Having a character just showing up give such an "OH SHIT" response is so good. Reminded me of the drastic shift in tone after the Lich showed up in Fionna and Cake
Anissa seems like a reasonable person for a Viltrumite. There definitely isn't something that's going to happen in the future that will change our entire perspective of her.
@@gon720 hope they don't. It's both important to the characters, especially Anissa's story and important to real life, to show representation of people who have suffered that
I really appreciate all the fans who spoiled that scene for me unprovoked, there’s obviously something about this woman and that keeps certain fans from being unable to keep their mouths shut💀
The comic con scene really showed why Amber doesn't work. The audience are superhero fans, the world is run by super hero shenanigans. Amber isn't just an outsider to the hero world Mark lives in, shes placed as an outsider to the audience and their desire for heros.
I think her character represents how supers inadvertently make the people who love them suffer and how as much as Mark wants to, he can't have a normal relationship with a human girl. It always ends in tears. Look at his Mom and Red Rush's wife.
Devil’s advocate here, my theory on why they were building up Amber and Mark isn’t to drag it on for the plot, but to show how right the endgame is supposed to be when Mark and Eve finally get together. To compare the two and show the audience the right place and right time for them after we’ve seen their struggles with their previous relationships
Dude It's FULL of moments that show how Amber has her own life. We are following Mark POV so we see few of those moments, but they are there since they got to college. She has friends to go out with, her grandpa died, ecc...
@@anaricalday5480except this season has focused on them a big chunk of the time and I still didn't get anything from her. She is submissive and boring and even though these past episodes again focused like half the episode on her and Mark I didn't get anything new on her. That's my problem if they wanted to include her in the story so bad then they could have made a mini arc for her about anything.
But that’s the thing, they’re small glimpses. I think they should’ve had a lot more amber scenes so we can see how amber’s grappling with the things going on in her life, then when mark comes back, they’re all pushed to the side. Maybe show scenes where she’s talking to eve, william, and college friends so that you’re hoping for a scene where mark comforts her, just for it not to happen. You’d see how her life matters too and her lines when breaking up would hit harder
Yaaah I’d say your feelings on season 1 Amber absolutely kept you from appreciating her this season. This is not a long show, but they have some efficient small scenes with Amber’s life at college. Obviously they toned her down a bit, but it honestly just fits with the characters trying to make their relationship work by sacrificing parts of themselves. Knowing Eve and Mark are endgame is not reason enough to be annoyed by the young boy having a girlfriend that he genuinely loves and tries everything to make their relationship work, dragging it towards it’s inevitable conclusion. It’s real. It’s not a race to the final love interest.
I get you hate the relationship, but the show did a good job with them breaking up and I personally liked them actually having some alone time. They aren't just going to break them up for no reason. They needed to build it up so it actually makes more sense. I love how the show also gives you Debbie's pov to showcase that it's not just Amber that had to go through the struggles of dating a superhero.
It’s more annoying because they shouldn’t have gotten back together at the end of season 1. They ALREADY built to a break up, I don’t want to watch it happen again.
9:39 Although not at the same scale, I think this is what it would be like to date a firefighter or doctor, called away at random moments to help save their patients or douse fires. It's definitely hard to be in that kind of relationship for both sides so I can see why Amber and Mark decided to end it.
I must say, I really am more impressed by how they changed Anissa's introduction within the show compared to the comic book, as she leaves more of an impact of non comic readers without the context on who she is or what she can do in the future, and might actually make them think "oh no, should we worry about her presence later on". In the comic book, she just kind of showed up randomly and was like "ayo, come with me or I'll kill your mother or whatever" and Mark reacts more with annoyance, as if she was barely an inconvenience for him to deal with. She never laid a hand on his mother, never threatened anyone else's lives aside from hers, and even apologizes for threatening her to begin with, she was far from a threat and you can tell that despite being a viltramite, she felt more like a mere lackey following orders and didn't care too much about her orders at the same time. Really was nowhere as near as impactful. In the show however! She is absolutely terrifying! The way Mark's expressions from calm and even happy shift to confusion and soon concern upon seeing the viltramite attire, before he and Amber's becoming terrified on different levels throughout, the expressions feel...REAL for the given situation, and how Amber's becomes this scared for her life in complete terror upon feeling her hand against her neck, later describing it as iron! So good! How we're not even shown Anissa's face, only revealed upon her saying her own name. And the way she does all of this, threatening Amber's life as she holds her neck, threatening everyone else around them, and how she's doing it all so calmly and yet so intimidatingly makes this interaction even more scary. She's aware of what she is doing here, and she doesn't care, so long as she gets her way, giving her the results she wants, and by the way, she is definitely nonapologetic about it here. It makes even the audience terrified of her with she could be capable of from this scene alone. I already like the changes made to Anissa here, which does give me an idea of the seriousness of everything else that follows after this scene. As soon as she left, there was finally room to breathe and for Mark to comfort Amber, despite being completely freaked out himself. And yeah, that scene makes the breakup set in stone as a catalyze for why this particular relationship cannot work, even if there is so much love between the two. Damn Anissa... Also, to the comic book readers... STOP SPOILING IT! WE GET IT, JUST DON'T SPOIL IT FOR SHOW VIEWERS, IT RUINS THE EXPERIENCE! I wanna see their reactions if it does happen in the show. Just...stop spoiling it, please.
Literally just got spoiled with the who the final villain is and what happens to one of my favourite characters by reading the comments. Dude wasn't even pretending to be descreet. Just said it plain and clearly like they were enjoying ruining the experience for strangers on the internet, then had the cheek to say "it's OK, it's the journey that matters". Utter bastard 😡
I think the change is Amber makes sense in a Watsonian way tho. And that their relationship did matter as more than a story device. I read between the lines a bit that Amber felt awful for pushing Mark away just for doing the greater good. I think she realized after his dad kicked his ass why he hid everything from her at first. He has a dangerous job, and didn’t want her to worry about him. So she pulled back after they came together again. But she pulled back so much she lost her own agency on her own. She wants Mark to do the greater good because those are her own personal values. But for Mark to do the greater good, she has to lose her agency. Just like Debbie did. It took a minute to click, because she did choose to pull back on her own. Isn’t that agency? But at the end of the day if you can’t be your truest self with your partner it’s not a relationship. So they broke up.
Great way of explaining it. I get people hated Amber but she was decent this season. I feel like people are still angry for what she said last season and are letting it control their feelings for her
@@micah459 Even they don’t hold resentment to her from last season, I worry that people expect stagnation out of her. But this show has so many growing characters. Idk why Amber becoming a bit more down to Earth is a loss of personality. I liked assertive Amber too! But they’re the same Amber at different stages of life.
@ahmshouse555 exactly. I also find it funny because Amber literally explains why she isn't as aggressive as before when she was talking to Eve. She didn't want to feel like the bad guy for getting angry. Like did that just fly over people's heads? Also, people do realize that as you get older, you start to chill out more right? It's becoming an adult
Yeah, I don't see any problem with how they've handled Amber this season. I choose to believe that Amber was lying when she said that she knew all along because she wanted to hurt Invincible for making her feel stupid and selfish and everything I've seen so far of their relationship seems to corroborate my headcanon. One problem that I think the fans and chorus seem to have is that the show spends a lot of time on something that they don't personally care about because it's something they've seen too many times in other shows and therefore feels stale and predictable to them. Which is a fair reason to not like it but seems to be a matter of personal taste rather than a real flaw on the show's part.
So this doesn't relate to anything...But why does Mark even bother with the lenses on his costume? Like they seem to get shattered in almost every single battle he has.
He says in season 1 they keep the wind and bugs out of his eyes. Aside from that it's a really clever trick to show when mark is out of his depth. You never worry about Mark if his lenses aren't broken.
@@kyordannydelvalle523 In this video: “The one spoiler that shows up in every one of my Invincible comment sections in regards to Anissa…” I’m pretty sure the man knows.
I actually don't mind the Mark-Amber drama. I think the main problem is that people just ship Mark and Eve so they don't look and see that these two people loved each other, It makes complete sense that they would try to fight for the relationship to continue.
Compared to the comics this show handles Amber very well, she's her own person, I think a lot of hate is transferring from season 1, as in season 2 she's actually a very good character. Stop blindly hating her because she wasn't written well the previous season
Amber in the comics was like the perfect gf. Like too perfect. Every man’s dream. The show amber has her own flaws lol. Flaws people would hate her to the core for
It's harsh to blame the writing for handling Amber the way they have just because U personally know what's coming because u have read ahead and seen the comics etc etc.
@@acemaison2834 i think it wasnt. Mark says either viltrum needs him or they don’t and him blacking out was from her thinking they don’t and then remembering they do
While I disagree with take about the breakup (I thought it was really well done and was completely satisfied with it) I do agree they did Amber dirty. They had a clear vision on what she was gonna be for the adaptation, and it was a good vision, but they fucked up the twist with her so bad that they had to walk it all back as much as they could do people wouldn't hate her as much. Something I noticed (that could literally just be me crazy/blind) is that they even made Amber's skin lighter in the 2nd season. Which was annoying, cause she was my skin color in the first and it felt like they lightened her up as part of the walk back.
Oh dang. I just compared some shots and dang she is lighter. Or maybe the two shots I compared didn't help. idk. Why would the writers or the art team do that tho? Were the writers that scared of people who "hated" Amber in season 1? I found the hate in season 1 a bit unwarranted. I liked the breakup scene too, it felt like Mark giving up on Amber made him have to give up a normal life even more. He can't go to college like a kid his age. Earlier in this episode he even mentioned how he could get a salary for what he does.
@@Firehazerd5444 I think it’s a colorist thing. Lots of people are put off by darker skin, but light/caramel skin is more appealing. But I could be overthinking it. The hate was definitely unwarranted but it was a combination of valid criticisms, comic purists, and anti-SJW BS that made the whole thing a $,hit-show
I’m Black, and I was darker in high school bc I spent more time outside in the sun like walking home for example. But after I graduated and got a car and work inside all day I’m like 3 shades lighter so Amber getting lighter is actually realistic for me.
@@demarcomixon My skins never really changed that drastically, but I never really take note, and stay mostly indoors. I don’t buy them doing that for Amber though, season 2 takes place before they graduate, around a month after season 1. I doubt her life changed so drastically that her skin changed to that degree that fast.
(Obligatory re-comment) Ok, maybe it's because I binged those 7 episodes this week but honestly, the Mark and Amber moments did not really bother me. Hell, this season actually made me like Amber (to a point, she is still nowhere near my favorite character). Also, I give the series credit. This is probably the most well handled break up in a superhero show.
For as annoying and irritating their relationship was in Season 1, I actually like Mark and Amber’s “relationship” in Season 2. It did actually did hurt watching them come to the conclusion the audience had already figured out.
I havent seen the the comics so for me seeing Mark and Ambers relationship was good handled. You base your criticism on YOU knowing, not everybody is in that boat
As someone who read the comments, I do not compare the relationship cause they gave this Amber more personality. But they did mess her up with the dialogue in s1 THEN over corrected her character in response to the criticism so now she feels like a character who only exists to tell Mark she’s lonely. I wish they kept her character the same.
I myself don't mind doomed romances that are going to fail so long as it's done in a way that explores both characters' perspectives on their relationship with them wanting to make it work due to genuinely loving each other but just can't. A good exanple that comes to mind is Danny and Valerie relationship from Danny Phantom though I would that it was done better her in Invinicble due to more focus on the doomed relationship
I feel like your thoughts on Amber are kinda poorly written. A lot of the problems you point out kinda just boil down to "we don't see enough of their relationship develop" but at the same time your entire tone is "I don't want to see any of Amber". So I think that bias is really affecting how you perceive the relationship. For example, for as much as you are saying Mark and Eve are the end game, half of the complaints you made about Mark and Amber can be applied to Mark and Eve too, as they really don't interact that often outside moments where the showrunners frame them as teased couple in the future.
I disagree, I think the issue is that he doesn't like amber as a character, which is valid. But also if they want to make her work than they need to show more of her
Eve and Mark are really overatted . People are so focus with this even if the 2 characters have litteraly not a great chemistry and aren't even great friend at all
Did you just want mark and amber to just breakup suddenly halfway through the season or episode? I think you just hate amber from season 1, this season handled her pretty well, and you seem to consistently hate her every appearance, but i think their breakup was done well, I do think their relationship was kind of long and dragged out but you seem to disproportionately hate it.
I know exactly what you talking about with getting spoiled on Anissas stuff. Its pretty obvious whats gonna happen with her when EVERY single commenter on every video with Anissa in it hits you with the(spoilers) "I likes ya, and I wants ya" meme from the Boondocks
you know why, because she is a woman. heck, they even accepted Omnimans supposed "redemption" or whatever the writers were hoping to achieve in episode 4, but they draw the line at Amber.
Gonna reword my original comment a bit: As much as I thought the break up was absolute slog, I loved the moment it happened, and the performance of Zazie Beetz. They more and then some to work with, and deserves the accolades. If Anissa had a last name, Trouble would be it.
One thing I think your forgot to mention about Amber IS how traumatising being on the verge of death like that, she said she felt Anissa could have killed her right there and then, honestly the fact that she even CONSIDERS being in Mark's vicinity After that IS crazy because I would have cut all contact and laid in my bed for 2 weeks 😭😭
Ok, so, because of how everyone in the comments was talking about of how Anissa should stay away from Mark, my curiosity was picked and I went to see what she does in the comics for everyone to be so hostile against her. I was starting to like the character and hoping for a kind of arc where she learns the value of freedom. Now I want to see her go through hell. Whatever they did to Donald could forget, I want that for myself
as a person who had to break up with someone while both of us still loved each other, the break up scene was pretty damn realistic. other than that, the relationship stunk for the rest of the season
I liked seeing Rex trying to get back into the game. I loved how clear it was that he's doing this by himself just to prove to himself he is still good. he can do this. It's great character work.
Look I like Mark and Amber, I like Even and him more but I think Maber and Mark are cute they’re fine, they had to break them up eventually and they did it the best way they could with what they had. But I am so happy about their break up because I won’t have to hear people constantly comparing this storyline to the rest of invincible, people can finally stop complaining about Amber thank god.
13:56 That's not the message the show was trying to tell though? Its not about how being with mark makes everything about him and Amber wants to live her own life. Its about how Amber isn't allowed to feel upset about mark leaving since he's a superhero and how that ends up creating a toxic relationship, even if Mark leaves for noble causes.
Yes, they got a copyright strike and had to re-upload. Leave a like though, because the content remained amazing and the algorithm is mean to situations like this
I wonder whether what they're doing with Amber is building towards when Mark inevitably ends up with Eve. I think that getting them back together will lead to a greater sense of closure for the relationship. It's easy to be against Amber and Mark while watching it and feeling impatient for them to split up, but also I think this feels authentic to what one's first love often ends up like; they're never going to last, but this will change how Mark sees relationships going forwards. I agree though, that in trying to subvert the trope, they're actually perpetuating it more. I'd really like if we get to see Amber as a friend at some point, after they've both recovered from the break-up, as well as reconnecting with William (which he understandably hasn't had much time for this season.). I also think that this drawn out ending means Mark will be more likely to go into a relationship with Eve thinking "everything will be fine and simple here, because we're both superheroes", and some of the tension will be in acknowledging that there are still complications, even if they're different to what he and Amber faced. If Mark and Eve are end game, I want to see some development to make that feel earned and satisfying, rather than just feeling inevitable. As an example, I liked how The Owl House depicted complications in Luz and Amity's relationship - there was conflict and growth without there being drama, and we got to see how they functioned in a relationship.
btw ambers character only really functions for the point they're making here in the comics and doesn't have pretty much any development past that this feels like they've fumbled their way through walking back how amber was handled in season 1
2:21 Rex has his ammo around the belt (the one that he already used up) 2:23 Rex has no ammo in the scene. The pose was used from some other shot most likely, fits nicely with taking shortcuts XD
There are many aspects of this relationship that are relatable. I know that feeling of lashing out at a partner because they are withholding information from me, and acting irrationally due to saving face. I also know that walking on eggshells feeling with that person after lashing out. That part resonates, and I appreciate the show portraying that. I also appreciate that the show is portraying emotional collateral damage and not just literal collateral. What I do find perplexing is that the show could have done something with it, to give Amber a more active role to at least pretend power scaling doesn't exist in this show: It's cliche, but maybe have her work with Art or decide to change her major to counseling so she can help Mark in the long run. I absolutely agree that the writers don't know what to do with her character because of the catch 22 situation of her being criticized no matter how she is portrayed. I really do hope that, if they keep her in the show, that they put her on a journey of self-discovery. And please press fast forward on any love triangle stuff that happens following this breakup
I really did not like Amber in the first season, but I feel they did a good job this season making her feel like a person with her own life. I love how they dealt with the complications of a super hero life versus an every day person's life. They admittedly did use Amber as the catalyst for Mark's turmoil in the season of who he is and what does he want, but I feel this could've been written so much worse.
I'm VERY happy the series didn't fumble Anissa by making her older than she was in the comics, despite how controversial her character is for "certain things" that happen in the comics I do hope they continue to handle her well!
Despite the insipid hatedom going on in with these genocide apologist "fans" I feel bad that Mark and Amber broke up. Amber put up with a lot for two seasons, Mark started turning around in season 2, even Eve put in alot of effort to keep together but this breakup was necessary. I'm just glad it wasn't for a tired reason like Amber falling for someone else because Mark made her feel lonely.
Ik im in the minority here bu i liked all Amber x Mark scenes and the break-up was so well done 😢. That's how 2 ppl that still have affection for each other end things!Also, finally you could (re)upload the videos, i couldn't watch the first time, goddam Amazon. PS: Ok, i partially agree with your criticisms. They could've shown more of Ambers life outside Mark.
As Amber had her whine-a-thon in the end... I mean FFS... could you please, please, PLEASE finish this relationship and get her out of here. What insufferable drudgery. Complaints very much deserved as that scene was yet again too much of what's just not entertaining. If that's the reaction they wanted from the audience they are lacking in their abilities. If that's not the reaction they wanted from the audience they are again lacking in their abilities. Having not seen any views on Amber as I only watched the show these last days I can only imagine the reactions to Amber tend to be fairly universal and legitimate responses to her portrayal.
I have to say the post-credit scene has me really excited for what's coming next! It'll be interesting to see what Allen will do while imprisoned by the Viltrumites and whom he'll meet.
I think what I didn't like about the big amber monologue is not what's being said, but how it's said. And I mean, she just went through a near death experience, so maybe that can excuse it, but it still got to me and made it feel less meaningful. What I mean is, everything Amber is upset about, all the problems she faces, it's all valid. What I don't think *is* valid, is where she directs it. She says how she feels like a jerk to be upset about these things, cause Mark is going out and saving people. But I don't think that's inherently being a jerk, what I *do* think is being a jerk, is directing it at Mark. She should be upset, that much is true, but it feels like she should be more upset at the situation rather than the person. I think that's what the show was trying to go for, but it always felt like she was upset *at* Mark, which I do think is unfair. I don't think it makes her a bad person by any means, she's only human after all, but it's still a flaw, and one that's infuriating to watch, however realistic of a flaw it is. Then, when we get to the monologue, these problems increase tenfold. She goes on this tirade about all the problems she has to face and how she matters, even though she's not out there doing superhero stuff, even though she's just one of billions of people on earth, she matters. This in of itself is not a bad sentiment, she's not wrong. But the problem I had was that it was all, or at least sounded like, a lecture. To Mark. Who've we've already seen in so many scenes already completely understanding all these things, and doing his best for her, even managing to score a day off of superhero biz. He already knows everything she's saying, and he's been breaking his back trying to find solutions to the problem. By lecturing Mark like this, even though I don't think this was the intention, it looks a lot like she's blaming Mark for the problems, that it's his fault. When we all know it's not. And the biggest problem I have with the monologue, is that it's ALL about Amber's problems. Yes, she has problems, and they're valid. But what about Mark? He has to juggle being a superhero with spending time with this person he loves so much, and he too feels like a jerk when he has to go out and do his job and save people. He knows its what right, and that people need him, but he still feels so bad that he has to do it to Amber. Then amidst that, with his superhero work, he goes through all these traumatic near death experiences, time and time again, Amber is not the only one going through it. Yes, throughout the second season she supports him, but that's only shown through what... a hug every once in a while? Then we finally get them being able to talk to each other, a chance for both of them to realize the problems on both sides of the relationship... and we only get Amber's.
"what about Mark" Amber straight up says it's worse that her life is used as a weapon against Mark and it's unfair for him and she emphasizes how scary it all is for the both of them
@@misterscorpius1446 A passing comment is nothing compared to the entire monologue she goes on is my point. I'm not saying there's nothing there, I'm saying that as a whole, the monologue highlights Amber's problems, and Mark's problems are pretty much shoved to the backburner. Her being used as a weapon is one very small problem that Mark faces in the relationship. But it's just one sentence in a monologue. It's still heavily about Amber. Which would be fine, if Mark had his own talking about his own problems, but he didn't, which makes sense since he himself cares more about Amber's problems anyway, but that still fuels the point. Again, it's less of a conversation and more of a lecture.
@@misterscorpius1446 It just kind of feels like a cheap way for them to be able to *say* she put Mark's feelings into account, when they could have just written it better, or at least had better set up for it. Or even, not have had it at all. I think if they both just sort of silently realized together that despite the fact that they both clearly love each other, it's not good for either of them to stay together, then even that would feel better.
People defending Anissa...It's Sasuke and Riku all over again ! All it takes is a pretty face, a cold attitude, claiming it's for the greater good, and suddenly, all the abuse is forgiven. Personally, I was never a victim of abuse and I put a stop to my bullying before it got out of hand. But I still won't tolerate gaslighters ! Shame on all who do !
There had better be more Amber after this. What I want _desperately_ is some Amber and Eve friendship. The girls share a bunch of humanitarian aspirations and Eve desperately needs a grounded person like Amber who isn't bothered by her powers the way previous civvie friends have dumped her. The scene they had together, even though it was just about Mark, showed how caring and alturistic they both are. Eve is pining for Mark, but gives Amber good relationship advice and Amber is struggling with dating Mark because she cares so much. I want more of them together over something that isn't just about Mark.
14:00 To be fair I think that is in great part because the seasons are only 8 episodes long, so they don't have much time and Amber would have to be a secondary worry compared to the Viltrumites, Mark being a super heroe, What happens with Allan and the Coallition and the other villians.
I'm too pissed with the way this Amber turned out and although it's annoying probably having a half-butched arch of a character is still better than no arch like comic Amber
They were just reacting to the criticisms of Amber from the first season. She didn't come across as some complex character that had shit going on, she just came across as a bitch. She figured out Mark was a hero but kept riding him for lying to her rather than realising that sharing a secret as big as that probably isn't something you'd expect from someone you've been dating all of a month. They meant for her to come across as that whole, complete person, but she didn't, she just soured everyone to her. They 180 that in this season, which was just as annoying. And culminating it in that speech about how she can't be a complete character when she's with Mark makes it doubly annoying. Honestly, they already had a better version of that story with Debbie dealing with the Nolan aftermath. Amber is the biggest drain on the series and has been since season 1. If they just cut her character out entirely from this point on we'll be better for it. Especially because you're right about how obvious the Eve relationship is, even if you haven't read the comics. they could have spent this season just building that up, because there's big events that should start happening right about now that fully rely on Mark's attachment to Eve for the emotional beats to land. The change to Anissa is also tough to quantify. It was one of the most controversial things that happened in the comics, but it was also kind of important. And honestly it would be interesting to comment on that dynamic in the current social climate. As much as progress has been made with regards to taking events like that seriously, how many beloved mainstream male characters can you point to that have a traumatic SA event with a woman that isn't treated as a joke? The sparse times something like that happened to a protagonist who's supposed to be empowered, it's almost always done to them as a child and almost always by male characters. Think Guts from Berserk. Some people said it was done for shock value, which I don't think is a valid criticism. Sometimes the shock of something is valuable. Especially for a topic that is almost never talked about, let along taken seriously.
Hot take: Annisa is really the most “reasonable” Viltrumite WE HAVE SEEN, bc she literally said 2-3 times that she wanted to TALK FIRST before kicking Mark’s ass and she does AT LEAST give Mark a chance to show her that Viltrumites aren’t needed on Earth again she GAVE HIM A CHANCE, plus she also helped stop the WORST part about Invincible which was Mark and Amber’s relationship
She wanted to talk first yet the first thing she does is hold his girlfriend captive as a threat to kill her? The reason the Empire sent Anissa because she is a messenger is because she is a woman wanted Mark to think with his dick.
So, Amber's character arc became an "Endless 8" situation. For reference "Endless 8" was a series of 8 episodes of the second season of "The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya". So, spoilers for that. Endless 8 depicts a summer vacation. The same summer vacation. 8 times. For 8 episodes. They didn't half ass it either. Different animation every time. The characters were even wearing different clothes each time. Basically, our main characters were stuck in a time loop, and they didn't know it until like the 6th or 7th one. So, why did the show runners do it? Because it turns out, one of these characters knew. They didn't cause it, but they knew and they are not allowed to stop it even IF they know how. They are supposed to just observe what was going on. Also, this time loop has been repeating for like thousands of years or some ridiculous time frame. So the frustration the audience was feeling, this character was feeling it way worse. Which motivated them to do something in later, even when they were not allowed to. Amber's character traits disappearing at season 2 may have been intentional to show how being Mark's girlfriend did to her. They probably should have shown a montage of what she was like before season 2 while she was giving that speech or something.
Ngl, the biggest problem I had with that moment where Anissa shows up is that I wasn't scared in the "Oh no don't kill amber I like her" way, I was scared in the "Oh no don't kill amber, that'd make it take even longer for Mark to get with Eve next season because he'll be busy grieving". That is a major failure in character writing.
Mark and Amber's break up is far better here where if they decide to stay together Amber will always be in trouble and very mature of mark to even acknowledge that things won't be better just like how Anissa was going to kill Amber due to mark he cant guarantee her safety all the time and thus for the both of them they break up for the better whereas in the comics both of them just cheated on each other . This is one of those moments where the show was better than the source material.
@@Kryptic_Karma I thought her characterization was not great in Season 1. But the writers did a great job redeemer her this season. The problem is that many people have just decided she permanently sucks. If people can accept Rexplode’s redemption arc, I don’t understand why they can’t accept Amber’s.
IDK. I feel they made Amber way less insufferable than the 1'st season. She's a way to examine why its hard for heroes to date the layman. The entire episode is about agency and making choices, and Mark needed to make a choice with Amber because of Anissa, while Amber feels like shes robbed of agency in the relationship, the same way Donald and Willlam's BF feel like they have no agency.. It makes narrative sense.
Mark and Amber might seem weird in the show because she wasn't originally such a big focus. In the comics she was closer to a background character. Mark was pretty much just like "oh yeah I have a gf now" and introduced her. She didn't have such a big personality either, their big argument in the comics was she thought he was a drug dealer is the cause of him disappearing and getting injured.
Tbh i think it would have be interesting to see amber be angry/upset about the situation, but instead of expressing it to mark she ends up expressing it in more unhealthy ways. Also there really should have been a bigger emphasis placed on her fear of being demonized, maybe to the point of having a kind of savior complex because the whole time i was kind of wondering "why does she continue to be with mark at this point"
my problem with mark and amber is every scene thats about their relationship is basically the characters just saying "I feel this way yada yada" despite the show already conveying that without having them just say it to the camera.
I really liked Amber this season. Not only did they listen to the fans, they also actually gave room for her to grieve, feel bad, lonely & try to build a life in which she can be her own person. I was actually so happy to see their cute date, and their break up broke my heart. It was nice to see her move on through Mark's eyes. I don't agree with you that she "lost her agency", quite the contrary. Instead of being a stereotypical "boss b" she's an actual human being. You kinda left away the parts in which it is shown how college life affects her: she fails tests, goes to lectures in her pajamas, having friends & having aspirations to move up the student council ladder. To me Amber felt MUCH more real than the brat she was in in season 1.
Only one comment called me out for comparing Riku with Anissa. I guess more people agree with my view on him and Sasuke than I originally believed. That's good to know.
The show really kinda wrote themselves into a corner with Amber. If she stayed how she was in season 1, you risk people still absolutely hating her. If that happens then people no longer care about their breakup. However if you change her to try and make a more impactful breakup, you strip her of all the agency she had and people also don’t care about the breakup. AKA there was never gonna be a satisfying conclusion to this relationship. There wasn’t enough time in this 8 episode season to give it the attention it deserved, and give Amber the conclusion she deserved.
