LONDON - EDINBURGH in my ELECTRIC CAR. They may take our ENGINES but they'll nEVer take our FREEDOM! 

Same here. Well said.

On my road trip yesterday to Derby and back I only saw 9 EVs on the road. It’s my new I spy catergory. Now lots of pre registered EVs in all the main dealers and the sales staff and all management are forced to have one. I can only think people don’t travel in EVs because they are so inconvenient that people don’t travel in them Maybe people have a diesel for weekend road trips. The charging system on the roads is not being improved, I think this is because of charging times there is no profit or business argument in charging an EV. A petrol pump turns over a £1200 pounds an hour an EV charger £20 to £40 an hour. The servicing and transaction costs make this an unsustainable business model. There is a big problem for EV sales as private car dealerships won’t touch them and the first gen cars are now up for the 3 year upgrades. In the local BMW dealership there’s a shortage of petrol cars as people don’t want a second EV car. There must be more to the EV transitioning because I can’t see a reason apart from restricting the freedom and liberty enjoyed through travelling for local Environmental virtual signalling.

So the environment doesn't matter to you or climate change caused by human evolution. Nice to hear you don't care. If fuel was increased to £2 a litre you might think again so let me know when you get a non ICE car as price increases are on the way.

@@tobycolin6271 Basically, yes, statistically most Teslas are purchased as a third or fourth car (not even a second one!), we don't have the stats for other EVs, but probably the same. EVs are fantastic as a third or fourth car to get the kids to school. But if you can only afford to own a single car or even 2 cars, an EV doesn't make practical sense for most people, most of the time.

​@@RB-lt8kt Even if you removed every single vehicle from the roads completely in the UK, this would account for less than 1% of global emissions and will be immeasurable for climate change. Also fuel did jump to £2 last year, this led to electricity to jump too. Right now as it stands, my diesel car costs 13.5p per mile (at £1.60 / litre) to run, home charging EV costs 17p per mile (day rate, unless you want to switch to a higher day rate to get night rates - note also 40%+ of the UK do not have off street parking), public charging costs 30p per mile - it makes driving an EV unaffordable for most (even if you ignore the inadequate range for many drivers). Considering 60% of our grid power comes from fossil fuels and our power plants are only 35% efficient, an EV is actually much worse for the climate when you factor in the mining, manufacturing, charging and longevity. Your average EV lasts 8-12 years before a £6k battery repair or £12-15k battery replacement, so at this point it becomes scrap for many. Your average ICE lasts 17 years and this is predicted to increase to 20 You are also better off burning the fossil fuel directly, instead of at the power station. Your diesel is around 35% efficient, like your power station, but you don't have the additional 10% loss to convert from AC to DC to charge the battery and another 10% loss to convert back to AC for your electric motor, plus 1% daily discharge rates, etc. You have to look at the full picture and the actual impact on the planet. Right now you're burning the same fossil fuel to power an EV, losing 65% of the power by the time it gets to your socket from the power station, then another 20% to charge/use, plus your daily 1% discharge. You've done nothing to reduce your emissions, but you've contributed to huge amounts of pain and suffering and earth destruction to create those batteries that have half the longevity of an ICE. So what have you solved? In some mythical future world where we figured out how to solve the power storage problem at the grid, where we figured out how to make solar panels without quartz and other rare earth minerals, when wind turbines last more than 15-20 years and when this renewable dream is affordable (even at 40% renewable, here in the UK we pay 10x more per kWh vs countries that use nuclear say). Once we solved all this, 20-50 years from now, and we have 100% renewable energy, then an EV might make perfect sense, if we can solve the range and longevity problems.

Average EV charging time in the UK is 29 minutes, which after 3-4 hours of driving is acceptable. If you can charge from home, you just plug it in and let it charge overnight while you sleep, and the majority of your journeys will cost 2-3p per mile. The savings are worth a little wait on long journeys, I would say.

Cost of coffee and unhealthy snack food alone crazy 😂😂😂. Doing my bit with wood pellets (as I thought) just don't look closely at their production or sky rocketing costs.😭

Use Google you will find excellent quality Renault Zoe's for £4,990

Good light on EVs .Only good for Cities as I have always said to myself.The future bis control.Cant wait 😢

True, and great at pushing cars out of the way, too! 😊

Try it first don't let your prejudice blind you. When horses were the transport people said the same about the ice vehicles. When they tried them, they ate all the surplus horses! wasn't it the same when wide screen TV came along?

Best option for a electric local run around is a golf cart as you can get road legal ones. Plus with no extra items to power it will be great on battery life. In parts of America people do use golf carts for this exact reason.

@@bentullett6068 Or a Citroen Ami!

@Mike Hipperson that pretty much is a golf cart in all honesty. The Ami to me looks like someone took design inspiration from a portable toilet. At least a golf cart has truck type styling.

It’s insane, one thing l think that will happen in the future is the price of second hand petrol and diesel cars is the the price will go through the roof as the low income people simply can’t afford a new electric car, thoughts?

That's the plan.

@@glennlingard7851 the price of petrol and diesel’s are going up 10 to 15% a month. There are no cheapULEZ complaint vehicles going through the auctions. Whilst BEVs remain un sold presenting the same cars month after month. You only have to look at the number of pre registered un sold BEVs that are piling up at the main dealers

@@tobycolin6271 well said Toby!

@@glennlingard7851 in a recent weekend trip convertibles out numbered BEVs 18 to 1 this morning it was 5 to 1. On my drives the number of Porsche boxsters equals the number of BEVs scene. You never see BEVs on the road. There are more Audi Trs on the roads than BEVs but the sales figures say much different.

Range will drop by half no matter what fuel the vehicle uses. That is basic physics. I have seen a number of EV towing videos, and none were the least bit scientific and should be disregarded as evidence of anything other than how not to do a range test..

Resale is non existent too

It's mostly people leasing them through business as you can get approx 40% off in tax benefits. I had one but have since gone back to petrol. If the tax incentives are taken away, sales will definitely fall.

Bloody hope so.

There whole electric car plan is another Communist ploy.

Prices of used EVs have come down, which should be celebrated as they are now available to a wider audience. However, the reason for this has nothing to do with no one wanting them as demand is still high. The price drop is basically because more used EVs have come to market for a number of different reasons. Previously, there had been long waiting times for new EVs, but that has now passed, so the premium EVs had enjoyed has come to an end. Earlier this year, Tesla slashed prices on its Model Y and 3 to put greater pressure on European manufacturers. This was despite the Tesla Model Y being the best-selling EV in Europe and the UK. In fact, it was the 3rd fastest selling car of all types in the UK last year, with only the Nissan Qasqai and the Vauxhall Corsa outselling it. In addition, many leases came to an end, and those EVs have come to market. I read that the availability of used EVs had increased by 264%, whilst demand was 48% in the first 3 months of this year. There is a lot of misinformation circulating, especially on social media, which could deter some people from buying an EV, but for anyone who has done their research properly, there is no reason not to buy a used EV.

Friday was probably the worse time to do it, should of done it on a better day of week

​@@traceyabbott6184 maybe should avoid rush hours, Fridays, holidays and eventually any driving at all

@@traceyabbott6184 what a great idea! Unless of course you’re actually travelling in a Friday.

Not the best time to travel no matter what you drive. I checked the journey time, leaving at 7.30pm from London in an identical car, and you only need to stop twice to get to Edinburgh if leaving London with 90% charge and total charging time of 37 minutes for the 2 stops.

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It was on the News , but it was buried at the back...can't have any negative news about the EU right ?...Germany blocked , and said they should be exempt from it while the rest of the EU had to comply...yeah that's going to happen .

The EU has buckled under pressure from Germany on the proviso they run on e-fuels.

My friend's Dad was a private pilot back in the 90s. He used to run his car on AvGas, then swapped it back to petrol (and a slight retune) for MOT time. Saved him a fortune 😃

Yep, charging in the UK is not setup for towing yet. Your petrol or diesel car will also experience a loss in MPG/Range when towing - it's simple physics.

I empathise with your concern, but don't agree that the potential problems are insurmountable. Also, some of the charging companies are providing charge bays for disabled drivers.

OK so the thing is that if a wheelchair user pulls up to a petrol forecourt they can request assistance to fill up. My experience is that even if you had a disability accessible spaces no one would be available to plug the vehicle in. So yeah, they're not disability friendly, and they may not be able to plan their journey as easily

@@user-fl3ey2sx3j Do you have off-street parking where you live with wheelchair access to your home?

Many countries are now using electric mining and quarrying trucks and in Australia Caterpillar have built an electric quarrying truck that carries 265 tons of rock. Electric mini diggers are ideal for working in enclosed places where ventilation is limited.

Yes, petrol stations do run out of fuel from time to time, and, on average, 70k people run out of petrol or diesel each month in the UK, leaving them stranded sometimes in the outside lane of a motorway. According to the AA, only 2% of call outs to EV drivers are because of running out of charge. EVs can and do long journeys, and the average annual mileage for EVs is actually higher than the national average for petrol cars. It is undeniable that much needs to be done to improve the charging infrastructure, but that will happen over time. The fact is EV adoption in the UK is happening quicker than the industry expected or planned for.

​@@gregevigan ​ gregevigan aka EV Man

I like the idea of a hybrid with a moderate-sized battery and a small engine used only to run a generator: no transmission. Ideally there would be a small electric motor on each wheel but probably that would be too expensive, despite its extreme simplicity and the potential for superb handling and performance.

@@markiangooley Its all about best of both! I think its a great idea. With the new E-Fuel announcements from Porsche I could see your idea becoming a reality.

They hate you and rather you didn’t exist. They don’t care about your struggles. I don’t think they will bother with hybrids unless we all start uniting and stand up.

Agreed the only way at the current state of technology.

Genius solution. You ought to patent it. I'm going to invent a trailer, that will be connected to EVs, with a generator in it.

Yeah but just think of all the miles those righteous people can drive for 2p per mile. Even Lee in his Taycan could drive 275 miles for around £6.60. 😊

​@@FullFact548Get real!

Lol. 😂 Yes.

Charging at home while you sleep? Stopping every 150-200 miles for a 30-minute charge and a refreshment break? No smelly fumes coming out of an exhaust pipe? I think the issue is more positive than you believe

@@FullFact548 Charging at home... 🤣... Stopping every 150-200 miles for a 30-minute charge ..... more like 3 hour break, IF you can get on a charger..... smelly fumes..... sorry, don't put my mouth round pipes! 😂 ..... you guys are 🐑

Exactly right, Stephen. The true believers keep yapping that any day now there will be more chargers (largely subsidized by taxpayers, of course). But if they could wave a magic wand and transform every gas pump into a charging point, it still would be a nightmare when nearly every car on the road is plug-in electric. Because everybody would have to sit there for an eternity waiting for a charge, compared to a few minutes to fill a gas or diesel tank. Rapid charging at home isn't possible because most homes, at least here in the US, have only 120V and 240V circuits. The Ford F-150 Lightning pickup truck takes 10-15 hours to charge at 240 volts, and 4-6 days at 120 volts. If these EV contraptions are so great, why can't they stand on their own in the marketplace?

@@rwalkenhorst Absolutely right. You forgot that it is the taxes of WORKING people that pay for the subsidies so that the rich and well off can buy and run their playthings.

Don't worry we'll be alright, the sun and wind will supply us with all the power we need!!😂😂🐄💨🐄💨

@@daveevans2696 - oh yes! I forgot about that 😂😂😂😂

​@@daveevans2696 Not just the sun and wind but energy from renewable sources provided 53% of the UK's electricity last year.

The same question was asked in the 1920's when petrol cars started becoming popular. Electricity is everywhere in this country, and the infrastructure will follow as EV adoption increases, although some beefing up will be required. But, the technology exists and is getting smarter all the time, and considering the average annual mileage driven in the UK, charging those 33 million cars shouldn't be an issue. Around 65% of homes in the UK have the potential to install a home charger according to the RAC Foundation, and with the range modern EVs have, most would only need to charge once a week at most. The average journey is 8.4 miles.

@@FullFact548 it would be interesting to know how much extra electric we will need instead of petrol and diesel

How much would the gas cost if he made the 405-mile trip in a Porsche Panamera, though?

@@FullFact548 Why would anyone drive a Panamera!? 🤮 Personally I don't like 4 Door Porsche because they are trying to be something they are not. But otherwise Porsche cool. However I'm a Mercedes owner so can't say too much about Porsche.

Clearly you have never even tried an EV. That's ok the roads will be a lot quieter when all the EV haters are using electric bikes!

Early adopters are like that.

@@FullFact548 It is so easy at a petrol or diesel pump. Furthermore prices must be shewn BY LAW where they can be clearly seen from the road by potential users. None of that Osprey nonsense. It was 79.2 pence per kilowatt hour by the way ..... CRIMINAL !!! I wouldn't go into a supermarket where prices weren't shewn, select a number of unpriced items, hand over my credit card, not get a bill and then have to get back to the car before hunting through a load of apps to find out how much I had been charged. Trading Standards should be onto that Osprey mob tout de suite.

Agreed. However, you and/or your passengers would need to stop to stretch/eat/pee - so that's when you'd charge (if you could find a charger !!). You also don't need to charge to 100% though - just enough to get you to the next break stop (plus safety margin). The problem is, motorway electric chargers are like motorway petrol/diesel - EXPENSIVE. Rapid chargers are expensive now anyway, unfortunately, which is where a big battery and home charging has a big benefit.

First of all, all the things you mentioned that draw an electrical current do affect your fuel economy. The only difference is the amount of waste heat available to warm the cabin. A diesel wastes as much as 65% of its fuel in the heat generated from friction and combustion. Second, Lee's Taycan has a real-world range of 295 miles on a full charge from its 83.7 kWh battery, but let's 265 miles as you never want to fully deplete the battery. Third, Lee has a home charger and can plug in 30 seconds and allow the car to charge overnight while he sleeps. An EV specific tariff will provide the first 44.4 kWh at 7.5p per kWh costing £3.33 and the remainder (if needed) at 40p a kWh costing another £12.37. Total cost £15.70 or 6p per mile for 265 miles. Fourth, your diesel isn't a 402hp luxury sports saloon capable of 0-62 mph in 5.4 seconds and 154 mph flat out. I hope you don't count that information as EVangelist bullying.. 😊

Logic what a great idea

Also EV range in cold weather rapidly diminished!

@lucky sembry That depends on the EV as some are fitted with heat pumps, which reduce battery drain for heating the cabin and battery. Some EVs range may drop as much as 30% in winter, but cars with heat pumps under 20% is achievable. All cars use more fuel in freezing conditions as cold air is denser, creating more wind resistance. Also, an engine needs to be at running temperature to be its most efficient.

It is very intentional. They don’t want us driving cars.

Citizen Khazi has destroyed London

Would be better to take a train and hire an EV when you get there 😊

Don't plan on entering any ULEZ anytime soon, then 😅

LOL!!!! Those ULEZ will become a Road charge for EV drivers soon enough! Watch this space.

@@FullFact548 i try to keep out of London and Oxford city. 15 min cities are coming and the rules will apply to all cars. My thoughts are by then i'll be living in Russia where there is much more freedom!

@The MacMaster That’s a contradiction in terms if I ever heard one, Lee, considering EVs have no tail pipe emissions..

Strange ! I saw that and didn’t notice the caravan being nicked !

Lol. 😂 👍🏼