Lolita Fashion Websites THAT DISAPPEARED 

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I remember one secret that was posted on BTB (if I'm not mistaken; maybe it was L-S) about a lolita who thought their own reflection was so cute, that they felt a strange impulse to pinch their own cheeks whenever they looked in a mirror. It's definitely one of the more wholesome secrets that were ever posted there, I hope that person is doing well today.

I loved poupee girl because it was the closest to alternative fashion social media we had that time. We could share our clothes photos, see other people's wardrobe, have some inspirations and dress up our avatars even if we still had no money or courage to show off to the world ourselves dressed up

I literally mourn the loss of Poupee Girl everyday. I played it since I has a highschooler in the 2000s. Every good report card, birthday, or holiday I begged my dad to buy me gems. I was active in the LiveJournal community for it and did comment clubs daily. So many hours and hundreds of dollars down the drain 😭

ive started using neocities as a way to basically hold all my wardrobe posts + blogging needs, it's basically just a free website host but it's a lot of fun that way! (Plus I made a coord builder on my site which is basically just a dressup game with all my pieces, has genuinely been helpful for planning out coords + new ideas)

One LJ that wasn't mentioned that I loved back in the day was wtfburando. It was for posting the worst/silliest/most ridiculous pieces. It was fun seeing some crazy stuff that you may not have before or roasting new releases that were not particularly liked at the time. I really wish that stuff existed outside of facebook now. I wasn't wearing the fashion for a long time, closed my facebook account and now can't make a new one. Then I realised that's where all the community is now. I wish I could meet other lolitas near me but I'm not sure how anymore😅

Lacebook started and ended during my hiatus so this is the first time I'm seeing what it looked like. As for the invitation system being accused of being "gatekeepy", it is abundantly clear to me from the moment you mentioned people complaining about it that the invitation system was for safety reasons. And all of the backstory that comes after that mentioning the reasons why it was started in the first place boils down to safety. The moment anyone complains about sign up requirements/vetting (like many fb comms now do, again for safety reasons) an alarm bell goes off in my head. Because why would you complain about something like that? If you're a lolita you won't have any trouble getting in because the community is for and by lolitas. The only reason I can think of that people would complain about it is because they're either creeps, predators or gawkers/spectators (people who like looking at people wearing lolita, and may even enjoy interacting with the comm, but have no intention to wear it themselves).

i used to be SO proud of my poupee girl, when the site discontinued i was soooo sad

getoffegl was one of the first groups I discovered when I got into the fashion and it’s a wonder that I continued wanting to be a part of the egl community so badly. It wasn’t anonymous and it was more like a public shaming ground for anyone posting things that were considered “too stupid” to post to the general EGL livejournal community. It was nice sometimes to see the community callout scammers and creeps but I know so many people who were victim to it simply for asking a “stupid question”. That being said, a lot of people are nostalgic for the LJ days but it’s the platform itself that fostered these types of blogs. Getoffegl wasn’t the first of it’s kind and the concept was taken from other shaming blogs like Fandom Wank or Stupid-Free which were dedicated to mocking people with certain hobbies or fandoms. On a lighter note, Hello Lace used to be my girl, I was devastated about her demise.

I wish there was just a lolita based website. Maybe with how Facebook groups do the "answer three questions to gain access" to help keep it more lolita-based I really hate facebooks lay out, like a lot. Even if it was just a "hey, you can post pictures and comment on this lolita website (:" I would love that lol

as a native french speaker I think calling it poopy girl is hilarious

As a native french speaker, your pronunciation of "poupée" is perfect ❤

Poupee girl and tinierme was my gacha in the 2011's ahahahahaha For now I'm settling with the tinierme dupe cocopaplay

Poupee Girl my beloved 😢

Poupée actually had 2 ds games, mint and pink.

loli secrets, getoffegl and a few other "drama sites" were operating in the same era iirc. GetoffEGL was originally intended to shame and make fun of people in the EGL LJ community who were bad for the community in some way or other, for example by repeatedly breaking the community rules, engaging in other boundary crossing behavior, ripping people off, asking the comm the same questions repeatedly, not wanting to learn despite being served help, etc. I don't remember if it kept to those original goals or if it became a more generalized drama site like loli secrets.

I love Poupee Girl! I kept getting banned though because I guess the pictures of my clothes were too good haha. I like to take the background out of all of my clothing and the game just wasn't having it. It was too hard for me to fight against and eventually I just gave up.

I feel like Discord servers have replaced a lot of the small individual websites, for better or for worse.

really hoping a programmer watches this and gives us something cute lol I liked that one that was only up for a month it was really cute

Oh, wow! Learning things like this really is interesting. I got interested in lolita fashion when I was 11/12, so 2006/2007, but I was more of a background spectator, especially due to me having limited online time until the late 2010s. I didn’t know any of this.

HelloLace was one of the first resources i came across in 2014. I loved that site!

This got me thinking about other defunct sites, like dolls palace

Incredibly nostalgic. Thanks for making videos like this! I'm especially interested in web archival, and it's always nice to see people's discussions about these nostalgic lolita topics in the comments. Not only is it fun to reminisce, but there are always lots of important retrospectives in the comments.

You look so cute in this video and I'm really into the attention to detail in the editing! Awesome as always!

One way to engage in the lolita community that I really miss right now is the forum. Back in the 2000s there was the lolita forum called Blue Period. And it was pretty big for a while. I think it became inactive in 2007. It's listed in Ophelia's/cynicalneoprincessism's lolita history timeline post. My own local comm also had a forum (probably using the same system as Blue Period) for a while. We just organically moved to other platforms after a while, I don't remember when exactly or where we moved to. Could be we stayed solely on LJ for a while until we mass migrated to other platforms. I went on hiatus before the great migration wave from LJ so I don't remember the specifics. Never got into twitter, tumblr, etc.

Lor your makeup in this video looks so gorgeous!! It compliments your features very nicely

kinda wish we could revive hellolace or have something similar that explains everything, maybe minus the wardrobe section where we could just link to lolibrary.

*zoom eyes on the blurred out Avant Gauche logo in the last slide*

tinierme was a similar website to poupee girl. it was a japanese virtual world where you can make your own chibi/anime style avatar and customize them as well as your in-game house. you could hang out in public areas or at your/your friends' houses, and there were also groups based on interests, typically relating to japanese media and pop culture, so within that space were a lot of j-fashion groups. you could also totally dress up your avatar in lolita style clothing and accessories that actually looked really good (because it was developed by a japanese company whose artists were assumably very up to date with japanese pop culture). the game shut down in 2012, but i still miss it every day. older internet users than me sometimes reminsce on niche forums they posted on in their youth, and that's how tinierme felt for me.

Listening Lor talking about body wash scents made me crave tea. So midnight tea time it is~

Hi Lor! Love this video. Have you ever thought about making a video about the history makeup & lolita fashion or even a video about your makeup? I know a lot of lolitas used to say things like “natural makeup only” or even “makeup doesn’t have a place in lolita.” I love seeing people use makeup in interesting ways with their coords!

I was active on Poupee girl for a solid 3 years... I remember the only time I paid for anything on it was for a charity thing they were doing for the 2011 tsunami, If you donated a certain amount they gave you a little red balloon for your avatar to hold and a bunch of jewels. I laughed at the "poopie girl" comment because every time i'd be playing it and my older brother would see on my laptop he'd tease that i was on "the poopy website" (we were in our 20's btw lol)

A website that I recall from the late 00’s to the early 10’s was a little site called Lolita Snap.

poupéegirl is so nostalgic! I had completely forgot about it!!

Lol I still do the bookmark thing on my phone...I don't have a lot of apps

Personally I use the internet in both ways but I miss those days when the forums I like were more active than nowadays.

Oh, nope. I don't use their specific apps for surfing internet places on mobile at all. :D I just go directly to my favorite website via phone's main internet browser and input the website's address or person's channel/patreon/profile direct link, same as I would do on computer. I don't really bookmark stuff unless it is like collection of niche shops or smth, I just either remember the full website's home address from the top of head, or I remember address of someplace else where I know the link is listed so I click through there. Rarely I just google specific websites with weird names or articles I want to read again or link to someone based on partially remembered phrases (and google's ability to find perfect copy of anything "inside these", and very very rarely I just randomly click through articles and read whatever catches my fancy, checking listed links as I go. So, I basically just remember bunch of about 50 addresses that I frequent more or less often and for shops and cafés etc. I just expect that any brand has set logicaly their web name as their brand name with .com or . national code.

when the curtain opened and I saw you were filming the lolita secrets part in the bathroom I actually shrieked out loud

Oh my lord, I remember browsing hellolace when I had to make a school homework and decided to talk about lolita fashion! And omg I spent so much time on poupee girl! ;;

Lor you have hit the absolute intersection of my interests congratulations

There's a beneath the bows page but when I had a look at it, it was either straight up alt-right or something close to it. Either way, definitely avoid it.

i misssss websites so much lol sure having everything in basically a few websites its convenient but the early internet was so fun and colorful. i used to spend HOURS browsing those websites that just had a million links to other websites of the same theme (like anime turnpike? amazing) i know some websites still exist but the internet just isnt fun like it used to be lol now everything is so corporate looking. i desperately want there to be another poupee girl type website, i know its so hard for stuff like that to take off these days though so someone would really just have to have a passion for it and not care about turning a profit because they wouldn't. anyway on topic, i used hello lace so much in my early lolita days, it really is a shame that its gone because it was so informative. i did occasionally browse behind the bows. i never heard of lacebook until this video, its a shame it didnt take off because that would have been really nice. im all for more specialized websites tbh.

I considered leaving the informational parts online back when I was closing hello lace, but I didn't think anyone would really miss it tbh, so I didn't. Oops, haha. :') I'm still archiving things, but in a different community now. It's fun to see people enjoyed my old website back in the day though.

the absolute menace that is milan-ew, to still have to tiptoe around them😅

i looooove Poupeegirl! i completely forgot about that site omg. that site definitely kept my admiration for egl fashion growing when i couldn’t afford actual pieces 💗

This was super informative and fascinating!! I remember all these websites and omg, it's making me miss my college years lol (To note: have I been pronouncing it wrong this whole time?? I thought it was Loh-LIE-brary?? I need to sit down)

Oh that's gonna be nostalgic to watch huh

You in the bathroom for lolita secrets lmao. But honestly I just miss LiveJournal, like all the lolita comms and how you could make big posts like wardrobes.

I used hello lace and pouppeee girl back in the day. But, um I’d be down for a long furb community website 😂😂😂😂 ❤

God I miss hellolace. Lolibrary is clearly the superior replacement but hellolace just had so much charm

i LOVE the classic shoujo OP Lor is wearing in this video, may some1 tell me where it's from please? thx !!

👗 history! 💗💗💗

Imho, invitation only sites while yes sucks that you're excluded, helps monitor the site better, you know who is on the site

hiya !! thank you so much for all of your videos lor, i really love them and as a beginner lolita it really helps me out ! ૮ ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶ ა

I’m still on tumblr but I’m not anything resembling a good example

So I am brand new to Lolita. I've been admiring it over half of my life, but have not had the confidence or money. I'm in a better position now and would love any shopping tips. I went to taobao and am struggling to navigate. I'm also having issues knowing what I'm looking at, as most sites are in Chinese. I'm able to use translate for the most part, but certain things won't let me. Do you have any shopping tips for someone who is brand new?? I know Lolita is not a cheap fashion, but do you have any "budget friendly" sites for a newcomer?? Also, I keep hearing about shopping services but have no idea what that means or how they work. Could you maybe clarify that for me?? I also found a site called lolitian and am wondering if you have ever heard of it?? I am so sorry to bombard you with questions that I'm sure you're sick of answering, but i would truly appreciate anything you have to offer. I'm also on the bigger side. I wear like a size large, sometimes medium, but i also keep hearing that Lolita isn't always size friendly. But I really want a part of the fashion as well as the community. Any advice would be much appreciated, especially from you. If you have read this whole novel of a content, I appreciate it, and would appreciate a response even more. Lots of love. 💙💙

nice new hair

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As much as i loved PoupeeGirl, especially the artstyle🤔 i do feel, the whole "poupee police" hing went a wee bit OTT. The rules changed,,,so, people that before "no dolls" in yer photo uploads rules started, had posted a hairstylin' dolls heid wi' an IW bonnet on(aye, me)or a cuddly toy backpack wearin' an apron dress(basically whit Babytssb does these days), a couple years prior & had firgotten, could get their account lock't if the Poupee Police found out. I hae a suspicion, the hypocritcal rules,,,no doll item photo's on a doll dress up site 😹 really? *sigh* I feel that people used flaggin' profiles that didny know they had pre-crime broken the new rules, as a form of anonymous bullyin'. I hink, the fact the website wanted users wi' lock't profiles te formally apologise, basically grovel, in fluent Japanese, in an email, was enough te force english speakin' users aff the website. No everywan on the site knew Japanese. Personally, i know even japanese te read primary school level manga, so ma apology level woukd been like a toddler, an' it nade me feel really anxious & insecure. Back then, i didny know how te "speak truth to power", especially language barrier wise. I hink the web site moderaters, had some awfy misguided & misjudged rules & behaviours, that caused consequences fir the website. As a user that experienced it, i feel as if they didny really fully understand their own popularity wi' nonJapanese lolita, cultural differences, language barriers, an' how much the website attracted people that love dolls in general. An', well, we aw know elitism can grow bullies. An' the way the site was structured, had a tiered hierarchy mentality, that could lead te elitism & bullyin', almost accidentally encouragin' it. I hink quite a few factors led te its demise, an' its easy te see the website through PoupeeGirl sized rose tinted glasses, mibbe? I did consider the DS game, at the time, but it coincided wi' the new rules, that led te the Poupee Police sort of abusin' their power,,,or the users daein' it fir them. Sommit that wasny a crime, suddenly was, over their fear of ribbon farmin'. I got Wagamama Girls Mode, instead. I got heavier inte Style Boutique & Girls Mode, on ma ma sisters 3DS she handed doon te me, an' a 3DS LL i firced masel' te have te buy after i ordered Girls Mode(the wan wi' the dolls hoose theme, i hink)& couldny cancel it. In the Japanese version if the game, they do refer te "Babydoll", as lolita. So, aye,,,i hink the website "shot itself in the foot", and i assume users swap't tr different loli-able dress up games, that wereny as stressy in some ways.