More Prop More Performance // Longer Rippin // iFlight Baby Nazgul Nano 73mm 

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Less than 3 minutes definitely is a dealbreaker for me

Sub 3:00 isn't a deal breaker for me if it's just a really awesome form factor and I can bash it outside like the 63mm. But, I will say that after owning one, I'm still wanting to buy the moblite7 for long flight indoors (less bashing) and firefly nano baby for outdoors. I just try new tricks and fly over concrete with the baby naz so I know I'm not going to break it while learning new maneuvers or getting sketchy. They both have their place in my heart haha but you just cant beat the "bashability" of the baby nazgul frames. They're tanks! I definitely wouldn't have learned some of these tricks or gained the confidence to try some of these gaps if it wasnt for these insanely sturdy frames. Love them!

I do think my I tend to do more flippy floppies when the quad isn't as outright fast. And as quads get better and my flight skills increase (slowly) I see opportunities to fix what might be a sloppy turn or something into a flip/roll transition.

trip was good. Nice to get away and spend time just hanging together.

@@NickBurnsFPV absolutely! Glad you guys were able to get some quality time together. One of the most important and fulfilling things in this world!

There is a pretty big difference in size of these verses a traditional 3inch toothpick. Much greater margin for error when flying around a playground or tight spaces...as you say.

We could probably clip the prop protection off a 75mm whoop and screw it onto the bottom of each motor. Could be less time and less weight.

Yeah, wish i had one of those.

I keep working on getting some 2s traction on these lil guys.

@@NickBurnsFPVkeep at it nick 👍

@@scu-dub Oh I will, we need a 2s comeback. There is so much to explore in the 2s micro arena!!

@@NickBurnsFPV Definitely Nick! And please push for BT2 or xt30 lol those rolled ph2s should just be discontinued lol😁✌

Prop guards are a nice option, one 1s they need to be super light or it’s gonna kill the flight time. Today’s plastics are far better than those we had even a year ago. Iterations 😁

I fly raceband 8 which is above wifi frequency, and I have found sitting at the a the table gets me the best reception.

@@NickBurnsFPV I've been flying the same channel for years (5752) but have been seeing some interference recently so I'll give that a try!

@@ghall05 yea, won't hurt to try a different channel.

we can likely reduce with a soldering iron and strategic melting of the printed mount. But a secondary mount would be nice to have included.

I would go 73mm with nitro nectar gold batteries

We could mount on top. We have to relocate both antenna, much like they did on the 63mm version, then use small straps or rubber bands. Maybe some thin battery mat might be good to, but not much as its little and more weight is not going to help performance or flight time :)

@@NickBurnsFPV sounds good. I may keep it stock honestly. Thanks Nick

The flywoo aio does have a more powerful vtx which is likely the #1 complaint on the baby nazgul.

The 73mm Nazgûl has more performance than the nano baby. It’s what I think would be more fitting. Unless flight time is the most important

@@NickBurnsFPV awesome, thanks! Do you think the reduced range of the D8 receiver would be anything to worry about on this small of a quad vs the ELRS on the firefly?

@@sethpark777 the range is an issue for some. If you think you will want to fly very far, or behind large obstructions and elrs rx is far better. But also be sure your radio can bind to d8. Newer frsky radios do not have the ability to bind in d8, frsky firmware update about a year ago killed d8. If you have a mulitmodule based radio you will be fine. i can circle my house (outside) on d8 aio receivers.

Frame, motors and props are all different.

only changes are those needed to have the switches set for aux channels and the radio protocol used for binding to this type of receiver.

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks!

No I would go mobula7 elrs. I generally don’t fly inside without prop protection

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks. Which one would u say is more fun to fly in general?

@@nerassurdo If we compare outside only, its somewhat close. The mobula 7 1s is likely to have longer flights, but be more troublesome to fly in wind. The mobula 7 also has a much stronger vtx, so I goggle connection should be better with a cleaner image.

Here in the US we can get them at many shops, pyrodrone newbeedrone etc. I am not sure why they are so hard to get in Aus, surely it must be a shipping restriction?

@@NickBurnsFPV Yes its shipping as banggood wont send any battery's and aliexpress will send them but its a 3 month wait so you more than likely wouldnt get them, sub250 fpv used to have heaps but since the covid hit they haven't had gnbs in well over 1 & 1/2 years so the long wait continues but still sux lol.👍🛸

They will still perform well, the extra kv will have an impact on the low throttle response and the flight time will decrease some from the 17000kv.

@@NickBurnsFPV sweet! Maybe I'll just buy the frame, props, and motors then! Then I'll have this build for less money haha. Same build for around 50-60 bucks! I'm pretty excited that they made the larger frame for this! I was just telling my gf the other day that I really wish it could fit 40mm props on it. "Ask and you shall receive"! Lolol

Probably the firefly fr.

do you plan to fly inside or outside only. If inside only or inside and outside the mobula6, if outside only the flywoo

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks 👍 I would be flying both indoor and out

@@scu-dub oh that's fairly unique. I presume in the indoor space would be large and not a home as without prop protection the smallest of quads have the potential to damage items in a traditional home.

I wouldn’t remove it unless there is a pad/jumper to disable the internal receiver. My concern is if the internal Rx continues to be powered without the antenna the heat could damage another component. Not all of these boards have the ability to disable the internal receiver. Happymodel started putting a solder jumper to disconnect the internal vtx. I could be worried about nothing, I have not run an AIO without the antennas and not damage anything 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@NickBurnsFPV Thanks for the quick reply and help. Makes perfect sense. I think I will leave it on. No sense possibly destroying a new quad.

@@MrIndyjonescj I would as well. The weight can't be more than say .25gram

The cetus pro remote is essentially the betafpv lite 2 radio which does bind with d8 receivers such as those in the baby nazgul.

When you gonna get that diatone bck out and wake up the neighborhood ? Lol

@@Editer38738 lol, not to likely. I have kept the peace so far.

I thought it was the opposite. bi blades emit more noise. More blades less blade to blade disturbance.

@@NickBurnsFPV and lower RPM for the same thrust!

Interesting. I may have been thinking of tip turbulence noise. And given fewer tips…

indeed. I wonder what the current limits are

If you get osd but no image, that is a broken camera. If there is not osd or image then that is a broken vtx. We can try bigger batteries but there is a weight at which the flight time starts to go down.

@@NickBurnsFPV so the osd should still work in the goggles if camera busted. Thanks I didn't know that I better check as banggood already sending a new runcam atom.

I haven't got any picture and can't find a signal in 2 pairs of goggles. So can't see if it's the vtx or camera. I'll know once the camera arrives otherwise a new vtx too. Gutted I've only had it a few days I'm dying to rip it properly in the goggles line of sight gets boring lol. Thanks for getting back to me bro. Love your channel and your flying.

Still got my crux 3 rippin though. 2s 450mah works well on the crux n it's such a smooth nippy quad. Way faster than I'm used too.

I can't say, do a google search for it and see what the shopping section shows.

@@NickBurnsFPV ok thnx Nick!!

pinch the bell from the bottom through the frame with one hand, and twist and pull the prop from the top with the other hand.

@@NickBurnsFPV You must have strong fingers haha! I literally pulled the shaft right out and still couldn’t get the prop off. These gemfan boys are tough.

@@Shauny_D twist and pull with some tension no hulk hands :) focus on the twist and only tension as the pulling.

Here is the diff from mine. # version # Betaflight / IFLIGHTF411RX (IFRCF4RX) 4.2.8 Jun 12 2021 / 10:10:32 () MSP API: 1.43 # start the command batch batch start board_name IFLIGHTF411RX manufacturer_id IFRC # name: Baby Nazgul 73 # feature feature -TELEMETRY # beacon beacon RX_LOST beacon RX_SET # serial serial 0 2048 115200 57600 0 115200 serial 1 64 115200 57600 0 115200 # aux aux 0 0 0 1700 2100 0 0 aux 1 1 1 900 1175 0 0 aux 2 13 2 1300 1700 0 0 aux 3 35 2 1700 2100 0 0 # vtxtable vtxtable bands 5 vtxtable channels 8 vtxtable band 1 BOSCAM_A A FACTORY 5865 5845 5825 5805 5785 5765 5745 5725 vtxtable band 2 BOSCAM_B B FACTORY 5733 5752 5771 5790 5809 5828 5847 5866 vtxtable band 3 BOSCAM_E E FACTORY 5705 5685 5665 0 5885 5905 0 0 vtxtable band 4 FATSHARK F FACTORY 5740 5760 5780 5800 5820 5840 5860 5880 vtxtable band 5 RACEBAND R FACTORY 5658 5695 5732 5769 5806 5843 5880 5917 vtxtable powerlevels 2 vtxtable powervalues 0 1 vtxtable powerlabels 25 50 # master set dyn_notch_width_percent = 0 set dyn_notch_q = 250 set dyn_notch_min_hz = 200 set dyn_notch_max_hz = 800 set acc_calibration = -62,40,191,1 set baro_hardware = NONE set min_check = 1000 set max_check = 2000 set serialrx_provider = SBUS set rx_spi_protocol = FRSKY_D set blackbox_p_ratio = 0 set blackbox_device = NONE set dshot_idle_value = 1000 set dshot_bidir = ON set motor_pwm_protocol = DSHOT300 set motor_poles = 12 set vbat_max_cell_voltage = 437 set vbat_min_cell_voltage = 310 set vbat_warning_cell_voltage = 330 set ibata_scale = 400 set yaw_motors_reversed = ON set small_angle = 180 set thrust_linear = 30 set osd_rssi_pos = 2074 set osd_link_quality_pos = 311 set osd_rssi_dbm_pos = 299 set osd_tim_2_pos = 2455 set osd_flymode_pos = 2425 set osd_throttle_pos = 2049 set osd_vtx_channel_pos = 2100 set osd_current_pos = 2440 set osd_mah_drawn_pos = 2448 set osd_craft_name_pos = 2056 set osd_warnings_pos = 14634 set osd_avg_cell_voltage_pos = 2433 set osd_disarmed_pos = 2283 set vtx_band = 5 set vtx_channel = 8 set vtx_power = 2 set vtx_freq = 5917 set frsky_spi_tx_id = 162,218 set frsky_spi_offset = -58 set frsky_spi_bind_hop_data = 0,30,60,91,120,150,180,210,5,35,65,95,125,155,185,215,10,40,70,100,130,160,190,221,15,45,75,105,135,165,195,225,20,50,80,110,140,170,200,230,25,55,85,115,145,175,205,0,0,0 set name = Baby Nazgul 73 profile 0 # profile 0 set dyn_lpf_dterm_min_hz = 91 set dyn_lpf_dterm_max_hz = 221 set dterm_lowpass2_hz = 195 set anti_gravity_gain = 4000 set feedforward_transition = 20 set iterm_relax_cutoff = 10 set yaw_lowpass_hz = 100 set throttle_boost = 15 set p_pitch = 94 set i_pitch = 108 set d_pitch = 65 set f_pitch = 137 set p_roll = 85 set i_roll = 102 set d_roll = 60 set f_roll = 130 set p_yaw = 70 set i_yaw = 108 set f_yaw = 130 set d_min_roll = 42 set d_min_pitch = 46 set d_min_boost_gain = 40 set d_min_advance = 30 rateprofile 0 # rateprofile 0 set thr_mid = 100 set thr_expo = 55 set roll_rc_rate = 120 set pitch_rc_rate = 120 set yaw_rc_rate = 130 set roll_srate = 75 set pitch_srate = 75 set yaw_srate = 80 set tpa_rate = 60

@@NickBurnsFPV perfect! My original diff only had a few lines. Drone works beautifully now! The dump was also missing from iflights google drive. After I reached out to them they added the files to their drive. Happy flying and thanks for the awesome reviews!

@@jasonbaker7006 Great. Thanks for letting me know, appreciate that. yes, I don't know why their repository takes time after the product launch or someone has to ask for it to trigger them to post it.

I suspect the kv of the motors is to high for 2s :(

@@NickBurnsFPV 🤣 also motor swap then ;)

I saw that the 73mm has bottom mounted battery holder 😏 so i made a bottomholder for the 63mm. Still a bit in progress and have to fly with the prototype

This is quad has more performance, but a weaker vtx. Those are the primary differences we have to weigh.

@@NickBurnsFPV Which would you say has a better camera? Also is there any other drones in this size or maybe a little larger that you'd recommend? Btw I just found your channel a couple days ago and I love the content. Keep it up!

@@bread12678 I think the image is better with the runcam atom in the baby nazgul. The flywoo nano has the runcam nano 3 with v2 or v3 lens, which has a softer image but a wider fov. I like a super wide fov as it makes it feel like we going faster :) But still the atom camera is likely largely considered better.

We need a radio, and goggles, and batteries.

It does not have adjustable camera angle.

Top plate could be removed, likely need a canopy to mount camera and protect the aio.

the top plate in CF is obscenely light as well...i know every little bit counts but i think it's less than a gram (i could be wrong)

We do need to see more motor manufacturers with 100x and 110x motors for sure.

@@NickBurnsFPV I never was able to figure out the problem with my 1102 9,000kv motors on my mobula7 just climbing at zero throttle. If I ordered some 1102's with a higher kv, wouldn't that make the problem worse since they'd be spinning faster? Some ppl tell me the motors are too big but I've seen multiple builds with 1102 10,000-16000kv and if they dont have that problem. I've tried lowering the pids to around 30-40, tried raising them to 80-90, I've lowered throttle boost all the way down, etc. And it just keeps doing it no matter what. What do you guys think?

@@brianfreland9065 the reason why your drone is climbing up at zero throttle is a high pids, specially because of D noise. more aggressive morors will make it even worse

@@xfOL. I've tried lowering pids and didnt have any luck. On 2s it climbs and on 1s it can barely stay off the ground. So, should I just lower D to zero and then slowly increase it from there?

@@brianfreland9065 It is very very likely the same motor on high kv the issue will get worse. 1102 is my favorite motor size on 2s whoops and super light 2inch quads. As it climbs does it rotate (yaw) uncontrollably?

Easy to imagine.. I did. Now I regret it 😓

@@HarleyAssi Awww sucks dude:-(. Maybe can buy the 73mm frame?!

What are you looking for? The settings are stock on that quad. The only changes are for my rates and the radio switches how I am used to them.

sure

@@manwithgutz sure?? My rates are pitch and roll 1.2 super of .75, yaw is 1.30 and super .8. I arm with the lower right switch, flight mode select with the next switch up, turtle and beeper on the top left switch....on the jumper t-lite.

the nanohawk?

It could be both, hard to tell from here :)

I don't know what that means.

Looking for more performance? Might be worth it to get the 73mm and have spare parts. Not sure the cost is effective to swap motors, frame and props?

@@NickBurnsFPV ones the bottom plate becomes available I will give that try with the 22000kv motors. I have 25000kv mobula6 on a 75mm frame and that works perfectly fine

Yes, sorry my mistake.

Sorry. Still working on them.

The 73mm baby nazgul is the 1s micro drone I like the most for outdoor flight.

mw on vtx is set to max on all flights, on this one its 50mw.

@@NickBurnsFPV thank @Nick

Not sure I understand the question.... On similar sized motors of this size 40mm props are more efficient and provide more thrust than 31mm or 35mm props.

@@NickBurnsFPV Thank you

Its really rare a whoop or prop guarded quad can hold a candle to those without prop guards. Like running with a parachute on :)

I do now see they have an option for crossfire.

lol, yea, not calibrated correctly from the factory

lol.

@@NickBurnsFPV Talking 'bout size: Wasn't there almost twice as much Nick a year ago? You're looking sharp, man! 😎 And as always: Thank you so much for your reviews - Love your style!

@@captainsumtingwong lol, yea maybe not twice as much but certainly a substantial amount more :) Thank you

I do on occassion. I don't think it has made it into any videos :( Generally the quad gets spun around as I go down the slide and it gets sloppy trying to get off the slide and fly on. Ends up not being all that fun to me.

YES. I don't seem to be getting much traction asking for 2s versions. Going to start to look at another custom tks design....maybe. :)

And buy more chargers, too! To charge 'em while flying :) I use two chargers while I'm in the air: one to bring each flown battery up to 3.7v, the other to parallel charge 6+ batts (as they are all at the same storage voltage now)

your right, slip of the tongue there. measurement is clearly 1.5mm :)

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks for the awesome content. Keep it up it 💪🏼

lol, well there has been a number of autonomous larger drones