@@boonebeasley9622 u do realize lebum wasn’t making the playoffs in LA until ad a top 5 player came and saved him 🤡 jordan didn’t have no AD on the wizards 🤡🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
@user-lt1fx2he5s Gil is 41 years old.. a lot of the stuff he's wrong about he has no business being wrong about. He act like he was born in 98 or sumn lmao
I just saw Gilbert's BS take. Everything Gil says about MJ is a lie. 😒 He also said that MJ wasn't criticized for not winning the first 6 years, when I remember the media saying MJ couldn't win without a big man and compared him to Mitch Richmond.
Wasn't Jordan the biggest pick up when joining the Wizards? Didn't they go from bottom of the league in defense in the previous year to as high as #3 in defense when he was playing before his injury?? Jordan was handling business on defense
Yup, MJ got injured right before the All Star break where they were 26-21 then went 11-24. Like you said, their biggest dip was in their defense based on their splits despite a surprise up tick in shooting efficiency (which could just be attributed to shooting less 3 point duds). Interesting enough, the next year splits saw a similar trend where they performed better pre-All Stars and dropped off after.
@@shamwaw336so they were on course to make the playoffs before the injury. And that wasnt exactly a good team mind you. Compare that to Lakers last season who missed the playoffs while James was playing. Yes AD was out a lot, but he had a guy who just came off a 22-11-11 season and played nearly every games. I dont think they have excuses for James, if he played so great, that they dont even make the play in game. The reason is obvious, "cheating" the game on the deffensive end for his offensive numbers. The literal opposite of a Bill Russell, who will score 2 points if it means a W, while James would prefer a 30pt triple double in a L
Jordan joined the Wizards because they were a new team and he was promised an Ownership interest in the team. He was there just to promote the team. I don't know why this FACT is never brought up. The owner double crossed him. Later he would get an ownership interest in the Hornets. He was not there to try to win a championship. He never would have played if it were not for that.
MJ played for Wizards not for Lakers or Celtics at the end of career! Bron played only for superteams after Clevland! MJ with Lakers after 98 Bulls breakup!? At least 4 rings with Shaq & Kobe!
@@munoken what kills me is how ppl refuse to acknowledge is that your body responds differently depending on the circumstances. Lebron's been playing non-stop for the last 20 years.....If he had taken off 3 years like MJ did, from 35 to 37, and then returned to the NBA, there's no WAY that he'd be performing at the same level....without outside "help"....Hell, when MJ took off almost 2 years in his Prime and returned there was a noticeable dip - even after he got in Basketball shape...if you take "rest" in your mid-30s and after, your body will NOT snap back automatically....and when it does recover...it is not the same....muscularly AND cardio wise.
@@Dinojong he played BBall for 1 3/4 seasons...he only played 17 games in the regular season when he returned... ...playing baseball does NOT prepare you for playing basketball...different muscles are being used, and there's practically NO cardio...and we're not even talking about the differences in timing yet...
MJ's competitiveness wouldn't allow him to take designer drugs and he'd play any minute if he could still move. On the other hand, Bron spends millions on PEDs and would force rest if he doesn't need to
XD Jordan just happened to rapidly go bald in his mid 20s, after he gained about 30 pounds of muscle, in 1.5 seasons, while having a shit diet, smoking cigars, being an insomniac and running all those miles playing basketball. Also playing all 82 games through any injury. He also played in the 80s and 90s which was the peak of PED use. There's more that suggests he did PEDs that not. Also theres more to peds that gaining muscle. There peds for stamina, recovery, etc. I'm sure it was his mentality lmao. Even his chin changed and grew more facial hair. Thats what you call intensity mentality
There was no preinjury time for MJ during his first WIzards season. He was playing with busted ribs from the jump. Ron Artest (now Metta) revealed in an interview years ago that he broke MJ's ribs in an offseason pick up game before the season by mistake. Ron felt terrible about it. MJ carried this injury into the season. Peace.
They can't win young MJ/Bron debate. They definitely can't win prime MJ/Bron debate. Now they are trying old MJ/Bron debate, one problem MJ it did clean. You youngsters aren't gonna remember Bron's trips to Germany for stem cells in the mid 2000's, I would bet everything I own that Bron is still doing stem cells as well as HGH, TRT and whatever new thing that we don't know about yet. Everything!
7:37 the great irony of this sequence is that while Agent Zero Sense is ranting about nonsense, this guy to his right is literally on his laptop where he could use three clicks to see Kareem was still very productive by 38 and still with back to back rings to be won! 🤣🤣. Maybe this is why more hoppers will remember/know more about a Robert Horry than him because the objective is to *win*
It's amazing that they continue to take shots at Jordan, his game. I'm surprised they don't go another direction because his time while playing in comparison to other players is unmatched. Plus, who in the NBA now is doing what Jordan or even Kobe did for the NBA. Absolutely no one, no one stands out, heck even Vince Carter stood out amongst great players. These players today can't even do that in a league that is soft. So what does that tell you? These arguments are foolish and absolutely ridiculous. Here's a nail in the coffin. Put Jordan in any era, and he dominates.
That wasn't a nail.... That was a fukkin RAIL ROAD SPIKE!!! I been saying FOR YEARS that you CANNOT compare ANYONE in the league today to MJ... NONE of them come close except Kobe. Another person made a HUGE point in this " GOAT race " between MJ and LBJ, bruh said sump'n along the lines of: If you are counting chips on who is GOAT between these two, here's the stat NOBODY talks about: Both went to the finals 6 times... Bron lost twice Jordan lost NONE....
Jordan didn’t join the Wizards to compete for a championship unlike LeBron and the Lakers. Also, we know LeBron is on PEDs why is it surprising he’s still playing at a high level 😂
Jordan too. Gained 30 pounds of muscle in 1.5 years, with a bad diet, smoking cigars, playing 82 games, running tons of cardio, bad sleep schedule, etc. This was also in the 80s/90s just before steroid use was blown up. Also balding like a mofo
Klutch media started that dumb narrative too, and of course LBJ groupies ran with it. They make it seem like MJ went to the Wizards to compete for a championship and had HOF/all-NBA talent around him so they trash him for losing so we can excuse LBJ from losing. When he actually lost as title favorites/contenders, unlike MJ lol.
@andrewcook1246 : There is still no evidence that Jordan used PEDS🤷🏿♂️. Jordan & Kobe both trained harder than most NBA players in History including Lebron.
Love your final point. Some people must not believe in holding themselves or their favorite players accountable, because they talk a big game of "LeBron's so amazing at age 38 and our Lakers are going to the Finals this year" then when they fail they say "What do you expect, he's old and [insert teammate names] didn't help enough!" They're not real fans. Real fans hold their teams accountable to win and call out problems when they see them.
Uh leClown is not running like he's 20 he's taking plays off and looks tired trailing behind. MJ was playing defense and was hurt there's a big difference and MJ actually has real skill, let alone just have a big body ramming through people and not getting called for an offensive foul and racking up turnovers like bron is. Smh
@@boonebeasley9622 that's what you dumb kids keep saying and it's not true Jordan was not guarding him the whole time when Jordan did get on him he slowed Kobe down. Kobe was being guarded by other players if you actually watch the game . Stop talking nonsense and repeating BS
Jordan also played As a small forward for those 2 years, according to basketball reference, I didn't play shooting guard I guess but either way he played 82 games and he was durable
Context... Teams flew commercial to games, teams practiced on the off days, no load management, flagrant fouls today were called as common fouls, if at all. Jordan also came into the Wizards off of having his ribs broken in the off-season. As he got into basketball shape he was averaging 27ppg in the twenty games prior to the knee injury. In the ten games before the injury he averaged 29ppg. The Wizards ran off a 15-1 win streak. So playing after the injury dropped his stats down to 25ppg for the session. We'll never know how good he would have been due to injury.
@@gabrielalele8603 saying he was playing with prime westbrook is absolutely ridiculous lmao. westbrook wasn't as bad as lakers fans made him out to be but he was nowhere NEAR prime westbrook.
@@gabrielalele8603 Prime AD shows up 1/2 gakes and is cinstantly injured prime Westbrook was 2017, not 2022. Comoaring the 20's Lakers to the 80s Lakers has got to be sacrilegious.
MJ's basketball era WAS SO DIFFERENT COMPARED to LbJ era. MJ went in to NBA where basketball is so physical and some other NBA stars was still existing those times- 80s- 90s.. but despite of the physicality kind of games that time, he was still able to produce positive ends of a ball game- even there was games with superb crucial situations. Flagrant and acting rules was not that available yet compared to LbJ's era. 2nd, MJ didn't had a situation of having a new team. The Bulls' player- regardless of player (newly draft picked or traded players) who comes where the management (with the Coach) gets, MJ played with them and teaches them. LbJ already had 3 teams to be with. Obviously he plays for the money offer and who he wants to play with. MJ gave a NEW DEFINITION of REALITY how basketball SHOULD BE PLAYED. That's the Main FACT.
Jordan was SF as a Wizard as he was obviously much heavier and slower, he would have matched with 3s. Bron is PF right now. Neither are as agile or athletic as their primes. Gil is full of it, Bron is still a floor running machine like Karl Malone was, but he isnt jumping and or as fast as his 20s..thats just a typical exaggeration you always get from those who are in Brons camp
The point is slower levron is still faster and more athletic than 95% of the league. Which is in itself an amazing feat. Of course hes not as fast but the drops off has been way less than anyone else
Arenas knows so little about the game & league that he played in. Yes, there are more scoring guards in today's league, but that's also because it's easier for guards to score today than in past. Also, Jordan played a lot of Forward in his Wizards days. He was also still effective defensively despite not making an All-Defense team. The Wizards were better defensively with him on the court than without & he occasionally took on the opposing team's best scorer in certain spots (Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, etc).
Mj got calls too the difference is MJ earned his status while lebrons entire career has been manufactured since the league wanted the next jordan so bad💯🤷🏿♂️
LeBron does have the benefit of being physically bigger, taller and he probably knew at some point longevity was the only argument he could make so he focused on that instead of rings...
@ShowtimeBBallOnTop no, you are wrong. Not always a second all star player in a team. The Wizards had no other all star players apart from MJ. You want more examples?
@@tchellovalente2373 MJ made Pip with his leadership which LBJ has none I'm sorry. LBJ needed to learn from DWade on how to lead a team to win. Without super teams, LBJ ain't cracking the top 10 all time
Mj did not make pip. The triangle allowed pip to flourish. Mj wanted to keep doug. He should be thanking Krause for what he saw for the Team he constructed.
but the 1 thing people dont think about wit mj and bron at that age. is mj sat out for a couple years. not saying he wasnt in shape, but its a big diff between running year after year. than sitting down for a couple years and trying to get back in basketball shape
your vids are always therapy bro, been following for a while and really appreciate the content you put out esp. with all these ridiculous narratives that are out there these days
If you compare Jordan's 03 stats to his 98 stats you will see he averaged more rebounds and more assists while shooting a higher percentage from 3 and the foul line. He lead the 03 Wizards in steals + assists which is an indication he was their best defensive player. He did shoot less than in 98 because he was the #2 option behind Stackhouse, but he actually had a much better season than Stackhouse. The year before Jordan was a bit rusty and did not have a great year, but his last year with the Wizards he was good.
Jordan joined the Wizards because they were a new team and he was promised an Ownership interest in the team. He was there just to promote the team. I don't know why this FACT is never brought up. The owner double crossed him. Later he would get an ownership interest in the Hornets. He was not there to try to win a championship. He never would have played if it were not for that.
How can Gilbert say LeBron can still play and run like hes 20, but then say we shouldnt expect anything from him cause hes 38? Like no, if you gonna imply he can play just as good as he can when he was young, then imma still have the same expectations from him. If hypothetically Jordan at 40 was still JORDAN and still played just as good as prime Jordan that we knew, i'd still have the same Jordan expectations from him.
People need to understand Gilbert Arena has to say what he is saying he is trying to leave the New Era of the NBA. If you really know Gilbert, he used to praise Jordan and the NBA before the 2000! trust nothing in media it’s all about money media personalities never give their true opinions
You can defend Jordan and his efforts in his last 2 seasons, you can defend Kareem at 38 having a great year of success. Just dont forget that Lebron at 38 played 21 years of the NBA. Those guys at that age played 13 seasons and 18 respectively, with the Playoffs included Lebron at this stage played way more. Yes technology is better, but this guy doesnt have the same milage as them
Jordan left at 34 and came back at 38. ArenASS gets yet another one wrong! ArenASS, Nick wrong , and Shannon “not so “sharp are being told to create this negative narrative about Jordan
Arenas definitely has personal issues with MJ. The game is different and has been since LBJ entered the league. This argument needs to stop. MJ adjusted his game as he got hurt older which hurt his super athleticism. Jordan scored 37ppg when teams were scoring 85pts.
All I know is I've seen only two RU-vidrs credit MJ for his efforts in turning the Wizards around defensively. Everyone else is just ignorant about it but let Lebron come to a team that was a bottom 3 team in the league defensively and turn them to a top 5-10 defense he would be considered an all defensive player. It's just like his first year with LA and how they were in 4th place by Christmas but ended up not making the playoffs because he missed 12 games from a "groin injury" Something he didn't need surgery on. 🙄I wish Jordan would've been able to come back to a team and recruit GP and KG. That would've been another 3peat
when people compare Jordan to LeBron at 38 years old, they forget that MICHAEL’s early playing years in the 80s and 90s / the contact of the game was brutal. That’s why his body did not hold up as well. as time goes on, we will see players last a lot longer because the contact of the game is a lot less 38 years old is impressive to still be playing but I have a feeling it won’t be that impressive in the next 20 years.
Real truth for the MJ haters... He played most of his NBA career a drunk gambler. Imagine if he had Lebrons nutritionist. Man abused his physical ability and still put up numbers.
Dominates on the break and at the basket, im saying he's a modern, leaner perimeter oriented Karl Malone, trading mid range post/face ups for the occasional 3s. Karl Malone could get near 5apg playing as a true Power Forward, get him leaner and working on his handle and let the offense run through him and now he's easily getting 3more apg. He's still rebounding, still dominating the fast break(best floor running PF ever, Bron best floor running SF). Hes still strong and bullying his way downhill at the basket-only now there's rarely true HOF C's camping the paint and he's being defended by Small Forwards instead of true Power Forwards most of the time. No, he wouldn't be as fast or have the verticality, that still separates the 2, but neither is lebron anywhere near as strong as Malone and Malone would rebound at a higher rate and had the softer shooting touch-reliable from FT and both had their come up small in crunch time genes. Both flop. Both stat machines. Both longevity freaks of nature. Karl was putting up better numbers than Jordan at 39 also. Became 2nd all time in points. No one cared. Make the league offense oriented where defenders can't defend-up the pace and possessions and now 39 year old Karl Malone likely putting up better numbers than his MVP seasons just like LeBron. No one actually believes LeBron is better now than his prime right? Bc thats what the numbers say. That's how badly unbalanced the NBA currently is to benefit offense vs when Malone and Jordan were old in the slowest era ever. LeBron in the 90s is a mix of Karl Malone and you could say Scottie or Clyde or Hill, but his aesthetic probably closer to Clyde. That's a HOFer and one of the greatest ever still, but it would still be Jordan on the mountain top.
People don't take into consideration that when MJ came out of retirement w/Wizards, he had been sitting for 2 years. So he was not in the same conditioning had he remained in the NBA instead of retiring.
Exactly bro, Lebron never retired and came back. If you take 3 years off at anything and come back, it’s going to take stone to get back where you once were.
I've been creating written content for about 5 years, more into developing copy & gettiing ppl into offers but I originally began doing this cause I've studied every player, from every team, in every season - with film on them via full game tape & I've watched the first couple minutes of your video & I don't disagree but was wondering why you don't point out two narratives (for context 😆) 1) MJ came back to the Wizards, from being a GM, because the Wizards were in danger of being relocated again. He came back to sell tickets, merch, etc, since the franchise is still in Washington, that alone makes what he did successful. 2) The 2nd thing worth noting, maybe you mention this further in the video but I might not get to it, Michael Jordan is the only basketball player to ever average 20+ ppg at 40+ years of age. He's also the only player to have a 40+ point game at 40+ too. I was just writing about this on Quora last week, pointing out mostly all players are retired before 40 & those that remain are usually big men. Regardless none have ever come close to 20 ppg.
I loved those two years he was back; he still was better than 90% of the league. For me, it was a gift of having to witness him once again... After so many years kind of hating the excellence of him.
Gilbert 'Never Filled Any' Arenas and the other Bron bootlickers are just mad, because all those players he mentioned(except for Larry Bird). Has more rings than Bron, as leaders of their respected teams. And they did it in less time.
there's always going to be myths about him, whether they're true or not...just talking about him in this day and age gets these so-called analysts notoriety
Basketball was so much better back then as far as the style of it,and the funny thing is that jordan way of playing on the wizards would probably be more deadly in today's game than his 80s style of play in today's game.
If you adjusted for pace and space and oh yeah let him join a superteam where he can share some of the offensive and defensive pressure like the rest of these players today then I believe that same 40 year old MJ could average at least 25, 6 and 5 on at least league average efficiency and nearly all league defense. Let's say if the Sixers got rid of Harden and added Wizards MJ, or if the Celtics swapped him out for Tatum even, they would be title favorites. As a matter of fact he'd have a shot at being the oldest finals MVP in NBA history. Bottom line the numbers he put up AT 40yrs old were Jimmy Butler/Paul George like. That was in the slowest paced era, and one of the most clogged and physical eras in NBA history while this era is one of the fastest, and the absolute MOST free moving era ever. He would easily be a top 10 player. Maybe even top 5 if he could stay healthy. Thanks UNCUT HOOPZ. You always deliver bro.
The one's Gilbert talk about at 38 probably had multiple injuries because the game was more fisical and the staff didn't have the knowledge that they have today about diet, traning and recovery.
MJ could've still played in the NBA @50 yo. He would have been upper mid-tier, not GOAT level but still a starting SG on most teams if you think about it. At 50, he would have had 'forced rest' (Popovich did the game a great dis-service with implementing that all those years ago, IMO), the lack of hockey style defense from opponents nowadays (Wilt & MJ forced the League to change the rules because of them, they were that good, remember), more roster rotation in-game, and the implementation of the review system & the newer flagrant foul rules... he would still be putting up starting SG numbers, making the franchise $$$, mentoring younger players (as he did with the Wizards), and bringing the MATURITY level up in the league post-50. I didn't say post-55 but he could've played another 3 or 4 years, just to prove that he could at that level. That would've ended ALL GOAT talk all-time BUT owner's of professional sport teams/clubs cannot be professional players also. "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop? The world may never know.".
If you were alive to watch those 90s bulls teams it was always an event. You knew you were gonna see mj on tv and he was gonna do some amazing things than you wake up for school throw your Jordan’s on with your bulls pullover starter jacket with the matching starter hat and you were lit…
Jordan in his 2002-2003 season was climbing back to true brilliance. I mean… he kind of already was doing it. He was 40. He was getting healthier. He was becoming more efficient. He was starting to get that team motivated and in shape. If he stayed one more year and stayed healthy, who knows what would have happened. He was competing with the best of the time and beating them in some stats and he was way way more impactful than the goofy, sloppy leflop at 39 who gets free and clear open lanes to the hole and shoots under 30% from mid. Gets given every call undeserved, flops around like a fish, gets handed stats like candy and literally doesn’t play defense. Doesn’t run. Doesn’t hustle. Just stands there like a dope waiting for his team to create a shot for him and leaves them playing 4 on 5 on D. He gets touted as still in the best in the league level and he is just not close. Jordan at 40 crushes old, lazy LeFlop.
They never bring up the fact that Bron has benefited from modern medicine & the ability to spend a million a yr on his body alone.. Kareem, Bird, Magic, MJ.. none of them had this luxury.. so Bron @38 is 1000% gonna look different than those guys @38.
Injury is HOW aging manifests itself. A player can't do what he might have used to do. Therefore their averages go down. The injury aren't context they ARE the story.
Mj and kobe are in a league on by themselves. LeBron should never be mentioned with them. LBJ isn't a killer like them. He's mister nice guy and doesn't want to take the last shot or guard the best player on opposing teams 😂
Agreed with a lot of what you said, but you got KAJ’s age 38 season wrong. It’s true he turned 38 during the 84-85 season, but that wasn’t until the playoffs started. The next year, he was 38 for the entire regular season. He avg’d 23.4 ppg, 6.1 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1.6 bpg, and had 56.4/76.5 % splits in 79 games. LAL lost in the WCF to Houston that year but that was still an impressive year.
Whoa! Whoa! The fact is Washington never put Jordan on the floor to relive his glory days. He was put on the team to mentor the likes of Arenas and Stackhouse and teach them to be winners in the league. To pin point it correctly, he should have been the Wizards versions of Udonis Haslem, but averaging 15 to 16 points a game. The point was learning to win, not maintaining a scoring standard. And Jordan's UNC years, Bulls years and Wizards years reveal that a team with him cannot win titles or playoff series without the right players sacrificing parts of their offensive game to make his offensive game look better. Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Grant and Harper all played harder on defense and sacrificed their offensive skills to accommodate his 24+ fg attempts a game. Had Washington had the same type of players willing to sacrifice for Michael like Bulls players did, they might have made it to the playoffs. Scottie Pippen's real beef with Jordan is that all he sacrificed in scoring, effort, pay and ego to keep the Bulls winning the narrative stills remains Jordan won six titles and the rest of the Bulls just watched and passed Michael the ball.
It’s wild to see how much Gil roots for LeBron, even though he punked Gil in the playoffs at the free throw line, Gil missed both free throws and they lost the game
Came back old after hella time off, limited role, tryna develop younger talent and give back, all in a tougher era of ball....still avg 24.6 with all around stats. Just another reason why hes the Goat.
Here's why the level of disrespect stuns me. Jordan at 40yrs old was averaging what most players half his age are doing today. And they're considered Superstars/All-Stars. I'm trying to wrap my head around why the league is allowing this to go on? It's because of #23 that the league reached international status. Wilt, Oscar, Jerry, Magic, Bird, Isiah, and on and on didn't accomplish that monumental feat that today's players are benefitting from. #RESPECT23
I hate how here guys act like they can’t see nothing. Lebron has missed 90 games total in last 3 seasons. He walks on defence plays when he wants to. If Jordan had that luxury he’d play well into his 40s easy.
taking a break and leaving for years then coming back at 38 vs not leaving the nba, not needing to get into shape and in softer league. Cant compare it. big difference.
One thing ya forget… Jordan retired first at 31 after his father died… Then retired at 36…. Then retired in his 40s in the wizards… Imagine if he never retired 😅
great video! Gilbert and majority of the "analysts" and "commentators" don't know sh!t about nba history, they barely watch the games they're being paid to comment on, that's why everyone believes lebron is carrying the lakers, when really he is just stat padding like he has been doing since 2015 to make it look like he actually did something, lakers literally made a comeback in the 3rd qt against the clippers with lebron on the BENCH and by the end of the 4th we have to go to overtime 😒, same thing happened last year, bron coincidentally gets the scoring record and tears something in his foot while we happened to be out of position for the playoffs, then magically turns to wolverine after the trade deadline when the team secured the 7th spot and the play-in smh we get swept in the conference finals after lebron chokes but he stat pads the first half of game 4 (30 pts) and it get labeled a "historical night" cuz he ended the game with 40, no mention of getting swept, or denied on the final shot cuz he has not go to moves besides clear out and run it up the middle
Yea the avg less points in the 90s because most of the stars was bigs, centers and power forwards. Guard play outside of Jordan was not too much to brag about, most shooting guards was 6’3 and wasn’t great athletes like we have now
