Michael Mosley's final walk on rocky terrain before death on Greek island 

Oh I bet he knew. The story doesn't make sense.

You're not sherlock Holmes lol. Life hits hard sometimes, get over it.

No he made the same mistake I did when I was 19. He left Pedi to get back to Symi Town which is a left turn in the middle of the horseshoe bit of town. But he didn't take this turn but walked around the horse shoe out of town. He was seen asking directions at a bus stop but he was probably told buses don't run in the afternoon as it is too hot. He reached the junction where the sign outside Pedi shows the route to Agia Marina. He took the left turn up the mountain thinking he could skirt the mountain and reach Symi town rather than having to turn back and retrace his steps back through Pedi. Remember he was already unwell when he left At Nikolaus beach at 1.30pm. He would have reached that sign about 2.15pm and reached the top of the mountain overlooking Agia Marina 2.30 or 2.45 latest. Look at his walking pace through Pedi. He walks quickly. But once at the top of the mountain I believe he tried to make his way for about half an hour to 45 mins to reach Symi Town over the mountain ridges. There is a window of 45 minutes to one hour of time missing. He was seen on CCTV leaving the marina at the end of Pedi at 2pm. So he should have reached Agia marina on the low route by 2.20 or 2.30 latest. But he didn't actually want to go to Agia marina but Symi town. He reaches a junction which says straight on Agia marina or there is a left path up the mountain which he thinks is a coastal route back to Symi town. When he realised it was going to take at least 3 hours and the heat from the rocks was overwhelming he turned back to reach the shade of Agia Marina. When I was 19, I reached Symi Town over the mountain route but it took 3 to 4 hours as it is arduous and slippy with shingle and shale track. I had a small bottle of water which I had already drank and I was completely burnt especially my arms and legs which blistered for days and exhausted by the time I arrived vowing never to go off without a nap and do a mountain walk again. I wasn't alone. I had a friend with me and we spurred each other on. My trainers were burnt on the soles due to the heat on the rocks and I could smell the soles burning and they kept sticking to other rocks as they burnt. I survived because I was young, very fit and had the company of a friend as we urged each other on. So he took what he thought was the route back to Symi Town when it's not. It is a long peninsular. He didn't have a phone so couldn't Google maps the route. He only arrived the night before and as he visited once 8 years prior felt he knew the island well. He should have had a phone, copious amounts of water and jelly babies. Jelly babies are pure sugar. He most likely didn't get the bus back as they have a siesta in the afternoon and don't always run. Similarly the taxis don't always run in the afternoon. The routes need to be better signposted for tourist with estimations of time and a map showing the way. Bus and boat timetables need updating. There wasn't a map at the junction where the route to Agia Marina. highlights a route up the mountain. When he expressed a feeling of being unwell at the beach one of his friends should have given him a phone although he was disinclined to use one. He had previously reversed type 2 Diabetes. That may have played a part but I don't think it did. I recall the 4 SAS men who died on Snowdon some years back while doing a fitness training in the mountains. It was a very hot day 32 but not nearly as hot as Greece. They died from heat exhaustion and dehydration. They were young fit men in their twenties and thirties. So to close, I don't think diabetes played any part. I think Michael was unwell and already suffering from heat exhaustion being on the beach all morning and when he left took the wrong turn, misjudged the route as I did and Mother Nature took no prisoners. May he rest in Peace and rise in Glory. The tragedy calls to mind the poem by W Shakespeare. The first and last lines are particularly resonant. (from Cymbeline) Fear no more the heat o’ the sun, Nor the furious winter’s rages; Thou thy worldly task hast done, Home art gone, and ta’en thy wages: Golden lads and girls all must, As chimney-sweepers, come to dust. Fear no more the frown o’ the great; Thou art past the tyrant’s stroke; Care no more to clothe and eat; To thee the reed is as the oak: The scepter, learning, physic, must All follow this, and come to dust. Fear no more the lightning flash, Nor the all-dreaded thunder stone; Fear not slander, censure rash; Thou hast finished joy and moan: All lovers young, all lovers must Consign to thee, and come to dust. No exorciser harm thee! Nor no witchcraft charm thee! Ghost unlaid forbear thee! Nothing ill come near thee! Quiet consummation have; And renownèd be thy grave!

@@courtneysquill8843 Appreciate your words. Some commenters are so mean, not very bright. He would NEVER have put himself in such danger, unless he was badly disorientated and frightened. 💐🧡🌿

@courtneysquill8843 Why not turn back to where his wife was then?

Kind of you to comment like this. I think the locals made every effort to find him🙏

Yes, this is what happened

I thought that too. Did he intend to catch a ferry from the beach bar or walk the entire way back? Maybe he really thought that was the path back to Symi and wasn’t aware of the road going eastwards? Somehow i doubt it. He wanted to be a bit more adventurous and totally underestimated the conditions. It is easily done. I know, i am a trekking guide. Best wishes to his family. Very sad. I enjoyed his programs.

Add correct warning road signs immediately! I hope the local government does the right thing. Don't let it happen again!

There has to some reason( was feeling unwell) why he walked in opposite direction to the way home.

Great piece of reporting and filming, done with dignity. Very moving.

Well said..we have lost a lovely inspirational man..RIP Michael

You have to consider every footstep, determine where to place it. That is an exhausting process to an already exhausted man.

@@charleswhite758 well said

Right. Your advice comes a little late for him, unfortunately.

​@aiglonducal314 not late for others though .

​@@samiUnderwood-il5xpIndeed. And I took it that you were astounded the learned doctor did not know this rule 👍

What on earth was he thinking of.

I agree with you, l feel so sad that Doctor Michael Mosley has died, so closets getting help, yet so far away 😢..... even writing this brings tears to my eyes.. my heart break for his wife and four children ..RIP Michael ❤ x

I feel the same, I can't get it out of my head what's happened. Every time I see his kind smiling face I can't hold back the tears.

Not the fence fault

I agree that fence should have a rear entrance. Especially as the mountain path comes directly behind the resort. He'd have made it then.

I think he passed shortly after he collapsed. If he just fainted or became unconscious he would have come to shortly after. I think his body and brain simply shut down once he stopped.

I have been waiting for this exact video. Well done Daily Express. Good reporting, explaining the situation

There was another path to the beach bar which skirts the coast. Its easier and he’d have made it. Don’t know why he decided to head up hill instead.

It is, he tried so hard.

​@@robcurrie1261Would he have known that though? I don't know in what way he wasn't feeling well, but he also took the wrong path, probably believing at first it was the right one back to the villa. I've felt light headed and shaky before on walks, and that's in cold weather in England, can't imagine how he must have felt trying to get down that steep rocky hill

@@robcurrie1261 because that wasn't his destination. Symi town was. He tried to make it over the scenic mountain rather than retracing his steps. He probably wanted to take photos of the island from the mountain.

Dude you haven't realised yet that the press are scumbags?😂😂😂

Not a pleasant walk in that terrain either, a very strange and tragic decision.

Absolute rubbish, he had not been walking for 2 hours.

You make him seem stupid. Honestly the daft comments on here are disgusting. He must have been in real distress.

@@anjou6497 You're wrong, when he collapsed it was two hours after he had set off from the beach.

But theyre still getting paid to fly around in their helicopters.

The police took 3 days to view the last video from Ayia Marina beach bar,,, given to them on Thurs morning ! Absolutely awful ! ,,, ( Symi resident )

@@suzanrashid3525 Is that actually true? Because the first day Thursday I heard the bar man say on interview. He never came through here. He never came through the bar. Surely he or his boss would have looked more closely at all the CCTV that day. I think they didn't notice him on the external CCTV till later. I think they knew he was dead on Friday. But it wouldn't have made any difference. He died on Wednesday. If he had just fainted or lost consciousness he would have got up and gone into the bar when he woke. Don't blame the police. They did their best. He was hidden in the shadow of the wall to shelter from the sun.

Honestly I can't even cope with a British summer think I'm adapted to the Artic region

I don't know about that more brits have explored the earth then any other folks on earth

No I remember I once went to Spain and it hit 40°… I burnt so badly and felt so sick. That was after 30 minutes. I don’t think a lot of white people realise how deadly the sun is for us.

They’re more suited being stuck inside a lettuce than the Greek summer heat.

@@shazanali692 possibly true but then the skin cancer rates in Australia also tell a story

He told them he was going back to the house which shouldn't have taken too long. He ended up on Agia Marina resort in the opposite direction. I agree they should have given him a phone though. But maybe none had one. He and his wife didn't have one. He was reducing screen time.

Yes for an intelligent man, I am surprised. In 40 degree heat, I wouldn't even step out of the house at 2 oclock in the afternoon. Nevermind going on a very long walk through rocky ground like that and with no phone to call for help. Crazy.

@@seanpaul3050 not only that, he said to family that he was feeling unwell before setting off.

​@@noahbrown2100He must have known he was dying and didn't want his family seeing him like that.

​@@seanpaul3050he's still human, still capable of making mistakes, he was ill, illness does funny things to people. Just look at clever people in history they all made mistakes.

@@Emberchariotabsolutely x

He had water with him and he had only planned to walk back to his accommodation but took a wrong path. This has been reported numerous times yet people still criticising him for 'going hiking' unprepared which was not his intention at all.

It was theoretically a 20 minute walk, and he took half a litre of water, which would have been plenty. Presumably he got lost, meaning he actually walked for more like 2.5 hours, and had nowhere near enough water.

He had freaking water, dolt.

@@AMC66765 At last! An intelligent comment and answer! Thank you!

CLOWN

Yes, brutal

Yes but that goddam fence stopped him in his tracks, it was too high to get over and he was trapped there behind it, otherwise he could have kept walking and made it into the resort and lived to tell the tale. Utter tragedy

@@user-hj6zz7ji2d If you watch videos of the first responders who took his body away on a stretcher, you can see that they just walk along the side of the fence down towards the beach and within a few yards they were on the beach next to the beach bar. So he could have made if he'd had the energy to keep on going, but it seems like he fainted/collapsed at that point and died there, which makes it so tragic, as you said... 😢

*Insight🤦‍♂

@@charleswhite758 Yes, you are correct, thanks 👍😊

@@c.marmion8430 Feel free to use the edit button👍

I won’t say here but I did something similar - looking back I cannot believe my idiocy but I guess to err is human - Dr Mosely was a decent down to earth gentleman- what a loss

Showy

Beats me.

Incredible history, beautiful beaches, clean warm waters. A birth place of western civilisation.

It’s absolutely stunning. Just because you’re miserable in your life, doesn’t mean you need to spread such negativity .

@@tomwilliam9810 So the past, sand and water? Wow sounds amazing!

This is deliberate sensationalism.

Terrible harsh terrain

What activities indeed? Out of sight of the missus?

Yes something does not make sense.

The wife's behaviour, her seeing him off on his own, unwell, then failing to get help for 6 hours, is beyond most people's critical thinking it seems.

@@nikk3251 She remained on the beach for the afternoon but prepared a FB post at 17.45 on realising he was missing on her return and his phone in situ, before alerting police at 7.30pm. You can't blame his wife. He told her he was going back to their accommodation. Had he not miscalculated he would have been home by 2.30pm not dying by a beach resort at 4pm.

@@courtneysquill8843 Listen to yourself: "prepated a FB post" .. Are you kidding?! 4+ hours after his brief return to their accommodation clearly had not brought about his brief return. She should have called the police the moment she realised he was not there.

I saw an interview with a reporter who saw the footage and he doesn’t mention that. He says he spent about 5 minutes unable to find a gap/gate in a fence, which could have been the gap we see the camera man step through before heading down towards the water. Which is sad because he was apparently just a 90s walk from the sea where he was found. He also said there was a small spring where he was found, and that Dr Mosely was say/lying with his legs elevated. So it looks like he was exhausted and stopped at the spring and elevated his legs so he wouldn’t pass out, but never got up again. He had bad luck every step of the way

So the cctv footage was there all the time ....

I'd forgotten that he was found face up, with his legs raised. Does sound like he wasn't feeling well in himself - heatstroke/dehydration rather than a sudden heart attack. Raising the legs helps the heart since it doesn't have to pump so hard, so perhaps dehydration caused cardiac arrhythmia, which might have progressed to something worse if he had nothing to drink.

Yes, that video gives many answers. Sounds horrendous viewing to watch his final demise. Shows him crawling for half an hour but covering only 30 metres. The post mortem mentioned no damaged bones.

@@wylie102 The bar owner viewed his own cc-tv footage and gave it to the police. I very much doubt he shared it with reporters. It shook him up a lot, he was almost in tears describing it. Reporters make stuff up.

SHUFFLE THE FREAKING PLAYLIST, PARROT

Usually with pith helmets in those days, sensibly protected

Haha yes. I posted the same but someone deleted my post

Someone called it a few days ago. They said a news publication would do this exact thing, and whichever news publication did it should be absolutely denounced.

@@stephenoxf it was a twitter user, also filmed and uploaded them carrying the body onto a boat it was despicable. Daily Express have obviously paid him a nice sum for this video, parasites.

The media is just disgusting

@@stephenoxf Its the Daily Express what do you expect, its scum and so is anyone who works for them.

Well, this is what the news press media are like, they want to give stories to their readership, selling papers is their business, however it may go against the grain with some.

Can’t believe that’s classed as a path 😢

@@anonym2544 It's not. Which is why he should not have been there without mountain-climbing gear.

Thank you AI.

@@anonym2544 the camera guy isn’t on one of the main paths

This is a real piece of bad bad journalism. There are plenty of clear footpaths. There is no reason to leave them and attempt climbing through the rocky hillsides, as this cameraman has. Sensationalistic nonsense

I know it’s agonising how close he was to that bar. As no one heard him call out, (not that we have been told anyway) I have been wondering if he slipped and fell on the rocks and knocked himself unconscious. The heat then took its toll. 😢

@rivermoon6190 I know, not sure if anyone interviewed any people who were at that Marina at the time Dr Mosley was there, and if anyone noticed a man of his description or spotted him?

@@rivermoon6190 NO

No-one else around

@@danieltaylor7219 He wasn’t ever at the Agia Marina or do you mean Pedi?

I said same thing. I guess as humans we take stupid risks

Because men often feel a bit invincible. Lets face it, we can be idiotic in our risk taking sometimes. Its one of the reasons we die earlier than women. I imagine he thought it would be a much quicker, easier walk.

In the same way why healthy, seemingly intelligent people allow themselves to be vaccinated against a mostly harmless infection. They think they'll be ok.

Being learned and academic does not equate to having wisdom, good judgment and common sense. Look at the McCanns...

​@@leenieledejo6849It means he should have known better as should the McCanns, unless he knew he was dying as he claimed he wasn't feeling well.

I was wondering if he tried raw squid or octopus for lunch. Both are venomous if still alive. Maybe that was why he became unwell.

WOW! That is some walk 🥴

When we are allegedly told all the facts ........ there are usually other facts being deliberately withheld or else unknown.

He also had a hat on that would not have helped as it helps to keep heat in the body 😢😢 umbrella yes but no hat

The BBC know why this happened

It's not a marina, the place is called "Saint Marina" (Agia Marina), after the saint known to Catholics as Saint Margaret. There is a tiny church dedicated to her on that small island where the yachts are moored.

The path is marked with red and blue paint look again .on the rocks

@@drsteinman5510 Then we will never know the truth.

​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​@charleswhite758 I find this interesting but I can't find photos of a little church. Greek Orthodox is the main religion which is different to Catholicism. Greece has links with the Bible and New Testament. There certainly have been many believers of Lord Jesus Christ over the centuries in Greece including Saint Paul. Apostle Paul who changed name from Saul. A place for Christian pilgrimages. So sad that Dr. Michael Mosley died so young. My thoughts and prayers are with his family and loved ones, his work colleagues, fans and all who love him. I have never been to Greece and mostly know of it through Bible study. John of Patmos wrote the Book of Revelation. I just feel so sorry about Dr. Michael Mosley things don't add up. Had a sick feeling since hearing about it here in the UK. He hadn't yet reached 70 years old. 70 years is the "threescore years and ten" as mentioned in the Bible. It is unbelievably sad. "In the Steps of St. Paul" is a good book by H.V. Morton. God bless.

God forbid!

So what? We want to know what happened, I would be grateful for more proper reporting of this sort. The mystery needs to be solved.

It’s all so strange, a highly intelligent man, obviously fit, but walking in such horrendously hot conditions was simply crazy, he had no phone, no water, why would he do it 😮 so sorry for his family, and we all miss his shows, his energy and scientific knowledge which he had in abundance…RIP Michael, we all loved you ❤

@@paulpavli7206 Who's we? I didn't know him, did you?

He reversed his diabetes.

He wasn't diabetic.

@@SweetSassyBull he used to be

so why did you watch it ?

Indeed. In fact why do we watch any morbid news. We’re all guilty of it aren’t we?

@@thrapsed think we watch it is to feel like our life is not so bad!

@@Bryanmccann1981 I didn't 🧌

Because he was such a good doctor

I think that is why he lay down and out his legs up. He felt faint. The wall also afforded a little shade at that time. He left his back pack on the path as he intended to get up and go on or so that someone would be alerted. He was too ill to cry for help. So he rested or fainted or slipped into unconsciousness. And he could even have been made more unwell if he had been bitten by mosquitoes which are numerous in Greece and some are known to carry West Nile Virus which can be fatal. If he fainted, he would have recovered shortly after when the weather cooled down and pressed on but he was so over heated by that stage he went beyond the point of no return.

No, he did not hit his head.

There was no injuries to his head or body..... he lay down intentionally

There wasn’t a designated path on that side of the Resort. It was on the other side. Dr Mosley took a wrong turn

*barren (I think you meant... Unless the land behind your house does belong to a baron.)

Same here mate…lived in Spain for 2 decades and the heat near Gibraltar is extreme too…

Depends what you're looking for. If you want greenery go to Indonesia. The Greek islands are not about greenery. They are about philosophy and spirituality. Deserts are optimal for that, which is why so many hermits choose to go to such places. But in contrast to a real desert, here you are also in touch with a warm and welcoming blue sea. Living at two extremes.

Greece has more than 6000 islands and islets. Many of them are mad green others are just super arid, others are flat, others are steep and hilly. Most of them are picturesque with golden sand beaches, olive groves and vineyards. After all there are so many exotic and idyllic islands with jungles and palms all over the world. Islands like the Greek ones (mostly in Aegean) you can find them only in Greece...! Let alone the food, the history, the culture, the weather is pleasantly hot and dry (not humid and unbearable),the architecture,the hospitality and so on.

You get it? Really? Why the fI_Ick you still clicked on this video one wonders, then!

True. Apparently the fence around the resort is to keep wild goats out and the entrance to the resort is on the other side at the end of the proper “pathway” from Pedi. The are no other gates, just the entry from the marina at the marina

Haha, a pearl cast to a swine. Stick to Benidorm. This is the whole beauty of the Greek islands, their brutal starkness and barrenness - contrasted with the extremely welcoming blue sea and the crisp whitewashed houses. Focusses the mind on higher things and encourages contemplation. Many philosophers came from these islands. You don't go there to ramble over the hillsides. And of course the wonderful simple food and wine. Moussaka and retsina. And the people too, devoid of extraneous airs and graces. Once visited never forgotten.

@@charleswhite758 Reduce the dose of mushrooms mate, and stop attacking all people here. Beside Benidorm, and this shithole, there are thousands of more interesting, LIVABLE locations on this planet. I won't tell you where I like to go, as I do not want it full of crackheads like you.

@@charleswhite758 I wouldn’t go to Benidorm either, there’s many places of beauty and quiet contemplation in the U.K.

@@lesleyhubble2976 I agree but ideally I like my beauty and quiet contemplation with a background of heat and sunshine. Being outside in the cold and rain is tough to endure. Even now in mid-June in England there have been few days I have been able to do that on my garden bench

I’ve been to Symi harbour/township and it’s lovely

It's beautiful! Life is on the coasts. Nobody goes inland, except for (maybe) an early morning hike. I was there and, like most of the Greek islands - and most islands in hot climates, including Australia - there's not much inland, which is usually unsheltered, and it can be barren and dangerous. They were at a friend's who has a house on the island.

it's only hell at certain times of day, that's why everyone goes inside. the rest of the year and at cooler times of day, it's fine

For the same reason many of the wealthy and well-known take holidays in remote places - to get away from us.

How long did you spent there?

No, the Greek islands are paradise, but they are not designed for strenuous hiking, more for relaxation and peaceful contemplation.

There's a signposted path to the resort at the top of the hill which he either didn't see or decided not to take... Their accommodation (a friend's house) is on the west of the island. The resort he was heading to is on the east. Maybe you can get a boat or water taxi from there, I don't know...

Exactly, it does seem like that as the barbed wire fence is quite high and in exhausted state would not be able to get over it? He would have been disorientated most likely due to averse affects of the heat and unable to find the gate to get to the cafe bar to get help and water, sad indeed.

@@ellie5901 There's no barbed wire there I can see. But obviously, as you rightly said, no way he'd've made it above the fence, even I suspect in the best conditions, let alone in his state.

It was a 20 minute walk, in theory, that should have taken him to the opposite side of the compound (where the entrance is). Presumably he got lost, turning it into a prolonged walk.

At least one member of the family did not seem concerned, oh, for at least 6 hours!

You might be right, the place has loads of them

"Biten"? What does that mean?

@@beaudilecaliste6545 No idea. Haven't a clue just like you.

Post mortem examination said no physical injuries. Until toxicology results come back it won't be known. But snakes would not be out in midday heat. Also the most dangerous snake on the island is an Ottoman viper, which are rare, and unlikely to bite unless provoked and even then rarely fatal, like the European Viper/adder.

He's showing us how difficult the terrain is, brilliant filming and reporting, with no yap-yap-yap.

Okay 👍🏼

Old ?? Michael was only 67 ! RIP

From interviews I’ve seen it is apparently terribly easy to lose the track and once you do it’s almost impossible to find again. This lines up with footage I’ve seen of someone else walking in the hills above Pedi where he starts to head down for what looks like a track in the valley below and just stumbles across a path, you literally couldn’t see it until he was right on top of it.

@@steveiles3079 Old chap is a figure of speech to us English, we even refer to our penis as "the old chap"

But the wife said that he left where she was because he was feeling unwell. Why suddenly ended on this place? Too irrational for a man like him. Contradictory.

This one was RARE, He wasnt SCOTTISH. R. I. P.

it's neither. It just IS. It doesn't have any intentions.

There's a signposted path to the resort at the top of the hill which he either didn't see or decided not to take... Their accommodation (a friend's house) is on the west of the island. The resort he was heading to is on the east. Maybe you can get a boat or water taxi from there, I don't know.

Oh, FFS! Of bloody course! People usually go by boat! Try to learn the basics!

@@leenieledejo6849 I believe he thought he could get back to his accommodation by avoiding going to Agia Marina a going up and over the mountain.

It’s not unnecessary if other people learn from his mistakes.

You watched it bud

@@seanpaul3050 I wouldn’t of thought it’s necessary to physically go to the location itself. Surely text description and wall to wall media coverage is sufficient?

@@bawardWhat’s wrong with some folks? No one forced you to watch. However, many people are genuinely interested in how this could happen in 2024 and for the poor doctor to be so near yet so far from help! No one can really appreciate the rugged and steep terrain from distant views. I did think that when MM was first found that possibly he fell down one of the slopes and hit his head and never regained consciousness in the heat. Seeing this walk through has shown just how dangerous walking this way actually was.

But you watched the whole lot to make sure...

Cctv

Oh, FFS, learn the basics!

Agreed. It's not even a mountain, just a hill.

Yep, much more difficult paths on the SWCP

Yes but he was 67 and unwell and overheated and you have to pick your way carefully so you don't lose your footing. It is hard work.

The "path" you refer to, is little more than a goat track. I've walked on terrain like this in Greece, in the heat, trust me, once heatstroke hits you, you go down hard and quickly, and I think he realised this as he stopped in a place that, at that time of the day, even being so close to safety, afforded him a little shade, and to prevent himself going into shock, raised his legs to get fluids into his torso. Unfortunately, my opinion, is it was too little, too late. Also the first thing that goes when you're dehydrated, is rational thinking, and it's easy to become disorientated. Watcing the video it's obvious how difficult the terrain is, and this is someone who hasn't just walked for 2 hours in it. All in all it was a very sad outcome.

No, no path, found prone not seated, 4 feet from wall. Don't apply for a job as a reporter.

By that logic everyone age 66/67 would now be passing away, no?

Not sunk in as it ?,.. in-other words you’re in your late 60s you’ve not got long to go especially !! if your! unfit! ..he was fit and didn’t make it .. yeah surprise how many unfit people are struggling to climb a mountain in their 60s .. a lot I just tied into their work before they know it ,,then at the deaths door

@@mickrobo6073 people die suddenly all the time and much younger than Dr Mosley. Even footballers drop dead on the pitch and they are fit. Humans push themselves. Bodies age. But Braun's don't age beyond 25.