Michelin Pilot Sport 4S VS Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 - Compared on Track [*] 

When you watch a tyre test on tyres that aren't available for your vehicle - you know its cos you love this channel!

This channel needs more subs, it's criminal how underrated it is.

Gotta appreciate the effort this man puts into these. Tires are the most important part of your car, thank you!!

God this gen of car does not get prettier, every time I see one it looks worse & worse, headlights misproportioned, monster grille, and fake engine noise lol As I said last week, you're churning these vids out now and I am here to watch every single one :D

Driving my 2t car on Michelin 4S for about 1.5year and after watching this video, I would no longer consider to swap to CUP2. Thanks 👏👍😉

I'm rather late to the tyre reviews party but I'm extremely glad I stumbled across it anyway. Brilliant channel, thank you for all your hard work.

I went for the Cup 2 Connects from your previous reviews & I love them, dry & warm they are brilliant.

Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S* seems to be a sporty tire for all kinds of summer weather.

Ripper comparison as always. Definitely deserving of more subs than this channel has so far. Should sort out a collab video with CarWow, do something like a drag race comparison showing the importance of having the right tyre. Also, Michelin, release these 4S's in more sizes. I need 235/35R19's for the vRS and I need them pronto!

Getting a rear set of 4S in the Spring on my 992 so this was helpful, thank you!

I noticed the under-steer in warm to hot conditions with the Pilot Sport Cup 2, too - and that was in my Golf R all-wheel-drive. I still love the Cup Sport 2 tyres.

Such a great video, deserves more views ! Can't believe how close they are in the dry although they understandably won't keep this performance as long as the cup2 on a track session.

question is an oe tire model specific or would you be able to put the star marked 4s on lets say an m2c and have similar results?

Thank you another very interesting test. The 4S is a great, impressive performance for a road tyre.

Please do a rant video on people that use winter tyres in the summer ! I'm a massive fan of your work sir ! I own a 215 hp RCZ and i'm about to buy some Michelin PS4 thanks to your channel. Such a pleasure to whatch this channel ! I check your channel out every 2 or 3 days to see if i haven't miss a new realease.

Well done as always Jonathan, keep it up.

4s and Cup 2 can be very grippy in the dry and unless the car is very powerful and you have a lot of space it can be difficult to learn oversteer. Running cup 2 in the wet is a great way to learn oversteer the compound doesn't get activated and doesn't wear as bad as one would think.

Superb review man !! Your vids gets better every time, keep it up !!

thank you so much for this video and others video such as pilot sport 4 vs 4s vs cup 2 because it helped me a lot with choose of tires for my car!

When I helped a friend looking for the Cup 2s we didnt get the size but the guys at Porsche recommended the 4s and they were indeed correct. They are very close.

Great work once again on providing information, I have recently heard of Zentino tyres apparently they claim to be a high performance budget tyre, could you do a review/ comparison with michelin equivalent please. Regards Steve

Great video! Please test aftermarket 4S, vs Cup2 vs Cup2 Connect!! :)

4S for me it is then! Thanks for the thorough review.

Thank's for the review. Just got a set of Cup 2 for my CL65 sitting in my office and waiting for the 4S which i am currently driving to get toasted. With the 4S I have a bit too much understeer which I don't like. Let's see what happened after the change. Yes, I know the V12TT is heavy on the front and the V8 version is better balanced , but is not a V12 ! I guess you got my point.

Awesome work Jonathan. Also perfect timing! The 4s it is then for me as it's a road car still

One of the best channels on RU-vid!

I’ve had both tyres as you said easy on the throttle you can live with the ps4 in the wet no worries the cup 2’s wow insaneI love them on my series 1m.

Awesome test again. So… let’s see that RE71RS and A052 Vs. the Cup 2 on an M2 !!

What would happen if you fit a mix of these two tires (PS4S in the back and SC2 in the front) for a staggered setup on something like a BMW M5? Any benefits to that? Thank you and love the channel! 🤩

Thank You for this video, it'll help me with my build 👌🏽🥂

Let's goooooooo. Finally a Cup 2 connect review. Thanks my dude

I got a video idea! Would be interesting to see how does a winter tire work on gravel surfaces against summer and gravel tires.

Would love to have seen if the app could have helped you dial in the C2C and perhaps see an improvement in your time. Thanks for a terrific channel!

Thanks Jon for another interesting and excellent review. I have just replaced the Michelin PS4S tires on my 370Z sport coupe with a set of Michelin PS Cup 2 (240) tires in the OEM fitment, based in large measure on your review of the tire. It hasn't disappointed me, with the improved steering response and feel being less vague and more precise than the PS4S. Comfort and noise, surprisingly, are nearly as good as with the 4S. The main drawback is the wet road performance which I haven't had time to check but that is not a big deal to me. The 4S on my car got to 35K miles, with the rear wheels needing more negative camber, with no rotations and still had a little tread left but I know these won't go as far, about 28K I'm estimating. The higher cost and shorter tread life are acceptable tradeoffs to me for the better handling this tire affords. I had some intake, exhaust mods and a dyno tune done on the car and now estimate that I'm probably pushing about 380 peak hp at the crank. With the increased power, I wanted a tire that I thought would be a good match for a lightweight car with this kind of power; I feel that this tire is going to be the tire for this car. My feeling is that Michelin has produced a good tire to fill the gap between the PS4S and the PSC2R. Based on my cost per mile to operate either of these tires, I don't see these tires as being prohibitively expensive when matched to a car that can utilize their capabilities. Next on the agenda is reduction of unsprung and rotational mass in the suspension.

4S is an amazing tyre. I’m getting these for my 2015 BMW 750Lxi👍💪

Great test video as always. Can you estimate what influence a changed setup for the C2C would have in this case (some more camber etc.) Is the C2C ideal for factory setup, or would it have a big(ger) benifit from a changed setup? As you know most semis like/need more camber to perform it best. What is you opinion? Thanks. ☺👍

Thanks for the content. Do you think the difference would be as close of the course was a short, tighter dry course? Would higher track Temps make more or less difference. Thanks. I'm trying to make a decision on 4s again or Cup 2.

Thanks for making my best break of the day 🙂. Understeer and only 7/10th of a second gap on a one minute lap...just add the price difference and the choice is definitely a no brainer thanks to your review! It would be good such video pushes BMW to release PS4S* for 19" wheels...

Have now the cup 2 connect in 205 and 255 / 17 on my Porsche 964 and have the same feeling that the front axle reaction is a bit late even compared to the former PS2. The final grip is good but the reaction feels like if the 7" wheel were to small. You do a great job with the reviews! PS : Great Bodywork, but legs are like tyres, dont forget them there important too.

PS 4s* is totally the best. Top job as usual!

Great video, as always!!! One question: at what pressure do you drive 4S tires when they are warm? I have very big problems with 4S tires on the track, on my Focus RS, mk3, awd, 1590 kg. The sidewall of the tire is torn as is the outer edge of the tire. The standard tire pressure is 2.8 / 2.6 bar warm (forward / backward)

Bro, your videos are exactly what I’m looking for! My G80 came with the PS4s stars, luckily not the Pirelli’s. I’m planning on my next set of tires and considering the Cup 2/R. I don’t track my car but I live in a climate where it only rains a couple weeks per year. Wondering how the Cup 2 & Cup 2 R’s work in the rain.

This is great info. Wish someone would do something like this with a 911. Non OE 4S vs Cup 2. I’ve considered Cup 2 and everytime I end up needing new road tires, I don’t end up doing it.

My god that’s some elegant driving

I just changed tyres on my M135i from MPSS to the new Bridgestones S007A. In my opinion the Bridgestone are similar to MPSS but a bit better gripping with firmer sidewalls. Both of the sets were non run flats. I tried getting Pilot 4S but Australia doesn’t sell them in my size

Put the 4S * on my TTRS and the grip is just incredible compare to the Audi oem tyres. I'll try CUP2 to compare later hope they are better on dry road

I’d love to see a ps4s vs pilot super sport vs cup 2 240 comparison. Thanks for what you do!

Thanks! Would be nice to see and hear your thoughts on how the tires wore through your testing. If one tire wore better than the other, it might be worth the price differences for those who aren't looking to set hero lap records. Always appreciate your work.

Geat video but for the dry test it would be great to see how both hold up after 5+ laps. That's the minimum I want to drive when I first head out for a "heat".

Great vid. After my Mazda 6 sportbreak drama story I have bought a new car with more poweeerrr... Have to save some money for new rims that will fit the pilot sport 4 or 4S. I'ts not possible to drive hard here in the Netherlands... Soooo maybe about that time there is a 5(s) I have now a Seat Exeo St 2.0 ti

They’re almost all wet track days in Seattle. Got 4K slippery miles out of my Cup 2’s. Moved to the 4S and am happier. Not going back.

Great video, as always. Question, you previously mentioned the Eagle F1 Supercar 3 as a perfect "in-between" tyre. How does that compare to these two and what would your choice be now, after reviewing the BMW-rated / star-marked PS4S?

This was an excellent review, I’m looking at getting the pilot sports 4s for my M4 Competition but when I speak to the tyre shops they say that there is no difference between the star and non star marked tyres. I’m weary about spending money on them as I would rather have the star marked tyres. Do you have a specific part number or barcode/QR code for these tyres?

Nice! Well...a quality for a TD tyre is also how it handle 20min without overheating, and how it handles termal cycles, not only one single lap comparison. Hard to show in a video!

Awesome review as always! Which would you pick for road use on a C63S? Regular 4S or Goodyear Super Car 3?

That track is absolutely beautiful

What’s your opinion on the Michelin 4s vs Goodyear f1 supercar3 that you also seem to love? Would love to see that comparison one day

I trust Jonathan to be clockwork accurate in his reviews. 4s is my tire of choice for both my cars.

Hi Jonathan. What tyres would you recommend for a 2011 E92 Competition M3. I do 1/3 road and 2/3 trackday but only 5000 km/year. My car run on Michelin Supersport at the moment. Tx for your superb reviews.

Great review. Maybe I will be changing from the Cup2's for a bit better UK weather capability. Any plans for Motorbike tyre reviews?

Fabulous work. Is it possible to do these same test with economy cars lower power cars?

How good would this be if the Track Connect was being used and we knew temperature was right in the steer tyres? I've always found the Michelins critical to get temperature in the front tyres to ensure neutral handling. Still the best tyre channel on the internet!

the new Michelin Pilot Sport 5 is available for press at least. Are you planning a video on it soon?

Just ordered my M3… I really hope it comes with the PS-4S instead of the Pirelli. I’ve heard of some people getting the Pirelli’s.

I feel like this review was damn near made for me lol. My 2016 Focus RS came with the sport cup 2, and when they wore out I replaced them with the 4s. Since then I've been wondering what kind of performance I'm giving up, and considering whether I should switch back again later. From what I've gathered here, since I don't actually track my car and it does rain fairly often here, I'm content with the 4s. Thanks!

It's been great video with surprisingly huge gap between those two in the wet and unbelievably negligible gap in the dry. However, I'm wondering what would be track times, especially in wet, if driven against regular Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S?

We need a track day special, Cup2, A052, AD09, Re71RS, CRS 🙏

My GT4 had factory Cup 2, for all weather types they are not great, so changed them out for PS4S N-rated and they feel very similar..

Can you do a "Wet" specific episode? I don't think you've specifically focused on "Wet" & "Aquaplaning" Still waiting to see if you can get your hands on BFGoodrich G-Force Comp 2.

I hope I win the tire lottery and my new M3 Comp Xdrive shows up with the PS4S instead of the Pirellis. I have the standard PS4S on my 2016 Chevy SS and they are leagues better than the factory Bridgestones were. More grip and far longer lasting. Seeing how improved the star marked PS4S is for the M3 versus the standard PS4S is really impressive.

Hi, great in depth videos. I have a BMW 1m coupe as a road car & need to replace the rears. Currently has Toyo Proxos T1 Sport all round. If I go for a different brand tyre on the rear, can this upset things or should I get two more Toyo's until I need all 4, then change brand? Thanks

I love the Michelin’s on our new auto Bahn here in nsw

Ive just changed from the ps4s to cup2 connects 💥🤞

1 track day as Intermediate on a Porsche TTS, 4 high speed 20 minute sessions. my 4S's look trashed and depth is more then half life already. The 4s heats up quick. I started at 33psi and it got into the 47-48 psi range. Might ask others about the proper operating temp on the track, my ribs looks trashed. The traction was really good though. Was able to brake a lot later then the others on Cup 2's and we great before they heat up to high on the PSI. The spirit driving experience was amazing on these, I just would get for the track. I will probably get a another set of 4s tires, but put them on my street wheels, and run different tires for track going forward. Just can't find a do it all tire yet.

Seeing that the track tire is so slow on wet, it would be fun to compare the wet time to a more normal tyre, for instance Pilot 2 Cup, vs Primacy, vs Enery saver on the wet, would be interesting....

This 4s* in a 215 55 17 for my V6 Accord Would be an epic summer tire.

I run PS4S on an M2C, and wondering if BMW did similar development work on * marked tyres for other models, or if this is a new thing for them. Until I watched both your videos, I genuinely had no idea there were OE differences to same model tyres!

The 4s is king in my opinion. Hopefully the s5 is even better

hi guys great content, what is the best tyres for my 987 2009 boxster 2.9.

I've recently fitted a set of Michelin Pilot Sport4 SUV to my err, umm, SUV. How do you or did you rate these? They are bloody expensive and don't seem to have much tread depth! I'm not about to drift them but do want wet and dry grip and braking performance and a not-unreasonable cost per mile.

Please test more Yokohama's and Bridgestones

Since the star-marked is so superior to aftermarket, would you recommend fitting them to non BMWs?

How do the bridgestone potenza sports compare to the star marked 4s.

I love your videos and I love your level of detail. What I will never love is that HIDEOUS BMW front grille, seriously, they have to fire whoever is designing the modern front ends. The rest of the car is fine.

amazing cool chanel.thank you.

It would be good to see star marked 4S vs non star marked cup2

bravo

Thank You! 🥇👍🇫🇮

I have an 8s ttrs (Haldex system ) with mps4s 255/35/19 thinking about 255/35/19 or 265/30/19 in the cup 2’s . Live in a dry , hot climate

Any word yet when the Michelin Cross Climate 2 are coming to the UK? Want to get an order in for the autumn but at the moment the local tyre shops are saying that nothing is confirmed

You mention your dirving slowly in these wet conditions, but what is the speed exactlly?

As N-rated 19 inch PS4S is not available for my Porsche 718, would a *-marked PS4S be a good substitute ? Or do you advise to stick with the N-rated Pirelli P-Zero's for the Porsche 718 ?

Hey Mate, i checked the Pilot Sport 4S* and they are also available in other Widths. So not only for the G80 M3. I contacted the german Michelin customer service and they are ... useless. Could you figure out if all the 4S* available from BMW have the same compound as the ones for the G80 M3? That would be so helpful!

Do you think the cup 2 side wall is wider than ps4s or in general the cup 2 wider ?

Lovely

I've got fronts 235 35 19 DT1 rear 265 30 19. Star marked not available.. plenty good for daily driving

Would love a performance semi slick tyre review I’m struggling to find a tyre that doesn’t require loads of warm up to be able to get 700nm to the ground on rwd.

Is there a difference between front and rear star rated mps4s? Ie if I want to use a bmw rear size, as a front tyre for another vehicle, would I end up with understeer as they made that for the rear of an oversteery vehicle.

What maybe should also be pointed out is that if u go for a trackday its not only the 1sec in a single dry round. Im almost certain that u do alot of rounds on a trackday and the cup tyre will last alot longer until its getting to hot and lose the grip. Especialy with a heavy car like the M3/M4 the difference in time will grow fast after a few rounds.

I have done a few tracks days on the michelin pilot sport 4s but mainly have the goodyear supercar 3r tires for track day on my camaro zl1 1lE. I found that the 4s can be run hard the whole session and be consistent the whole time and only require 1 lap to get warmed up. The 3r you have to manage the tires allot more.... But there is a huge difference in lap times. 4s I was consistently around 1:30 and the 3r I was getting about 1:26:5. This is a very short 2.7km track with lots of turns.