If the show was at least 24 episodes and had a higher production budget like jjk or csm it would’ve lived up to everyone’s expectations cause the manga is genuinely incredible.
@@Narutoislife12couldn’t agree more, however what non manga readers don’t understand about CSM is that the first 12 eps was just a prologue, it doesn’t pop off until season 2
@@Infinite_exhilaration Yeah, I remember all hype about Chainsaw Man when the anime was announced from manga readers talking about how insane it was gonna be. With them obviously assuming it would be 24 episodes like JJK was, but when the 12 ep announcement came out a lot of manga readers went like: "ah shit, hope we didn't overhype it".
As someone who hasn’t read the manga and had no expectations coming in, this was one of the top shows this season for me. I absolutely loved this show from episode 1, I didn’t notice pacing issues, just a cool MC, a solid plot, amazing fights and epic animations, maybe its because I had no prior knowledge on Hell’s Paradise, but for me it was easily a 9.5/10.
The pacing was killing this show for me. It's either too fast or too slow, it just feels so weird. I like a lot of stuff about it but the pacing is just so bad that it's sapping my enjoyment. I'm glad that you found enjoyment in it though!
Without giving spoilers, I think one of the things that really deserves more compliments is the artistic direction of the show. The island on which the season takes place is absolutely beautiful. It's haunting, strange, foreboding, intriguing, and it weaves together different religious and philosophical concepts in a really fascinating way. It seemed like a truly alien place and really made me want to know more about it.
@@dohpam1ne I do, it was leagues better than how the anime portrays almost everything imo, no need to be so hostile for a rhetorical statement that didn't even need to be answered lol
I don’t care what anybody says, or me the animation was acceptable and for me this was different, I mean sending off criminals to a unknown mythical island, where they have to retrieve a elixir to be not killed for what they’ve done, in which results in goals to what they are living for.
I have to admit as a manga reader, the pacing for the show is absolutely all over the place, I think the animation, voice acting, soundtrack, and overall delivery was wonderful but my god the pacing does hurt the show quite a bit. With any luck now that most of the intros and world building are done with, they can slow the show down a bit cause there are some incredible fights and story moments on the horizon for season 2
@@sulemiofan34sure, but there was an important part of a chapter skipped i forgot which one tho. So maybe start the manga around like where ep 11 left off
The reason they were able to use the new power system so quickly was that they were already using a lesser version of it in their ninjitsu. They were only missing that final piece of the puzzle, achieving true balance and control of your emotions.
Charlie hit the nail on the head, people, specifically the new anime watchers, are so spoiled for good animated anime because the level of consistency of good anime has never been higher, people like me got a mediocre animated naruto eps once every few weeks when it would air on toonami and we would praise it like the second coming of Jesus Christ, but now so many new shows have got tier animation and as soon as we get a show that doesn’t have that god tier animation people dunk on it even tho it’s still really good just maybe not the best in the medium
That's hella true, I think a generation of even the early 2010's is more used to worse animation so people tend to be less critical, while alot of the new watchers who are essentially introduced to amazing animation from the start, will jeer at a slightly less amazing production. Look at Black Clover fans, they were happy to be finally called 'carried by animation' after years of what was not the most stellar production from Pierrot, but still appreciated the effort made on some scenes despite bad conditions. I just think it's immaturity of expectations of being introduced to a new medium, like finding out about a band through their best song but finding out you don't like the other songs as much and being disappointed.
I really enjoyed Season 1. I havent read the manga at all, so I was always excited every week to see the new episode. Overall I really enjoy most of the characters especially Gabimaru, his motivation to get the immortality juice really resonates with me. I give it an 8.5/10, some flaws but fun overall
TBF the characters learning the Tao abilities really fast had a written excuse. Ninjas are like 1-5% who survived trianing of their village who obtained superhuman abilities and already use tao subconsciously, so it was easy for them to adapt to using it conciously. As for the blind guy, yeah he's blind and learned it that way, and only Sagari is the odd one out being able to adapt to tao very quickly in terms of feeling it, her sword technique uses tao already without her realizing it.
I still didn't complete the show but i agree people are just spoiled about the animation. I'm planning to complete this , i hope they do the second season well
Not liking animation isn't being spoiled lol. That just sounds like someone who's angry someone didn't like the same thing. It was inconsistent, but good enough (for me) to watch. If they didn't like it, that's fine too. It's their opinion, ppl calling high standards spoiled just seems spoiled/whiny in of itself to me.
@@akira8393 my friend wouldn't shutup on how mappa ruined the anime. He has only seen 3 anime Your name, Ds,JJK. He spends a lot of time in twitter as well so i have to put up with that too
To be fair with the power system it’s implied that people like Gabimaru already had tao techniques relating to his ninja training already having experience with this new force just not knowing it existed until now
I didn't have an issue with the exploration of Tao because the people we saw pick it up quickly were practically superhuman to begin with, so it made sense that they were accidentally tapping into it and most of them were directly told how to get better by a user of it. But I understand people thinking it came too quickly, given power ups in previous anime/manga. That said, I think anime will continue down the road of quick power ups given the attention span of future anime/manga readers.
I do agree pretty much 100% with Charlie minus 1 thing. The way the main characters adapt to the fighting style doesn't feel so rushed to me. They explain that the techniques they use already are lesser forms of the same style they're going up against. And once the realization hits they are able to adapt quite quickly. So it did make sense I'm my eyes. But overall this is a great review of the first season. I also really enjoyed the art style with the flowers and the color.
The anime community is insanely fickle. It drives me insane at times when people within the community basically label 98% of anime as "garbage." I don't understand why people like that are even fans of anime, if they hate so much of it. Regardless, good review Charlie. I agree with you on a lot of the points brought up. I definitely enjoyed the manga more, at least to the point they've animated so far.
Reading the manga as for pacing it was pretty good. The manga did drag quite a bit and went way to depth for some things so the anime cut and sped through some of it. The power system was explained kinda poorly but its suppose to be tough bwcause its about understanding yourself. I think it did a good job to set up more. Animation especially the tensen fight is so good.
For me it wasn’t so much the animation being trash as the inconsistency in quality. Overall it worked fine but some characters looked really weird and wonky at times. Especially when they drew them in side profiles. I thought I was looking at a badly drawn meme sometimes. Took me out off the story. It didn’t do the art in the manga justice as it does in some anime, nor did it improve upon it as in AoT.
I think you really hit the nail on its with it being overhated and people being spoiled. It's not a bad show by any means, it's just underwhelming and paled in comparison to action/adventure/shounen shows in recent years. The animation wasn't bad, the action wasn't bad and the story and world building wasn't bad. Put it up against Attack on Titan or JJK and 99.999% of shows will look bad in comparison.
The reason the power is master quickly is because some of those characters already have a grasp of it, they just don’t know what it was called and they don’t put much thought behind it until they heard about it. Shion, gabimaru, and maybe sagiri are prime examples of it.
I never go into shows with high expectations, and because of that I can still enjoy “hyped” anime like this one. I really enjoyed this show for what it was. It wasn’t a masterpiece, but it wasn’t trash either. A solid 8 out of 10. Heck I didn’t even have issues with the pacing. The show felt fast paced and the speed at which characters were dying definitely added the sense that no one is safe. Except for maybe the main duo. One thing I will say is that I am NEVER going to remember character names in this show! That’s the one issue I have with it’s speed. If they aren’t Gabimaru, their name is not sticking in my brain.
Yeah I disagree with the pacing, unless the argument is that characters that are going to be massively important later down the line shouldn’t get screen time. The two brothers have about 1.5 episodes to them all themselves and add really nothing to the story, but they are obviously going to be massive characters in the upcoming season. They needed to be fully introduced and fleshed out.
It's not on Demon Slayer level animation but I still loved it and the lack of refinement doesn't detract from it at all. Charlie still needs to Moist Meter Bleach TYBW.
@@rabiddoge833 Well he needs to. It's ba! The series has evolved to a whole nother level. Anyone who liked all the previous Bleach eps will love the improvements they've made in TYBW.
I was looking for a review like this. It articulates what my thoughts have been on this show: straightforward yet a bit mysterious, fast yet a bit slow sometimes, amazing yet lukewarm at some moments.
I read hells paradise about 2 to 3 years ago and when it got announced around the time I finished reading it and now that we’ve finally have the anime I just don’t want to watch not because I think it’ll be bad in anyway but it just had such a strong connection and many incredible memories it just scares me to see it “re-enacted” not how I envisioned my own pacing with the series.
I remember recently I saw people complaining about the animation, which confused me a lot. Thought it looked amazing. This really needed to be a two cour season, it didn't really have a satisfying ending point like Chainsaw Man
fr lol i’ve learned to appreciate weirdly styled anime and jus realizing every anime isn’t going to be animated or drawn the same. it grows on u over time or u jus realize ur too old to not wanna try new things
The character death Charlie mentioned is supposed to be felt later on anyway so that was intentional.Also,in the manga the only low in the story is the final fight and 1-2 moments before that so i would definitely not call it overhyped.
Very Solid Breakdown, I'd say the animation is pretty decent and its just that we've been spoiled, through series like demon slayer, tybw, jujutsu kaisen, chainsaw man etc all such high level animation that when you lower it from the peak of the peak people say its ass. The Pacing is my main problem with the season tho, in the manga it is extremely well paced with good explanations of everything but not too much, it feels way more natural even more than other manga to anime comparisons, the anime was condensing roughly 4 chapters per episode, which is so fast for this type of show which requires a bit more explanation, the manga is probably top 5 shonen oat for me so it is a bit sad seeing the pacing degraded by that much. Really wish they lengthened it to 24 episodes that was they didnt condense literally 64 chapters into 13 episodes Also I forgot to mention that the animation despite being decent will most likely be far better in season 2 and was lowered in quality from normal standard mainly due to producing jjk season 2 at the same time, along with other series, but jjk was the main factor, so if you did hate the animation but like the story season 2 will likely have better animation
My biggest critique was they had back to back episodes with HUGE exposition dumps on the lore to pretty much explain everything. And it was literally an information overload because going forward, we had to just digest everything and apply that to all the stuff that was upcoming.
Finally, jesus decides to step up for this anime, i personally love the series, im so excited for the series and finished the manga in a mere 3 days, i fall in love with the characters both with their stories and their motivations, and i like how they end it, i do hope they deliver some spinoffs to the anime, since it is a really short series, hells paradise universe itself is a good world to explore, i hope the author can dig deeper to this, yes thats all from me
I actually don’t mind the pacing that much, it makes sense too considering the manga is only around like 130 chapters. For comparison, Demon Slayer is a little over 200 chapters. JJK is currently in the 220s and still ongoing while something like Bleach has around 700 chapters.
6:44 YES. My number one complaint of the show. It ends so abruptdly and anticlimatically that me and my sister spent to whole next week thinking the next episode will drop. We literally had no fucking idea that the season was over
I’m really hoping they nail season 2 cus that’s when we get a huge high-staked battle arc with multiple factors affecting the mission and the main cast all at once
I don’t care what anybody says, or me the animation was acceptable and for me this was different, I mean sending off criminals to a unknown mythical island, where they have to retrieve a elixir to be not killed for what they’ve done, in which results in goals to what they are living for.
I really think the anime did a disservice to the manga, there was something so special about the art that made it so special and captivating when you read Hells Paradise, and the way they choreographed the fights it just isn’t captured in the anime, it takes the manga material from like a nine out of 10 to a seven out of 10, I just really wish they could give it the chainsaw man/jujutsu Kaisen treatment, because in my opinion, it deserves it so much
I agree with you! I mean the animation was fine overall, but it was really inconsistent in its quality. Sometimes the characters looked unbelievable bad, and it saddens me when the original artwork was so good.
Yeah I can't say I didn't enjoy it but pacing and story telling killed what I imagine the climactic moments should have been, and so by the end of the season it was just another cool anime, but I havent thought about it much since. Im excited for more heavenly delusion though
The reason I shit on it for the animation is PRECISELY because it was Mappa that animated the show. As you said, we've seen Mappa absolutely smash it out of the park with amazing animation, and CSM has one of the most cinematically beautiful adaptations I've ever seen, which is why it's THAT much more grating to see them blatantly care less about Hell's Paradise. If one of the random seasonal isekai had animation like Hell's Paradise, I would be praising it to the high heavens for godly animation. But this was HELL'S PARADISE, a manga often compared with the likes of JJK and CSM, even animated by the same studio! There is absolutely no justifiable reason for it to NOT be on the same level as JJK and CSM, apart from Mappa taking on an adaptation they weren't willing or capable of adapting properly. That's why I shit on it, because MAPPA obviously took the job of animating it only as an easy cash grab, and not because they actually wanted to.
I thought the ending was abrupt as well. Though, I’m unbothered because knowing there’s more makes me think it was always meant to be 24-26 episodes and maybe was a split cour. 2 seasons must’ve been green-lit around the same time. I guess one where someone insists labeling s1 and s2. I’m not sure how these get determined. I don’t mind where it leaves off at the moment. I loved everything about it!
if anything they are saving budget for all the crazy shit at the end. the end to hells paradise will most likely be top tier animation because of all the shit going on
you should do lesser moist meters on this channel for stuff thats old and mainly untalked about. stuff that you just stumbled across and want to share your thoughts on. or alternatively, you could use the penguinz0 channel to do your main moist meters and do the usual no spoilers and have this channels moist meters be only on the spoiler stuff you left out of the other because theres a lot of stuff in movies that are major spoilers that i want to hear your thoughts on. much love charlie! i listen to your stuff and now tuv's at work every day as like a podcast and of course the podcast itself!
Bro the ending for hells paradise is one of the best, it’s undefeated. I loved the manga. I will bet the seasons past this will be much much better. The story is amazing and the ending is honestly perfect. Charlie is exactly right tho, and I finished hells paradise in like 22, the manga is great the anime isn’t as good at this point, the pace is lacking, but imo the manga is S tier, story and finish. It’s not my top 5 manga but it’s up there, my top 5 is tough but it’s great I read it completely and then reread it, and It was still great. When I’m talking s tier manga I’m talking behind berserk, dead man’s wonderland, and shit like that, it’s great, it’s not in my top 5 but definitely in my top 10. As far as anime goes I can’t see it beating cyber punk regardless how it goes, cyberpunk even with the rushing was a master piece, my favorite anime with nostalgia being cowboy bebop, samurai shamploo, gurren Lagan, etc.
I think people wrote the animation off because the other 2 "dark trio shonen" animes which were animated by mappa were stellar in animation and this one was expected to be on that level but clearly wasn't However I still believe the animation is great and doesnt take away from the season
Its a little rough in the edges but the animation and story is really nice. Cmon Mappa, Season 2 cam be so much fire and I know you guys can pull it off and Charles I love these 2nd channel moist meters
I had really fun with this one, the religious themes and the set-up that basically death-row candidates search for something with their executioners is awesome. Its become almost a trend now to bitch about the animation lol I had no problems with it.
i read the manga, its the exact same, even in master the ''new power'', which also isnt a new power, humans already knew how to use it but they just called it in a different way like ''chakra'' so they just cant use it as well as the tensen. its just a really fast phased manga and anime which in my openion work really well as manga-anime comparison.
i read the manga a good while ago i dont even see what the complaints are. theres this issue with manga readers overly liking a manga and then expecting what they dreamed up in their heads while reading it to be exactly what the anime is like. their all bitching about the pacing but this was the pacing in the manga. it animated around 40 chapters in 13 episodes just like every other seasonal anime. the character of prestige that charlie mentioned you get no more from him in the manga. he just there to be killed. what all these complaints stem from is people really liking the manga because people spin things to fit their own ideas when reading manga and the anime is giving them what actually happens. hells paradise is a good story with some problems just like people will come to find with demon slayer. at no point watching did i ever think the animation was any less then to be expected. they can only animate something well if the manga sets them up for it and they gave it a faithful adaptation. mappa usually doesnt stray from the source material.
outside the pacing the only thing I found irritating was the executioner woman having a mental crisis, resolution, finding force of will, and then going back into the mental crisis for 3 episodes back to back. and to go back to the pacing it made it seem more generic shounen-e especially after that throat munchin scene before sailing to the island. (which made me feel like I missed an episode when we got there at the beginning of the episode)
I agree that some of the common criticisms regarding the animation was overexaggerated for the first few episodes but they are very little excuses for the 2nd half. I think it's very reductive to completely disregard everyone who criticized the poor compositing and off model moments as "delusional". It's great that you can overlook imperfections and it would be elitist and dumb for me to berate you over not noticing imperfections. But you have to realize that some of the criticisms are very valid. I'd recommend searching up "Probably Pretentious"'s animation breakdown on it. He is animator himself and even defended the first few episodes.
Hell's Paradise in my opinion was just fine. I liked the narrative and characters enough to be engaged and the combat to me was really cool. I'm detached from any sort of community that may talk about the anime and didn't even know animation was a complaint and I ended up reading the manga because episodes just weren't coming out fast enough (not that it was terribly long I just get through these sort of things fast.). I would very much give it a solid 7/10. Certainly better than another itsekai harem.
Not my favorite anime last season but it was still pretty decent. Heavenly delusion is a great watch for casuals and weebs. Definitely one of my favorites from last season.
I finished ep 3 and don't really get the hype about that anime, the entire 'heaven' thing I couldn't give less of a shit about... I know they eventually get linked but I just don't find any of the characters inside interesting at all. I'm not sure how much the series changes after ep 3 but so far its like a 6/10 for me. I'll keep watching to give it a fair chance but I don't have high hopes.
@@iforgot383 Thing is, when it first came out, it flew under the radar of the list of anime to be hyped for. I wouldn't call this a hype anime either. It's more of a sit back and enjoy this eerily beautiful world unfold. Each episode gives you a new piece of the world to put together. The heaven thing is a means to and end. I can say the same about the hype around the chainsaw man anime but I do recongize it's well animated and has potential to be great.
@@Soyuhhh You know I think this is 100x better than chainsaw man mainly because of how much I hate chainsaw man. This at least is interesting and has good characters , chainsaw man has no redeeming qualities for the shitty characters they have in that anime. Makima and denji are some of the most annoying hard to watch characters in anime ever and they ruined the show for me. Kind of an unrelated rant but yeah its one of my most hated overhyped anime ever. I'll keep watching heavenly delusion mainly for the 2 main characters which I do like a lot. I think the problem that I've had is that I started the show with my expectations set way too high because of all the comments singing its praise everywhere I go and my friend telling me it was amazing.
