She was manipulative and cunning but also kind and empathic as well. She never put anyone in danger and gave win win solutions to those who deserved it. A wonderful Queen.
@blessedaretheblessed1555 I'd say that in ASOIAF-universe everyone is pretty much boned, no matter if they're good or evil. Some just reap their rewards faster than others.
She has won the hearts of all people including Joffrey. She always tries to make allies through empathy and she never intends to make enemies. She’s been the best manipulator to me in the show. This is why Cersei is jealous of her. She has this ability to hide her motives when it comes to increasing her social status at the same time understanding what they feel/think. She’s a very interesting character and long before until I noticed. This is probably why I’ve seen her as neutral before as she’s more likable.
olenna really shouldnt have killed joffrey. he would have gotten her pregnant and she wouldve been queen even if he died later so long as she produced an heir. and joffrey showed no signs of wanting to abuse her once she won him over. unlike sansa margaery had power he knew that
@@hollyeve2465 in the books littlefinger is the only one who killed Joffrey, since it was supposed to be directed at Tyrion instead of Joffrey so Sansa could be free of marriage.
@@hollyeve2465 That would be way too risky from Olennas perspective. Theres no telling what Joff would be willing to do to her after they were married, let alone after she was pregnant. Not to mention Joffs affection is always a ticking time bomb. It would be a matter of time before Margaery witnessed something he found shameful and would turn on her just like he did with Sansa. Remember Joff hated Sansa since the Kings road events. He still played prince charming for her until he had her in his grasp. Margaery wouldnt have the same protections from her family after the wedding, let alone a pregnancy, like she does before the marriage. And thats assuming Joff can even perform, the one time we saw him order prostitutes was to have them savagley beaten. If thats what he needs to get off Margaery would be in a world of pain and trouble. Margaery is very good but Joff is too sadistic and too unstable.
In the end, she failed to realize that sometimes the game of thrones requires a knife in the back or poison in the gullet to win. It's her only failing I feel
@@droideka4830yup she was just always unlucky despite being very cunning and charismatic. Basically all of her husbands died brutally right after she married them and her mother in law was literally psychotic enough to kill everyone.
Natalie Dormer, aka Maraery actress: "I have an asymmetrical mouth. I have a naturally crooked smile. People call it a smirk, but it’s not, it’s just my natural smile with my lips closed. If you could quote me verbatim, I’d appreciate that… My sister has it too, it’s a family trait."
I love the brilliant subtlety of the scene in S3 where Joffrey has the crossbow pointed at her menacingly and confronts her about marrying Renly, a traitor. She slips out of it by enticing Joffrey with gossip about Renly's sexuality, but keeps her voice hushed so that she can move closer. She sits beside him on the couch, getting herself behind his crossbow and out of danger.
@@bhynh honestly, the scenario just saved Cersei, she made a series of ridiculous mistakes from the start of season 5 until the end of season 6 but still wins without suffering the consequences of her mistakes. It's like you had a boxing match, win the 12 rounds and the judges declared you the loser, Natalie Dormer also wanted to leave the show because she wanted to make her film and the character of Cersei was too important, having no more book following the scriptwriters we pulled out a magic trick so that Margeary lost and Cersei won, at least they killed Tommen to have some consequence for this act. But when we see the last 2 seasons it would have been infinitely more interesting Margeary Queen with the arrival of Daenerys than Cersei who as usual does anything and only stupid choices.
She is really absolutely menacing when she wants to be, and the way the show put her she was politically brilliant. She married 3 different Kings (one of them just a claimant but still), along with her Grandmother she catapulted House Tyrell to #2 spot in all the Seven Kingdoms, she was so very close to being THE Queen so many times.
She was THE queen, from S5 onwards. She just couldn't enjoy it cause as she herself said, her luck was awful - a normal mother-in-law would have stepped aside - hers however decided to burn down half the city just to be rid of her... and for what, the title of queen? Cersei is an utter lunatic.
@@mandash4762 Their goals and manipulation tactics are similar, but Olenna is more blunt and direct, honest if you will, and Margaery tries more to diplomatically pacify and befriend others and has her looks to boost her. So although they are very close and share things between them, like being extremely savvy and aware of their surroundings, they are playing a bit different game, Margaery sugarcoats and plays buddy-buddy to royals and masses alike, Olenna denies BS and gets to the point. They share being sneaky with their intentions and not relying on violence, using it only in extreme self-preservation occasions, getting others to do what they want with cookies rather than fear. Their battlefields involve social interactions, not bloody swords. It's only that they both want to see Margaery rule and hence have no conflict with each other.
1:37 key difference between Cersei and Margaery. Cersei is terrified of the common people and despises them, they're basically beasts in her mind. She wants them away and controlled. But Margaery actually likes them, and does her best to stay in touch with them and show her appreciation.
She admitted to being disgusted by them. It was all for manipulating the masses into loving her. The Tyrells don't care about anyone other than themselves
@@tsxtina2919 That only happened inside your head buddy, she never once said that. Obviously there was an advantage in gaining their trust and siding with them, and she knew that and took advantage of that, but that doesn't mean she didn't care about them or didn't enjoy helping them.
The High Sparrow is such an underrated villain. I remember watching the show originally and seeing the shit he put Margaery and Loras through and absolutely hating his guts.
@@chief8268 no ya, don’t get me wrong the rest of the show before him was peak got. And they handled him poorly. I’m just saying he had a lot of potential to be a great side villain.
@@anmesiac he was a zealot, a very dangerous fanatic. And, finally, he really loved the power, as most of them... so, he also was an hypocrite. In in my opinion, one of the most repugnant and disgusting characters in GoT!
@@anmesiac"Together we can overthrow an Empire." "When the many stop fearing the few..." "Will you aid in dealing justice to heretics and apostates?" He may truly believe in his religion, but realistically he's not stupid, he's using his religion as a tool to start a revolution and secure power. Only someone looking to centralize control would deal "justice" to anyone that doesn't agree with him.
The example how how being a manipulator isn't always bad. Margery was a good person who was smart and knew how to play. She didn't use her manipulation skills to harm people. That was what good about her.❤
She was not a good person. Everything she did she did it out of selfishness, every action was calculated and planned. She couldn't care less about the common people. Now, she was a great manipulator because not even you can see how fake she is.
@@PurpleSirens I think she was ashamed of his behaviour and maybe she wasn't cruel but the show never tested her character, which is a sad. Hope the book shows more about her.
The one rule of King's Landing is that nothing is ever as it seems. Margaery is one of the most cunning examples of that. Just like Pycelle and High Sparrow, she does this performance where she seems fully innocent and ignorant, but really is a brilliant manipulator who uses her cute factor to win people's sympathies and get them on her side. She seems to be one of the few good people in King's Landing and that's how she wins people over and gets them to love her.
Memory unlocked: It's that smirk and pleasantness that had me wondering if Sansa was about to get played again. I couldn't understand why the Tyrell's were being kind to Sansa. I was nuurvous. #OnePenLegend 🚶🏾♂️
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl I understand now, but I was just remembering my first go thru of the story. I thought she was going to set her up or something. The way she would ask Sansa things 'Is that something u would like?' They were literally everything that Sansa wanted. Sansa was lapping it up like she was at an oasis. Margaery would become Sansa's 'older sister', she had a lot of women in the Tyrell court who were around her age, she would marry Loras, she would've been safely tucked away...at HighGarden. I wasn't buying it. And sure enough, Sansa ended up cooped up alone with LittleFinger. 🫢
@@HarlemSexyBlaqkat Not likely. Even though Loras wasn't into women it's not like he would mistreat her or anything like that. The Tyrell's would see to it that she's taken care of and would of found a way to get her back home. As for the need to produce an heir, they'd find a man to be a 'sperm donor' just like they did with Rhaenerya/Laenor/Harwin thing. Someone who would look similar to Loras to avoid suspicion and would never hurt Sansa. She'd be upset but she would come around.
@@yurp7444 That was only because Cersei got in the way and ruined their plans. And she only ended up with Littlefinger is because Olenna poisoned Joffrey, blamed it on Tyrion and snuck her away in the midst of the chaos.
She would have been so good for Sansa. I liked watching them together, Sansa needed to find solace in someone and she could have learned so much from Margaery in dealing with people.
Margery would have made a terriffic Queen. She was shrewd and cunning in politics like her Grandmother, but she had a heart of gold like her father. She was everything Cersei could never be
I didn't care for the Sparrow story line because Margaery was thrown in prison and kind of forgotten after that until she got blown up with everyone else.
She is by far is only character in the show who could have won the game of thrones without spilling blood. Orlenna decided to poison Joeffrey just because he was a psychopathic little shit and not because they lost control
Such a perfect lady from a noble house whos grooomed to be a good queen. She is cunning as all nobles r but she is kind and caring of the commonfolk which is a quality rarely seen among nobles.
I’ve no idea why anyone wanted the throne & crown so bad. It is so much responsibility & hard work-& people are gunning for your downfall. No thank you.
If I'm being completely honest 😌 I see "Margaery' in certain women today. The way she acts n this vid. There's prob a proper name for it and training classes. Margaery would experience success in today's society. She may not get certain positions, because she is too sweet. Cersei's grit could command positions unattainable to her. But Margaery was beating Cersei. She was going to gently put Cersei out to pasture. Cersei did not win....she had to flip the Monopoly game board over. And Margaery's piece was never found. 🚶🏾♂️
honestly, the scenario just saved Cersei, she made a series of ridiculous mistakes from the start of season 5 until the end of season 6 but still wins without suffering the consequences of her mistakes. It's like you had a boxing match, win the 12 rounds and the judges declared you the loser, Natalie Dormer also wanted to leave the show because she wanted to make her film and the character of Cersei was too important, having no more book following the scriptwriters we pulled out a magic trick so that Margeary lost and Cersei won, at least they killed Tommen to have some consequence for this act. But when we see the last 2 seasons it would have been infinitely more interesting Margeary Queen with the arrival of Daenerys than Cersei who as usual does anything and only stupid choices.
Why do you guys imply that makes her a bad person. She was always plotting, she has a goal and she needed to achieve it, but that doesn't mean she didn't enjoy helping people, she was literally one of the most empathetic people on the show, and that's quite easy to see.
Margaery was absolutely a schemer but she never brought any harm to anyone at all while playing the game. And most of her schemes ended with pretty good results where everyone was happy and safe at the end. She was a decent person in the end.
They forget she was in conflict with Crrsei precisely because they were clever manipulators, even if you think she cared for people, ultimatetly she wanted to manipulate them too by being nice and give them what they wanted, she did the same to Joffrey and Tommen.
She did a great job because many ppl of the audience still believe she was good. She was as ambition and awful as the rest of the characters. But she was not as smart, her big mistake was to mess with Cersei.
she was the smartest. she didn’t mess with cersei, few remarks that could be taken either way are not “messing” with someone. cersei thought the prophecy was about her and she was seeing her as the enemy no matter what.
I agree that it's a mistake to think that Margaery was "good" except by comparison. She's fairly ruthlessly ambitious and a master of PR - there's nothing to indicate that she's motivated by a sincere desire to run the realm well. But she didn't underestimate Cersei's intelligence: by most metrics, she's a much better player of the game than Cersei. For instance, she's able to steer Joffrey in whatever direction she wants while having no formal power over him at all, while Cersei, as Queen Regent, actually _had_ formal power over Joffrey (and could, for example, have stopped Ned's execution by just ordering Ser Ilyn to stand down,) but never used it even when Joffrey's cruel, impulsive idiocy was about to screw up her plans. What Margaery did fatally miscalculate was Cersei's attitude to losing. If Cersei is about to lose, she will flip the table, set the board on fire and throw in a stick of dynamite just to be safe. That only didn't come back to bite her because the writers decided that writing Cersei as a hated tyrant who needed to crack down brutally on any dissent to stay in power and was constantly under threat of being ousted would be inconvenient for the story. So the fallout that _should_ have come from blowing up the Great Sept and killing the High Sparrow, most of a religious peasant uprising made up of people tired of being trampled on by the nobility, and several prominent members of a powerful, wealthy noble house that was extremely popular with the smallfolk is just ignored. It's one of many times in the last few seasons that the internal logic of this world gets shafted for the sake of the plot.
@@Emy-fv5ny you were right about what? you’re literally wrong because cersei hated and would’ve hated maergaery any way she acted, if you don’t understand that, you don’t understand the character.
@@Shaannooonn Wrong. At 4:31 is the scene where Cersei offered an "olive branch" to her, which she responded by mocking her. Contrary to you, Cersei never bought her bs. Also, calm down, if not like your whole life depend on proving a point of a show that is so over.
