The angels belong in OC. Look at the attendance of the angels pre 2020 it was in the top 10. The management and the constant failure of the team is driving the fans insane. Angel fans are not the problem and don’t deserve to lose them to another city especially Los Angeles
@@Dark0Shadow79 So you are leaving the number 2 TV market for two POS markets in Utah and Portland. One has no downtown anymore and the other would be 1/10 of the TV money they are getting now.
The Angels belong in Anaheim, frankly their fanbase if pretty loyal (one of the few teams who average 3 million fans a season) and very affluent as they are adjacent to South Orange County where big $$$ resides. That said, you could make a case that a waterfront ballpark in Long Beach could be a real gem, but does moving them to Long Beach make them anymore profitable or valuable than if they just built a new stadium in Anaheim?
@@ediaz951 If the Angels leave Anaheim, they aren't going far (Let's be real there is no open market that has the affluence and strong following that exists in the OC) they will remain in the market so there's no chance MLB, the Dodgers or Angels will permit a 3rd team to enter the Los Angeles/OC market.
Angel Stadium has a very large parking lot. So they don't have to relocate to Los Angeles County or Irvine or anywhere else. They can do what the Mets, Brewers, and several other ballclubs have done and build the replacement stadium in the parking lot of the existing one. Then, when the new stadium is complete and ready for play, demolish the old stadium to replace the parking that was lost in the parking lot portion where the new stadium was constructed.
San Jose is Giants territory, that’s the reason the A’s couldn’t move there. Angels aren’t leaving So Cal, they have one of the best tv contracts in mlb
@@XxRaiders I'm waiting for them to rename themselves the Los Angels Angels of Anaheim, California. They've claimed all three of those names at one point or another. Interesting fact: The Angels and White Sox are the only teams in MLB who are the most watched teams in exactly zero counties. For a comparison the Atlanta Braves alone are the most watched team in over 550 counties.
Don't see them moving to LA County - no fan support there and would demolish their support. The fans are all in OC and they have a strong fan base down there. OC people don't go to LA or LA County. There's talk of Long Beach around the convention center, but that seems like a long shot to me with limited freeway access and traffic issues demolishing the fan base.
Could easily happen. For many years before you were born they were the California Angels.They had sweet ass uniforms from 1993-1996 before they became the Anaheim Angels in 1997.
He doesn’t but a lot of teams are in threat and I do think multiple will move A’s, Rays, White Sox, Angels, possibly even the Orioles or Diamondbacks. MLB is trying to get as much stadium money as they can.
Been a fan since 1979. 44 years. Artie needs to sell. But if they don't get him a new stadium I don't blame them for moving to Los Angeles-proper. When the team is winning they draw 3 million. No issue with the fan base. It's the team.
No one is putting forward the idea that Angel Stadium should have a retractable roof, because who the hell wants a retractable roof in Orange County, California?
DG doesn't know SoCal real estate like a SoCal native does. There's only 2 real spots to situate a new Angels Stadium. One is in Irwindale, LA County, and already a place that the Raiders turned down in the early 1990s. The other would be the former El Toro MCAS in Tustin, Orange County. That location is freeway close, and has already been turned down as the site of a new international airport.
Not sure what you're talking about? Long Beach offered to build the Angels a new stadium on the water. There is a ton of real estate in Playa Del rey near LAX and westchester where all the homes were torn down and that's right off the 405FWY, again overlooking the water. They could also move to the San Fernando Valley, which if it was it's own city it would be the sixth largest in the country.
Long Beach is a driving nightmare. The I.E would be ok if a property with a Mountain View could be purchased. Inland Empire Angels ??? California Angels much better.
They're never moving to the Inland Empire-- it will never happen. I live in Hollywood. And I have several friends who are lifelong fans. But move out there and it's too far. I'll never drive out there. If they move anywhere they'll move to where there are more people. The San Fernando Valley makes sense, but ultimately I think they stay in Anaheim , but with a new stadium. The city can't afford to lose them. @@upsox-tk7zw
5 Points/The Irvine Co. (Donald Bren) owns the (not so) Great Park and that has been the boondoggle of the century. The story is to long for here and it's off topic anyway. Suffice to say they is WAY to much money building stucco and chicken wire tiny condos than a sports stadium.
The problem is, Arty Moreno is a cheap ass bastard! He doesn't like investing money into the Angels, and he isn't going to, either! Moving the Angels from Anaheim would be very difficult for many reasons! I'm a Dodgers fan but do watch Angels baseball because it's easy to watch out here in LA, and I know some Angels fans. The Angels haven't had a great team, since the early 2000s, when they had Tim Salmon, JT Snow, Darren Erstadt, Garrett Anderson, and all them great starting pitchers they had back them! It's sad what the ownership has done to the Angels baseball team!
As an Oakland fan, I don't keep up-to-date on everything the Angels and their ownership do, but as someone who has suffered through 18 years of Fisher's ownership and 10 years of the equally bad Stephen Schott & Ken Hofmann beforehand, I struggle to see how Arty Moreno is a cheap bastard. He may make poor decisions regarding contracts, roster building, coaching staff, front office personnel, etc., but he spends money. Josh Hamilton, Albert Pujols, Trout, Rendon, and Ohtani ($30 million in 2023) all nearly make/made as much annually as the entire Oakland roster recently. His medaling seems the issue; if Moreno hired a better baseball operations team and got out of the way, the Angels may be a perennial contender.
They would have to activate the National Guard for every game 4 hours pre and 4 hours post to escort fans to their cars. Long Beach is a crime stricken dump!
(sarcasm) IDK, Orlando Cubs has a nice ring to it... Tourist city, build a shiny new ballpark next to the resorts, charge the highest prices in the league, and do ticket packages for Cub fans who'll fly in from Chicago to root for their favorite team!! It's not about Chicago!! It's Cubs Nation!! And real Cubs fans will support them no matter where they play, right??!!! 🤗 (/sarcasm.) That's what they tell us Oakland fans... 🙄
The Angels aren't going ANYWHERE, not at least outside SoCal. The population, corporate sponsorship, spendable income, you'll find where...ELSE? Never mind the PRIMO location that Angels Stadium is. Yes, after almost SIXTY years, it needs some SERIOUS updating, and likewise that valuable property that now is used as a PARKING LOT. If the Angels left Anaheim, it'd likely be further south in OC, or into the "Inland Empire", which of itself is a helluva untapped market, but in the case of another OC location, the real estate acquisition cost likely is too prohibitive to even consider it! As the END of a lease approaches, most major league sports teams usually make some NOISE about leaving, it's the ONLY leverage they HAVE.
The Athletics are a different case entirely, Angels Stadium might be the second best stadium in the country for ease of access. It is not far from a major Freeway, there are buses and a train directly to the Park. The climate is ideal for baseball the entire season. I like the stadium and it is historical being the fourth oldest in MLB. But if you had to, you coulc build a new stadium in the parking lot and tear down the old stadium for a parking structure and a entertainment district. Although I do not know how you can compete with Downtown Disney a couple of miles west.
The problem with the Angles is not just their location, it’s the division they are playing in. With the Rangers winning the title with a manager that has 4 rings, the Astros that continue to win the division (including two rings), and a Seattle team that continues to finish above .500 each year. All three of these teams finish above the Angels. More like Fallen Angels
No one moves out of the number 2 TV market in the country to Nashville or wherever. They are going to end up building something either at the current site or someplace in close to where the Clippers are building. You don't abandon money from local tv deals for another smaller market that will get you 1/10 of the money. People don't seem to understand the economics of baseball very much. It is not the NFL or NBA were most of the TV money is shared equally. TV revenue and ad revenue are the driving forces. Ticket sales and attendance count for very little of overall team revenue.
Nah they need both. Angel Stadium is pretty terrible compared to most other ballparks. There's plenty of land in the parking lot to build a new stadium. Perhaps a new owner could get it done.
I've been to half the stadiums, it is definitely not one of the worst. The worst in the majors after Oakland is Dodgers Stadium, then Colorado, then Toronto@@kotch35
How does moving to LA County benefit the Angels? And where in LA can they go? Until recently the Angels were drawing 3 million fans a season. Their fan base is pretty much all in the OC. Long Beach, while having a nice waterfront area, is out of the way for most fans in the region. The Anaheim location is at the crossroads of three major freeways and a major bus/train transportation center is next door. As for the roster, talent comes and goes for most teams. They have been on a bad run lately but nothing is forever. Losing Ohtani nay be a blessing in disguise as they will have more payroll flexibility which should help them. I think Moreno, or a buyer if sold, will give it another go in trying to develop the parking lots surrounding the stadium. They'll remain in Anaheim for quite a while and if they do move then more likely than not they'll stay in the OC.
Thank you! Common sense is so refreshing sometimes. The Angels organization has undoubtedly stumbled these last few years but they'll figure things out.
They should have put the stadium in Carson where the chargers wanted their stadium and they could have made it Angel's world and made the whole area a district and it's closer to the waterfront so you get a better breeze closer to Long Beach closer to Orange county and it would be the coast versus inland when both teams meet
The fan base extends well into LA County and the Inland Empire (Riverside County & San Bernardino County). I personally would love to see them come to the IE.
@@francisbishop5158 In honor of Gene Autry, the cowboy thing would be perfect. Rebranding their uniforms by removing the silver cresting around the home wordmark and alternate jersey and bringing back the gold halo around the A would be a fabulous. Having "California" across the Angels road jersey with the state on sleeve patches as well.
Hi ! With all due respect, The Angels belong in Anaheim/Orange County. Why move closer to the Dodgers huge fan base ? Give the Angels young players a chance and they night be a playoff contender sooner than people realize. Only way to find out is letting them play. It's so simple. After 8 years of losing, I'm willing to be patient and enjoy watching them improve. Back onto the retractable roof subject. Sorry but have you ever lived in SoCal ??? During baseball season the best weather for baseball maybe anywhere is right here in SoCal. A retractable roof ??? Really ??? Sorry but that's really funny or whatevah ! One more Angels fans big plus, they draw 2.6 million with a losing team that hasn't won in 8 years, think of the support if they can become contenders again ? Sorry don't even remotely agree but still respect your opinions.
The Angels belong in Anaheim. The attendance has been in the top 10 even before Ohtani. The team needs a new owner who will build a new stadium in the current parking lot.
If...and this is a big IF, the Angels were to relocate, I am not sure where they would go. LA County is Dodgers territory. San Jose is Giants territory. Oakland is about to lose their team, I doubt they would go to Oakland. Sacramento? Maybe I could see it. Salt Lake City? Not sure. Portland? Maybe...but they probably need a retractable roof stadium for it because of all of the rain. Nashville? It would be a realistic place for the Angels. Montreal? I doubt it. As much as I think baseball fans would love to see the Expos come back...I think MLB is dead set against it, even if Montreal and the surrounding area got 300k people more living in the area. (At 500k, I think MLB wouldn't be able to ignore it). Buffalo? Charlotte? Probably not with Buffalo because of how close Toronto is. I don't think the Bluejays would want another team that close. Charlotte...as long as Michael Jordan isn't involved in the ownership, I could see it as a possibility. But, Anaheim is and has been the home of the Angels going back to the 60's. They have never known another place. I would think that most Ownership groups would not want to mess that up. If they can work out a deal for a new stadium. Yes, they do need one. They need something that can be the Angels home for the next 50+ years. Because they did not build the current stadium with the idea of it being a historic place like Wrigley Field or Fenway Park. They built it with the 1970's in mind. That was about as far ahead as they thought. I think if they bring some old school charm to it with the sleek modern design, they could build something that could stick around for 100 or more years.
There is so much incorrect or missing information in this video. The Angeles are one of the top teams in attendance for the past two decades. Between 2002-19 they averaged 3 million fans a year. So, they never counted on Ohtani to drive attendance, though I expect they should see a fall off, but will not draw less than 2 to 2.25 million fans in 2024. I seriously doubt that Anaheim Stadium is in such bad condition that it needs to be torn down. The Angels organization claim they have paid out of their own pocket to maintain the stadium way beyond what was required of them by the original lease. Arte Moreno was willing to purchase the 150 acre property the stadium and surrounding parking lot sit on. That deal fell through when the former mayor of Anaheim plead guilty to agreeing to take a bribe from the Angels; in the form of a $1 million campaign contribution, in exchange for leaking city financial information to the Angels to strengthen their negotiating hand and to help push through a sale to the Angels. You see the real issue here is revenue that the City of Anaheim earns and that Angel owner Arte Moreno wants to get his hands on. It's the parking fees paid out by the average 40,000 fans who show up for every game that Arte covets. That and the possibility and redeveloping some of the land around the stadium. One the other side of this equation, except for one former corrupt mayor, City of Anaheim officials don't care if the Angels stay or go. The land the Big A sits on is hella valuable. It sits in close proximity to three different Southern California freeways. That land can be sold or leased to other developers besides Arte. The city doesn't need the Angels. They are a nice thing to have, but not essential to the city's survival or image.
Angels will never leave Los Angeles. They are the original LA team , their name is literally named after the city. The Angels. If anything they should go to Inglewood and join the Clippers and Rams but still be called the LA Angels!
Yeah, but their fanbase isn't based in LA because they don't play in LA. Their fanbase is due to Orange County support, and people who identify with their fanbase. Moving them to Inglewood would do them no favors because they would no longer be Orange County. Now they would be an LA team, and at that point, why not just root for the actual LA team that everybody associates LA with?
The Angels also have an issue with that Anderson contract. They gave up draft pick compensation to sign him last offseason despite the fact he's old and injury prone. They paid him $53M and he posted and ERA well over 5.00. They nees to get rid of his contract, Rendon's contract and yes even Trout's contract is underwater at this point as he's declining and can't stay healthy. They need to trade Trout while teams still want him. Instead of getting prospects in return they would be wise to tell the acquiring team that they can keep their prospects if they take the contracts of guys like Rendon and Anderson too. The Phillies would love to get Trout. They would love to do it without giving up any prospects even more. Angels would probably have to eat some money but it's often surprising how much money acquiring teams like the Phillies will eat if they get to keep their prospects. The Rangers ate a ton of money on the Scherzer acquisition and traded Acuña's brother on top of it. If they got to keep him they probably would have eaten all of it. Let the Phillies keep all their prospects and atill get Trout. They just have to eat Rendon and Anderson too. The Phillies shouldn't do that but if they are anything like the Rangers they probably will. Everyone needs arms and at least Anderson is an arm. Heck... Maybe Bohm and Rendon might actually combine to make 1 full MLB 3rd baseman. Angels desperately need to reset their payroll and the best way to do that is to get someone to eat the Rendon and Anderson contracts. There's not much if any time left where another team might consider it to get Mike Trout. If the Angels could pull that off it would probably save them over half a billion dollars and allow them to build a team the right way with draft picks and international signings. Then once they get a good core like the Orioles they could start spending again as long as they've learned from their past mistakes. They need to stop signing guys like Rendon, Anderson, Pujols, Justin Upton, Josh Hamilton, CJ Wilson, Vernon Wells, Jared Weaver, etc. They need to stop going after the biggest name in the sport and start focusing on spreading the money around so they can get 26 of the 2nd or 3rd tier biggest names and have a solid farm system to back them up.
@@jasonjsadler2278 True. Not sure why I was thinking $53M. I was still surprised they gave up draft compensation on top of that $ for him though. Couldn't have worked out better for the Dodgers.
Arte Moreno has totally mismanaged the Angels under his ownership! WTF is up with this Los Angeles BS? They're an O.C. team. Rebrand back to the California Angels and bring back the classic uniforms from the 70s / 80s!!!
I hope they stay in O.C., but Moreno changed their name to L.A. for a reason. I think he'll push hard to get to Long Beach because it's L.A. county and still close enough to O.C. where the diehard fans may still go to the games.
I'm from the LA area. Where sir do you think the Angels will go in LA county? The team belongs in Orange County. The only place in LA county might be Long Beach due to it's proximity to north Orange County.
Angels have a lease with the city of Anaheim until 2029 I believe. I might be wrong on that. If they do relocate it would Long Beach area. Rate does need to sell the team. He is getting players way past their prime if they ever had one.
That is astonishing to think that MLB could fail in Orange County. I think it would be a mistake to move to LA County with all of it's social problems.
They've been in Anaheim for 60 years, and should stay in Anaheim. They should've kept the name "Anaheim Angels", but that isn't sexy enough for advertisers, according to Moreno.
If you removed the beige sandstone exterior with the green highlights, this stadium is old. I attended the final game of the regular season, and there aren't any renovations that could revive this stadium (maybe in the late 2000's, not in 2024).
Grew up in Anaheim and have been going to the big A since Nolan was with us. IMO, there is nothing wrong with the stadium and they have done their best to keep modernizing it. It tough when every new stadium is more razzle-dazzle than the last one and the trend is to put them in urban settings. I thought the team was better off with Disney ownership as they have bottomless pockets. The only thing dating the venue is it's setting. Putting stadiums in vast suburban industrial parks is so 60's.
Honestly the angels should stay in Anaheim and change the the name to the Anaheim Angels. But if they were to move they should move to Utah. They would have barley any competition.
It’s true Growing up even in Anaheim If you go to the Block (the mall) closes to Angels Stadium The majority of baseball merch you’ll find is dodger merch bcs that’s what everyone likes around here The angels game always get packed tho
Dodger stadium sucks in Los Angeles! Horrible drive to LA and Orange Country is an easy drive and to park. Hope they don't move from Orange County as The Big A is Anaheim.
Its been renovated so many times it really past its life. But one thing CA does right is not pay for sports stadiums. They will have to build it on their own dime. Not the taxpayers.
From inside around the field & seats Angels Stadium looks fine but in the insides along the concourses & concessions it’s old & very tight area to get around. The Angels need a brand new ballpark, no way should it be retractable roof, would cost several billions more. Especially in Southern California
I grew up in OC and went to many games at the Big A.....the smart move is to build a brand new state-of-the-art stadium in the parking lot (like the Mets did) and tear down the current stadium and develop the enormous amount of land that is the parking lot. This location sits at the junction of 3 major SoCal freeways so great access....perhaps even a retractable roof to vie for more events aside from baseball.......anywhere else will be the downfall of the team.
The Angels lost last night in a blowout and still sold out. Parking was $10 and a beer was $4.50. Not a great team no pitching again, but still a great ballpark experience.
Blasphemy! LA fiends wouldn’t support the Angels anyway. Angels get support from Orange County, Riverside, Oceanside and the even San Bernardino. This stadium is in a PRIME location near the 57 freeway. Not to mention when they won the World Series in 2002 they were just a middle of the pack salary team.
Move 'em to Utah, please. Jk, that's just me being selfish and wanting my team close by. For real though every single issue with this franchise can traced back to Moreno.
I really don’t think the city of LA won’t allow them to be in their city. The Dodgers are the only LA team. They will always be the Anaheim Angels to me,
I don’t know who you are, but I would leave Anaheim Stadium Malone angels do good they draw OK the stadiums, one of the nicest stadiums around I would just leave it alone and let them play and leave them go there’s no reason to keep up on that that’s all you do is harp about the Angel Stadium if you don’t like it, don’t go
