Lies and Arbor Gold - An ASOIAF Wine Theory 🍷

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Hello everyone! Today I'm going over a theory as to a certain type of duplicitous wine in #asongoficeandfire.
Be sure to subscribe if you enjoyed this video! What do you think? Is there anything I missed? What do you think of #houseofthedragon so far? More #asoiaf content is on the way!
Thank you all for watching! I'll be back with more theories next week! Character art in this video is by TheMico!
My Twitter: / quinnthegm
00:00 Conspiracy Theories
00:47 Arbor Gold
01:24 Littlefinger's Schemes
02:56 Cersei, Deception, and Wine
04:17 Tyrion and Arbor Gold
05:20 Frey Pies
06:18 Uses Prior to Feast
07:19 Deception in Oldtown
08:34 The Kingbreaker
09:17 A Historical Use (HOTD SPOILERS)
10:30 Importance for Winds
11:05 Conclusions

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9 июл 2024

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@alvaroprieto2092 3 месяца назад

Arbor Gold is just like CERVEZA CRYSTAL

@fantasyhaven1 Год назад

If only Lancel had plied Bobby B with Arbor Gold, he would've lured the boar into a false sense of security with some honeyed words

@lawyeroutlaw Год назад

+1!!!😂

@ArrakisHeir88 Год назад

Does fortified white wine exist?

@jacobwillard9687 2 месяца назад

“Gods, what a stupid name!”

@paulcourtemanche3549 Год назад

Love hearing you say Petyr like you’re Lysa getting railed.

@Raymond-vi1ee Год назад

When he do that 😂

@ArrakisHeir88 Год назад

Puh-tire

@jeannebouwman1970 11 месяцев назад

petire petire petire

@hecticscone 11 месяцев назад

rip Roy Dotrice v_v

@saatvikkalra6061 6 месяцев назад

PUHTYRE OH PUHTYRE

@serrastark4687 Год назад

I had a thought as I was listening to this that might add to the theory. If Arbor Gold has an "opposite" in ASOIF, it would be Dornish Red. As I recall, Dornish Red was the drink of choice of the Hound, who famously hated lies. Connection? Might be, could be. At any rate it would be interesting to do a similar breakdown of Dornish Red and it's connection to truth, if there is one, in the books.

@Matt-xc6sp Год назад

Surely Wyman knows you should pair meat pies with a Dornish Red. Theory confirmed.

@Buford_T_Justice1 Год назад

Janos Slynt really knows his wines. He also has friends at court. Powerful friends!

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

I literally just watched the episode of the show where he’s executed. Rad scene.

@sardonically-inclined7645 Год назад

I honestly chuckled when I remembered "Oh yeah, that's what Hizdar's hair is supposed to look like in the books.."

@saltlakeatrocity9771 Год назад

Reminds me of Daario Naharis's even more ridiculous book counterpart.

@anguswaterhouse9255 Год назад

Every time I hear how long it’s been since ADWD breaks me a little bit inside

@ezananigussie3311 Год назад

12 years is a crazy ass number

@lawyeroutlaw Год назад

Yeah. 12 years a slave guy would’ve been free by now. So…. It’s been a minute.

@ricopena2053 Год назад

Plus there’s not as many memorable or quotable moments in Feast or Dance as there is the first three books. Ned’s death is in Game. The battle of Blackwater is in Clash. The Red Wedding, the series defining moment, is in Storm. The Euron intro at the Kingsmoot is pretty cool, but I can’t get show Greyjoy out of my head. And Dance has the great line: So young," said Wyman Manderly, "Though mayhaps this was a blessing. Had he lived he would've grown up to be a Frey.

@Human-zx4rb Год назад

I mean. Jons death is pretty iconic

@ricopena2053 Год назад

@@Human-zx4rb we are still mid confrontation, the TV show conclusion doesn’t count. Or if he never writes the last two books, the TV show is the canonical ending.

@Broogli Год назад

Benjin was the boar , bloodraven was the wine.

@YarPirates-vy7iv Год назад

In a way, aren't we all the boar?

@borisdorofeev5602 Год назад

It's so simple

@benclark96 Год назад

@@YarPirates-vy7iv maybe the real boar was the friends we made along the way

@YarPirates-vy7iv Год назад

@@benclark96 the boar is the journey, not the destination?

@johnreynolds2512 Год назад

I read the first book when it came out in paperback back in 1997, got Clash in hardcover as a 35th birthday gift from my brother, was walking through an airport coming home from Hawaii and saw Storm sitting there on display. I really enjoy seeing new readers discover these books, new channels come along like Quinn's that give good analyses.

@joaogabrielalves8781 Год назад

God, if I were you I would already be crazy

@minnumseerrund Год назад

Twist: When the final script for Winds is finally delivered for print its ruined by a spilled goblet of Arbor Gold

@dirtysheepdog Год назад

Never would have realized this without the fan theorists. Love this idea

@dirtysheepdog Год назад

@@Francis..... seems to work against more than just the simple in this story…

@colinplaisance4274 Год назад

I’m sure it’s been covered before, but it’s interesting that House Redwyne are not Goldwyne and their sigil is a red grape. You can make a white or gold wine by removing the skins. So it seems that arbor gold is just made from red grapes similar to dornish reds but the wine itself is a lie to be presented as something unique. Notice that in the books it’s referred to as singular Arbor Gold. But for dornish wine it’s plural “dornish reds”

@JimRFF Год назад

I really like the idea that not only is the wine a bit of dramatic irony for us the readers to understand as a lie, but that it's also a lie in-world if the grapes really aren't any better than cheaper Dornish varieties, but the removal of the skins to change the color is enough to trick the average person in to believing it is a "superior vintage" and paying out the nose... after all, power resides where men believe it resides

@colinplaisance4274 Год назад

@@JimRFF exactly! It really fits thematically

@Lexxir Год назад

Flayed man + skinned grapes wine = Russ Bolton vampire confirmed

@Levacque Год назад

If that's truly the case, I imagine the reason why people value Arbor Gold so highly is because they can get completely ripped on it without a proportionately terrible hangover because of the lessened tannin levels.

@colinplaisance4274 Год назад

@@Lexxir yeah I thought about that but couldn’t make the clear connection.

@Brian-ib2yz Год назад

This is an awesome observation that I didn’t pick up on as a reader. It reminds me a lot of the use of oranges to signal greed and/or treachery in the Godfather trilogy, and like those oranges I bet being able to pick up on the imagery/symbolism will make re-reads more enjoyable

@warlordofbritannia Год назад

I’m glad someone else thought of the Godfather oranges too 😂

@VANIT_E 11 месяцев назад

I think any reference to wine from the Arbor is a signal. When Daenerys went to the Western Market, for example, the wine merchant insisted she try the "dry red from the Arbor" (Daenerys VI)

@billychops1280 Год назад

Quinn you’ve been single-handedly keeping my love of ASOIAF burning and I thank you for that

@Levacque Год назад

As soon as your image of Ulf White came up, I went, "Holy shit." You cracked the code for sure, and that one seals it for me. GRRM frequently uses his peripheral stories to reinforce the patterns and themes of the main series. I will indeed be looking out for the phrase in the next book.

@alexandergangaware429 Год назад

Preston's "Cersei and Taena" series has a good argument for the Merryweather's being Varys/Illyrio agents, and not Tyrell loyalists

@lawyeroutlaw Год назад

Now I assume Arbor gold was served at the dinner Tyrion had with the Goldcloaks commander before sending his ass to the Wall.

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

Janos Slynt Moment

@Radar0344 Год назад

When the merchant tries to poison Danny in GOT, he says it's a wine from the Arbor...

@WaywardWhiteWalker Год назад

It's settled then, Wyman wrote the pink letter.

@esjay1999 Год назад

revisit and discuss some of the Jaime chapters, especially his dreams and what they could mean

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

That’s a great idea!

@positive5486 3 месяца назад

In the first book, when the wineseller found out about dany's identity, he also wanted to have her drink arbor gold

@Bewbscueser 3 месяца назад

My closest friend who basically prosthelytized ASoIaF until I devoured the first three books in his condo pool while cat sitting just passed away. It breaks my heart that he never found out how the story ends. It breaks my heart that these books so many have a deep and abiding love for will never be finished. It kills me that George has been lying about finishing the books for years. I can no longer watch videos like this because what was once a source of great joy has turned to ash in my mouth.

@mattwarmka1703 Год назад

I dunno why, but I love the subscribe parrot at the end of your videos. It's got big grade school end of the month newsletter energy and I am here for it.

@RiderOfKarma Год назад

I had an idea watching HOTD that the Hightower’s were secretly using wine to poison Viserys in cahoots with the maesters. 🤔

@bobbehwitchie Год назад

What a refreshing change of pace. A theory I have never heard. Amazing theory. I appreciate the work you're doing. Glad I came across ur channel.

@Marcel442 Год назад

Mate, this was it. This was the post. This was the post that made me hit that subscription bell! I applaud you, ser. Your content is worth more than Arbor gold and Lannister gold combined!

@sblinder1978 Год назад

Did you notice? Half the time when Quinn the GM shows images of Arbor Gold the wine pictured is actually red? Who's paying him to spread this misinformation, is it the Tyrells? (With no new books, ASOIAF theories must move into real-world conspiracies, such as whether HBO is paying GRRM to not finish TWOW)

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

It’s the Redwynes, actually. (I meant to have a note about that in the video but forgot to add it, my bad)

@michaelamurphy845 Год назад

Can you talk about what you think will happen to Cersei and her trial?? You’re vids are so amazing

@staticdynamic1605 Год назад

Fantastic content.

@CLCHRD Год назад

that would even fit the tyrion chapter with janos slynt since slynt guessed the wine they're drinking is arbor gold but it isnt and after that there was really no dishonesty or secrets about what happened lol

@jolinefields3460 Год назад

I know I’m hundred years late here but this is first time I’ve heard this me I am so happy this was great and great style

@jolinefields3460 Год назад

Wow just had my glass or Arbor Gold with a Dunk and Egg K7K damn🙃 I’m so happy to know it was appreciated and did feel ooohgghhh sketchy and I’m on the road now but I’m glad 😇🤨

@richardtabor8686 Год назад

drankity-goo analysis...love it!!!

@kokai83 10 месяцев назад

Didn’t the wine merchant/ assassin mention Arbor Gold while he gifted a casket of poisoned wine to Danny? Love your videos:)

@BeteBlanc Год назад

How do you feel about other false/fools gold references? He can't exactly have every lie tied to a wine. Arbor Gold might be part a more general fools gold theme. We encounter Lem with his Lemoncloak. Sansa and her love if lemon cakes, which might suggest a sort of being fed lies. The lemon tree in Dany's memory suggesting falsehoods about her childhood. The false gold also pops up people describe his use of off gold colour. It might also include references to pee. When Varys trades the wine it's for a baby from a suggestive area of the city.

@Lexxir Год назад

“Littlefingler” 💀

@Valkanna.Nublet Год назад

Maybe that's what the sex workers call him ;)

@leondzananovic6576 4 месяца назад

Petire

@byjordi2185 Год назад

Finally someone actually talking about this theory :D

@warlordofbritannia Год назад

It’s like oranges in The Godfather, whenever they show up there’s about to be some bloody business

@hatemalmghawish4283 Год назад

Hey Quinn! I'm a huge ASOIAF fan from Syria and your content blows my mind every time you present a theory or a debate over a case or a character in ASOIAF, so thank you for your incredible work, but I just wanted to tell ya on little thing please, if you could slow down a little bit while you're speaking bcuz I couldn't catch all the words and for that I'll be really thankful man! Keep going

@annavafeiadou4420 11 месяцев назад

It's like the oranges in the Godfather

@vincentsempiternalis3935 Год назад

Perfect intro

@tempertempernow Год назад

Yeaaaaaassssss🎉

@ecclesiasticman4417 Год назад

peTIRE☠️

@Lexxir Год назад

Been listening to the audiobooks too much

@Rhaenyssupporter Год назад

oh peTIRE 😣

@borisdorofeev5602 Год назад

Juices and Chins theory or Almost a Man Grown theory next?

@lawyeroutlaw Год назад

Also this reminds me of a confusing detail to me in the books. Everybody seems to praise “Dornish Red” as some kind of superior wine. But isn’t Dorne basically Dune/Arrakis? Have you ever tried growing grapes in the desert? I have my doubts that it can possibly be the spot for ideal vineyards. Am I wrong?

@lightscorer1320 Год назад

Parts of it yes but the Greenblood (basically the Nile) runs through it and would be a great place for growing grapes (I think)

@bsword0311 Год назад

Grapes grown in hot climates generally grow bigger and are sweeter because they can grow easier, this makes it so when they ferment the extra sugar makes the wine more alcoholic, this could explain why everyone loves Dorneish wine because it is more alcoholic

@qwopiretyu Год назад

There's no such thing as a single biome nation. If there's no arable land you can't have a nation because you can't feed an army to protect it. You need SOME domestic food production so obviously Dorne can feed itself as it's been independent longest and most.

@johnnye87 Год назад

IIRC Dornish red is generally described as "sour", but not necessarily in a derogatory way as it does seem quite popular and expensive. The implication seems to be that Arbor gold is sweeter and more palatable than more punchy and "obvious" Dornish red. Like a good lie, it's attractive and easy to swallow.

@scoliosis9478 4 дня назад

i think Dorne is supposed to have more of a mediterranean climate given they grow grapes and olives and such, but there’s also desert in the hinterlands of the kingdom.

@GR-ym8po Год назад

Thank you so much for the spoiler warning....most don't do it

@akeelyaqub2538 6 месяцев назад

Lies or not, nothing will change the fact that Janos slynt has friends at court. Powerful friends!

@jenny_of_oldstones3523 Год назад

When in doubt BLAME BLOODRAVEN and LITTLEFINGER!!!! 🤪🤪🤪🤪

@ToucanBinks Год назад

👍

@MrHotSalsa Год назад

When i read "arbor gold" I'm like alright who is getting tricked

@dmcboi Год назад

Sounds a lot like Cool Aid! Mmmhhm keep drinking the Arbor Gold

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

Oh yeah!

@Valkorion9872 Год назад

The way Quinn just pronounced Petyr at 2:05 made me have a stroke.

@leondzananovic6576 4 месяца назад

Roy Dotrice pronounced it the same way in the audiobooks.

@face8374 Год назад

Fingler.

@socalchago Год назад

That's a bit like theorizing that there will likelv be violence when the author mentions a unsheathed blade. If characters are drinking arbor wine, it means 1) they are rich and 2) they have free time. Asoiaf characters who are rich and have time on their hands are definitely up to no good But more importantly, how often are charachters deceptive without the author mentioning arbor gold? Most of the series is about people lying to each other and to themselves

@EFFLUVIUMWRITING 21 день назад

little fingler

@arjunsandhar578 Год назад

@co94 Год назад

As much as I enjoy ASOIAF, I cant take many more theories ha. I sometimes think the Collective has mapped out so many paths and turned over so many stones already that GRRM is having too difficult a time furthering the story. Hence the delay. Ill be happy to be wrong, but I am losing faith that he will finish the books.

@astrinymris9953 Год назад

What I want to know: Why did the artist choose to render Cersei with blue eyes and Sansa with green eyes? 😉

@nirekin2760 5 месяцев назад

Sansa is a secret Lannister. Dun Dun Dun

@robertfaucher3750 Год назад

Doesn't Manderly mention Arbor Gold?

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

I talk about that in this video!

@robertfaucher3750 Год назад

@@QuinnTheGM I spaced out lol

@ayiza8511 Год назад

Yea Wynann manderly is a cannibal

@thebadasswolves1374 Год назад

136th viewer.

@bensonfang1868 Год назад

This theory makes me wonder what house redwyne’s endgame is.

@leondzananovic6576 4 месяца назад

I believe that they'll overthrow the Tyrells for Faegon.

@gh1430 11 месяцев назад

Anybody else stuck with calling petyr the way Roy Dotrice pronounced it? 😅 calling him PETER Baelish always throws me off.

@Bakasama04 Год назад

First

@infinitekreacher99 Год назад

First to comment. Last to get laid.

@jkelsey555 Год назад

1:14 clearly a red wine, sloppy sloppy sloppy. jk nice video

@jenniferpearce1052 Год назад

Pi-tire???!

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

It’s from the audiobook

@jenniferpearce1052 Год назад

@@QuinnTheGM Really? Wow. Thx

@johnmitchell4043 Год назад

Is 20 mentions really a lot? Doesn't seem like much to me

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

It’s a lot given that those mentions pretty much start in Feast, and happen over two books. It’s also a lot that they all have some tie to dishonesty.

@indigo8722 Год назад

PUTIIIIREEEE OHHHH PUTIIIIREEEEEEE

@spliffertonsheldrake6007 Год назад

"Peh-tire" ?? lol

@BobHoss4 Год назад

For the Algorithim 😘

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

Blood for the algorithm gods

@Kikithewildling Год назад

Lol I just got Robert Baratheon as my dream date. 😅 I thought it might be fun and I’d love to try the Arbor Gold but then again, I might get an STD or his super sperm may bust through my birth control so I’ll have to pass. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@BudravenOG Год назад

Peh tyre lol

@elainemarie8725 Год назад

Wasn’t Prince Aegon poisoned by his favorite wine “arbor red”?….

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

I believe so! Lots o’ wine poisonings near the end of the Dance.

@trippinzombiez Год назад

Pitire, really lol

@pyropulseIXXI Год назад

I don't get your joke. Dwarves is Tolkien and dwarfs is the 'correct way,' so why would "ourselfs" be if you are a Tolkienist? Ourselves is literally the 'Tolkien form.'

@Cheattoe Год назад

Sanity is for the weak

@fakeskyler2305 5 месяцев назад

puhtire

@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399 Год назад

You shoildve done this video while drunk

@ZachSparks614 Год назад

Why tf are you pronouncing his name Puh-tire? I had to stop the video as soon as I heard that twice.

@QuinnTheGM Год назад

It’s a reference to the audiobooks, that’s the pronunciation there.

@christopherlewis1315 Год назад

Its Pronounced "Peter," not "Puhtire." Please stop listening to the audiobooks, Roy Dotrice mispronounced so many names! 🤦‍♂️

@j3fr0uk 6 месяцев назад

Poor dude wrote himself into a corner and to actually be considered a great, he's gotta over come this.. Kinda like a wine turnin sour, GoT leaves a crappy taste in the mouth lmao...