LGBT lessons row: Protesters banned from school - BBC Newsnight 

While this is terrible for Britain, it is also amusing watching the left suffer the consequences of their own inexplicably stupid decisions

Sensible people have been warning about this inevitable clash for years now. How could it possibly turn out any other way?

Remember when school was about math.

The middle ground is to keep it out of schools! Leave it up to the parents!

Open-minded, tolerant, and modern Western civilization may well be too much open-minded, tolerant, and modern for some people...

I find the LGBTQ community strangely silent on this. I expected large protests.

Why don't they change it to only teach in high school when they are 15/16 at a point when most are sexual active rather than teaching toddlers who won't even retain what you are saying

Leave our children alone!!! And I am a Christian and agree with the protest

Homeschool your kids or send them to private school

"We're not Homophobic People" but also "WE WON'T let you 'indoctrinate' our children into learning LGBT+ relationships"

Those that want to be tolerated, yet will not tolerate anyone else.

Ajmal is 110% correct. Do not influence our children with your ways. We will respect you, but do not expose our children to homosexuality please. It is not for anyone to teach children but the parents. Shall we force you to believe our ways are the way to be? I don’t believe you will like that.

WOW n England they teach kids it's ok to be gay I'm not talking about Highschool kids I'm talking about kids 5 and 6 years old WOW

Where's the street protests from the LGBT community?? All i hear are crickets..........

Stick to your guns people. Why did she mention religion. It's just wrong kids go to school to learn to read and write and not to learn about sexuality. Kids growing up find out about all these things just like we did get back to the three Rs and start being schools again

4:45 People have the right to hold the view that being gay is wrong but they have no right to expect other people to respect that view.

But but...this isn't even a religious question. We are a sexually dimorphic species, we reproduce by sexual reproduction. That has not changed, we have not suddenly evolved new types of genitalia ...anything outside of the male female dichotomy is abnormal, like being blind, having extra digits, etc...these differences should be respected...NOT CELEBRATED. I teach my child that there are blind ppl in the world...I don't teach him to celebrate blindness, or that having sight and being blind are the same...because they are not !

Someone I know got a fine because their child didn't go into school enough. Why is the gvt not fining this lot?

The thing is we are not homophobic, some muslims/christians choose to be but we just want our people to not learn about these things that are against our religion.

The funniest thing I’ve ever seen the left is going to implode on its self

If a faith is inconstant with respecting the rights of British gay people, including the right to marry, why should British society respect that faith? Why should faith organisations that promote such views be granted favourable tax status, at the expense of gay taxpayers?

Ah Religion. Bringing the world together as always...

When the headteacher thinks "two men can have a child," she presumably means "adopt" not conceive, biologically. She should be more explicitly accurate when educating children.

I’m just sure Tommy Robinson is behind this protest.

If the parents of the children don’t like our education system of THIS country, then by all means go to a country where they won’t teach about LGBT subjects. The only thing we should be saying is that this is part of western life, if you don’t like it then go and close the door behind you.

The left turn a blind eye. If you don't like what England except. Leave. Simple

Go to faith based schools! Public schools have the right to teach this.

I've been left-wing my entire life yet the people who should have supported me BECAUSE they are liberals, condemned me as a bigot because I have always maintained that Islam is incompatible with western values. Now it can no longer be ignored and Labour need to first withdraw their acceptance of the 'International Definition of Islamophobia' which is a blasphemy law by stealth, then start condemning Islam for it's racism, sexism and homophobia. The absolute cowards are still failing to do this though, I'm not hopeful they ever will take a real stand either.

Birmingham is a very racist and segregated city go to areas and see how divided people are no integration at all.

Oh nooooo who saw this coming? Except every "far right extremist" for the western world.

Religion is a choice; sexuality isn't. These two rights are therefore not equal.

Funny how the guardian just avoids the whole issue!!

People don't have to accept what they don't believe.

This is so wrong teaching CHILDREN this, the Muslims are totally correct to protest, perhaps catholics / Christians should do the same until these children are of a reasonable age. It would be interesting to see who the government sides with

Why the "the streets" beat in the background?

And this is why a lot of schools in the USA require permission from parents to teach sex education.

Governments around the world want everyone to accept the concept of LGBT but the public schools are not allowed the teaching of God or Allah.

Oh, my goodness! Didn't see that coming - will only get worse!

Teaching Children tolerance was always going to conflict with Muslim views. Nothing new here. If you don't like British Law, then get out. Simple as that.

The ‘No Outsiders’ Programme is part of the contemporary confused sexual zeitgeist which is being fast-tracked as part of a state-sponsored programme as orchestrated and lobbied for by militant homosexuals over the last 40 years under the sanctimonious banner of “child rights”, “human rights” and “the Equalities Act”, thereby, in a Fabian manner, leading to the complete abolition of age of sexual consent laws and culminating in the diminished role of the family as having any role in children’s upbringing - a documented plan of many of the fanatical LGBT intelligentsia within their own writings. Any opposition to this zeitgeist renders one as being ostracized, censured and marginalised via calculated bullying, intimidation and McCarthyism all led by the so-called ‘Rainbow coalition’. Let’s assess this: 1. The No Outsiders project began in September 2006 at the University of Sunderland, led by Dr Elizabeth Atkinson and Dr Rene DePalma with a grant of £575.435.85 and ended in December 2008. 2. Andrew Moffat was one of the 26 teacher-practitioners of the project and at the No Outsiders Seminar entitled ‘Queering the Body: Queering Primary Education’ at the University of Exeter in 2008 co-presented a paper with Dr Atkinson. The aim was that “the team is concerned to interrogate the desexualisation of children’s and teacher bodies”!? Nothing about ‘the Equalities Act’, ‘children’s rights’ or ‘child protection’ but about the bodies of school children of the ages of 5-11. All based on research stemming from the pseudo-scientific child sexual theories of Freud and the degenerate sadomasochist Alfred Kinsey. Kinsey said that children are sexual from birth and toddlers can experience orgasm. Refer to Dr Judith Reisman’s Kinsey, Sex and Fraud: The Indoctrination of a People (Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntingdon House Publishers, 1990). 3. in the original book, edited by Renee DePalma and Elizabeth Atkinson, entitled 'Interrogating Heteronormativity in Primary Schools: The No Outsiders Project' (London: Trentham Books, 2009) there are discussions on toys, pleasure and 'vanilla' strategies?! - The contents of the book are merely about 'challenging' heterosexuality, little about the 'Equalities Act' as a main feature of the project within the contents of the book. - In the above-mentioned book, which is about the 'No Outsiders project', Susan Talburt states on page 88 in the chapter on 'Toys, Pleasures and Futures': "The elision of sexuality, pleasure, bodies and desire and schooling is said to protect the child's innocence and to protect it from the spectre of the child molester, a figure conflated with the male homosexual, recruitment and contagion." Well, this maybe due to the fact that many of the founding fathers of the LGBT+ movement had called for close proximity with pedo-groups such as NAMBLA. - Harry Hay, a founding father of the modern gay rights movement was an open supporter of the North American Man-Boy Love Association, a pedophile organisation. - Franklin Kameny (1925-2011), the “father of the gay rights movement” founded the Mattchine Society which advocated the abolition of the age of consent. - Marshall Kirk and Hunter Masden, fanatical homosexual activists, who in their book After the Ball, which is a manual on how to make homosexuality acceptable in American society, suggest that there may come a time wherein the conditions will allow for ‘diversity’ to include drag queens and pedophiles!? Where is the media outcry over this?! Kirk and Masden advocate the use of propaganda tactics, their own approach, wherein homosexuals intentionally portray themselves as victims and suggest that homosexuality is immutable akin to biological characteristics of skin colour, eye colour and sex. - Stonewall activists have been convicted for pedophilia as in the cases of James Rennie and Neil Strachan in 2007 were both convicted of running one of the biggest child pornography rackets in UK legal history. Neil Campbell, another Stonewall activist, was also implicated in 2009 as part of this ring. - A 1986 book entitled The Betrayal of Youth: Radical Perspectives on Childhood Sexuality, Intergenerational Sex and the Social Oppression of Children and Young People (CL Publications). The book was edited by a ‘Warren Middleton’ which was a pseudonym of John Parratt founder of the Pedophile Information Exchange and a convicted child molester. The book contains 13 chapters which advocated pedophilia under the euphemism of ‘intergenerational sex’ all of which are written by homosexuals and many of whom were pedophiles. Chapter 10 is by Roger Moody and entitled ‘Ends and Means: How to Make Paedophlila Acceptable’, Moody described in the book as being “on of the most outspoken advocates of children’s rights”. Peter Tatchell wrote a chapter for this book entitled ‘Questioning Ages of Majority and Ages of Consent’ . On June 26th 1997 Tatchell wrote a letter to the Guardian newspaper defending the book Dares to Speak published by the Gay Men’s Press which advocated pedophilia. The book was edited by Joseph Geraci, editor of the Paidaka: The Journal of Paedophilia. Tatchell stating that there can be forms of ‘inter-generational sex’ and “the positive nature of some child-adult relations” which are normal via making reference to the practices of a tribe in Papua New Guinea?! Peter Hitchens exposed Tatchell on this in September 2010. - Paul Goodman (1911-1972) - the American homosexual, left-wing writer and pedophile campaigner advocated what he brands “children’s sexual freedom”. - Leo Adamson, a gay rights activist had helped to set up the Pedophile Information Exchange and in 2011 police searched his flat, hacked his computer and found 3000 images of child abuse and jailed for a year. - Larry Brinkin - a gay rights activist and director of San Francisco’s ‘Human Rights Commission’ and considered a “gay rights pioneer”, “champion of equal rights” and “LGBT activist”. In 2014 he was convicted on two charges of possessing child pornography as he possessed thousands of images which he was sending on to others. ‘Human Rights’ did not extend to the children whom he was exploiting. - Dr William Ayres - former head of American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, advocated what he called “child liberation”. He was a blind follower of Sigmund Freud’s student Wilhelm Reich. He was convicted in 2012 for molesting more than 50 boy patients. - Edward Brongersma - a Dutch sodomist politician and lawyer who defended the “rights” of pedophiles. He was jailed for having relations with a 17 year old boy. He asserted to conduct research into “the sexual-emotional health of children and young people”. - ‘Peter Righton’ (Paul Pelham) a founder member of PIE who became a top government advisor on child protection?! So excuse us if we are somewhat sceptical of government endorsed programmes fast-tracked and enforced on children. Righton’s home was raided in 1992 by police and child porn was found as was correspondence with other pedophiles. 4. Then Talburt says: "Yet this idea of proecting childhood innocence denies children engagement with crucial knowledges, silencing children (and adults) and erasing their sexual agency." Huh!? The "sexual agency" of primary school children is the main concern, nothing here about "the Equalities Act". 5. Talburt states on page 87 under 'Speaking the unspeakable through activist and queer discourses': "Much of the project's work has been about speaking the unspeakable and making possible the impossible in forbidden places." So this is a mere project to "speak the unspeakable" in primary schools?! 6. Andrew Moffat states on page 107: "...Because what I am saying to people, what I am sort of preaching in my lesson plan to people is that you don't choose to be gay. It's like having blue eyes or red hair, you know, you are gay or you are not gay. But bisexual fucks all that up. So actually can you not be bisexual, please. [laughs]...because on the one hand you want to say look, we have No Outsiders, it's equality, you can love who you want to love like I was saying to the kids. But then that's like saying you've go a choice. You haven't got a choice. If you re gay, you are gay." Herein Moffat asserts that not only is he "preaching", but also intimates that homosexuality, a man pnetrating another man's anus, is an immutable characteristic like skin colour, eye colour etc!?

What's going on in this world...what happened to just teaching reading, writing and grammer...Tax payers money is being spent on gay classes😂...need the Christians and jews protesting too

Parents have the right to see their children are taught that which they approve... only in communist dictatorships does the state dictate morals, so if these parents object to such lessons then their children should be excused from having to listen or attend

These people just don't want you to teach their children this nonsense literally these people are just saying no they have the right to tell you no

Send Eddie Izard to speak to the imam about lgbt in schools in sure he will sort it out , Eddie who welcomes all Muslims while wearing a pink beret

"Otherwise we'd be militant and we will see regress in our community"....If that is not a direct threat to terrorism if you don't let us do what we want I do not know what is.

What’s with the music? Are you a news outlet or what?

At 2:50, she did something sly by saying that the parents are against equality under the law for lgbt people. That is a straw man, as anyone with any sense knows that this is NOT the argument.

I swear these comments have made me lose brain cells

I am white straight and NORMAL and proud of it.

i think children could be taught the diverty in society,/ no need to go into complete detail/ and as human beings we all have the right to be respected, those who disagree or dislike the way some express there love to whoever have the right to feel that way, vise versa have the right to disagree or dislike there outlook. that is fine.then as adults we should respect one another. we all have likes and dislikes. its normal. we all have the right to respect no matter your creed , color,culture, religon. what happend to diversaty is our strenghth..then we could all showv it...

The imam says that sex out of marriage is not permitted, sexual relationships are only to be between a man and women. Then says that a middle ground has to be established regarding the issue of teaching children that the UK has no problem in law with same-sex marriage or partnerships. How is this possible? Parents are withdrawing their kids from school, denying them education, this is not an issue of dialogue this is an issue of religious ignorance and intolerance to the law of the land.

Funny how those denouncing these parents, would do exactly the same if their kids were in the same situation. Pathetic hypocrites.

Must be a mystery to many Muslims why God makes some folks gay.

this is just ANOTHER example of islamification of the U.K.

Quote; "Homophobia is illegal" Not in my Church it isn't!

I support the parents they protect their children’s morals, a government who force propaganda against the family beliefs and rights of the children is a totalitarian!

4:02 ......why should the UK school system care about "Islamic morality" ....BTW, that's an oxymoron.

I am so glad that we live in a Country where we can protest, although I might not agree with protest I think they can express their views, however the law is the law, simple!

I'm a Christian this a shame to recruit our children for evil. They should leave Christian muslims children alone. It is not part of school education

Why have LGBT issues become so political? Why does it have to be a division between right and left? The only thing I can think of right now is that political parties are taking advantage of these issues, turning them into ideologies and using them to their favour to manipulate crowds, create division and conflict. Everything these days has to be taken to an extreme. It all started with extreme politically correct statements towards race and religion. All that involves race, religion and sex has to be distorted and used to create the opposite effect of what acceptance is. Authorities preach tolerance and acceptance, but by taking inclusion of minorities to an extreme, they cause exclusion of these same groups by provoking anger in the opposition. They divide us, they segregate minorities even more, because in reality they have no interest in including them, despite what they say. They have no interest in educating people, in having them think for themselves. It's more convenient to cause anger and confusion amongst certain groups to keep us in the dark, to divert us from what is really important, to make us vote for their parties without knowledge. Extreme right or extreme left, they are allied, make no mistake. Secretly. They have no interest in people.

Schools are supposed to equip children to learn skills to survive and be a competent individual in contributing to society and economy. Not to teach them tradition, religious values and morales as an individual, it is upto parents how they would want to raise their kids and what they should be exposed when they are ready for it. Not at this tender age, that's absurd to be frank.😧

why the heck would schools introduce lgbt lessons to kids ? wtf is wrong with this world there is no benefit from that

The school wanted engagement but the protesters were not willing

Children should go to school to learn normal lessons not to be told that these sick people are normal.

i dont agree with children being taken too mosques either but he will not mention that here. i do agree with him that we as parents decide how we bring up our children thou. teachers are there too teach not preach

Why activists has the say on education policy and curriculum and not parents?

We should allow children to keep their innocence. We do not need to tell five year olds about sex. They see mixed families and the children accept this. It is adults that cause the trouble by their attitudes.

This is the UK and a British school , if you don’t like it then you need to find another school or leave the country . You can’t come here and hinder our growth as a society unlike the places where they came from which they don’t even like hence why they are here in the UK.

Anyone going to straight pride parade in Boston.lol

How many of the loud adults protesting, especially the men, watch pornography behind closed doors? Isn’t that also against their values? Double standards!

You won't find conflicting ideologies to come together. One needs to bow to the other. There will never be a cohesive community with two conflicting ideologies.

simple solution..instead of LGBT been enforced upon the kids..and the parents views and opinions been trashed by LGBT promoters...why not allow parents to have an opt out of the gay teaching sessions...and the schools facilitate it

Everyone was has a right to protest but it's very selective. Protesting about LGBT issues is one thing, but staying silent when young innocent girls in Bradford are being. groomed raped and sold on is another. Complete silence. Blowing children up in Concerts-again silence. Funny old thing religion isn't it. Imagine the situation where Christian or Jewish parents roll up one day and said 'no to teaching about other religions' and behaving in a bad manner.. what do you think would happen then? Also anyone wishing to protest in such an extreme way whilst young children are leaving the school feeling intimidated and terified have already lost the argument and are deluded if they think that makes them good people.

I don't see why sex education should be taught to primary school children, the place for that is secondary school. As to the Muslim community being against their children being taught about LGBT+ type subjects, there really is no surprise, their religion is actively against such practices. Maybe it's about time schools were devoted to more teaching rather than the indoctrination of the young into a leftist progressive ideology, you know teach the children how to read and do maths to a higher standard, maybe a bit of science. Things that will give them the tools to build upon at secondary school and hopefully will give them a better chance in life, a chance where they can question ideas and learn how to filter out ideological bullshit?

You don't have to have your sexual orientation written on your forehead. Gay guy with rainbow tattoo on his shoulder: That's offensive.

I don't think children as young as five should be taught about sex at all in school, much less homosexual sex. They should be concentrating on reading, writing and arithmetic etc. Goodness knows schools are not doing a very good job of that, yet they have time to include this kind of rubbish. Having said that, the books I have glimpsed looked pretty innocuous but I haven't seen much of them..

Sexuality and morality should be thought parents or at least in line with their wishes. It's not the job of a state body or teacher you dont know. Who sets the curriculum, and who can input into it or is it foisted upon the people by a small moral majority

Facts dont care about your feelings... You dont like your kids learning foreign languages, coding, evolution, sex ed, NPC facts, tolerance, etc... Suck it up and deal with it. School is about EDUCATION... Not the opinions of the parents (be they Muslim or Christian).

Whose side do you recommend I take in order to achieve maximum virtue signalling points? And how many woke points do I get deducted for my homophobia or islamophobia as a consequence of choosing a particular side? Hmmm it's a tough one. Decisions, decisions.

if its okay to teach about same sex marriage and the values of LGBTQ people do they also teach these kids about incest and necrophilia just to be completely inclusive.

So, people can be conditioned to be gay but not Muslim - oh no, that religion has never incited any terror or wars at all. These parents and people need a reality check.

Why don’t they just homeschool their children? If they don’t want their children’s education to include where babies come from or to inclusion for all genders and sexual orientations, why don’t they pull them out and homeschool them? Honestly if you don’t agree with how your child is being educated, do it yourself.

Why is "The Streets" being played over this video ha?!

Muslims are right on this issue

I personally do not see any harm in the books being used. One about 2 penguins and an egg, and one about a boy who dresses up as a princess. If these are being used simply in story time like any other story, then kids will just accept them. It all depends on how much emphasis is being used about these issues - same goes for any subject. It is important that children grow up understanding that some of their friends may have 2 Moms or 2 Dads. This can be done in a gentle manner by using books, such as the ones mentioned, without going into too much detail. It just plants the idea, and may prevent any awkward questions or bullying. The thing that worries me, more than the contents of the book, is that one of the parents (male) stated that by teaching their kids it is ok to be gay, makes them gay themselves. Being gay is not catching, it is the way people are born and as such they should be treated with respect like everyone else. In this instance it's perhaps the parent who needs educating more than the child. These are only my views or course, and I respect that other peoples views may differ from mine.

They allow almost every other type of protest but they don’t allow this one, df, someone plz help me understand

Tbf this is why you need faith-based schools. Try teaching these LGBTQ lessons in a Jewish school, you'll get the same response

I got a solution to these problems: just get rid of the white knob ends in power at the moment and put a non-religious third-world Asian in charge. Myanmar had issue with Muslim people and look how they deal with it.

Or in the words of a decent parent... "Don't teach your shit to my kids"..

Continue to have the classes which prepare children to deal with real-world where they need to learn how to live and let live with people who are LGBT or have LGBT families. Allow the anti-LGBT parents to exempt their children from the class. Their children can attend some alternative class for them in civics or something. HOWEVER, if there is ANY abuse or bullying against students who are gay or have gay parents, by any of the students from those anti-LGBT parents, there should be ZERO tolerance. Either the child receives sensitization to respect all people or is expelled.

Um.... We've been taught about Islam in school for decades. You want a middle ground: Let Gay Muslims decide.

What's the problem? They protested about something they disagree with, they were banned because it wasn't appropriate outside a school, they can go protest somewhere else.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 about time we stood up to this segregated community that doesn’t want to assimilate

As if we didn't see these clashes coming 🤔 If they don't like what is being taught in schools and laws of THIS COUNTRY, they are welcome to leave !!!

When your diversity experiment has an adverse chemical reaction.

to say in my secondary school my religous education teacher and my music stare at me with that racist look on their face and i had to take the blame for another kids mistake when he spoke and GUES WHAT HE WAS FRIKIN CHRISTIAN also we were forced to start with christianity and muslims didnt have much respect

These parents are just so insecure about their children being born gay, they'd rather suppress such feelings. Sad.

They don't want their 4 and 5 year old children to learn about gay sex, why do they want to force it?

Remember that the school is not teaching that homosexuality is good but it teaches that regardless of someone's sexual orientation that we should respect and treat them equally and fairly . It's plain obvious that protests means those parents don't believe that their children should treat LGBTs equally. So in another decade or so we will have a group of adults ( in millions) who think it's okay to throw homosexuals from tall buildings or kill them as they do in Saudi Arabia. However there is no verse of quran that says Muslims must kill homosexuals or punish them. There is no solution to the conflict of western values vs Islam and this will span for another few thousand years until human kind is faced with a major problem like a servere shortage of food, water and high temperature or A war that destroys over 90% of human population. Just live your short life peacefully without harming anyone.

Maybe if we are shown by way of documentary what they intend to teach the kids as we have no idea, if it's "hay kids fancy a game of leapfrog" maybe go into detail