieve with these songs, and explains why some of the 3am tracks were not included as part of the tracklist of the main album. I can understand that the writing may not be similar to the poetic nuance of FolkMore, Red etc. But such writing was so fitting for that kind of sound, and Midnights is truly a pop album so she bends her storytelling, Nashville-style of writing that she has honed so much over the years before totally going pop to that pop mould, or the kind of pop she envisions for herself, which in the end shows her versatility to write and adapt to a lot of different sounds. At least that's how I see it and what I think she tries to achieve in all her pop albums. I do have a few songs that just I wasn't gravitated towards on Midnights, mainly due to preferences. But, I truly think it has done a wonderful job at creating cohesiveness throughout. I knew from the first listened of the 3am edition, that the reaction would be polarizing for the main album (which it did happened), and some people would probably love 3am tracks more (which they did). I love those 3am tracks as well, and some of her best writings are there and I somehow understand why they were not included in the main tracklist. Putting critics score aside, this album has to be listened to with an open heart, mind and ear, and then decide whether you like it or not. This applies to other artistes with their respective albums as well. I can't say the same for those who may already have disdain towards the artistes and simply do not wish to give it a listen just because they hate them. To each their own. I can't help with that. But, I do agree that some people think that it is going to be a grower kind of album, and not instantaneous. I guess a lot of people expect head-on-the-wall bangers to listen to while having a lot of thoughts and doing some pondering alone in the middle of the night, which is totally fine.

Yeah the internet is full of deeply unhappy, attention-seeking people who are fueled entirely by relentless negativity.

@@BertoBeats I couldn't have said that better than you just did. I'm thankful you see this for what it is.

DEEP CUTS

This Love Isn't Crazy!

Also Window!

She has the finial say and sign off on shipping the album, she hired him, it's her song, blames really on her.

I agree, I think Anti-hero is a good song but the overall instrumentation sounds so lifeless. I know it's not Jack's fault entirely but I can't help but wonder what it would sound like in the hands of someone like Max Martin.

@@patrickmcpartland1398 fair enough!

@@patrickmcpartland1398 doesn't matter. If i have a drummer on my album and he ends up sucking, it's my fault that he ended up on the album, but it's still him sucking

@@shadez123 this isn't even a case of him sucking tho, it'd be more like blaming the drummer for playing boots-and-cats

personally i think his production on daddy's home by st. vincent is his best work. soo good :D

A lot of the production on midnights is suuuuper tacky (bejeweled & Karma especially) but ig that was probably more of an artistic decision from Taylor and co than a reflection of Flapjack’s production skills

@@f4gsforpele idk in my opinion, bejeweled is “tacky” in the same way as just like magic by ariana grande is tacky… the productions are too on the nose for the song title, but once I let it grown on me, both ended up being one of my favorites from their own respective albums

@@f4gsforpele it's camp!!!

@EliaXavier Also did people forget how tough the entire Masseduction era was for Annie as a whole?

I mean... I really don't care much for Masseduction but I love Daddy's Home.

Oh people did shit on him cause of Solar Power 😂

You missed the hate train, people did not get off his ASS over SP

That’s a lil far…

@@f4gsforpele no it’s not

it's very weird... when the 3am tracks dropped I saw many swifties acting like 3 aaron dessner tracks saved the album???? lol if you want the sound of folklore/evermore just listen to those albums it's clear that taylor wanted to go back to a more popish sound

I didn’t like some of the lyrical choices she went with, but as far as sound goes, it’s very on brand for her and I liked it 🤷🏻‍♀️ I think it was just easier to blame production than admit Taylor isnt above criticism herself haha

@@sophcamatari From what I've heard, Taylor isn't permanently returning to her pop sound and will experiment more with the indie folk/folktronica sound (hence why there were some _folklore/evermore_ influence on a few of the tracks on this recent album. This to me, is just Taylor taking a break from that sound after a year and a half of recording indie folk tracks with Aaron Dessner (Big Red Machine, All Too Well's Autumn Version, etc.)

I’m a fan who loves the album. I’m happy you like it too!!!

Yeah came as a surprise to me too. I loved it and thought it sounded like a clear crowd-pleaser with some Red and 1989 throwback. Guess you can never predict how the fandom’s going to react.

Holy shit ur right. TS is not the MI. JA is.

No fucking way you are here too

Maybe mans just wants to sit and chill for a bit. But nah. People gonna just show up and to jack him. He must he chafed!